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It says on Liquipedia this is EG/Acer...I guess that's wrong?
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This one might be close. Bly's a goner though.
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We are casting this match! EG vs acer didn't finish in time!
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So much zerg T_T
Also, weird time today lol
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Time to get a few more games in, then catch this thing ^____^
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Ah man, I was hoping for EG vs Acer 
This should be a good match though.
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On August 23 2013 00:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Time to get a few more games in, then catch this thing ^____^
I hope TL wins 4-0 or 4-1, or Acer wins 4-0 or 4-1 :p
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Of course it starts at 2 am :\. Sorry eg, but I'll have to watch the vods of this one.
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Alright, I played against swarmhosts. That's enough games for today.
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Acer fighting! Zerg power!
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3 ZvZ's in a row! Latest horror movie now in cinemas!
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On August 23 2013 00:56 frontline- wrote:
3 ZvZ's in a row! Latest horror movie now in cinemas!
Well, best horror movie ever must have been Hyun vs Sniper finals. As it has been 7(!) ZvZs in a row as we all know.
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I love InControl so much.
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Can anyone explain the format for me please? Why does Taeja get to play twice? It happened yesterday too.
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On August 23 2013 01:04 invisible.terran wrote:
Can anyone explain the format for me please? Why does Taeja get to play twice? It happened yesterday too.
From their website:
League Format
The format of the league follows a team versus team approach. Within this team versus team setup, seven players go head to head with an opposing seven players with the goal of defeating their singular opponent in a one-vs-one best-of-one match-up. Each team can use one player two times in their head to head match up. However, if a player is used two times, that same player can not be used in an ACE match if such a situation arises. The first team to win four best-of-one matches is declared the match winner.
I think it's because often teams don't have 6 different players available but SC2L still wants the team in the league (for example Axiom) so they make it possible for those teams to participate with that rule
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The ingame UI is to big and clunky cant even see the game.
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Wow what a lucky time to get the evo/hydra den
Both of them had like 5 sec remaining on the upgrades
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hahhahaha nerchio :D:D gratz snute gg
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Nerchio ggs are always the best
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Somehow Nerchio always gets mad playing against Snute. Nice game by Snute.
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Last chance last summer. this is finale's theme song btw
ah also, what did nerchio say?
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As Geoff said, it is nice to see that Nerchio can see the funny side of things. Definitely not Nerchio being annoyed, he never does that.
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On August 23 2013 01:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Last chance last summer. this is finale's theme song btw
ah also, what did nerchio say?
Only "lol". Obviously not followed by a GG.
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This is actually a decent time Mr Incontrol
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On August 23 2013 01:25 paradoxOO9 wrote:
As Geoff said, it is nice to see that Nerchio can see the funny side of things. Definitely not Nerchio being annoyed, he never does that.
Of course it's only that I somehow always see it when he faces Snute. I remember him going on about Snute's roaches forever. 
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On August 23 2013 01:26 CrazyBirdman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 01:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Last chance last summer. this is finale's theme song btw
ah also, what did nerchio say? Only "lol". Obviously not followed by a GG.
Ah I was at least looking for something witty
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On August 23 2013 01:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 01:26 CrazyBirdman wrote:On August 23 2013 01:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Last chance last summer. this is finale's theme song btw
ah also, what did nerchio say? Only "lol". Obviously not followed by a GG. Ah I was at least looking for something witty
It was more of the timing.
Nerchio goes back to try to defend, and then mutas are in his base. He attacks Snute's 3rd, and Snute has more roaches than Nerchio
"lol"
I found it pretty funny, like "wtf how did that just work"
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On August 23 2013 01:31 CrazyBirdman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 01:25 paradoxOO9 wrote:
As Geoff said, it is nice to see that Nerchio can see the funny side of things. Definitely not Nerchio being annoyed, he never does that. Of course it's only that I somehow always see it when he faces Snute. I remember him going on about Snute's roaches forever.
Back when Snute was in EU, man... So much ladder rage...
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Paranoid is such a sleeper Zerg, imo. Instinct says you should write him off but you never really can. TLO however is TLO. Maybe not TLO enough today.
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I go to get a drink, and come back to a base race, anyone able to enlighten me with what happened?
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On August 23 2013 01:50 paradoxOO9 wrote:
I go to get a drink, and come back to a base race, anyone able to enlighten me with what happened?
