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stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
July 23 2013 19:59 GMT
#2061
It is pretty ridiculous that just last season soulkey managed to win 4 straight against innovation to win the finals but now that innovation got the better end of the deal every single zerg it seems it crying imba. Innovation just played fucking incredible and you are blind if you saw it as anything else. Hell, dreamhack just had a zvz finals and like a single terran in the top 8.
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
July 23 2013 20:04 GMT
#2062
On July 24 2013 04:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
We may very well have all terran ro4

I hope we get more WCS AM Polt vs TaeJa TvT and less WCS KR Bbyong vs MarineKing TvT
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painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
July 23 2013 20:11 GMT
#2063
On July 24 2013 04:52 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 02:28 sharkie wrote:
so even after hellbat nerf Innovation just crushes SK...

And people actually thought SK = Innovation :D

I'm a big fan of innovation but I still think SK is about on par or a bit weaker than Innovation seeing as how he beat him 4-3 in WCS KR. My point? I don't think Innovation is that much better than SK, just enough to make a difference whenever they play.


No, Innovation is that much better than SK. That finals was just a bizarre incident where Innovation became too excited at the prospect of winning he couldn't play properly. Innovation 3-0ed SK three times now. SK also lost series to Flash and Taeja and barely won against Maru in previous GSLs. His ZvT isn't not that scary.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
July 23 2013 20:16 GMT
#2064
On July 24 2013 05:04 juicyjames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 04:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
We may very well have all terran ro4

I hope we get more WCS AM Polt vs TaeJa TvT and less WCS KR Bbyong vs MarineKing TvT


Bbyong vs MKP is way more entertaining than Polt vs Taeja.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
July 23 2013 20:16 GMT
#2065
If Bomber and Supernova win, its gonna be back to GomTvT
but its not in gom
$O$ | soO
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
July 23 2013 20:17 GMT
#2066
On July 24 2013 05:16 edgeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 05:04 juicyjames wrote:
On July 24 2013 04:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
We may very well have all terran ro4

I hope we get more WCS AM Polt vs TaeJa TvT and less WCS KR Bbyong vs MarineKing TvT


Bbyong vs MKP is way more entertaining than Polt vs Taeja.


More entertaining but lower skill level.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
edgeOut
Profile Joined February 2013
United States945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 20:21:27
July 23 2013 20:18 GMT
#2067
On July 24 2013 05:17 painkilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 05:16 edgeOut wrote:
On July 24 2013 05:04 juicyjames wrote:
On July 24 2013 04:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
We may very well have all terran ro4

I hope we get more WCS AM Polt vs TaeJa TvT and less WCS KR Bbyong vs MarineKing TvT


Bbyong vs MKP is way more entertaining than Polt vs Taeja.


More entertaining but lower skill level.


On surface, it seems that way. Cause Polt vs Taeja fits foreigner standards of skill.
Fuck you Zealously! For the fuck you give to those players.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
July 23 2013 20:44 GMT
#2068
mother of god. that was some amazing games, especially from Innovation. really impressed with Maru too, but he ain't getting passed the round of 4.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
InfamousOne
Profile Joined April 2013
United States110 Posts
July 23 2013 20:47 GMT
#2069
do you know how hard it is to play perfectly with 4m style like innovation? you have to be doing so many things at one time plus keeping perfect micro...

if he plays perfectly, he deserves to win... the micro and multitasking required to play like he did is off the charts

are vods up yet?
Jmanthedragonguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada1202 Posts
July 23 2013 21:02 GMT
#2070
On July 24 2013 05:11 painkilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 04:52 BigFan wrote:
On July 24 2013 02:28 sharkie wrote:
so even after hellbat nerf Innovation just crushes SK...

And people actually thought SK = Innovation :D

I'm a big fan of innovation but I still think SK is about on par or a bit weaker than Innovation seeing as how he beat him 4-3 in WCS KR. My point? I don't think Innovation is that much better than SK, just enough to make a difference whenever they play.


No, Innovation is that much better than SK. That finals was just a bizarre incident where Innovation became too excited at the prospect of winning he couldn't play properly. Innovation 3-0ed SK three times now. SK also lost series to Flash and Taeja and barely won against Maru in previous GSLs. His ZvT isn't not that scary.

