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On August 23 2013 03:34 openbox1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:20 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:19 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:09 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:07 openbox1 wrote:
bly... never ever underestimate the ability of a foreign player to go full foreigner. lol. He wasn't really far ahead. His all-in didn't do enough damage to justify the investment in units without having a third base behind. ? He had his 3rd base up and running with at least 10 drones. Vs someone who had his warp gate delayed, who had his 3rd cancelled and had to heavily invest in multiple cannons. He then invested in a spire, hydralisk den, no roach warren, and no units beyond a few lings when he decided to go to a 4th base. He then saw the phoenix production and decided to build mutas... 12 of them. Right, you have to give props to Hero for a stellar defence especially since he had no idea until the roaches were upon him, but you can't really say Bly didn't go full foreigner. You see it again and again. Foreigners get a early large lead over a much higher rated Korean and then completely fall apart and play way below their skill level. Seen Bly play and while his micro/macro aren't up to Korean standards, he's still a beastly European player. Can understand since the pressure is obviously immense to close up the game with the early lead but its just sad to see foreigners fall apart especially when you know its well within their abilities to win. No, he started his third as his all-in ended. When HerO had the all-in defended he was on equal bases and only 3 harvesters behind. He had his 3rd base up and running when his lings cancelled the 3rd base for Hero. That was very soon after he ceased the all-in. He had a 40ish to 31 drone lead a few seconds after the all-in was over. Remember seeing the production tab where there were 8-10 drones half-way finished. That's why Incontrol went quiet quick after stating that bly was only ahead by a few drones right after the all-in because he had a crap ton building up to go to his 3rd base that was finishing. Not to say there was no way to lose as Bly quite distinctly proved otherwise, but the lead wasn't minor like what some people are suggesting. Remember, warp gate got delayed a heck because of the dead core midway through the upgrade. He also had lings repeatedly going into the natural (throwing them away vs the 4 cannons) after the all-in and saw the phoenix building ***before*** he built those mutas.
http://www.twitch.tv/sc2l/b/449695890?t=127m17s
Look at the VoD. HerO was never behind after this point. All-in is over, equal bases, 3 workers difference. They were always equal or HerO ahead after the all-in.
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Russian Federation50 Posts
On August 23 2013 03:34 Msr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:32 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow Oh come on, anybody would lose this one. Just counter-cheesy-build. ill offrace terran and hold it get any top 50 gm korean protoss, it is easy to hold if your worker micro is good, you should not lose a single worker
If you are so good, that you can hold it, why arent you a multiple premier tournament champion?
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On August 23 2013 03:37 MaskaGodlike wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:34 Msr wrote:On August 23 2013 03:32 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow Oh come on, anybody would lose this one. Just counter-cheesy-build. ill offrace terran and hold it get any top 50 gm korean protoss, it is easy to hold if your worker micro is good, you should not lose a single worker If you are so good, that you can hold it, why arent you a multiple premier tournament champion?
my worker control is far superior to most pros, however their macro and multitasking are leagues ahead of me. 10-12 minute mark is where top terrans really outshine others in my opinion.
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On August 23 2013 03:35 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:34 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:20 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:19 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:09 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:07 openbox1 wrote:
bly... never ever underestimate the ability of a foreign player to go full foreigner. lol. He wasn't really far ahead. His all-in didn't do enough damage to justify the investment in units without having a third base behind. ? He had his 3rd base up and running with at least 10 drones. Vs someone who had his warp gate delayed, who had his 3rd cancelled and had to heavily invest in multiple cannons. He then invested in a spire, hydralisk den, no roach warren, and no units beyond a few lings when he decided to go to a 4th base. He then saw the phoenix production and decided to build mutas... 12 of them. Right, you have to give props to Hero for a stellar defence especially since he had no idea until the roaches were upon him, but you can't really say Bly didn't go full foreigner. You see it again and again. Foreigners get a early large lead over a much higher rated Korean and then completely fall apart and play way below their skill level. Seen Bly play and while his micro/macro aren't up to Korean standards, he's still a beastly European player. Can understand since the pressure is obviously immense to close up the game with the early lead but its just sad to see foreigners fall apart especially when you know its well within their abilities to win. No, he started his third as his all-in ended. When HerO had the all-in defended he was on equal bases and only 3 harvesters behind. He had his 3rd base up and running when his lings cancelled the 3rd base for Hero. That was very soon after he ceased the all-in. He had a 40ish to 31 drone lead a few seconds after the all-in was over. Remember seeing the production tab where there were 8-10 drones half-way finished. That's why Incontrol went quiet quick after stating that bly was only ahead by a few drones right after the all-in because he had a crap ton building up to go to his 3rd base that was finishing. Not to say there was no way to lose as Bly quite distinctly proved otherwise, but the lead wasn't minor like what some people are suggesting. Remember, warp gate got delayed a heck because of the dead core midway through the upgrade. He also had lings repeatedly going into the natural (throwing them away vs the 4 cannons) after the all-in and saw the phoenix building ***before*** he built those mutas. http://www.twitch.tv/sc2l/b/449695890?t=127m17sLook at the VoD. HerO was never behind after this point. All-in is over, equal bases, 3 workers difference. They were always equal or HerO ahead after the all-in.
