Match order was changed to Shine vs MKP, TRUE vs Squirtle, RorO vs Dream, then Life vs jjakji because Life was busy with a LoL match. I will not be reordering the OP because it's a pain in the ass and won't matter in the end. This is just for people who come in mid broadcast and think the OP isnt updated because Life vs jjakji doesnt have a score yet + Show Spoiler +
the LoL part isn't real I have no idea why the matches were reordered
MarineKing will face Bbyong for Code S! Life will face 3rd place OSL Ro16 Group C for Code S! Dream will face 4th place OSL Ro16 Group C for Code S! TRUE will face KeeN for Code S! Flying will face PartinG for Code S!
On July 18 2013 10:56 BabyRomatic wrote: After watching MKP vs B4 at IEM qualifier, I don't think MKP can beat shine.
yeah his games vs Mamuri weren't particularly impressive either. Shine is favored here imo
Well, Aligulac says otherwise.
There are a couple of reasons I'll say why I think Aligulac would say otherwise. 1. Marineking is on a general down trend and hasnt stabilized in his TvZ rating. He has fallen from the 3rd highest rating all time in the database. also, since it takes into account all 3 matchups, he can pull his tvz rating up a little bit with his overall average because he is still winning against T and P. 2. Kespa players came into the rating system later than other players. Because of this they started at a lower overall rating of about 1200. Because the kespa players play a majority of their games in proleague (against other 1200 starting level players) their rating did not change a lot quickly. 3. Shine has a terrible record in proleague. Every time he loses in proleague, he is pretty much losing to a player with a much lower rating than is probably accurate because of point #2 (unless that player has played enough games against players with established ratings to give a more accurate rating) 4. Shine seems to perform a hell of a lot better in GSL/OSL than he does in proleague
Sure I want Marineking to win and Aligulac could be write, but I think there are a couple of things not accounted for in this case.
On July 18 2013 11:50 catplanetcatplanet wrote: Shine 2-0 Life 2-1 (heart), jjakji 2-1 (head) FAITH RorO 2-0 Squirtle 2-0
jjakji looked pretty bad against violet the other day while Life has still been able to beat players like Supernova recently. Shouldn't need too much faith for Life to win most likely although personally I'm hoping jjakji pulls it off.
Holy shit, these matchups. 3 GSL champions (2 of them vsing each other), MKP, and Squirtle? And no mirror matchups? And starting at a reasonable time for me (pacific time 9pm)?? This is amazing.
On July 18 2013 13:26 stuchiu wrote: The current members of the Injustice League:
Active: Shine Bubbles Hyvaa Sniper TheBest
Pledge: Duckdeok
Retired: Hongun
Invisible: Inca
Hall of Fame: BitByBit
how is Naniwa and nerchio not on that list?
The Injustice League holds themselves to a higher standard of upsetting people with inexplicable cheese in game (or in Sniper's case making a girl cry). Only the most skill less of villains need out of game BM to achieve villian status.
Sniper is the OG of ruining fun, there can be no leader except for him Nobody there made a girl cry AND piss on the funeral of a boxer team AND ruined what was supposed to be the best day for a player long bullied by his team all in 5 matches.
Sniper is the OG of ruining fun, there can be no leader except for him Nobody there made a girl cry AND piss on the funeral of a boxer team AND ruined what was supposed to be the best day for a player long bullied by his team all in 5 matches.
Poor decision for Shine to not attack up the ramp or even send a single Zergling. If he didn't spend time attacking the CC he would likely have won and not been in the compromised situation he is in currently.
On July 18 2013 13:44 BisuDagger wrote: StarscreamG1 please update the OP.
Who won which game?
I think there needs to be an OP change because he wrote something on the first page about it being a mistake to make the OP because he was going to bed. admin should change it to someone who will be here for the full broadcast
On July 18 2013 13:44 BisuDagger wrote: StarscreamG1 please update the OP.
Who won which game?
Shine g1 Mkp g2
Wow really. I saw the start of game 1 didn't MKP have a huge lead in g1 with the extra CC?
the 10 pool did enough damage to either be even or have Shine ahead. From there Shine's creep spread and counter attacks won him the game as MKP opted for a base trade.
On July 18 2013 13:44 BisuDagger wrote: StarscreamG1 please update the OP.
Who won which game?
Shine g1 Mkp g2
Wow really. I saw the start of game 1 didn't MKP have a huge lead in g1 with the extra CC?
the 10 pool did enough damage to either be even or have Shine ahead. From there Shine's creep spread and counter attacks won him the game as MKP opted for a base trade.
I am actually pretty impressed by Shine's creep spread for a player of his reputation
Marineking's play is definitely looking better than it did vs BBoongBBoong and Mamuri. Glad he's gonna win even though Shine pretty much should have won it in the beginning with the ling runby if he had blocked the wall :D
On July 18 2013 13:51 opterown wrote: :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
On July 18 2013 13:52 LighT. wrote: Good job MKP. He has a real shot with Flash beating bbyong for 3rd
Yeah he just beat MMA 2-0 the other day in IEM so I'm hoping that's a sign that his TvT is still going ok. Should be good with the return to WoL style since he was still one of the better TvTers at the end of WoL
Let's be debbie downer for a second, marineking should have lost that if it wasn't for that whatever the hell it was decision to attack an unfinished CC instead of running up the ramp with the ling counter attack. Still good play by MKP.
On July 18 2013 13:52 LighT. wrote: Good job MKP. He has a real shot with Flash beating bbyong for 3rd
Yeah he just beat MMA 2-0 the other day in IEM so I'm hoping that's a sign that his TvT is still going ok. Should be good with the return to WoL style since he was still one of the better TvTers at the end of WoL
Don't worry, Maru-hyung will teach him all about that new TvT.
On July 18 2013 13:54 Fusilero wrote: Let's be debbie downer for a second, marineking should have lost that if it wasn't for that whatever the hell it was decision to attack an unfinished CC instead of running up the ramp with the ling counter attack. Still good play by MKP.
it's ok give shine a few months and he'll dominate the sc2 pro scene
On July 18 2013 13:54 Fusilero wrote: Let's be debbie downer for a second, marineking should have lost that if it wasn't for that whatever the hell it was decision to attack an unfinished CC instead of running up the ramp with the ling counter attack. Still good play by MKP.
On July 18 2013 13:54 Fusilero wrote: Let's be debbie downer for a second, marineking should have lost that if it wasn't for that whatever the hell it was decision to attack an unfinished CC instead of running up the ramp with the ling counter attack. Still good play by MKP.
100% agree but luck is part of the game :D
It had nothing to do with luck. He had an overlord in his base, saw everything, and decided not to go up.
On July 18 2013 13:54 Fusilero wrote: Let's be debbie downer for a second, marineking should have lost that if it wasn't for that whatever the hell it was decision to attack an unfinished CC instead of running up the ramp with the ling counter attack. Still good play by MKP.
100% agree but luck is part of the game :D
It had nothing to do with luck. He had an overlord in his base, saw everything, and decided not to go up.
On July 18 2013 13:54 Vindicare605 wrote: Who's next BbyonG? You can kill him MKP and then it's back to Code S with you!
This is bbyong, nobody will deny him code S where he will do nothing it is his destiny, virus and ensnare watch him from above with pride.
Remember that one time when ensnare actually looked half decent for like 2 days?
I too remember GSL open season 1.
I think there was actually 1 code s season where he did very well in the Ro32 group stage and people were like WUAHHHH is Ensnare finally going to play well!? and then he bombed out next round like usual
On July 18 2013 13:54 Vindicare605 wrote: Who's next BbyonG? You can kill him MKP and then it's back to Code S with you!
This is bbyong, nobody will deny him code S where he will do nothing it is his destiny, virus and ensnare watch him from above with pride.
Remember that one time when ensnare actually looked half decent for like 2 days?
