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This is the 2nd day of Code A/Challenger league Ro48. We have yet again 4 more matches let's look at them and predict the future of who will win!
Shine vs Seed First up we have Former GSL Champ Seed and the aggressive player Shine. This match on paper slightly favors Shine however what we have seen of Seed's of PvZ is not much, only 3 games to be exact, all vs the foreigner Snute, what we saw in that series was a series of mistakes by Seed, that cannot happen if he wants to win vs Shine here, he will have to play defensive and solid to win, and I think he can do that as long as he studies opponent and knows how to counter him correctly.
Ahh it's Life the former child superstar for Startale, he rose quick to fame but slowly fell from his throne and now he's facing Kop a relatively unknown player in an elimination match from WCS. If Life were to lose this it would mean something however he most likely won't.(80% chance of him winning calculated by my super secret math formulas) If I were to mention one thing about Kop it would be that his TvZ is rather hard to judge based on his win/loss record alone due to the opponents he's played and beaten(zenio & Savage both players with less than 50% win ratios in the match up), and the opponents he's lost to (jaedong & Mekia).
Predicition: Life 2-0 Kop
Trust vs jjakji And we have another former GSL champion(4 of them to be exact) playing in jjakji. Jjakji has a sorrowful tale, he beat someone in the finals no one expected him to beat(Leenock) and since then has had a greater fall then mount Everest. However things can start to look up for him if he can win today and secure his spot in WCS. Trust has played a number of games but hasn't won very many of them with a 25% win ratio(3 wins - 9 losses). Looking at the match jjakji is favored here not by much to the point where it's odds like Sjow's chances at beating Life(7% or so) but it's more like 70:30 in jjakji's favor.
Prediction: jjakji 2-0 Trust
RorO vs Billowy(aka Lure) The final match is between RorO and Billowy. Another GSL champion vs a very experienced player but underdog player. This match favors RorO but not a lot the are odds in favour of RorO and would be something like 60:40. Prediction: RorO 2-1 Billowy
1st Day: The expected occurred 2nd Day: GSTL players strike back. 3rd day: Will the GSTL players continue to pour it on or will the SPL players strike back!?
Find out in 6 hours on the next episode of Code A!
Call me crazy, but I think eSF will win all of these. Yes, even Lure (Billowy), he was a decent upcoming code A protoss towards the end of WoL and RorO hasn't looked quite as impressive to me in HotS.
Regardless of what happens though, Seed MUST eliminate Shine >_<;
Jjakji time!!! This will be ez for him, Trust is the less-successful-than-Bunny CJ rookie and jjakji's best matchup was TvP for most (except his championship days) of his career.
Wut, Aligulac says TvZ was his best matchup for his entire career. How weird.
On July 11 2013 08:38 slowbacontron wrote: Jjakji time!!! This will be ez for him, Trust is the less-successful-than-Bunny CJ rookie and jjakji's best matchup was TvP for most (except his championship days) of his career.
Wut, Aligulac says TvZ was his best matchup for his entire career. How weird.
Also says TvP was his worst for the majority of his career... lol
On July 11 2013 08:38 slowbacontron wrote: Jjakji time!!! This will be ez for him, Trust is the less-successful-than-Bunny CJ rookie and jjakji's best matchup was TvP for most (except his championship days) of his career.
Wut, Aligulac says TvZ was his best matchup for his entire career. How weird.
Also says TvP was his worst for the majority of his career... lol
Well, his road to the GSL championship was littered with Protosses. Suffice it to say.
This is the 2nd day of Code A/Challenger league Ro48. We have yet again 4 more matches let's look at them and predict the future of who will win!
Shine vs Seed First up we have Former GSL Champ Seed and the aggressive player Shine. This match on paper slightly favors Shine however what we have seen of Seed's of PvZ is not much, only 3 games to be exact, all vs the foreigner Snute, what we saw in that series was a series of mistakes by Seed, that cannot happen if he wants to win vs Shine here, he will have to play defensive and solid to win, and I think he can do that as long as he studies opponent and knows how to counter him correctly.
Ahh it's Life the former child superstar for Startale, he rose quick to fame but slowly fell from his throne and now he's facing Kop a relatively unknown player in an elimination match from WCS. If Life were to lose this it would mean something however he most likely won't.(80% chance of him winning calculated by my super secret math formulas) If I were to mention one thing about Kop it would be that his TvZ is rather hard to judge based on his win/loss record alone due to the opponents he's played and beaten(zenio & Savage both players with less than 50% win ratios in the match up), and the opponents he's lost to (jaedong & Mekia).