TLO done goofed.
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On August 23 2013 01:50 paradoxOO9 wrote:
I go to get a drink, and come back to a base race, anyone able to enlighten me with what happened?
Not much really. TLO went around the top loop to hit Paranoids 4th while Paranoid was moving around the bottom side to hit TLOs 3rd. Both players moved out at around the same time and by the time their overlords saw the others army they were already too far out of position to defend the base so they both just attacked.
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Your not doing a good job Incontrol.
+ Show Spoiler +Your doing a great job ! can't look away from that Luke Skywalker haircut, well played sir.
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Ret should have won that one. Should have just defended the third with spores.
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the old trick of attacking before 3-3 Taeja ♥
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That was quite the overextension where MMA was in complete control and could have just sat there >.>
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Listening to InControles solocasting feels pretty unprofessional. And i am saying that as positive as possible because its a nice relief in comparison to other casters that often say things for the sake of saying something smart.
But his cast are just plain fun and really nice to watch.
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On August 23 2013 02:34 USvBleakill wrote:
Listening to InControles solocasting feels pretty unprofessional. And i am saying that as positive as possible because its a nice relief in comparison to other casters that often say things for the sake of saying something smart.
But his cast are just plain fun and really nice to watch.
It feels like forced enthusiasm to me, but it's not the worst casting ever by any means. I just think he's better when duocasting.
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Which server are they plaing on? Because Taejas control was really late..
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Nice one Nerchio.
Aren't they all in Europe since ATC? And if Acer vs EG was so recent they couldn't finish, I'd think these games were pretty recent too.
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Has taeja never faced that particular all in before? He needed more bunkers and his tanks needed to be between the natural and third. Two of his tanks weren't shooting most of the time.
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On August 23 2013 02:50 Ansinjunger wrote:
Nice one Nerchio.
Aren't they all in Europe since ATC? And if Acer vs EG was so recent they couldn't finish, I'd think these games were pretty recent too.
Dunno, I thought Taeja went back to Korea after ATC.. or hes still in germany? Maybe he just messed up his control^^
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yeah, acer should be safe for the top two spot if they win so.... gogo acer!
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On August 23 2013 02:53 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 02:50 Ansinjunger wrote:
Nice one Nerchio.
Aren't they all in Europe since ATC? And if Acer vs EG was so recent they couldn't finish, I'd think these games were pretty recent too. Dunno, I thought Taeja went back to Korea after ATC.. or hes still in germany?
Well, WCS finals start tomorrow. Plus he was on the European ladder the past days and today.
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How the hell did HerO hold that?
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bly really should work on the micro.. :/
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I can understand that he let the lings through, but how can a pro player not scout o.o. Hero even had a probe at the third for a long time. He could have seen the roach all in.
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This... e-- Bl- -- Bu-- What?
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On August 23 2013 03:02 ibo422 wrote:
bly really should work on the micro.. :/
bly is famous for his micro, hero is a very low skilled player who should not have won, honestly sickening
User was temp banned for this post.
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bly... never ever underestimate the ability of a foreign player to go full foreigner. lol.
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Not sure if this is Bly misplaying or HerO brilliance?!?
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On August 23 2013 03:06 Msr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:02 ibo422 wrote:
bly really should work on the micro.. :/ bly is famous for his micro, hero is a very low skilled player who should not have won, honestly sickening
not sure what ur trying to get here..
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On August 23 2013 03:07 openbox1 wrote:
bly... never ever underestimate the ability of a foreign player to go full foreigner. lol.
He wasn't really far ahead. His all-in didn't do enough damage to justify the investment in units without having a third base behind.
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So... Hero's pretty good then.
Though Bly really should not have gone muta, especially after scouting stargate.
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On August 23 2013 03:07 Hunterai wrote:
Not sure if this is Bly misplaying or HerO brilliance?!?
Bly going full foreigner. Hero basically "one a" a foreigner who decided he didn't need any units before going to 4 bases against someone who was basically forced into an all-in.
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On August 23 2013 03:07 Hunterai wrote:
Not sure if this is Bly misplaying or HerO brilliance?!?
I'd say both, Bly made mistakes but ordinary Protoss' would have probably died anyway.