I too remember GSL open season 1.
I think there was actually 1 code s season where he did very well in the Ro32 group stage and people were like WUAHHHH is Ensnare finally going to play well!? and then he bombed out next round like usual
It was the day of Manzenith, when Nestea and another big name got beat by ensare and San to everybody's disbelief in February or march 2011 I think.
On July 18 2013 13:54 Vindicare605 wrote: Who's next BbyonG? You can kill him MKP and then it's back to Code S with you!
This is bbyong, nobody will deny him code S where he will do nothing it is his destiny, virus and ensnare watch him from above with pride.
Remember that one time when ensnare actually looked half decent for like 2 days?
I too remember GSL open season 1.
I think there was actually 1 code s season where he did very well in the Ro32 group stage and people were like WUAHHHH is Ensnare finally going to play well!? and then he bombed out next round like usual
It was the day of Manzenith, when Nestea and another big name got beat by ensare and San to everybody's disbelief in February or march 2011 I think.
The other big name was Boxer D: I forgot Ensnare advanced out of that group too. Must have been the one I was thinking of.
On July 18 2013 13:54 Vindicare605 wrote: Who's next BbyonG? You can kill him MKP and then it's back to Code S with you!
This is bbyong, nobody will deny him code S where he will do nothing it is his destiny, virus and ensnare watch him from above with pride.
Remember that one time when ensnare actually looked half decent for like 2 days?
I too remember GSL open season 1.
I think there was actually 1 code s season where he did very well in the Ro32 group stage and people were like WUAHHHH is Ensnare finally going to play well!? and then he bombed out next round like usual
It was the day of Manzenith, when Nestea and another big name got beat by ensare and San to everybody's disbelief in February or march 2011 I think.
The other big name was Boxer D: I forgot Ensnare advanced out of that group too. Must have been the one I was thinking of.
I remember he played a mined out TvT with Jinro on Shattered Temple.
On July 18 2013 13:54 Vindicare605 wrote: Who's next BbyonG? You can kill him MKP and then it's back to Code S with you!
This is bbyong, nobody will deny him code S where he will do nothing it is his destiny, virus and ensnare watch him from above with pride.
Remember that one time when ensnare actually looked half decent for like 2 days?
I too remember GSL open season 1.
I think there was actually 1 code s season where he did very well in the Ro32 group stage and people were like WUAHHHH is Ensnare finally going to play well!? and then he bombed out next round like usual
It was the day of Manzenith, when Nestea and another big name got beat by ensare and San to everybody's disbelief in February or march 2011 I think.
The other big name was Boxer D: I forgot Ensnare advanced out of that group too. Must have been the one I was thinking of.
Weird how he's actually done a little more then ever getting credit for :p
It's possible now that I think about it he was going to retire until jin air sponsored T8 and he changed his mind, major was already gone so he couldn't correct himself when he announced it.
So TRUE didn't retire after all? When I saw he played his match vs JYP I assumed he was just playing out his games in WCS without a team to see what happens
On July 18 2013 14:04 Fusilero wrote: It's possible now that I think about it he was going to retire until jin air sponsored T8 and he changed his mind, major was already gone so he couldn't correct himself when he announced it.
Happy to see him back if he stays. True has one of the most exciting Zerg styles of any player out right now.
New theory: TRUE has retired, but in a moment of yolo agreed to play out the matches, he is now seeing how far he can go by just massing lings against everyone (Which appears to be working).
I think the kespa map makers weren´t around for Blistering Sands to know these unblockable back doors are actually a horrible idea. I suppose it´s a phase they´re going through. Hopefully they´ll never go goth.
was there some sort of agreement under all the players that they want this map gone so they decided Zerg will win everytime ? But wow 2 stalkers rounds was a crazy decision.
On July 18 2013 14:12 groms wrote: why do no protoss players try to scout?
Whenever a protoss player is planning on an all in like that they plan to do it no matter what. It's rare to see them deviate when they scout something.
On July 18 2013 14:13 ZackAttack wrote: How is this map allowed? What is keeping zerg from just maxing on speedlings as fast at they can and killing those rocks?
Nothing, but kespa doesn't care about making balanced sc2 maps because their focus is pro league. Teams can just choose not to put a race out on an unbalanced map. Doesn't work so well in individual leagues though.
On July 18 2013 14:13 Daswollvieh wrote: I think the kespa map makers weren´t around for Blistering Sands to know these unblockable back doors are actually a horrible idea. I suppose it´s a phase they´re going through. Hopefully they´ll never go goth.
And in the end of HoTS Daybreak 2 Daybreak Remastered Daybreak Remix Daybreak SE Neo Daybreak
On July 18 2013 14:13 Daswollvieh wrote: I think the kespa map makers weren´t around for Blistering Sands to know these unblockable back doors are actually a horrible idea. I suppose it´s a phase they´re going through. Hopefully they´ll never go goth.
And in the end of HoTS Daybreak 2 Daybreak Remastered Daybreak Remix Daybreak SE Neo Daybreak
On July 18 2013 14:16 PhoenixVoid wrote: Greediest build I have ever seen. Three Hatch before Pool is insane.
4 hatch before pool actually.
The genius behind the build is how it immensely greedy it is, yet smartly navigating with upgrades and unit compositions places you in a safe position and places you economically ahead of the Protoss.
On July 18 2013 14:16 PhoenixVoid wrote: Greediest build I have ever seen. Three Hatch before Pool is insane.
4 hatch before pool actually.
The genius behind the build is how it immensely greedy it is, yet smartly navigating with upgrades and unit compositions places you in a safe position and places you economically ahead of the Protoss.
It really only works vs a non forge expand toss or a toss going gate expand and not scouting till to late .
On July 18 2013 14:13 Daswollvieh wrote: I think the kespa map makers weren´t around for Blistering Sands to know these unblockable back doors are actually a horrible idea. I suppose it´s a phase they´re going through. Hopefully they´ll never go goth.
And in the end of HoTS Daybreak 2 Daybreak Remastered Daybreak Remix Daybreak SE Neo Daybreak
On July 18 2013 14:13 ZackAttack wrote: How is this map allowed? What is keeping zerg from just maxing on speedlings as fast at they can and killing those rocks?
Nothing, but kespa doesn't care about making balanced sc2 maps because their focus is pro league. Teams can just choose not to put a race out on an unbalanced map. Doesn't work so well in individual leagues though.
Kespa did not make Anaconda and Gwengali Beach, OGN did.
On July 18 2013 14:32 Yello wrote: got about half an hour until I have to leave to write my exam, so Roro and Dream better show me the best game of sc2 ever now
Series ends with two 2 Raxes or two 6 Pools in a row.
On July 18 2013 14:32 Yello wrote: got about half an hour until I have to leave to write my exam, so Roro and Dream better show me the best game of sc2 ever now
Yeah im going to miss Life/Jjakji because of classes too, so these guys better let me leave on a high note.
On July 18 2013 14:32 Yello wrote: got about half an hour until I have to leave to write my exam, so Roro and Dream better show me the best game of sc2 ever now
Series ends with two 2 Raxes or two 6 Pools in a row.
Nah, the most hideous, agonising, stupidly played game of throws where both fail to micro, bank 2k/2k on 3 base at 100/200 and it all ends with BCs dying afk over spore crawlers as they try to focus roaches.
On July 18 2013 14:32 Yello wrote: got about half an hour until I have to leave to write my exam, so Roro and Dream better show me the best game of sc2 ever now
Series ends with two 2 Raxes or two 6 Pools in a row.
Nah, the most hideous, agonising, stupidly played game of throws where both fail to micro, bank 2k/2k on 3 base at 100/200 and it all ends with BCs dying afk over spore crawlers as they try to focus roaches.