Oh wow, thanks for the link. That's a pretty quick one.
Let me take a look. Its taking forever to load because its HD and twitch replays take forever to stream or even buffer. I was pretty sure he had a huge lead, but if I'm wrong, I'll apologize then for running off my mouth. Should be pretty clear from the replay one way or another.
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On August 23 2013 03:40 Msr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:37 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:34 Msr wrote:On August 23 2013 03:32 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow Oh come on, anybody would lose this one. Just counter-cheesy-build. ill offrace terran and hold it get any top 50 gm korean protoss, it is easy to hold if your worker micro is good, you should not lose a single worker If you are so good, that you can hold it, why arent you a multiple premier tournament champion? my worker control is far superior to most pros, however their macro and multitasking are leagues ahead of me. 10-12 minute mark is where top terrans really outshine others in my opinion.
touch modest aren't cha. 
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Russian Federation50 Posts
On August 23 2013 03:40 Msr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:37 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:34 Msr wrote:On August 23 2013 03:32 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow Oh come on, anybody would lose this one. Just counter-cheesy-build. ill offrace terran and hold it get any top 50 gm korean protoss, it is easy to hold if your worker micro is good, you should not lose a single worker If you are so good, that you can hold it, why arent you a multiple premier tournament champion? my worker control is far superior to most pros, however their macro and multitasking are leagues ahead of me. 10-12 minute mark is where top terrans really outshine others in my opinion.
What is that "worker control", some kind of important stuff? Its all about micro, and i dont believe that you have a better micro that MMA or any other korean pro.
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Shouldnt Liquid be penalized by using Taeja as his 6th-player all the time? I mean what if a Liquid Player quits the team next week, should they be allowed to use Taeja 3 times?
I think the tournament organizer sshould define some proper rules about this.
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On August 23 2013 03:40 Msr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:37 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:34 Msr wrote:On August 23 2013 03:32 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow Oh come on, anybody would lose this one. Just counter-cheesy-build. ill offrace terran and hold it get any top 50 gm korean protoss, it is easy to hold if your worker micro is good, you should not lose a single worker If you are so good, that you can hold it, why arent you a multiple premier tournament champion? my worker control is far superior to most pros, however their macro and multitasking are leagues ahead of me. 10-12 minute mark is where top terrans really outshine others in my opinion.
Maybe you should go to the WCS finals and offer some coaching sessions to the players, some Zergs ( and Rain) would love to not loose to Marus 2 rax
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On August 23 2013 03:35 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:34 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:20 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:19 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:09 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:07 openbox1 wrote:
bly... never ever underestimate the ability of a foreign player to go full foreigner. lol. He wasn't really far ahead. His all-in didn't do enough damage to justify the investment in units without having a third base behind. ? He had his 3rd base up and running with at least 10 drones. Vs someone who had his warp gate delayed, who had his 3rd cancelled and had to heavily invest in multiple cannons. He then invested in a spire, hydralisk den, no roach warren, and no units beyond a few lings when he decided to go to a 4th base. He then saw the phoenix production and decided to build mutas... 12 of them. Right, you have to give props to Hero for a stellar defence especially since he had no idea until the roaches were upon him, but you can't really say Bly didn't go full foreigner. You see it again and again. Foreigners get a early large lead over a much higher rated Korean and then completely fall apart and play way below their skill level. Seen Bly play and while his micro/macro aren't up to Korean standards, he's still a beastly European player. Can understand since the pressure is obviously immense to close up the game with the early lead but its just sad to see foreigners fall apart especially when you know its well within their abilities to win. No, he started his third as his all-in ended. When HerO had the all-in defended he was on equal bases and only 3 harvesters behind. He had his 3rd base up and running when his lings cancelled the 3rd base for Hero. That was very soon after he ceased the all-in. He had a 40ish to 31 drone lead a few seconds after the all-in was over. Remember seeing the production tab where there were 8-10 drones half-way finished. That's why Incontrol went quiet quick after stating that bly was only ahead by a few drones right after the all-in because he had a crap ton building up to go to his 3rd base that was finishing. Not to say there was no way to lose as Bly quite distinctly proved otherwise, but the lead wasn't minor like what some people are suggesting. Remember, warp gate got delayed a heck because of the dead core midway through the upgrade. He also had lings repeatedly going into the natural (throwing them away vs the 4 cannons) after the all-in and saw the phoenix building ***before*** he built those mutas. http://www.twitch.tv/sc2l/b/449695890?t=127m17sLook at the VoD. HerO was never behind after this point. All-in is over, equal bases, 3 workers difference. They were always equal or HerO ahead after the all-in.
2h 7 min 49 sec, last of the lings and roaches dead.
Hero down about 12 harvesters
30 to 42 of Bly's (2 more of Hero's just about ready to pop in next 3-4s cutting lead down to 10)
Income 800 (protoss) to 1200 (zerg)
3rd 1/3 of the way done for zerg.