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On August 23 2013 03:10 CrazyBirdman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:07 Hunterai wrote:
Not sure if this is Bly misplaying or HerO brilliance?!? I'd say both, Bly made mistakes but ordinary Protoss' would have probably died anyway.
Yup. The allin could've been managed better, but almost every other protoss dies anyway, given how far away he is from a defense there.
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Can't really blame Bly I think. Any other protoss would have probably lost that game. No idea how Hero does crap like that.
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okay that hero bly game was pretty ridiculous...
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On August 23 2013 03:07 Hunterai wrote:
Not sure if this is Bly misplaying or HerO brilliance?!?
his attack timing on the zerg base was just perfect as well as his decision to go to phoenixes after getting one VR
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On August 23 2013 02:55 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 02:53 BlackCompany wrote:On August 23 2013 02:50 Ansinjunger wrote:
Nice one Nerchio.
Aren't they all in Europe since ATC? And if Acer vs EG was so recent they couldn't finish, I'd think these games were pretty recent too. Dunno, I thought Taeja went back to Korea after ATC.. or hes still in germany? Well, WCS finals start tomorrow. Plus he was on the European ladder the past days and today.
No excuse for a korean losing today 
Great series between these 2 teams. Come on HerO time to close this out.
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I am afraid this will be hard for MMA.
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On August 23 2013 03:15 Musicus wrote:
I am afraid this will be hard for MMA.
Well, he destroyed HerO at ATC finals, so it is not impossible, rather 50-50 split I'd say.
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On August 23 2013 03:16 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:15 Musicus wrote:
I am afraid this will be hard for MMA. Well, he destroyed HerO at ATC finals, so it is not impossible, rather 50-50 split I'd say.
Yeah.. me thinks he needs to step up his pvt. It looks pretty horrible tbh T.T
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On August 23 2013 03:16 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:15 Musicus wrote:
I am afraid this will be hard for MMA. Well, he destroyed HerO at ATC finals, so it is not impossible, rather 50-50 split I'd say.
Where is MMA playing from? Lag may be too high for MMA to repeat the ATC finals
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On August 23 2013 03:18 Hunterai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:16 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:15 Musicus wrote:
I am afraid this will be hard for MMA. Well, he destroyed HerO at ATC finals, so it is not impossible, rather 50-50 split I'd say. Where is MMA playing from? Lag may be too high for MMA to repeat the ATC finals
I guess this was played when they both in Korea or it was played while they were both in Krefeld.
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On August 23 2013 03:09 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:07 openbox1 wrote:
bly... never ever underestimate the ability of a foreign player to go full foreigner. lol. He wasn't really far ahead. His all-in didn't do enough damage to justify the investment in units without having a third base behind.
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He had his 3rd base up and running with at least 10 drones. Vs someone who had his warp gate delayed, who had his 3rd cancelled and had to heavily invest in multiple cannons. He then invested in a spire, hydralisk den, no roach warren, and no units beyond a few lings when he decided to go to a 4th base. He then saw the phoenix production and decided to build mutas... 12 of them.
Right, you have to give props to Hero for a stellar defence especially since he had no idea until the roaches were upon him, but you can't really say Bly didn't go full foreigner.
You see it again and again. Foreigners get a early large lead over a much higher rated Korean and then completely fall apart and play way below their skill level. Seen Bly play and while his micro/macro aren't up to Korean standards, he's still a beastly European player. Can understand since the pressure is obviously immense to close up the game with the early lead but its just sad to see foreigners fall apart especially when you know its well within their abilities to win.
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Proxy gate in ace match.
gotta have a lot of balls
Oh boy cc first
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On August 23 2013 03:19 openbox1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:09 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:07 openbox1 wrote:
bly... never ever underestimate the ability of a foreign player to go full foreigner. lol. He wasn't really far ahead. His all-in didn't do enough damage to justify the investment in units without having a third base behind. ? He had his 3rd base up and running with at least 10 drones. Vs someone who had his warp gate delayed, who had his 3rd cancelled and had to heavily invest in multiple cannons. He then invested in a spire, hydralisk den, no roach warren, and no units beyond a few lings when he decided to go to a 4th base. He then saw the phoenix production and decided to build mutas... 12 of them. Right, you have to give props to Hero for a stellar defence especially since he had no idea until the roaches were upon him, but you can't really say Bly didn't go full foreigner. You see it again and again. Foreigners get a early large lead over a much higher rated Korean and then completely fall apart and play way below their skill level. Seen Bly play and while his micro/macro aren't up to Korean standards, he's still a beastly European player. Can understand since the pressure is obviously immense to close up the game with the early lead but its just sad to see foreigners fall apart especially when you know its well within their abilities to win.