Or you could just do what bomber does and nuke your entire army
On July 18 2013 14:34 sc2superfan101 wrote: TRUE outplayed, outclassed, outmicroed, and outcheesed Squirtle.
Come back when you've evolved to Blastoise, cause you ain't ready for this yet!
-_-;;
First map was a BO win, second was a wonky build that put TRUE so far ahead he could do massive tech switches at a whim, as Zergs can do to their opponents when they get way ahead, which pretty much always spells a slow and painful death for their opponents.
On July 18 2013 14:32 Yello wrote: got about half an hour until I have to leave to write my exam, so Roro and Dream better show me the best game of sc2 ever now
Series ends with two 2 Raxes or two 6 Pools in a row.
Nah, the most hideous, agonising, stupidly played game of throws where both fail to micro, bank 2k/2k on 3 base at 100/200 and it all ends with BCs dying afk over spore crawlers as they try to focus roaches.
Would be funny if BC/Raven vs Viper and Ravens would HSM vipers and the vipers would grab the BCs and HSM splash kills them (Vipers + BCs) and zerg remaxes and kills the Terran would be funny.
On July 18 2013 14:27 Arceus wrote: Khaldor & Wolf make the last ten minutes more exciting than it's actually is
I knew somebody would complain about it ^^ And if we would have called a gg earlier in the game there would have been complaints as well :-P
Can't please everyone :-)
The answer is clearly you and wolf should delegate, one optimist one pessimist. Everybody happy!
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
On July 18 2013 14:27 Arceus wrote: Khaldor & Wolf make the last ten minutes more exciting than it's actually is
I knew somebody would complain about it ^^ And if we would have called a gg earlier in the game there would have been complaints as well :-P
Can't please everyone :-)
The answer is clearly you and wolf should delegate, one optimist one pessimist. Everybody happy!
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
On July 18 2013 14:27 Arceus wrote: Khaldor & Wolf make the last ten minutes more exciting than it's actually is
I knew somebody would complain about it ^^ And if we would have called a gg earlier in the game there would have been complaints as well :-P
Can't please everyone :-)
The answer is clearly you and wolf should delegate, one optimist one pessimist. Everybody happy!
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
My thoughts the same. It's been for a while that Ive always believed Wolf/Khaldor is the better duo of the two.
On July 18 2013 14:27 Arceus wrote: Khaldor & Wolf make the last ten minutes more exciting than it's actually is
I knew somebody would complain about it ^^ And if we would have called a gg earlier in the game there would have been complaints as well :-P
Can't please everyone :-)
The answer is clearly you and wolf should delegate, one optimist one pessimist. Everybody happy!
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
My thoughts the same. It's been for a while that Ive always believed Wolf/Khaldor is the better duo of the two.
It's kind of odd how tastosis are considered the main casters for him but wolf and Khaldor cast everything but code s
On July 18 2013 14:27 Arceus wrote: Khaldor & Wolf make the last ten minutes more exciting than it's actually is
I knew somebody would complain about it ^^ And if we would have called a gg earlier in the game there would have been complaints as well :-P
Can't please everyone :-)
The answer is clearly you and wolf should delegate, one optimist one pessimist. Everybody happy!
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
My thoughts the same. It's been for a while that Ive always believed Wolf/Khaldor is the better duo of the two.
It's kind of odd how tastosis are considered the main casters for him but wolf and Khaldor cast everything but code s
On July 18 2013 14:27 Arceus wrote: Khaldor & Wolf make the last ten minutes more exciting than it's actually is
I knew somebody would complain about it ^^ And if we would have called a gg earlier in the game there would have been complaints as well :-P
Can't please everyone :-)
The answer is clearly you and wolf should delegate, one optimist one pessimist. Everybody happy!
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
My thoughts the same. It's been for a while that Ive always believed Wolf/Khaldor is the better duo of the two.
It's kind of odd how tastosis are considered the main casters for him but wolf and Khaldor cast everything but code s
You forgot world of Tanks...
Whenever I think about them casting that shit I am instantly reminded of that depressing picture of them two where you think they were being held at gunpoint forced to cast it
On July 18 2013 14:27 Arceus wrote: Khaldor & Wolf make the last ten minutes more exciting than it's actually is
I knew somebody would complain about it ^^ And if we would have called a gg earlier in the game there would have been complaints as well :-P
Can't please everyone :-)
The answer is clearly you and wolf should delegate, one optimist one pessimist. Everybody happy!
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
My thoughts the same. It's been for a while that Ive always believed Wolf/Khaldor is the better duo of the two.
It's kind of odd how tastosis are considered the main casters for him but wolf and Khaldor cast everything but code s
Khaldor and Wolf have real passion for SC2. Artosis from what i've seen does love SC2 but trying to establish things on his own and aim for personal gain (not that I see anything wrong with this) Tasteless is just a good employee who does what GomTV asks him to do, I don't really think he truly has a passion for sc2
On July 18 2013 14:27 Arceus wrote: Khaldor & Wolf make the last ten minutes more exciting than it's actually is
I knew somebody would complain about it ^^ And if we would have called a gg earlier in the game there would have been complaints as well :-P
Can't please everyone :-)
The answer is clearly you and wolf should delegate, one optimist one pessimist. Everybody happy!
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
My thoughts the same. It's been for a while that Ive always believed Wolf/Khaldor is the better duo of the two.
It's kind of odd how tastosis are considered the main casters for him but wolf and Khaldor cast everything but code s
You forgot world of Tanks...
Whenever I think about them casting that shit I am instantly reminded of that depressing picture of them two where you think they were being held at gunpoint forced to cast it
Pretty sure Tastetosis actually enjoys WoT because they stream themselves playing it fairly often.
On July 18 2013 14:27 Arceus wrote: Khaldor & Wolf make the last ten minutes more exciting than it's actually is
I knew somebody would complain about it ^^ And if we would have called a gg earlier in the game there would have been complaints as well :-P
Can't please everyone :-)
The answer is clearly you and wolf should delegate, one optimist one pessimist. Everybody happy!
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
My thoughts the same. It's been for a while that Ive always believed Wolf/Khaldor is the better duo of the two.
It's kind of odd how tastosis are considered the main casters for him but wolf and Khaldor cast everything but code s
Khaldor and Wolf have real passion for SC2. Artosis from what i've seen does love SC2 but trying to establish things on his own and aim for personal gain (not that I see anything wrong with this) Tasteless is just a good employee who does what GomTV asks him to do, I don't really think he truly has a passion for sc2
Yea I love all four of them :p nothing beats tastosis banter and Khaldor coverage with wolf hair analysis
On July 18 2013 14:27 Arceus wrote: Khaldor & Wolf make the last ten minutes more exciting than it's actually is
I knew somebody would complain about it ^^ And if we would have called a gg earlier in the game there would have been complaints as well :-P
Can't please everyone :-)
The answer is clearly you and wolf should delegate, one optimist one pessimist. Everybody happy!
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
My thoughts the same. It's been for a while that Ive always believed Wolf/Khaldor is the better duo of the two.
It's kind of odd how tastosis are considered the main casters for him but wolf and Khaldor cast everything but code s
You forgot world of Tanks...
Whenever I think about them casting that shit I am instantly reminded of that depressing picture of them two where you think they were being held at gunpoint forced to cast it
Pretty sure Tastetosis actually enjoys WoT because they stream themselves playing it fairly often.
I knew somebody would complain about it ^^ And if we would have called a gg earlier in the game there would have been complaints as well :-P
Can't please everyone :-)
The answer is clearly you and wolf should delegate, one optimist one pessimist. Everybody happy!
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
My thoughts the same. It's been for a while that Ive always believed Wolf/Khaldor is the better duo of the two.
It's kind of odd how tastosis are considered the main casters for him but wolf and Khaldor cast everything but code s
You forgot world of Tanks...