Predicition: Life 2-0 Kop
Trust vs jjakji And we have another former GSL champion(4 of them to be exact) playing in jjakji. Jjakji has a sorrowful tale, he beat someone in the finals no one expected him to beat(Leenock) and since then has had a greater fall then mount Everest. However things can start to look up for him if he can win today and secure his spot in WCS. Trust has played a number of games but hasn't won very many of them with a 25% win ratio(3 wins - 9 losses). Looking at the match jjakji is favored here not by much to the point where it's odds like Sjow's chances at beating Life(7% or so) but it's more like 70:30 in jjakji's favor.
Prediction: jjakji 2-0 Trust
RorO vs Billowy(aka Lure) The final matych is between RorO and Billowy. Another GSL champion vs a very experienced player but underdog player. This match favors RorO but not but a lot odds in favour of RorO would be something like 60:40. Prediction: RorO 2-1 Billowy
On July 11 2013 13:06 Tobblish wrote: The real question is if Shine is going to play a macro game or go all in (or at least play very Shinesk aggressively)
On July 11 2013 13:12 suicideyear wrote: i love this map
WCS America and EU should have some region specific maps like this
america can have new york or a mcdonalds or something
eu can have a map based off of the swiss alps with yodeling marauders
Same for me. I love how dynamic the map is. The only thing I'm not to fond of are those beach table/chairs. The few games I've seen on it, the pathing of units get a bit messy around that area.
Twitch has been absolutely unwatchable from brazil past couple of weeks or so I kinda gave up on it for a while... checked today.. yup. still terrible. Anyone else having issues?
On July 11 2013 13:21 sibs wrote: Twitch has been absolutely unwatchable from brazil past couple of weeks or so I kinda gave up on it for a while... checked today.. yup. still terrible. Anyone else having issues?
On July 11 2013 13:21 sibs wrote: Twitch has been absolutely unwatchable from brazil past couple of weeks or so I kinda gave up on it for a while... checked today.. yup. still terrible. Anyone else having issues?
Is going phoenix a lost cause here? There's so many mutas, is he going to be able to ward him off until he gets a dozen or so phoenix without Shine taking the map?
If he had opened stargate he would've scouted the spire and could've added a second stargate while picking off the initial mutas. Now it's too late as Shine got the spire unscouted and could build a critical mass.
On July 11 2013 13:36 CosmicSpiral wrote: If he had opened stargate he would've scouted the spire and could've added a second stargate while picking off the initial mutas. Now it's too late as Shine got the spire unscouted and could build a critical mass.
It's not critical if you run it into a bunch of blink stalkers, phoenix, and photon overcharge. 0_0
On July 11 2013 13:38 Holdenintherye wrote: Holy crap wtf just happened?
Looked like an A move into face roll that was way too overconfident and got smashed.
On July 11 2013 13:36 CosmicSpiral wrote: If he had opened stargate he would've scouted the spire and could've added a second stargate while picking off the initial mutas. Now it's too late as Shine got the spire unscouted and could build a critical mass.
It's not critical if you run it into a bunch of blink stalkers, phoenix, and photon overcharge. 0_0
Ain't Seed lucky that Shine didn't go to engagement school? ^_~
On July 11 2013 13:36 CosmicSpiral wrote: If he had opened stargate he would've scouted the spire and could've added a second stargate while picking off the initial mutas. Now it's too late as Shine got the spire unscouted and could build a critical mass.
It's not critical if you run it into a bunch of blink stalkers, phoenix, and photon overcharge. 0_0
Ain't Seed lucky that Shine didn't go to engagement school? ^_~
Yeah, that was horrible to watch. The only think keeping him in this right now is he has like 4 mining bases to Seed's 2 and close to equivalent upgrades.
I like how Shine forced Seed into making one of two bad decisions. He could play safe and slowly die to SH or he could be decisive and try to kill the SH, but likely overextend.
On July 11 2013 13:43 Fig wrote: the casters make it seem back and forth, Shine has been super ahead this whole time since the first mutas
I would say Seed was leading when Shine crashed against the FFs at Seed's third. He basically had no army left, and had Seed gone all in with a bunch of zealots and blink stalkers that he had, I think he could have won.
excellent overall game by shine. yes, he had some bad engagements. but he never got stuck in a certain tech path or decided "I kill him now or I lose." he transitioned when he needed to. he attacked when he needed to. he did runbys when he needed to. great mentality, fun to watch!