No, he started his third as his all-in ended. When HerO had the all-in defended he was on equal bases and only 3 harvesters behind.
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Well played Hero! TL lost 2 aces won 2 now.
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mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow
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today is definitely not a good day for MMA
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On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow
What a fail and untrue comment.
MMA is on his way to the top again, this was a simple BO loss.
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WHOOOOOOOOOO TL STILL IN IT
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On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow
Your sarcasm is not working very well tbh
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Amazing game from Hero! Great read of his opponent, and wonderful execution. Go TL!
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HerO with the balls play, and it payed off. Grats TL.
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On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow
yeah that game is a great indicator, can only retire after being cheesed...
balls of steel HerO has, gg wp
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Hreo sooo good, it's amazing.
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On August 23 2013 03:27 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow yeah that game is a great indicator, can only retire after being cheesed... balls of steel HerO has, gg wp
build order was not in his favor, but his reaction was beyond pathetic. He lets hic cc scv die, then suicides another scv to the zealot, and then 5 more, and then 5 more.
Back in prime i did many games with mma and his awareness and reactions were top notch, now he just does not have it anymore. It was a good build choice by hero though
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i thought teamliquid never cheeses and only EG cheeses
my mind is blown, is hero being traded to EG or something?
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that was fun.. ty everyone! What a great series! Cya monday!
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On August 23 2013 03:27 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow yeah that game is a great indicator, can only retire after being cheesed... balls of steel HerO has, gg wp
Calling Hero a very low skilled player, stating mma should retire after he gets cheesed tells you he is just another
troll :D
i thought teamliquid never cheeses and only EG cheeses
my mind is blown, is hero being traded to EG or something?
Hero has used a lot of cheeses in both team and individual leagues.
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On August 23 2013 03:28 Msr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:27 Musicus wrote:On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow yeah that game is a great indicator, can only retire after being cheesed... balls of steel HerO has, gg wp build order was not in his favor, but his reaction was beyond pathetic. He lets hic cc scv die, then suicides another scv to the zealot, and then 5 more, and then 5 more. Back in prime i did many games with mma and his awareness and reactions were top notch, now he just does not have it anymore. It was a good build choice by hero though
.... you are just making a fool out of yourself.
He didnt lost 11 SCVs trying to save the cc. he lost about 6 or 7, but what other choice did he have? If he lets the CC die he will loose his only possible advantage. Also, Hero would just walk up the ramp and there would have been no way to get the bunker up at all ( not that it helped this game though)
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On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow
Oh come on, anybody would lose this one. Just counter-cheesy-build.
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On August 23 2013 03:20 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:19 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:09 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:07 openbox1 wrote:
bly... never ever underestimate the ability of a foreign player to go full foreigner. lol. He wasn't really far ahead. His all-in didn't do enough damage to justify the investment in units without having a third base behind. ? He had his 3rd base up and running with at least 10 drones. Vs someone who had his warp gate delayed, who had his 3rd cancelled and had to heavily invest in multiple cannons. He then invested in a spire, hydralisk den, no roach warren, and no units beyond a few lings when he decided to go to a 4th base. He then saw the phoenix production and decided to build mutas... 12 of them. Right, you have to give props to Hero for a stellar defence especially since he had no idea until the roaches were upon him, but you can't really say Bly didn't go full foreigner. You see it again and again. Foreigners get a early large lead over a much higher rated Korean and then completely fall apart and play way below their skill level. Seen Bly play and while his micro/macro aren't up to Korean standards, he's still a beastly European player. Can understand since the pressure is obviously immense to close up the game with the early lead but its just sad to see foreigners fall apart especially when you know its well within their abilities to win. No, he started his third as his all-in ended. When HerO had the all-in defended he was on equal bases and only 3 harvesters behind.
He had his 3rd base up and running when his lings cancelled the 3rd base for Hero. That was very soon after he ceased the all-in.