Warp Gate not done.
Hero then builds a 3rd that gets cancelled.
Are you honestly saying that Hero was never behind at this point?
**oops edited time to 2h 7min 49sec, not 27min**
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On August 23 2013 03:44 insanet wrote:
Shouldnt Liquid be penalized by using Taeja as his 6th-player all the time? I mean what if a Liquid Player quits the team next week, should they be allowed to use Taeja 3 times?
They are just following the rules, you can use one player twice during the first six matches but have to use one for the seventh that has only played one game in the series. And I don't quite get you second question, why should they be allowed to use TaeJa 3 times?
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On August 23 2013 03:44 insanet wrote:
Shouldnt Liquid be penalized by using Taeja as his 6th-player all the time? I mean what if a Liquid Player quits the team next week, should they be allowed to use Taeja 3 times?
In their 6 matches, they used TaeJa twice in only two of their matches (against EG and Acer). Also they only used HerO twice in two matches (against mouz and Axiom). The other two matches they used 6 different players (against ROOT and Na'Vi). So I think what you said is BS tbh
On August 23 2013 03:47 openbox1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:35 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:34 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:20 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:19 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:09 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:07 openbox1 wrote:
bly... never ever underestimate the ability of a foreign player to go full foreigner. lol. He wasn't really far ahead. His all-in didn't do enough damage to justify the investment in units without having a third base behind. ? He had his 3rd base up and running with at least 10 drones. Vs someone who had his warp gate delayed, who had his 3rd cancelled and had to heavily invest in multiple cannons. He then invested in a spire, hydralisk den, no roach warren, and no units beyond a few lings when he decided to go to a 4th base. He then saw the phoenix production and decided to build mutas... 12 of them. Right, you have to give props to Hero for a stellar defence especially since he had no idea until the roaches were upon him, but you can't really say Bly didn't go full foreigner. You see it again and again. Foreigners get a early large lead over a much higher rated Korean and then completely fall apart and play way below their skill level. Seen Bly play and while his micro/macro aren't up to Korean standards, he's still a beastly European player. Can understand since the pressure is obviously immense to close up the game with the early lead but its just sad to see foreigners fall apart especially when you know its well within their abilities to win. No, he started his third as his all-in ended. When HerO had the all-in defended he was on equal bases and only 3 harvesters behind. He had his 3rd base up and running when his lings cancelled the 3rd base for Hero. That was very soon after he ceased the all-in. He had a 40ish to 31 drone lead a few seconds after the all-in was over. Remember seeing the production tab where there were 8-10 drones half-way finished. That's why Incontrol went quiet quick after stating that bly was only ahead by a few drones right after the all-in because he had a crap ton building up to go to his 3rd base that was finishing. Not to say there was no way to lose as Bly quite distinctly proved otherwise, but the lead wasn't minor like what some people are suggesting. Remember, warp gate got delayed a heck because of the dead core midway through the upgrade. He also had lings repeatedly going into the natural (throwing them away vs the 4 cannons) after the all-in and saw the phoenix building ***before*** he built those mutas. http://www.twitch.tv/sc2l/b/449695890?t=127m17sLook at the VoD. HerO was never behind after this point. All-in is over, equal bases, 3 workers difference. They were always equal or HerO ahead after the all-in. 27 min 49 sec, last of the lings and roaches dead. Hero down about 12 harvesters 30 to 42 of Bly's (2 more of Hero's just about ready to pop in next 3-4s cutting lead down to 10) Income 800 (protoss) to 1200 (zerg) 3rd 1/3 of the way done for zerg. Warp Gate not done. Hero then builds a 3rd that gets cancelled. Are you honestly saying that Hero was never behind at this point?
Well, maybe he was behind at that point, but not very far. With this minor lead by a zerg it doesn't take a miracle from protoss to win tbh, I have seen other protoss beating zergs with a bigger lead than this.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Nobody said it was the biggest comeback but it was a significant lead in an important match.
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Austria24422 Posts
Woop woop HERO IN DA HOUSE
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On August 23 2013 03:54 iNcontroL wrote:
Nobody said it was the biggest comeback but it was a significant lead in an important match.
lol tongue in cheek and all that, but I laughed at your little dig at Nerchio.
By the way, if you're still reading this thread, why do you look like you just stumbled out of bed? Was it pre-recorded at an ungodly hour in California?
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I only caught the Ret and Taeja matches, but all I have to say is: "We need a HerO! We're holding out for a HerO till the end of the night...!"
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Canada16217 Posts
Very nice to see HerO clutch out 2 wins and win it for TL.
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On August 23 2013 03:44 insanet wrote:
Shouldnt Liquid be penalized by using Taeja as his 6th-player all the time? I mean what if a Liquid Player quits the team next week, should they be allowed to use Taeja 3 times?
I think the tournament organizer sshould define some proper rules about this.
are u mentally challenged or really just this stupid... LOL
User was temp banned for this post.
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how come there's no way to change resolution in the VODs? keeps lagging...
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