On July 11 2013 13:43 Fig wrote: the casters make it seem back and forth, Shine has been super ahead this whole time since the first mutas
I would say Seed was leading when Shine crashed against the FFs at Seed's third. He basically had no army left, and had Seed gone all in with a bunch of zealots and blink stalkers that he had, I think he could have won.
He had no army left but he had a huge bank. He could have made anything at that point in the game and won. After Seed tried to counter those mutas with something that wasn't phoenixes, it was over.
On July 11 2013 13:43 Fig wrote: the casters make it seem back and forth, Shine has been super ahead this whole time since the first mutas
I would say Seed was leading when Shine crashed against the FFs at Seed's third. He basically had no army left, and had Seed gone all in with a bunch of zealots and blink stalkers that he had, I think he could have won.
He had no army left but he had a huge bank. He could have made anything at that point in the game and won. After Seed tried to counter those mutas with something that wasn't phoenixes, it was over.
Hmm, I somewhat disagree. Seed had killed the third, which Shine immediately retook at 10 o'clock. Shine was barely on 3 base to Seed's healthy 3 when Seed could have pushed. Whether it would have been enough, we'll never know. After that, I agree, the hesitation allowed Shine to get up basically unlimited money.
Muta switch caught Seed completely off-guard, and the upgrades were significantly in favor of Shine anyways. Great game, albeit sloppy, but good to see BLs used for once.
On July 11 2013 13:51 suicideyear wrote: leave it to shine to drag a game out to 40 mins when he could've won it in 20 with those roach/ling/muta running around in seed's main and natural
but then he wouldn't be shine, would he?
Of all the ways you can stereotype Shine, that isnt really one of them.
On July 11 2013 13:42 CosmicSpiral wrote: Does Shine know the concept of "when you're ahead, get more ahead"?
He had like 7 bases running very well. That's the ultimate definition of being ahead.
I think that post was written before he got everything up. Shine did fantastic muta damage, and then was turned back by blink stalkers and phoenix, but then took a questionable engagement at Seed's third with roaches and hydras. Weird decision to attack instead of keeping up the harass and taking a bunch of bases all over the map.
Okay, Life. I'll forgive you for how you've disappointed me so much recently, just win this one match, please. Don't get knocked out in the first round by a guy who is new to WCS KR.
On July 11 2013 14:01 stuchiu wrote: Fun fact, if you scout a double rax like that, if you do a Catz hatch you are miles and miles ahead of Terran.
Care to elaborate on this? Can't they just kill the hatch and move on with their lives?
Like if you scout an early 2 rax and they decide to not do it like kOp here or you force them to cancel, they are always forced to cc first on the highground and get a later rax. Because of the late rax, they cannot get a bunker near your hatch and snipe the early creep tumor, nor can they get a fast raven and tank to clear out the creep. By the time they can, you are on 3 base 70 drone lair tech ith 1/1.
On July 11 2013 14:01 stuchiu wrote: Fun fact, if you scout a double rax like that, if you do a Catz hatch you are miles and miles ahead of Terran.
Care to elaborate on this? Can't they just kill the hatch and move on with their lives?
Like if you scout an early 2 rax and they decide to not do it like kOp here or you force them to cancel, they are always forced to cc first on the highground and get a later rax. Because of the late rax, they cannot get a bunker near your hatch and snipe the early creep tumor, nor can they get a fast raven and tank to clear out the creep. By the time they can, you are on 3 base 70 drone lair tech ith 1/1.
Oh, so you're saying if you hold up an 11/11 or something, they're going to go 14 CC (or whatever) and then you do it. I missed the beginning of the game, and was confused because I thought you were talking about this opener, which I thought was Rax --> CC.
so much talk from khaldor, how do he know life thinks like this? My guess is he was just not happy with game1 but going on a story like this from khaldor is ugly
On July 11 2013 14:17 Foxxan wrote: so much talk from khaldor, how do he know life thinks like this? My guess is he was just not happy with game1 but going on a story like this from khaldor is ugly
that wasn't a bad game from Kop besides losing the third command center, which he could have avoided if he wasn't preoccupied with babysitting his army;
considering the bad position he was in the game (failed 11/11 barracks, failed hellbat drops).