He had a 40ish to 31 drone lead a few seconds after the all-in was over. Remember seeing the production tab where there were 8-10 drones half-way finished. That's why Incontrol went quiet quick after stating that bly was only ahead by a few drones right after the all-in because he had a crap ton building up to go to his 3rd base that was finishing.
Not to say there was no way to lose as Bly quite distinctly proved otherwise, but the lead wasn't minor like what some people are suggesting. Remember, warp gate got delayed a heck because of the dead core midway through the upgrade. He also had lings repeatedly going into the natural (throwing them away vs the 4 cannons) after the all-in and saw the phoenix building ***before*** he built those mutas.
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On August 23 2013 03:32 MaskaGodlike wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow Oh come on, anybody would lose this one. Just counter-cheesy-build.
ill offrace terran and hold it get any top 50 gm korean protoss, it is easy to hold if your worker micro is good, you should not lose a single worker
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If the calculations are correct, then yes, they should ranked first.
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HerO with the balls of steel yet again. I can't remember how many times he's used risky builds like this in a high-stake game (the game vs JYP in RO24 Code A immediately comes to mind). Grats to Team Liquid
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On August 23 2013 03:34 openbox1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:20 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:19 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:09 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:07 openbox1 wrote:
bly... never ever underestimate the ability of a foreign player to go full foreigner. lol. He wasn't really far ahead. His all-in didn't do enough damage to justify the investment in units without having a third base behind. ? He had his 3rd base up and running with at least 10 drones. Vs someone who had his warp gate delayed, who had his 3rd cancelled and had to heavily invest in multiple cannons. He then invested in a spire, hydralisk den, no roach warren, and no units beyond a few lings when he decided to go to a 4th base. He then saw the phoenix production and decided to build mutas... 12 of them. Right, you have to give props to Hero for a stellar defence especially since he had no idea until the roaches were upon him, but you can't really say Bly didn't go full foreigner. You see it again and again. Foreigners get a early large lead over a much higher rated Korean and then completely fall apart and play way below their skill level. Seen Bly play and while his micro/macro aren't up to Korean standards, he's still a beastly European player. Can understand since the pressure is obviously immense to close up the game with the early lead but its just sad to see foreigners fall apart especially when you know its well within their abilities to win. No, he started his third as his all-in ended. When HerO had the all-in defended he was on equal bases and only 3 harvesters behind. He had his 3rd base up and running when his lings cancelled the 3rd base for Hero. That was very soon after he ceased the all-in. He had a 40ish to 31 drone lead a few seconds after the all-in was over. Remember seeing the production tab where there were 8-10 drones half-way finished. That's why Incontrol went quiet quick after stating that bly was only ahead by a few drones right after the all-in because he had a crap ton building up to go to his 3rd base that was finishing. Not to say there was no way to lose as Bly quite distinctly proved otherwise, but the lead wasn't minor like what some people are suggesting. Remember, warp gate got delayed a heck because of the dead core midway through the upgrade. He also had lings repeatedly going into the natural (throwing them away vs the 4 cannons) after the all-in and saw the phoenix building ***before*** he built those mutas.
http://www.twitch.tv/sc2l/b/449695890?t=127m17s
Look at the VoD. HerO was never behind after this point. All-in is over, equal bases, 3 workers difference. They were always equal or HerO ahead after the all-in.
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On August 23 2013 03:34 Msr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:32 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow Oh come on, anybody would lose this one. Just counter-cheesy-build. ill offrace terran and hold it get any top 50 gm korean protoss, it is easy to hold if your worker micro is good, you should not lose a single worker
If you are so good, that you can hold it, why arent you a multiple premier tournament champion?
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On August 23 2013 03:37 MaskaGodlike wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:34 Msr wrote:On August 23 2013 03:32 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow Oh come on, anybody would lose this one. Just counter-cheesy-build. ill offrace terran and hold it get any top 50 gm korean protoss, it is easy to hold if your worker micro is good, you should not lose a single worker If you are so good, that you can hold it, why arent you a multiple premier tournament champion?
my worker control is far superior to most pros, however their macro and multitasking are leagues ahead of me. 10-12 minute mark is where top terrans really outshine others in my opinion.