I dunno, I'd put my money on Soulkey against any other terran in the world, besides Innovation ofc. Innovation is just really good with bio-mine, which makes macro TvZ with him nearly impossible. Still, if they were to play again, I highly doubt Innovation would 3-0 him again.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 23 2013 21:07 GMT
#2071
WTF symbol lol

grats maru, first ro8 and ro4 in this tournament.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
July 23 2013 21:12 GMT
#2072
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 23 2013 21:36 GMT
#2073
I always thought Maru was the squirtle to Creator's Bulbasuar and Life's Charmander. He was actually just magikarp who just hit level 20. 0_0
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
July 23 2013 21:40 GMT
#2074
On July 24 2013 06:12 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 05:18 edgeOut wrote:
On July 24 2013 05:17 painkilla wrote:
On July 24 2013 05:16 edgeOut wrote:
On July 24 2013 05:04 juicyjames wrote:
On July 24 2013 04:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
We may very well have all terran ro4

I hope we get more WCS AM Polt vs TaeJa TvT and less WCS KR Bbyong vs MarineKing TvT


Bbyong vs MKP is way more entertaining than Polt vs Taeja.


More entertaining but lower skill level.


On surface, it seems that way. Cause Polt vs Taeja fits foreigner standards of skill.

No, it was definitely lower skill level. Both MKP and Bbyong have awful TvT and the decision making displayed in the games were just so bad.

Bbyong going for counter banshee instead of building defence in game one (not to mention stacking the scvs)

MarineKing moving out with unsieged tanks JUST before his 2-2 finished

Both players losing a ton of units unnecessarily to mines and banshees in game 3.

Not saying they are worse players but they definitely have worse TvT.

They're probably worse players, too, it's fine, you can say that.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 23 2013 22:07 GMT
#2075
On July 24 2013 04:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
We may very well have all terran ro4

That's what I hope for at least.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
July 23 2013 22:16 GMT
#2076
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snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 22:38:57
July 23 2013 22:37 GMT
#2077
On July 24 2013 04:10 onPHYRE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 01:52 catabowl wrote:
On July 24 2013 01:15 sibs wrote:
On July 24 2013 00:47 Snowbear wrote:
On July 24 2013 00:09 theKingKobra wrote:
In my opinion the issue is that at the top level, three base macro terran is extremely hard for Z to deal with if left alone. soulkey reverse swept inno with two unscouted roach bane timings, defended a cheese, and won one macro game cuz of gifted medivacs.

When innovation makes no mistakes, it seems impossible for him to lose to Z


The best sc2 player wins --> complain. It's INNOVATION. What about him being just sick good? No? It has to be the balance!


it's just innovation winning tvz right? wcs kr/gstl/proleague TvZ does not favor terran massively?


If the name was "Flash" there would be zero complaining. They would be holding parades and telling everyone that Flash is god. Since the name is "Innovation" must be balance whine.

It's quite annoying really. Innovation is the best in the world right now. Deal with it Flasholytes.


I think there would be much less complaining if Innovation was dominating vZ with a bunch of different strategies and in a bunch of different ways. The problem arises when all he does is 4M because it is the best and most cost efficient thing to do. Sure he does it better than anyone but it's clear that is the only good strategy vZ right now, not because it is all Terrans can do to win but because it is so much easier to win doing just that (akin to BL + Infestor in WoL). That is why people cry imbalance. I wish people wouldn't make "Oh innovation is just so good." While true, if you watch the games objectively you can see not only did SK play well and loose (esp game 1), but Zerg has no answer for speedvacs+ MMMM.


It takes a whole lot of skill to win with 4M as clearly not every terran player is winning when they try it. The meta game always will find the most efficient way of playing a matchup so yeah its 4M but its entertaining to watch and if not this then it just ends up being some other strat over and over.

Innovation played those games to perfection as always and easily deserves to win. I dont see every pro terran stomping zergs using the same strat so its just the player is that good.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
July 23 2013 22:37 GMT
#2078
On July 24 2013 07:16 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 07:07 ZenithM wrote:
On July 24 2013 04:56 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
We may very well have all terran ro4

That's what I hope for at least.

You want Terran to get nerfed?


terran will get nerfed sooner or later anyway. Bring it on now, so we have more time to adapt (and lose horribly haha xD).
on a more serious note: After today's results a 3T 1P Ro4 is very likely.
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
July 23 2013 22:45 GMT
#2079
I like how innovation said in the third game he expected cheese so he went fast tank showing he learned some good lessons from the gsl finals.
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 22:59:45
July 23 2013 22:58 GMT
#2080
Amazing
The best player in the world trounces a zerg, and the cries to nerf terran to ground come back
Some people will only be satisfied with end-of-wol terran it seems...

Come back when mid-tier foreign terrans are taking out top korean zergs, please
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