On July 11 2013 14:17 Foxxan wrote: so much talk from khaldor, how do he know life thinks like this? My guess is he was just not happy with game1 but going on a story like this from khaldor is ugly
I'd be surprised if Life wasn't disappointed in himself for even having to play Kop.
On July 11 2013 14:16 Vindicare605 wrote: Life is looking strong, but his play is lacking the almost arrogant confidence he always used to play with.
Like he's sword fighting with fear of actually being hit where before it almost looked like he was convinced his opponent could never hit him.
definitely feels like this, unfortunately when you've fallen to 1 bo3 from code B, i guess it's hard to be overconfident
I feel like part of what made his play so strong before WAS his confidence though, without that confidence he just doesn't look like he's as elite as he was before.
Don't get me wrong he definitely looks strong and easily Code S level, but his play has lost that look of being untouchable.
On July 11 2013 14:16 Vindicare605 wrote: Life is looking strong, but his play is lacking the almost arrogant confidence he always used to play with.
Like he's sword fighting with fear of actually being hit where before it almost looked like he was convinced his opponent could never hit him.
He was playing like this since the beginning of HotS. Widow mines will do that to a zerg.
His play in MLG Dallas had that confidence, he hasn't looked the same since he got knocked out of the group of death. Prior to that he looked untouchable.
On July 11 2013 14:16 Vindicare605 wrote: Life is looking strong, but his play is lacking the almost arrogant confidence he always used to play with.
Like he's sword fighting with fear of actually being hit where before it almost looked like he was convinced his opponent could never hit him.
He was playing like this since the beginning of HotS. Widow mines will do that to a zerg.
His play in MLG Dallas had that confidence, he hasn't looked the same since he got knocked out of the group of death. Prior to that he looked untouchable.
maybe it's because he got knocked out by a white guy last time he was careless
On July 11 2013 14:16 Vindicare605 wrote: Life is looking strong, but his play is lacking the almost arrogant confidence he always used to play with.
Like he's sword fighting with fear of actually being hit where before it almost looked like he was convinced his opponent could never hit him.
He was playing like this since the beginning of HotS. Widow mines will do that to a zerg.
His play in MLG Dallas had that confidence, he hasn't looked the same since he got knocked out of the group of death. Prior to that he looked untouchable.
maybe it's because he got knocked out by a white guy last time he was careless
I was gonna say... he must have gotten a lot of shit from his teammates/other Koreans for losing to SjoW lol
On July 11 2013 14:16 Vindicare605 wrote: Life is looking strong, but his play is lacking the almost arrogant confidence he always used to play with.
Like he's sword fighting with fear of actually being hit where before it almost looked like he was convinced his opponent could never hit him.
He was playing like this since the beginning of HotS. Widow mines will do that to a zerg.
His play in MLG Dallas had that confidence, he hasn't looked the same since he got knocked out of the group of death. Prior to that he looked untouchable.
maybe it's because he got knocked out by a white guy last time he was careless
I feel like he lost vs Sjow because of that change in mindset, like he was constantly second guessing himself.
I don't think he lost vs Sjow because he was careless, I think he lost because he was trying to be too careful and that was messing with his mindset which was one of his greatest strengths.
On July 11 2013 14:16 Vindicare605 wrote: Life is looking strong, but his play is lacking the almost arrogant confidence he always used to play with.
Like he's sword fighting with fear of actually being hit where before it almost looked like he was convinced his opponent could never hit him.
He was playing like this since the beginning of HotS. Widow mines will do that to a zerg.
His play in MLG Dallas had that confidence, he hasn't looked the same since he got knocked out of the group of death. Prior to that he looked untouchable.
maybe it's because he got knocked out by a white guy last time he was careless
I feel like he lost vs Sjow because of that change in mindset, like he was constantly second guessing himself.
I don't think he lost vs Sjow because he was careless, I think he lost because he was trying to be too careful and that was messing with his mindset which was one of his greatest strengths.
That's just my speculation though.
Ignoring the mines and rallying everything over them must be considered careless though
this is really awkward. kop is going to start running out of space for buildings and his big units in that small corner but he has mules. life has the opposite problem. he has bases in 3 corners and not as much economy.
On July 11 2013 14:16 Vindicare605 wrote: Life is looking strong, but his play is lacking the almost arrogant confidence he always used to play with.