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On August 23 2013 03:35 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:34 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:20 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:19 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:09 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:07 openbox1 wrote:
bly... never ever underestimate the ability of a foreign player to go full foreigner. lol. He wasn't really far ahead. His all-in didn't do enough damage to justify the investment in units without having a third base behind. ? He had his 3rd base up and running with at least 10 drones. Vs someone who had his warp gate delayed, who had his 3rd cancelled and had to heavily invest in multiple cannons. He then invested in a spire, hydralisk den, no roach warren, and no units beyond a few lings when he decided to go to a 4th base. He then saw the phoenix production and decided to build mutas... 12 of them. Right, you have to give props to Hero for a stellar defence especially since he had no idea until the roaches were upon him, but you can't really say Bly didn't go full foreigner. You see it again and again. Foreigners get a early large lead over a much higher rated Korean and then completely fall apart and play way below their skill level. Seen Bly play and while his micro/macro aren't up to Korean standards, he's still a beastly European player. Can understand since the pressure is obviously immense to close up the game with the early lead but its just sad to see foreigners fall apart especially when you know its well within their abilities to win. No, he started his third as his all-in ended. When HerO had the all-in defended he was on equal bases and only 3 harvesters behind. He had his 3rd base up and running when his lings cancelled the 3rd base for Hero. That was very soon after he ceased the all-in. He had a 40ish to 31 drone lead a few seconds after the all-in was over. Remember seeing the production tab where there were 8-10 drones half-way finished. That's why Incontrol went quiet quick after stating that bly was only ahead by a few drones right after the all-in because he had a crap ton building up to go to his 3rd base that was finishing. Not to say there was no way to lose as Bly quite distinctly proved otherwise, but the lead wasn't minor like what some people are suggesting. Remember, warp gate got delayed a heck because of the dead core midway through the upgrade. He also had lings repeatedly going into the natural (throwing them away vs the 4 cannons) after the all-in and saw the phoenix building ***before*** he built those mutas. http://www.twitch.tv/sc2l/b/449695890?t=127m17sLook at the VoD. HerO was never behind after this point. All-in is over, equal bases, 3 workers difference. They were always equal or HerO ahead after the all-in.
Oh wow, thanks for the link. That's a pretty quick one.
Let me take a look. Its taking forever to load because its HD and twitch replays take forever to stream or even buffer. I was pretty sure he had a huge lead, but if I'm wrong, I'll apologize then for running off my mouth. Should be pretty clear from the replay one way or another.
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On August 23 2013 03:40 Msr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:37 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:34 Msr wrote:On August 23 2013 03:32 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow Oh come on, anybody would lose this one. Just counter-cheesy-build. ill offrace terran and hold it get any top 50 gm korean protoss, it is easy to hold if your worker micro is good, you should not lose a single worker If you are so good, that you can hold it, why arent you a multiple premier tournament champion? my worker control is far superior to most pros, however their macro and multitasking are leagues ahead of me. 10-12 minute mark is where top terrans really outshine others in my opinion.
touch modest aren't cha.
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Russian Federation50 Posts
On August 23 2013 03:40 Msr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:37 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:34 Msr wrote:On August 23 2013 03:32 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow Oh come on, anybody would lose this one. Just counter-cheesy-build. ill offrace terran and hold it get any top 50 gm korean protoss, it is easy to hold if your worker micro is good, you should not lose a single worker If you are so good, that you can hold it, why arent you a multiple premier tournament champion? my worker control is far superior to most pros, however their macro and multitasking are leagues ahead of me. 10-12 minute mark is where top terrans really outshine others in my opinion.
What is that "worker control", some kind of important stuff? Its all about micro, and i dont believe that you have a better micro that MMA or any other korean pro.
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Shouldnt Liquid be penalized by using Taeja as his 6th-player all the time? I mean what if a Liquid Player quits the team next week, should they be allowed to use Taeja 3 times?
I think the tournament organizer sshould define some proper rules about this.
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On August 23 2013 03:40 Msr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:37 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:34 Msr wrote:On August 23 2013 03:32 MaskaGodlike wrote:On August 23 2013 03:23 Msr wrote:
mma should honestly retire he is not good at this game wow Oh come on, anybody would lose this one. Just counter-cheesy-build. ill offrace terran and hold it get any top 50 gm korean protoss, it is easy to hold if your worker micro is good, you should not lose a single worker If you are so good, that you can hold it, why arent you a multiple premier tournament champion? my worker control is far superior to most pros, however their macro and multitasking are leagues ahead of me. 10-12 minute mark is where top terrans really outshine others in my opinion.