Whenever I think about them casting that shit I am instantly reminded of that depressing picture of them two where you think they were being held at gunpoint forced to cast it
Pretty sure Tastetosis actually enjoys WoT because they stream themselves playing it fairly often.
I knew somebody would complain about it ^^ And if we would have called a gg earlier in the game there would have been complaints as well :-P
Can't please everyone :-)
The answer is clearly you and wolf should delegate, one optimist one pessimist. Everybody happy!
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
My thoughts the same. It's been for a while that Ive always believed Wolf/Khaldor is the better duo of the two.
It's kind of odd how tastosis are considered the main casters for him but wolf and Khaldor cast everything but code s
You forgot world of Tanks...
Whenever I think about them casting that shit I am instantly reminded of that depressing picture of them two where you think they were being held at gunpoint forced to cast it
Pretty sure Tastetosis actually enjoys WoT because they stream themselves playing it fairly often.
Game is actually quite fun to play.
Not very fun to watch IMO.
I like World of Warplanes more than WoT personally. WoT gameplay just doesn't resonate much with me.
On July 18 2013 14:35 Fusilero wrote: [quote] The answer is clearly you and wolf should delegate, one optimist one pessimist. Everybody happy!
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
My thoughts the same. It's been for a while that Ive always believed Wolf/Khaldor is the better duo of the two.
It's kind of odd how tastosis are considered the main casters for him but wolf and Khaldor cast everything but code s
You forgot world of Tanks...
Whenever I think about them casting that shit I am instantly reminded of that depressing picture of them two where you think they were being held at gunpoint forced to cast it
Pretty sure Tastetosis actually enjoys WoT because they stream themselves playing it fairly often.
- "I think we will see the GG soon, so what did you eat for breakfast?" - "OMG LOOK AT THAT STALKER, HE KILLED A ZERGLING, IS THIS THE COMEBACK?!?!?!??!"
This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
My thoughts the same. It's been for a while that Ive always believed Wolf/Khaldor is the better duo of the two.
It's kind of odd how tastosis are considered the main casters for him but wolf and Khaldor cast everything but code s
You forgot world of Tanks...
Whenever I think about them casting that shit I am instantly reminded of that depressing picture of them two where you think they were being held at gunpoint forced to cast it
Pretty sure Tastetosis actually enjoys WoT because they stream themselves playing it fairly often.
Game is actually quite fun to play.
Not very fun to watch IMO.
Sort of like League :/
I can't watch that at all x.X
Despite playing it quite often
I really have no idea, to this day how league has so many viewers. I watch a few games to gain some tips and tidbits and it feels like a chore to just sit through one game. you aren't learning much like you would do watching a sc2 match at all
On July 18 2013 14:37 WigglingSquid wrote: [quote] This look suspiciously like a real exchange from Tastosis.
My thoughts the same. It's been for a while that Ive always believed Wolf/Khaldor is the better duo of the two.
It's kind of odd how tastosis are considered the main casters for him but wolf and Khaldor cast everything but code s
You forgot world of Tanks...
Whenever I think about them casting that shit I am instantly reminded of that depressing picture of them two where you think they were being held at gunpoint forced to cast it
Pretty sure Tastetosis actually enjoys WoT because they stream themselves playing it fairly often.
Game is actually quite fun to play.
Not very fun to watch IMO.
Sort of like League :/
I can't watch that at all x.X
Despite playing it quite often
I really have no idea, to this day how league has so many viewers. I watch a few games to gain some tips and tidbits and it feels like a chore to just sit through one game. you aren't learning much like you would do watching a sc2 match at all
Has to do with the streams and fan base I think :p
If RorO had taken a fifth earlier, his situation wouldn't be so dire cause he could afford to be less efficient, but being stuck on low economy will end him.
On July 18 2013 15:01 stuchiu wrote: I feel like Roro made the same mistake Soulkey did against Innovation in that PL match awhile back. He transitioned too fast into ultras.
Na, it was over because of dream's economic lead in the midgame, roro actually got ultralisks pretty slow. Muta/ling/bane stops being effective once terran gets 3-3.
On July 18 2013 15:05 IntoTheheart wrote: Why is Life playing LoL and SC2 simultaneously? Doesn't that really limit the amount he can practice and polish each game?
On July 18 2013 15:05 IntoTheheart wrote: Why is Life playing LoL and SC2 simultaneously? Doesn't that really limit the amount he can practice and polish each game?
No one even knows how true that is, it's just a rumor
On July 18 2013 15:05 IntoTheheart wrote: Why is Life playing LoL and SC2 simultaneously? Doesn't that really limit the amount he can practice and polish each game?
No one even knows how true that is, it's just a rumor
On July 18 2013 15:05 IntoTheheart wrote: Why is Life playing LoL and SC2 simultaneously? Doesn't that really limit the amount he can practice and polish each game?
I think Life is just playing LoL with school friends. But that may just be (TL forum) hearsay
On July 18 2013 15:05 IntoTheheart wrote: Why is Life playing LoL and SC2 simultaneously? Doesn't that really limit the amount he can practice and polish each game?
No one even knows how true that is, it's just a rumor
When 5 people say it, it becomes fact.
Afaik there has only been 2 instances and I'm pretty sure one is from an "inside source"
I'm certain many Korean SC2 pros have played or tried LoL at this point. It is a mere hobby for many and probably a sampling of current Korean eSports culture, so why not, its not like anyone is switching to LoL.
On July 18 2013 15:11 PhoenixVoid wrote: I'm certain many Korean SC2 pros have played or tried LoL at this point. It is a mere hobby for many and probably a sampling of current Korean eSports culture, so why not, its not like anyone is switching to LoL.
That and most teams have a LoL team as well, I'm sure both genres dabble with the other for fun
What I noticed from RorO's games so far, he is struggling against Widow Mines the most. It really damages his efficiency and contributes to his heavy supply deficits.
On July 18 2013 15:05 IntoTheheart wrote: Why is Life playing LoL and SC2 simultaneously? Doesn't that really limit the amount he can practice and polish each game?
The OP has a spoiler saying the LoL part isn't true and he doesn't know why the match order was changed.
I know that the moment was considering retirement. What about today?
Was having problems at home with my parents a few stories and have never been one to consider. But now I was resolved. Chajihun, JungHwan KIM coach can get his mind again, thank you for the great help. Retirement does not.
On July 18 2013 15:05 IntoTheheart wrote: Why is Life playing LoL and SC2 simultaneously? Doesn't that really limit the amount he can practice and polish each game?
The OP has a spoiler saying the LoL part isn't true and he doesn't know why the match order was changed.
in his defense I added the spoiler in after he asked because it was a joke from earlier in the thread and I didnt think that people would believe it
On July 18 2013 15:05 IntoTheheart wrote: Why is Life playing LoL and SC2 simultaneously? Doesn't that really limit the amount he can practice and polish each game?
The OP has a spoiler saying the LoL part isn't true and he doesn't know why the match order was changed.
in his defense I added the spoiler in after he asked because it was a joke from earlier in the thread and I didnt think that people would believe it
I like how dream uses marine widow mine drops instead of only marines, but roro is quiet good at dodging mine shots and leading them into marines, but dreams widow mine control is on par with that.
I hope Dream doesn´t disappear now like he did after smashing Rain. The people need a hero, and preferably one not named hero, because there are already plenty.
Time to replace RorO as top three current Zerg? I remember Apollo and Kaelaris debating over top three Zergs and it went Soulkey, Life and RorO. After seeing this series, it would be safe to place HyuN as third in my mind.
On July 18 2013 15:31 PhoenixVoid wrote: Time to replace RorO as top three current Zerg? I remember Apollo and Kaelaris debating over top three Zergs and it went Soulkey, Life and RorO. After seeing this series, it would be safe to place HyuN as third in my mind.
