EPTOn August 11 2013 03:50 Dodgin wrote:
I go to bed, wake up and check the post game posts and It's all about Dota. shocking.
I go to bed, wake up and check the post game posts and It's all about Dota. shocking.
what is dota?
[OSL] Grand Finals WCS Korea Season 2 2013 - Page 209
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Horn
United States72 Posts
what is dota? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
google dota 2? | ||
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purakushi
United States3303 Posts
Just another reminder to take the game recommendation polls with a grain of salt. Maru fans really skewing it lol Great game. | ||
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Horn
United States72 Posts
sorry dont see anything edit: ohhhhh i had the filter on somehow, i can see it now | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 11 2013 03:54 purakushi wrote: How is game 2 not recommended... it was really good. Just another reminder to take the game recommendation polls with a grain of salt. Maru fans really skewing it lol Great game. there are just as many rain fans voting as maru fans, look at the heart poll | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
I don't know what happened to Rain. Maru played really well in games 4,5,6 but Rain did not seem to be at his best. Did he really choke rather than just get outplayed? I hope not. Either way, getting that label of choker stuck on him is worse than actually being a choker. It can weigh a player down and will haunt Rain in situations like this again. I've always liked Rain and his Protoss style even if I've never loved it (I've liked it more recently as he showed a greater willingness to be aggressive with Protoss even if he is not a passive Protoss player in the way usually characterised). But, I've always felt that he lacked that something to be a true Protoss champion. The only one who seems to have that necessary swagger, that "fuck it you won't win I will" conviction deep inside is MC even if his light is dimmed and his passion for the game diminished. Maybe that light will burn bright again in time and the President will return to Korea for a third title. I can hope. Congratulations Maru! (Or should that be Optimus?) Congratulations Prime! | ||
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purakushi
United States3303 Posts
On August 11 2013 03:59 opterown wrote: there are just as many rain fans voting as maru fans, look at the heart poll Ah, I see. Well, then I really can not trust those polls. >< Korean VoDs ftw  so much more exciting | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On August 11 2013 02:38 Havik_ wrote: NOOOOOOOO Rain  Goddamn it It wasn't so much that Maru won, it was that Rain lost. The only game that he legit "won" believe it or not was the proxy rax game. Game 1 was the most beautiful PvT I've ever seen from Rain, in game 2 he defends all that cheeky bullshit. The other games were stupid bullshit from Rain that isn't characteristic from him. Game 4 he attacks into a concave and doesn't retreat when his army got empd. Game 5 he goes for a risky Immortal all in AFTER SCOUTING A TON OF MARINES AND A FAST THIRD CC, when he could have easily just gone for the late game and take a third and go for the aoe tech. Then in the last game he goes DT drop after scouting the same thing? When you're known for the most solid macro play in the game, why take retarded army engagements and do risky builds. Game 1 was the most impressive thing I've ever seen. DO THAT MORE OFTEN... What the fuck. Yes iMad  Congrats Maru, but please don't end up being another Jjakji so this isn't a total waste. So um... drop play is cheeky bullshit now? Cuz that's basically all Maru was doing in Game 2 and Rain kept slamming it shut to gain a bigger and bigger lead. Game 4 was a really weird lack of control, I don't know if it was Rain choking or if he was microing the Warp Prism harass and messed up the other front (I mean that's what the observer was focusing on too, so not impossible that's what Rain was doing). Game 5, I'm not entirely sure how you can say Rain can easily go for the macro game when he's already behind in bases and tech. Newkirk is an easier map for Maru to execute a timing attack. Which Maru tried to do on game 1, but as you said, Rain played too perfectly, deflected everything and really made Maru look helpless. But Newkirk isn't the type of map that lets you do that when you're behind. Game 6 I half agree with. It felt like a pre-planned build to throw things off (besides everyone keeps saying how DTs aren't that risky anymore, so maybe Rain feels that way too). In the context of the series though, it's not Rain's strength and not what I'd fall back on with the series on the line if I were Rain. But then again, maybe they tried to be too clever and outthink Maru? Rain losing a DT attacking a depot at the edge of the scan radius though... that was awful. Edit: Maru's been around for 3 years, as long as he doesn't let this get to his head he shouldn't end up wasting this championship by disappearing again. But we'll see how the Season finals go first. Double Edit: Just finished rewatching the series (cuz I wanted to hear Tastetosis's take on it) and Game 4, no idea how Rain botched the HT's. He had them spread, then he lost them in the first engagement, warped in a new round and attacked two more times and never spread them (and got them EMP-ed fatally the second time). No warp prism to distract at the last engagement either, it was the first engagement and he still managed to spread out. Game 5 turns out the eBay's went down after Rain's scout, but I still think it was too late for Rain to take a fast 3rd. He was at one gate + robo at that point and Maru had 3 raxes and was starting to take gas. | ||
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Comogury
United States412 Posts
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maestrohuber
1 Post
On August 11 2013 00:09 slicknav wrote: OSL VOD's aren't up yet. Not sure when that will happen though. Does OGN have any other twitch.tv accounts besides: wcs_osl wcs_osl2 ogn_kor Still haven't seen the full Maru vs. Innovation broadcast posted either. Just clips. | ||
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
Poor prime | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
He tried to attack Maru in wide open ground and tripped his templar micro. | ||
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KingofGods
Canada1218 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On August 11 2013 04:24 usethis2 wrote: Having finished watching the series, I say the set 4 was the turning point. Rain should have either 1) squeezed units out of 2 bases and attacked Maru with higher food count, or 2) waited for Maru to attack into him while taking the 3rd base. He tried to attack Maru in wide open ground and tripped his templar micro. Without a doubt set 4 was the most important. Maru had stopped Rain's momentum completely by that point. he had defeated him in a straight up head to head game after already showing him he was dangerous if he went for a cheese build. Now Rain had to prepare both for being cheesed and for Maru being greedy and he just wasn't able to juggle both possibilities well enough. It forced mistakes out of him. Maru got in his head, the same way he got in Innovation's head, he won the mind game and thus the tournament with it. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 11 2013 04:31 KingofGods wrote: I don't understand Rain's thought process in the last 2 games going with the gimmicky / all in plays. Rain is clearly the better player. I don't see how he could have lost with his standard 3 base collosi into ht play. he lost in game 4 with that exact play yo. maybe he felt he couldn't win without cheese | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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KingofGods
Canada1218 Posts
This isn't ladder people. Nothing is done hap hazardly or on the spot. You definitely aren't going to do a strat you never practiced consistently. | ||
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
Maru clearly had the better BO7 plan: a solid mix of cheese and greed to punish an overcautious opponent. Looking forward to next Season . | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On August 11 2013 04:40 KingofGods wrote: I'm pretty sure each player had every single strategy planned out for each map before the series even started. They then went on to practice that exact strategy and build hundreds of times on that map. Maru didn't just hap hazardley say, "well I'm down 0-2 I better 2 rax". I'm quite certain even if he was up 2-0 he would be doing the exact same strat. Likewise for Rain planning his immortal bust and dt play BEFORE the series even started. This isn't ladder people. Nothing is done hap hazardly or on the spot. You definitely aren't going to do a strat you never practiced consistently. Perhaps, but you can't say that both of these players haven't played countless games on these maps beforehand. | ||
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
On August 11 2013 04:17 maestrohuber wrote: Does OGN have any other twitch.tv accounts besides: wcs_osl wcs_osl2 ogn_kor Still haven't seen the full Maru vs. Innovation broadcast posted either. Just clips. Korean VODs from OGN are up on twitch for those that missed it http://www.twitch.tv/ogn_kor/b/443515065 | ||
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