Maybe you should go to the WCS finals and offer some coaching sessions to the players, some Zergs ( and Rain) would love to not loose to Marus 2 rax
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On August 23 2013 03:35 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:34 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:20 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:19 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:09 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:07 openbox1 wrote:
bly... never ever underestimate the ability of a foreign player to go full foreigner. lol. He wasn't really far ahead. His all-in didn't do enough damage to justify the investment in units without having a third base behind. ? He had his 3rd base up and running with at least 10 drones. Vs someone who had his warp gate delayed, who had his 3rd cancelled and had to heavily invest in multiple cannons. He then invested in a spire, hydralisk den, no roach warren, and no units beyond a few lings when he decided to go to a 4th base. He then saw the phoenix production and decided to build mutas... 12 of them. Right, you have to give props to Hero for a stellar defence especially since he had no idea until the roaches were upon him, but you can't really say Bly didn't go full foreigner. You see it again and again. Foreigners get a early large lead over a much higher rated Korean and then completely fall apart and play way below their skill level. Seen Bly play and while his micro/macro aren't up to Korean standards, he's still a beastly European player. Can understand since the pressure is obviously immense to close up the game with the early lead but its just sad to see foreigners fall apart especially when you know its well within their abilities to win. No, he started his third as his all-in ended. When HerO had the all-in defended he was on equal bases and only 3 harvesters behind. He had his 3rd base up and running when his lings cancelled the 3rd base for Hero. That was very soon after he ceased the all-in. He had a 40ish to 31 drone lead a few seconds after the all-in was over. Remember seeing the production tab where there were 8-10 drones half-way finished. That's why Incontrol went quiet quick after stating that bly was only ahead by a few drones right after the all-in because he had a crap ton building up to go to his 3rd base that was finishing. Not to say there was no way to lose as Bly quite distinctly proved otherwise, but the lead wasn't minor like what some people are suggesting. Remember, warp gate got delayed a heck because of the dead core midway through the upgrade. He also had lings repeatedly going into the natural (throwing them away vs the 4 cannons) after the all-in and saw the phoenix building ***before*** he built those mutas. http://www.twitch.tv/sc2l/b/449695890?t=127m17sLook at the VoD. HerO was never behind after this point. All-in is over, equal bases, 3 workers difference. They were always equal or HerO ahead after the all-in.
2h 7 min 49 sec, last of the lings and roaches dead.
Hero down about 12 harvesters
30 to 42 of Bly's (2 more of Hero's just about ready to pop in next 3-4s cutting lead down to 10)
Income 800 (protoss) to 1200 (zerg)
3rd 1/3 of the way done for zerg.
Warp Gate not done.
Hero then builds a 3rd that gets cancelled.
Are you honestly saying that Hero was never behind at this point?
**oops edited time to 2h 7min 49sec, not 27min**
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On August 23 2013 03:44 insanet wrote:
Shouldnt Liquid be penalized by using Taeja as his 6th-player all the time? I mean what if a Liquid Player quits the team next week, should they be allowed to use Taeja 3 times?
They are just following the rules, you can use one player twice during the first six matches but have to use one for the seventh that has only played one game in the series. And I don't quite get you second question, why should they be allowed to use TaeJa 3 times?
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On August 23 2013 03:44 insanet wrote:
Shouldnt Liquid be penalized by using Taeja as his 6th-player all the time? I mean what if a Liquid Player quits the team next week, should they be allowed to use Taeja 3 times?