On July 18 2013 15:31 PhoenixVoid wrote: Time to replace RorO as top three current Zerg? I remember Apollo and Kaelaris debating over top three Zergs and it went Soulkey, Life and RorO. After seeing this series, it would be safe to place HyuN as third in my mind.
Or Soo. Either one works for me.
* And of course Symbol has already replaced Life for me.
On July 18 2013 15:32 mrtomjones wrote: So Life is playing LoL now? Wtf? How long has he been doing it? I assume it is pro LoL? Is this why he has slumped lately?
It's a joke. No one knows for sure if he plays LoL or not.
On July 18 2013 15:31 PhoenixVoid wrote: Time to replace RorO as top three current Zerg? I remember Apollo and Kaelaris debating over top three Zergs and it went Soulkey, Life and RorO. After seeing this series, it would be safe to place HyuN as third in my mind.
On July 18 2013 15:31 PhoenixVoid wrote: Time to replace RorO as top three current Zerg? I remember Apollo and Kaelaris debating over top three Zergs and it went Soulkey, Life and RorO. After seeing this series, it would be safe to place HyuN as third in my mind.
On July 18 2013 10:16 Shellshock1122 wrote: Match order was changed to Shine vs MKP, TRUE vs Squirtle, RorO vs Dream, then Life vs jjakji because Life was busy with a LoL match. I will not be reordering the OP because it's a pain in the ass and won't matter in the end. This is just for people who come in mid broadcast and think the OP isnt updated because Life vs jjakji doesnt have a score yet + Show Spoiler +
the LoL part isn't real I have no idea why the matches were reordered
On July 18 2013 15:32 mrtomjones wrote: So Life is playing LoL now? Wtf? How long has he been doing it? I assume it is pro LoL? Is this why he has slumped lately?
It's a joke. No one knows for sure if he plays LoL or not.
I see... the op in the battle results made it sound like it was a fact.. apparently I missed the joke
On July 18 2013 15:28 Taf the Ghost wrote: Did Roro go "full foreigner" there?
Pretty much.
Ultras without infestors, meh-tier creep spread.
don't need Infestors if you upgrade and maintain your Muta cloud, as they kill everything that gets chased down by the Ultras, just have to pull back for a second if the Mutas got hit by a mine, to outheal it. I like how we have this super regenerate harassment unit now that was supposed to be the roach, just that it also flies.
On July 18 2013 15:31 PhoenixVoid wrote: Time to replace RorO as top three current Zerg? I remember Apollo and Kaelaris debating over top three Zergs and it went Soulkey, Life and RorO. After seeing this series, it would be safe to place HyuN as third in my mind.
On July 18 2013 15:30 groms wrote: man who sees bio and moves twelve ultras up a ramp into a dead end
roro continues his decline...
This is like the third negative post I see out of you and I haven't even followed the thread closely, don't you have something to watch that would cheer you up?
On July 18 2013 15:30 groms wrote: man who sees bio and moves twelve ultras up a ramp into a dead end
roro continues his decline...
This is like the third negative post I see out of you and I haven't even followed the thread closely, don't you have something to watch that would cheer you up?
I still remember the ultras are bad phase and a nice game on meta where the ultras always ran into dead ends, just to enter a nydus and pop up somewhere else xD. Roro forgot the nydus though.
On July 18 2013 15:30 groms wrote: man who sees bio and moves twelve ultras up a ramp into a dead end
roro continues his decline...
This is like the third negative post I see out of you and I haven't even followed the thread closely, don't you have something to watch that would cheer you up?
I still remember the ultras are bad phase and a nice game on meta where the ultras always ran into dead ends, just to enter a nydus and pop up somewhere else xD. Roro forgot the nydus though.
I remember vs hack when roro forgot 6 ultras in a nydus. Now that was hideous D:
I guess apparently Flying vs Dear is taking place right now because the schedule says it was to be played at 06:00 GMT (+00:00) today. Idk if they will bother delaying it because it's unbroadcasted and they have 4 booths.
Rumor is Life got the teams to agree to ARAM the last game so he could make it to the gom studio in time since TRUE beat Squirtle so quickly and messed the schedule up
On July 18 2013 15:40 mrtomjones wrote: Would be interesting to see the top Protoss. As was consistent with WoL it seems to be the spot that changes the most.
Main issue with defining top three Protoss is how rarely they win a tournament, so deciding a very certain top Protoss list is difficult. Secondly they tend do fare poorly in the Ro8 stage, often dropping out in the Ro16, so you don't see them succeed as much as their Zerg or Terran counterparts, leading to more debate over who is the better Ro16 player.
On July 18 2013 15:30 groms wrote: man who sees bio and moves twelve ultras up a ramp into a dead end
roro continues his decline...
This is like the third negative post I see out of you and I haven't even followed the thread closely, don't you have something to watch that would cheer you up?
I still remember the ultras are bad phase and a nice game on meta where the ultras always ran into dead ends, just to enter a nydus and pop up somewhere else xD. Roro forgot the nydus though.
I remember vs hack when roro forgot 6 ultras in a nydus. Now that was hideous D:
yeah the load bar of the Nydus is a bit to small you can forget half of your army in them and never notice >.<. Guess this new don't show full bars system helps there.
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
Hyun > sOo
Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.
On July 18 2013 15:30 BisuDagger wrote: GG! God Wolf and Khaldor are on fire today. Loving the casts. So excited there is one more match!
Thanks a lot :-) Really good games today as well! Hope Life vs jjakji will be as good as the last games!
I'm at work and I can't hear you guys T_T I'm sure you're kicking ass though as usual!
I'm actually doing more listening then watching the games since I've been busy but I still feel like I"m there. They add insight while play by play casting so well together.
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
Hyun > sOo
Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.
It's probably because soO and hyvaa are faceless KeSPA players to us and if they beat anyone "good" or that we think is really good, that means they're actually beating people we like.
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
Hyun > sOo
Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.
Frankly (and this is definitely my bias shining through) but neither of them are top 3 zerg because they are incomplete players. hyvaa's mid-lategame is extremely lacking and soO doesn't dominate the lower competition enough.
jjakji has another game to play. that one just spiraled out of control, i'ms urprised he didn't gg earlier to save his focus. just chiming in the thread to say that Roro and dreams series was great, even though it was 2-0 it was incredibly entertaining!
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
Hyun > sOo
Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.
I don't dislike either of them, I feel pretty neutral towards them. Hell, I don't even particularly like Hyun. But I feel like Hyun's been consistently good for longer than either of them. Hyvaa only recently has had a string of cheesy wins against a couple good players and sOo's been pretty good but nothing has really made him stand out to me.
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
Hyun > sOo
Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.
It's probably because soO and hyvaa are faceless KeSPA players to us and if they beat anyone "good" or that we think is really good, that means they're actually beating people we like.
more like soo is an skt zerg (eww) and hyvaa cheeses every game
On July 18 2013 15:55 Jacmert wrote: Yeahhhh, drone scout! I feel that the pro's should always worker scout fairly early, but then again what do I know...?
I agree with you, I always drone scout zvt, I would feel so scared not to just because of potential proxy rax xd
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
Hyun > sOo
Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.
I don't dislike either of them, I feel pretty neutral towards them. Hell, I don't even particularly like Hyun. But I feel like Hyun's been consistently good for longer than either of them. Hyvaa only recently has had a string of cheesy wins against a couple good players and sOo's been pretty good but nothing has really made him stand out to me.
Soo, being on SKT and not Fantasy or Protoss, gets no play time anyway.
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
Hyun > sOo
Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.
It's probably because soO and hyvaa are faceless KeSPA players to us and if they beat anyone "good" or that we think is really good, that means they're actually beating people we like.
more like soo is an skt zerg (eww) and hyvaa cheeses every game
Hyvaa is a full fledged member of the Injustice League.
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
Hyun > sOo
Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.