Like he's sword fighting with fear of actually being hit where before it almost looked like he was convinced his opponent could never hit him.
He was playing like this since the beginning of HotS. Widow mines will do that to a zerg.
His play in MLG Dallas had that confidence, he hasn't looked the same since he got knocked out of the group of death. Prior to that he looked untouchable.
Errr, at MLG Dallas he was carefully picking off widow mines and splitting his units just like he does now. Besides the faster lair timing he's not playing any differently.
On July 11 2013 14:16 Vindicare605 wrote: Life is looking strong, but his play is lacking the almost arrogant confidence he always used to play with.
Like he's sword fighting with fear of actually being hit where before it almost looked like he was convinced his opponent could never hit him.
He was playing like this since the beginning of HotS. Widow mines will do that to a zerg.
His play in MLG Dallas had that confidence, he hasn't looked the same since he got knocked out of the group of death. Prior to that he looked untouchable.
Errr, at MLG Dallas he was carefully picking off widow mines and splitting his units just like he does now. Besides the faster lair timing he's not playing any differently.
He's playing less economically and more tech focused due to hellbat drops, he doesn't want to build roaches vs Hellbats, so he rushes Mutas, and tries to hold with ling/spine until they are out.
Woo life avoids code b. Looked strong today and yeah he didn't play with his usual arrogance and confidence, but that's only because you can't with widow mines. He played a lot more cautiously in battles today and didn't over commit like he did against sjow and his other losses. He didn't overwhelm with the swarm battles because you lose too much to mines if you do that unless you have an overwhelming force. He did a good job taking a lot of small fights.
On July 11 2013 14:16 Vindicare605 wrote: Life is looking strong, but his play is lacking the almost arrogant confidence he always used to play with.
Like he's sword fighting with fear of actually being hit where before it almost looked like he was convinced his opponent could never hit him.
He was playing like this since the beginning of HotS. Widow mines will do that to a zerg.
His play in MLG Dallas had that confidence, he hasn't looked the same since he got knocked out of the group of death. Prior to that he looked untouchable.
Errr, at MLG Dallas he was carefully picking off widow mines and splitting his units just like he does now. Besides the faster lair timing he's not playing any differently.
He's playing less economically and more tech focused due to hellbat drops, he doesn't want to build roaches vs Hellbats, so he rushes Mutas, and tries to hold with ling/spine until they are out.
He was doing 2 base spire in WoL.
He never built roaches against hellbat drops except for the Sjow series.
The only thing that's different is that he getting fast 2 base spire instead of delayed 3 base spire but I don't see any "confidence" issue here. Terran is much defensively stronger in HotS, lacking that "confidence" is a good thing.
On July 11 2013 14:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I feel like Kop got advantages all game but Life is just better with the control and decisions.
Proxy rax, Life was late noticing Kop was going mech, Kop had the bank and production at the end
still lost.
both games had two similar ideas from Kop: attempt at an aggressive opening, disruption, fall back on a 3 base economy and try and hold off the counterswing from Life's mutalisks.
the biggest problem was that both games he chose to commit in both games versus Life's counterattacks. Life patiently waited outside Kop's front gates and waited for the armies to move out on SS and AW. as soon as he saw that happen he pounced. both games Kop's decision to attack was hesitant, on Akilon Wastes he briefly tried to go back but decided to play the base race.
kop kept putting life and himself in frantic scenarios, where life is often strongest because he remains calm under pressure.
I was about to give it to jjakji, but then I remembered that Trust managed to beat Dream last time, and Dream has great TvP... Might not be as much a done deal as I first thought.
i love legend's observing. did you see how he was tempted to show the warp prism? but he wanted to show everything happening at once for a more dramatic effect.
On July 11 2013 15:01 Vindicare605 wrote: Ok so the only reason that was even competitive was because Jjajki went for a completely weird opener that did absolutely nothing.
Moment it normalized JJajki raped him.
So my question, why bother with cute openers if you are just better in straight up engagements and macro?
He might not feel confident in a straight up game then again he should have some confidence now after that.
On July 11 2013 15:01 Vindicare605 wrote: Ok so the only reason that was even competitive was because Jjajki went for a completely weird opener that did absolutely nothing.
Moment it normalized JJajki raped him.
So my question, why bother with cute openers if you are just better in straight up engagements and macro?
Jjjakji always had slightly stylistic openings. He just likes them.