In their 6 matches, they used TaeJa twice in only two of their matches (against EG and Acer). Also they only used HerO twice in two matches (against mouz and Axiom). The other two matches they used 6 different players (against ROOT and Na'Vi). So I think what you said is BS tbh
On August 23 2013 03:47 openbox1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 03:35 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:34 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:20 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:19 openbox1 wrote:On August 23 2013 03:09 Serinox wrote:On August 23 2013 03:07 openbox1 wrote:
bly... never ever underestimate the ability of a foreign player to go full foreigner. lol. He wasn't really far ahead. His all-in didn't do enough damage to justify the investment in units without having a third base behind. ? He had his 3rd base up and running with at least 10 drones. Vs someone who had his warp gate delayed, who had his 3rd cancelled and had to heavily invest in multiple cannons. He then invested in a spire, hydralisk den, no roach warren, and no units beyond a few lings when he decided to go to a 4th base. He then saw the phoenix production and decided to build mutas... 12 of them. Right, you have to give props to Hero for a stellar defence especially since he had no idea until the roaches were upon him, but you can't really say Bly didn't go full foreigner. You see it again and again. Foreigners get a early large lead over a much higher rated Korean and then completely fall apart and play way below their skill level. Seen Bly play and while his micro/macro aren't up to Korean standards, he's still a beastly European player. Can understand since the pressure is obviously immense to close up the game with the early lead but its just sad to see foreigners fall apart especially when you know its well within their abilities to win. No, he started his third as his all-in ended. When HerO had the all-in defended he was on equal bases and only 3 harvesters behind. He had his 3rd base up and running when his lings cancelled the 3rd base for Hero. That was very soon after he ceased the all-in. He had a 40ish to 31 drone lead a few seconds after the all-in was over. Remember seeing the production tab where there were 8-10 drones half-way finished. That's why Incontrol went quiet quick after stating that bly was only ahead by a few drones right after the all-in because he had a crap ton building up to go to his 3rd base that was finishing. Not to say there was no way to lose as Bly quite distinctly proved otherwise, but the lead wasn't minor like what some people are suggesting. Remember, warp gate got delayed a heck because of the dead core midway through the upgrade. He also had lings repeatedly going into the natural (throwing them away vs the 4 cannons) after the all-in and saw the phoenix building ***before*** he built those mutas. http://www.twitch.tv/sc2l/b/449695890?t=127m17sLook at the VoD. HerO was never behind after this point. All-in is over, equal bases, 3 workers difference. They were always equal or HerO ahead after the all-in. 27 min 49 sec, last of the lings and roaches dead. Hero down about 12 harvesters 30 to 42 of Bly's (2 more of Hero's just about ready to pop in next 3-4s cutting lead down to 10) Income 800 (protoss) to 1200 (zerg) 3rd 1/3 of the way done for zerg. Warp Gate not done. Hero then builds a 3rd that gets cancelled. Are you honestly saying that Hero was never behind at this point?
Well, maybe he was behind at that point, but not very far. With this minor lead by a zerg it doesn't take a miracle from protoss to win tbh, I have seen other protoss beating zergs with a bigger lead than this.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Nobody said it was the biggest comeback but it was a significant lead in an important match.
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Austria24422 Posts
Woop woop HERO IN DA HOUSE
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On August 23 2013 03:54 iNcontroL wrote:
Nobody said it was the biggest comeback but it was a significant lead in an important match.
lol tongue in cheek and all that, but I laughed at your little dig at Nerchio.
By the way, if you're still reading this thread, why do you look like you just stumbled out of bed? Was it pre-recorded at an ungodly hour in California?
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I only caught the Ret and Taeja matches, but all I have to say is: "We need a HerO! We're holding out for a HerO till the end of the night...!"
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Canada16217 Posts
Very nice to see HerO clutch out 2 wins and win it for TL.
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On August 23 2013 03:44 insanet wrote:
Shouldnt Liquid be penalized by using Taeja as his 6th-player all the time? I mean what if a Liquid Player quits the team next week, should they be allowed to use Taeja 3 times?
I think the tournament organizer sshould define some proper rules about this.
are u mentally challenged or really just this stupid... LOL
User was temp banned for this post.
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how come there's no way to change resolution in the VODs? keeps lagging...
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loosing to Taeja and Hero is not a shame..
And lol @ the guy talking about worker micro.. if you only have worker micro, you wouldn't last 10 minutes in a game against a GM korean
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On August 23 2013 03:44 insanet wrote:
Shouldnt Liquid be penalized by using Taeja as his 6th-player all the time? I mean what if a Liquid Player quits the team next week, should they be allowed to use Taeja 3 times?
I think the tournament organizer sshould define some proper rules about this.
Rules are rules dude. You're allowed to use one player twice, but he won't be able to play in the ace match. Every team does it. EG uses aLive and Jaedong twice, Acer uses Scarlett and MMA twice, mouse uses Lucifron, Mana and Vortix twice. Every team has their aces. I don't even understand why this is even a question. If a Liquid Player quits next week, TaeJa would obviously not be used three times because they have more than 5 players on their roster.
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