Frankly (and this is definitely my bias shining through) but neither of them are top 3 zerg because they are incomplete players. hyvaa's mid-lategame is extremely lacking and soO doesn't dominate the lower competition enough.
IMO Hyun isn't a good candidate either, maybe if you look at short-term performance, but in the long run I can hardly imagine him doing something big. He plays a lot, wins a lot but also loses a fair amount even against mediocre opponents. But most importantly he doesn't seem to have flair, which hinders his ability to reach great heights. He looks good against decent opponents but has never looked really threatening against the cream of the crop.
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
I didnt set the top 3. talk to WCS EU casters D:
Ah well, WCS EU casters all thought Mvp was done and wouldn't do anything so no point in convincing them of anything.
when did they say that?
I assume during the IEM Shanghai Korean qualifiers.
Nah, it was before Mvp made his first WCS EU run. Said he looked weak in his group stage matches. Also funnily, Bitter predicted Mvp would drop out of WCS World in groups.
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
I didnt set the top 3. talk to WCS EU casters D:
Ah well, WCS EU casters all thought Mvp was done and wouldn't do anything so no point in convincing them of anything.
when did they say that?
I assume during the IEM Shanghai Korean qualifiers.
Nah, it was before Mvp made his first WCS EU run. Said he looked weak in his group stage matches. Also funnily, Bitter predicted Mvp would drop out of WCS World in groups.
mr.bitter doesn't know anything about starcraft, never has.
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
Hyun > sOo
Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.
Frankly (and this is definitely my bias shining through) but neither of them are top 3 zerg because they are incomplete players. hyvaa's mid-lategame is extremely lacking and soO doesn't dominate the lower competition enough.
IMO Hyun isn't a good candidate either, maybe if you look at short-term performance, but in the long run I can hardly imagine him doing something big. He plays a lot, wins a lot but also loses a fair amount even against mediocre opponents. But most importantly he doesn't seem to have flair, which hinders his ability to reach great heights. He looks good against decent opponents but has never looked really threatening against the cream of the crop.
Have to disagree, HyuN has been playing very consistently against the cream of the crop recently. He performed solidly in MLG and narrowly lost to Polt, defeated LucifroN in the RSL Ro8 and fared well against some of the best Koreans in the IEM Shanghai Korean qualifiers. Occasionally he loses in an upset, but these are almost always in the early rounds of online tournaments or in ATC where Quantic is basically eliminated.
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
I didnt set the top 3. talk to WCS EU casters D:
Ah well, WCS EU casters all thought Mvp was done and wouldn't do anything so no point in convincing them of anything.
when did they say that?
I assume during the IEM Shanghai Korean qualifiers.
Nah, it was before Mvp made his first WCS EU run. Said he looked weak in his group stage matches. Also funnily, Bitter predicted Mvp would drop out of WCS World in groups.
mr.bitter doesn't know anything about starcraft, never has.
no score was updated for it yet so I guess they means they delayed it til the end of the show Flying vs Dear unbroadcasted Code A match should be taking place now. Winner faces PartinG for Code S
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
I didnt set the top 3. talk to WCS EU casters D:
Ah well, WCS EU casters all thought Mvp was done and wouldn't do anything so no point in convincing them of anything.
when did they say that?
I assume during the IEM Shanghai Korean qualifiers.
Nah, it was before Mvp made his first WCS EU run. Said he looked weak in his group stage matches. Also funnily, Bitter predicted Mvp would drop out of WCS World in groups.
mr.bitter doesn't know anything about starcraft, never has.
He says "I don't know kev" for a reason mang.
he used to be a good analytical for zergs if you could see past the bias. If you remember he first got famous taking lessons and shit from all the old pros (who are jokes now, but were competitive then)
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
Hyun > sOo
Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.
Frankly (and this is definitely my bias shining through) but neither of them are top 3 zerg because they are incomplete players. hyvaa's mid-lategame is extremely lacking and soO doesn't dominate the lower competition enough.
IMO Hyun isn't a good candidate either, maybe if you look at short-term performance, but in the long run I can hardly imagine him doing something big. He plays a lot, wins a lot but also loses a fair amount even against mediocre opponents. But most importantly he doesn't seem to have flair, which hinders his ability to reach great heights. He looks good against decent opponents but has never looked really threatening against the cream of the crop.
I don't think Hyun is a top 3 zerg. I don't think there is a top 3 to be argued besides Soulkey being the best. Zerg players are going through the classic period of instability during the beginning of a new SC game. It takes a long time for them to figure out how to discern and react appropriately to the new meta.
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
Hyun > sOo
Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.
Frankly (and this is definitely my bias shining through) but neither of them are top 3 zerg because they are incomplete players. hyvaa's mid-lategame is extremely lacking and soO doesn't dominate the lower competition enough.
IMO Hyun isn't a good candidate either, maybe if you look at short-term performance, but in the long run I can hardly imagine him doing something big. He plays a lot, wins a lot but also loses a fair amount even against mediocre opponents. But most importantly he doesn't seem to have flair, which hinders his ability to reach great heights. He looks good against decent opponents but has never looked really threatening against the cream of the crop.
Have to disagree, HyuN has been playing very consistently against the cream of the crop recently. He performed solidly in MLG and narrowly lost to Polt, defeated LucifroN in the RSL Ro8 and fared well against some of the best Koreans in the IEM Shanghai Korean qualifiers. Occasionally he loses in an upset, but these are almost always in the early rounds of online tournaments or in ATC where Quantic is basically eliminated.
Right, Hyun is not only in great shape, but also fairly stilistic with his viper usage e.g. The reason he doesn´t get as much attention is because he doesn´t play in proleague four times a week.
On July 18 2013 15:33 Shellshock1122 wrote: Assuming the top 3 are Soulkey, Life, and originally RorO from Apollo and Kaelaris's conversation
Poll: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
HyuN (17)
53%
other (7)
22%
soO (5)
16%
RorO is still top 3 (3)
9%
32 total votes
Your vote: Who replaces RorO as a top 3 zerg?
(Vote): soO (Vote): HyuN (Vote): RorO is still top 3 (Vote): other
I disagree with Life and Roro being in there. It's Soulkey, Symbol and Soo.
Hyun > sOo
Why do people seem to dont like neither soO or hyvaa ? They are finally seeing some result in starcraft 2, is it because the other guys are too popular ? They haven't been playing perfect, but hey, they are playing in the hardest league in the world, they can't beat everyone, i dont get why there is so little credit to their improvement.
Frankly (and this is definitely my bias shining through) but neither of them are top 3 zerg because they are incomplete players. hyvaa's mid-lategame is extremely lacking and soO doesn't dominate the lower competition enough.
IMO Hyun isn't a good candidate either, maybe if you look at short-term performance, but in the long run I can hardly imagine him doing something big. He plays a lot, wins a lot but also loses a fair amount even against mediocre opponents. But most importantly he doesn't seem to have flair, which hinders his ability to reach great heights. He looks good against decent opponents but has never looked really threatening against the cream of the crop.
Have to disagree, HyuN has been playing very consistently against the cream of the crop recently. He performed solidly in MLG and narrowly lost to Polt, defeated LucifroN in the RSL Ro8 and fared well against some of the best Koreans in the IEM Shanghai Korean qualifiers. Occasionally he loses in an upset, but these are almost always in the early rounds of online tournaments or in ATC where Quantic is basically eliminated.
But that's exactly the point. He does well and does it often, but he also plays a lot. Sure he can perform on an even footing with Code-S class players (he was/is Code-S class after all), but he's never stood out as the zerg to watch out for. Like Life, Leenock, DRG, Soulkey, Nestea, Stephano - even Losira to some extent - each had their own time. His best period was probably around IPL5 when he went up against Sniper, but that season was wacky from the get-go and a lot of his hype came from the IPL Fight Clubs which was really like "oh cool this guy has had an insane run, let's hope he caps it with a big win" than "how can you even beat him when he's on".