On July 11 2013 15:01 Vindicare605 wrote: Ok so the only reason that was even competitive was because Jjajki went for a completely weird opener that did absolutely nothing.
Moment it normalized JJajki raped him.
So my question, why bother with cute openers if you are just better in straight up engagements and macro?
Jjjakji always had slightly stylistic openings. He just likes them.
I just don't think he's doing himself any favors with them.
On July 11 2013 15:01 NPF wrote: Jjakji wants to go win another GSL in a few months from now. From what I've heard, since HOTS he's been picking up steam steadily.
If the Kespa players weren't here, I'd like his chances, but as things are... no chance.
Game 1 was Jjakji stomping a bad defense by Trust with the great tools of terran Game 2 was Trust stomping a bad defense by Jjakji with the great tools of protoss
On July 11 2013 15:13 Elite_ wrote: Why would jjakji listen to the guy that went 0-8 in GSTL this season? I'd be like GTFO Tassadar!!! D:
"do the opposite of anything I would do and you're good"
On July 11 2013 15:14 Nebuchad wrote: Game 1 was Jjakji stomping a bad defense by Trust with the great tools of terran Game 2 was Trust stomping a bad defense by Jjakji with the great tools of protoss
On July 11 2013 15:14 Nebuchad wrote: Game 1 was Jjakji stomping a bad defense by Trust with the great tools of terran Game 2 was Trust stomping a bad defense by Jjakji with the great tools of protoss
Game 1 is awesome, wooo Game 2 fuck you Trust
What is this, I don't even
I guess we know who is more popular now
Goddamnit, didn't we trade you for Byun's puppy and a pack of cigarettes?
Game 1 was Jjakji stomping a bad defense by Trust with the great tools of terran Game 2 was Trust stomping a bad defense by Jjakji with the great tools of protoss
Game 1 is awesome, wooo Game 2 fuck you Trust
What is this, I don't even
What should jjakji have done instead? He was already falling behind in supply because he had to pull scvs and build 3 bunkers in anticipation of the immortal bust.
Game 1 was Jjakji stomping a bad defense by Trust with the great tools of terran Game 2 was Trust stomping a bad defense by Jjakji with the great tools of protoss
Game 1 is awesome, wooo Game 2 fuck you Trust
What is this, I don't even
What should jjakji have done instead? He was already falling behind in supply because he had to pull scvs and build 3 bunkers in anticipation of the immortal bust.
Protoss all-ins :S
A combination of not getting caught and actually having bunkers would've been nice.
Game 1 was Jjakji stomping a bad defense by Trust with the great tools of terran Game 2 was Trust stomping a bad defense by Jjakji with the great tools of protoss
Game 1 is awesome, wooo Game 2 fuck you Trust
What is this, I don't even
What should jjakji have done instead? He was already falling behind in supply because he had to pull scvs and build 3 bunkers in anticipation of the immortal bust.
Protoss all-ins :S
Not lose a third of his units being in the middle of the map for no reason, then 2 medivacs on a bad rally, would have been a good start.
I never understood why you'd do this build. Its so micro intensive and Stalkers are terrible against Marauders and Bunkers, especially with Stim. Not worth it. Jjakji should win this.
Game 1 was Jjakji stomping a bad defense by Trust with the great tools of terran Game 2 was Trust stomping a bad defense by Jjakji with the great tools of protoss
Game 1 is awesome, wooo Game 2 fuck you Trust
What is this, I don't even
Sorry, I did not mean to sound like a QQ against protoss. In fact, I play random.
I just connected during game 2 and I felt that the manner nexus was not... the thing to do. I mean, I understand that it can be a good taunt, but only if you had a good match where you outclassed your opponent and he is staying too long in the game. Typically, you don't do it when you allin ><
YES JJAKJI!!! You made that WAY closer than it should have been D:
Stupidly I lost Internet in the middle of the third game, could someone please describe what happened in between the Stalkers seeing the tech lab and jjakji flying the widow mines in? Would be much appreciated.
I think this was a very bad choice vs jjakji, he loves playing overly defensive and sniffs out cheeses more oft than not, the other side of the coin to his safety is that he normally just kills himself by getting behind in economy in multiple ways.
On July 11 2013 15:17 Shellshock1122 wrote: he sees he's on 1 base still. figure it out
Theres like 9 all ins Protoss can be doing off 1 base.
And seven of them are horrible (like this one is).