My point is that despite his good records and competitive skill, he's never had the scary aura that other top zergs had. Maybe it's just that the stars didn't align for him or it's the way his playstyle looks, maybe he's really lacking something. TBH I don't watch enough of him (and of SC2 in general) to know, but it's the impression on a casual fan like me. Though to be honest none of the zerg stars look good at the moment except for Soulkey, so he might just make the list because of it.
MarineKing actually looked a lot better this time. He had some static defenses up even before he was attacked (!), he tried some drops (!!), and game 3 looked actually pretty close to what Innovation does in that matchup, although Shine isn't exactly a tip-top Zerg. Is he starting to evolve!?
On July 18 2013 20:29 DrPandaPhD wrote: Happy Jjakji lost, hope he drops out of Code A next season
Is this because of GSL November 2011?
Partly, but it's more than he became irrelevant right after he did it. Like if you are going to beat Leenock in a Code S final at least be good. I don't mind Leenock losing the MLG finals because Life is actually really good and has done more than just that MLG. I hate Jjakji because he was a one-hit wonder when Leenock had his big chance on winning on Korean soil which pretty much is every Koreans dream. And now Jjakji has been irrelevant for so long he should just stay irrelevant forever, fuck that guy.
I still believe that Leenock one day will be a GSL / OSL champion. It just could have happened so much earlier.
On July 18 2013 20:29 DrPandaPhD wrote: Happy Jjakji lost, hope he drops out of Code A next season
Is this because of GSL November 2011?
Partly, but it's more than he became irrelevant right after he did it. Like if you are going to beat Leenock in a Code S final at least be good. I don't mind Leenock losing the MLG finals because Life is actually really good and has done more than just that MLG. I hate Jjakji because he was a one-hit wonder when Leenock had his big chance on winning on Korean soil which pretty much is every Koreans dream. And now Jjakji has been irrelevant for so long he should just stay irrelevant forever, fuck that guy.
I still believe that Leenock one day will be a GSL / OSL champion. It just could have happened so much earlier.
This is kind of a silly reason to hate on a player, especially because he actually only really became irrelevant after the patch that destroyed MKP (just after winning 2-3 MLGs against a solid DRG) as well . The season before he lost a few TvTs, that was never his strong suit and some PvP against very hard protosses, but at the time he had one sick TvZ style and was actually playing better than Leenock during these finals. And I'm sure that if he hadn't played his RO24 code A one day after the patch he would have beaten Symbol and everything would have been different.
Like you can blame any terran for being irrelevant during the rest of 2012 when only one terran at a time was capable to go "far" in GSL every season.
On July 18 2013 20:29 DrPandaPhD wrote: Happy Jjakji lost, hope he drops out of Code A next season
Is this because of GSL November 2011?
Partly, but it's more than he became irrelevant right after he did it. Like if you are going to beat Leenock in a Code S final at least be good. I don't mind Leenock losing the MLG finals because Life is actually really good and has done more than just that MLG. I hate Jjakji because he was a one-hit wonder when Leenock had his big chance on winning on Korean soil which pretty much is every Koreans dream. And now Jjakji has been irrelevant for so long he should just stay irrelevant forever, fuck that guy.
I still believe that Leenock one day will be a GSL / OSL champion. It just could have happened so much earlier.
This is kind of a silly reason to hate on a player, especially because he actually only really became irrelevant after the patch that destroyed MKP (just after winning 2-3 MLGs against a solid DRG) as well . The season before he lost a few TvTs, that was never his strong suit and some PvP against very hard protosses, but at the time he had one sick TvZ style and was actually playing better than Leenock during these finals. And I'm sure that if he hadn't played his RO24 code A one day after the patch he would have beaten Symbol and everything would have been different.
Like you can blame any terran for being irrelevant during the rest of 2012 when only one terran at a time was capable to go "far" in GSL every season.
Yes he was playing better than Leenock during the finals. As I said he was a one-hit wonder. He played really good one season and then he's been shit all other times.
Difference in being irrelevant and not going far. There were a lot of terrans who managed to stay Code S, even Code A, which makes them relevant. People talked about them. no one ever said anything about Jjakji. Don't have to win a GSL to stay relevant. Bomber, Ryung, MKP, Taeja, ByuN, Maru, Polt, Gumiho are just some of the terrans who stayed relevant during 2012.
"This is kind of a silly reason to hate on a player" Except for Drama-queens, tell me one better reason to hate a player? He crushed my (by far) favourite player's dream and then dropped out of the scene. Not because he wanted, but because he played like shit. If Leenock lost to players like Life, Mvp, DRG, Taeja, Bomber, PartinG etc he could think "At least I lost to someone who is really good at Starcraft." Because they all stayed relevant. Yeah, they have all had their slumps but at least they have been relevant for most of the time. But now he lost to someone who actually is not very good at all and had 1 dream run.
I think we can both agree, that Leenock has proven himself to be the better SC2 player.
And I think we can both agree that Jjakji is the most irrelevant Code S champion of all time.
So once again, tell me one better reason to hate a player?
On July 18 2013 20:29 DrPandaPhD wrote: Happy Jjakji lost, hope he drops out of Code A next season
Is this because of GSL November 2011?
Partly, but it's more than he became irrelevant right after he did it. Like if you are going to beat Leenock in a Code S final at least be good. I don't mind Leenock losing the MLG finals because Life is actually really good and has done more than just that MLG. I hate Jjakji because he was a one-hit wonder when Leenock had his big chance on winning on Korean soil which pretty much is every Koreans dream. And now Jjakji has been irrelevant for so long he should just stay irrelevant forever, fuck that guy.
I still believe that Leenock one day will be a GSL / OSL champion. It just could have happened so much earlier.
This is kind of a silly reason to hate on a player, especially because he actually only really became irrelevant after the patch that destroyed MKP (just after winning 2-3 MLGs against a solid DRG) as well . The season before he lost a few TvTs, that was never his strong suit and some PvP against very hard protosses, but at the time he had one sick TvZ style and was actually playing better than Leenock during these finals. And I'm sure that if he hadn't played his RO24 code A one day after the patch he would have beaten Symbol and everything would have been different.
Like you can blame any terran for being irrelevant during the rest of 2012 when only one terran at a time was capable to go "far" in GSL every season.
Yes he was playing better than Leenock during the finals. As I said he was a one-hit wonder. He played really good one season and then he's been shit all other times.
Difference in being irrelevant and not going far. There were a lot of terrans who managed to stay Code S, even Code A, which makes them relevant. People talked about them. no one ever said anything about Jjakji. Don't have to win a GSL to stay relevant. Bomber, Ryung, MKP, Taeja, ByuN, Maru, Polt, Gumiho are just some of the terrans who stayed relevant during 2012.
"This is kind of a silly reason to hate on a player" Except for Drama-queens, tell me one better reason to hate a player? He crushed my (by far) favourite player's dream and then dropped out of the scene. Not because he wanted, but because he played like shit. If Leenock lost to players like Life, Mvp, DRG, Taeja, Bomber, PartinG etc he could think "At least I lost to someone who is really good at Starcraft." Because they all stayed relevant. Yeah, they have all had their slumps but at least they have been relevant for most of the time. But now he lost to someone who actually is not very good at all and had 1 dream run.
I think we can both agree, that Leenock has proven himself to be the better SC2 player.
And I think we can both agree that Jjakji is the most irrelevant Code S champion of all time.
So once again, tell me one better reason to hate a player?
On July 18 2013 20:29 DrPandaPhD wrote: Happy Jjakji lost, hope he drops out of Code A next season
Is this because of GSL November 2011?
Partly, but it's more than he became irrelevant right after he did it. Like if you are going to beat Leenock in a Code S final at least be good. I don't mind Leenock losing the MLG finals because Life is actually really good and has done more than just that MLG. I hate Jjakji because he was a one-hit wonder when Leenock had his big chance on winning on Korean soil which pretty much is every Koreans dream. And now Jjakji has been irrelevant for so long he should just stay irrelevant forever, fuck that guy.
I still believe that Leenock one day will be a GSL / OSL champion. It just could have happened so much earlier.
This is kind of a silly reason to hate on a player, especially because he actually only really became irrelevant after the patch that destroyed MKP (just after winning 2-3 MLGs against a solid DRG) as well . The season before he lost a few TvTs, that was never his strong suit and some PvP against very hard protosses, but at the time he had one sick TvZ style and was actually playing better than Leenock during these finals. And I'm sure that if he hadn't played his RO24 code A one day after the patch he would have beaten Symbol and everything would have been different.
Like you can blame any terran for being irrelevant during the rest of 2012 when only one terran at a time was capable to go "far" in GSL every season.
Yes he was playing better than Leenock during the finals. As I said he was a one-hit wonder. He played really good one season and then he's been shit all other times.
Difference in being irrelevant and not going far. There were a lot of terrans who managed to stay Code S, even Code A, which makes them relevant. People talked about them. no one ever said anything about Jjakji. Don't have to win a GSL to stay relevant. Bomber, Ryung, MKP, Taeja, ByuN, Maru, Polt, Gumiho are just some of the terrans who stayed relevant during 2012.
"This is kind of a silly reason to hate on a player" Except for Drama-queens, tell me one better reason to hate a player? He crushed my (by far) favourite player's dream and then dropped out of the scene. Not because he wanted, but because he played like shit. If Leenock lost to players like Life, Mvp, DRG, Taeja, Bomber, PartinG etc he could think "At least I lost to someone who is really good at Starcraft." Because they all stayed relevant. Yeah, they have all had their slumps but at least they have been relevant for most of the time. But now he lost to someone who actually is not very good at all and had 1 dream run.
I think we can both agree, that Leenock has proven himself to be the better SC2 player.
And I think we can both agree that Jjakji is the most irrelevant Code S champion of all time.
So once again, tell me one better reason to hate a player?
On July 18 2013 20:29 DrPandaPhD wrote: Happy Jjakji lost, hope he drops out of Code A next season
Is this because of GSL November 2011?
Partly, but it's more than he became irrelevant right after he did it. Like if you are going to beat Leenock in a Code S final at least be good. I don't mind Leenock losing the MLG finals because Life is actually really good and has done more than just that MLG. I hate Jjakji because he was a one-hit wonder when Leenock had his big chance on winning on Korean soil which pretty much is every Koreans dream. And now Jjakji has been irrelevant for so long he should just stay irrelevant forever, fuck that guy.
I still believe that Leenock one day will be a GSL / OSL champion. It just could have happened so much earlier.
This is kind of a silly reason to hate on a player, especially because he actually only really became irrelevant after the patch that destroyed MKP (just after winning 2-3 MLGs against a solid DRG) as well . The season before he lost a few TvTs, that was never his strong suit and some PvP against very hard protosses, but at the time he had one sick TvZ style and was actually playing better than Leenock during these finals. And I'm sure that if he hadn't played his RO24 code A one day after the patch he would have beaten Symbol and everything would have been different.
Like you can blame any terran for being irrelevant during the rest of 2012 when only one terran at a time was capable to go "far" in GSL every season.
Yes he was playing better than Leenock during the finals. As I said he was a one-hit wonder. He played really good one season and then he's been shit all other times.
Difference in being irrelevant and not going far. There were a lot of terrans who managed to stay Code S, even Code A, which makes them relevant. People talked about them. no one ever said anything about Jjakji. Don't have to win a GSL to stay relevant. Bomber, Ryung, MKP, Taeja, ByuN, Maru, Polt, Gumiho are just some of the terrans who stayed relevant during 2012.
"This is kind of a silly reason to hate on a player" Except for Drama-queens, tell me one better reason to hate a player? He crushed my (by far) favourite player's dream and then dropped out of the scene. Not because he wanted, but because he played like shit. If Leenock lost to players like Life, Mvp, DRG, Taeja, Bomber, PartinG etc he could think "At least I lost to someone who is really good at Starcraft." Because they all stayed relevant. Yeah, they have all had their slumps but at least they have been relevant for most of the time. But now he lost to someone who actually is not very good at all and had 1 dream run.
I think we can both agree, that Leenock has proven himself to be the better SC2 player.
And I think we can both agree that Jjakji is the most irrelevant Code S champion of all time.
So once again, tell me one better reason to hate a player?
One name, Sniper.
Seed
Well, Seed is actually doing things right now. Not big things but things
On July 18 2013 20:29 DrPandaPhD wrote: Happy Jjakji lost, hope he drops out of Code A next season
Is this because of GSL November 2011?
Partly, but it's more than he became irrelevant right after he did it. Like if you are going to beat Leenock in a Code S final at least be good. I don't mind Leenock losing the MLG finals because Life is actually really good and has done more than just that MLG. I hate Jjakji because he was a one-hit wonder when Leenock had his big chance on winning on Korean soil which pretty much is every Koreans dream. And now Jjakji has been irrelevant for so long he should just stay irrelevant forever, fuck that guy.
I still believe that Leenock one day will be a GSL / OSL champion. It just could have happened so much earlier.
This is kind of a silly reason to hate on a player, especially because he actually only really became irrelevant after the patch that destroyed MKP (just after winning 2-3 MLGs against a solid DRG) as well . The season before he lost a few TvTs, that was never his strong suit and some PvP against very hard protosses, but at the time he had one sick TvZ style and was actually playing better than Leenock during these finals. And I'm sure that if he hadn't played his RO24 code A one day after the patch he would have beaten Symbol and everything would have been different.
Like you can blame any terran for being irrelevant during the rest of 2012 when only one terran at a time was capable to go "far" in GSL every season.
Yes he was playing better than Leenock during the finals. As I said he was a one-hit wonder. He played really good one season and then he's been shit all other times.
Difference in being irrelevant and not going far. There were a lot of terrans who managed to stay Code S, even Code A, which makes them relevant. People talked about them. no one ever said anything about Jjakji. Don't have to win a GSL to stay relevant. Bomber, Ryung, MKP, Taeja, ByuN, Maru, Polt, Gumiho are just some of the terrans who stayed relevant during 2012.
"This is kind of a silly reason to hate on a player" Except for Drama-queens, tell me one better reason to hate a player? He crushed my (by far) favourite player's dream and then dropped out of the scene. Not because he wanted, but because he played like shit. If Leenock lost to players like Life, Mvp, DRG, Taeja, Bomber, PartinG etc he could think "At least I lost to someone who is really good at Starcraft." Because they all stayed relevant. Yeah, they have all had their slumps but at least they have been relevant for most of the time. But now he lost to someone who actually is not very good at all and had 1 dream run.
I think we can both agree, that Leenock has proven himself to be the better SC2 player.
And I think we can both agree that Jjakji is the most irrelevant Code S champion of all time.
So once again, tell me one better reason to hate a player?
One name, Sniper.
Seed
Well, Seed is actually doing things right now. Not big things but things
Sniper all killed a gstl semifinalist team yesterday
mma could make a case for being the champion with the hardest fall i.e. over a period of a few months he changed from #1 to pretty irrelevant while the other three weren't really considered the best of their time
On July 19 2013 09:35 opterown wrote: mma could make a case for being the champion with the hardest fall i.e. over a period of a few months he changed from #1 to pretty irrelevant while the other three weren't really considered the best of their time
Yeah this is pretty much it - but that is with all the drama in SlayerS. Also he is still a huge fan favourite and thus still relevant in the scene.
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