Hahaha were you waiting for someone to win to make that comment? B/c Jjakji coulda easily still lost that if Trust had gone for a safer robo followup instead of templar tech...
Game 1 was Jjakji stomping a bad defense by Trust with the great tools of terran Game 2 was Trust stomping a bad defense by Jjakji with the great tools of protoss
Game 1 is awesome, wooo Game 2 fuck you Trust
What is this, I don't even
Sorry, I did not mean to sound like a QQ against protoss. In fact, I play random.
I just connected during game 2 and I felt that the manner nexus was not... the thing to do. I mean, I understand that it can be a good taunt, but only if you had a good match where you outclassed your opponent and he is staying too long in the game. Typically, you don't do it when you allin ><
Mind games, yo. I don't really care since it wouldn't work on me. Maybe you got manner-nexus'ed before and got your feelings hurt /lol
On July 11 2013 15:28 IshinShishi wrote: I think this was a very bad choice vs jjakji, he loves playing overly defensive and sniffs out cheeses more oft than not, the other side of the coin to his safety is that he normally just kills himself by getting behind in economy in multiple ways.
What's better vs protoss though? since they have a thousand allins that you can die to at any time.
On July 11 2013 15:28 slowbacontron wrote: YES JJAKJI!!! You made that WAY closer than it should have been D:
Stupidly I lost Internet in the middle of the third game, could someone please describe what happened in between the Stalkers seeing the tech lab and jjakji flying the widow mines in? Would be much appreciated.
Trust blinked in and destroyed the undefended rightmost bunker. Jjakji replied by bringing most of his SCV to push back the assault. He smartly focused fired the mothership core, but lost a shitton of things in the process (12 scv remaining only). His first widow mine popped, and trust could not attack anymore (no more vision on the high ground and widow mines on the top of the ramp).
In the meantime, jjakji scored a few probe kills and one or two stalkers with his 3 reapers.
Then, you had a one base protoss versus a one base terran with 2 OC and better tech.
Game 1 was Jjakji stomping a bad defense by Trust with the great tools of terran Game 2 was Trust stomping a bad defense by Jjakji with the great tools of protoss
Game 1 is awesome, wooo Game 2 fuck you Trust
What is this, I don't even
Sorry, I did not mean to sound like a QQ against protoss. In fact, I play random.
I just connected during game 2 and I felt that the manner nexus was not... the thing to do. I mean, I understand that it can be a good taunt, but only if you had a good match where you outclassed your opponent and he is staying too long in the game. Typically, you don't do it when you allin ><
Mind games, yo. I don't really care since it wouldn't work on me. Maybe you got manner-nexus'ed before and got your feelings hurt /lol
Well, I don't think I agree with your point.
I mean, what if tomorrow, TLO (to name a pro player) started all his matches by saying "go fuck yourself noob"? Of course, this wouldn't work on you. And you wouldn't care. And it's mind games. But it'd surely piss off some viewers. Like me.
so maybe Tassadar's advice worked? He was probably like "I would totally go for 1 base blink in this ace match situation" when he was talking to jjakji
On July 11 2013 15:17 Shellshock1122 wrote: he sees he's on 1 base still. figure it out
Theres like 9 all ins Protoss can be doing off 1 base.
And seven of them are horrible (like this one is).
Hahaha were you waiting for someone to win to make that comment? B/c Jjakji coulda easily still lost that if Trust had gone for a safer robo followup instead of templar tech...
So this build ALMOST works when you hide your tech, then have insane luck with the scouting of your opponent, then have your opponent go for a build that doesn't bode well vs it, then have him realize what's happening at the very last moment?
On July 11 2013 15:28 slowbacontron wrote: YES JJAKJI!!! You made that WAY closer than it should have been D:
Stupidly I lost Internet in the middle of the third game, could someone please describe what happened in between the Stalkers seeing the tech lab and jjakji flying the widow mines in? Would be much appreciated.
Trust blinked in and destroyed the undefended rightmost bunker. Jjakji replied by bringing most of his SCV to push back the assault. He smartly focused fired the mothership core, but lost a shitton of things in the process (12 scv remaining only). His first widow mine popped, and trust could not attack anymore (no more vision on the high ground and widow mines on the top of the ramp).
In the meantime, jjakji scored a few probe kills and one or two stalkers with his 3 reapers.
Then, you had a one base protoss versus a one base terran with 2 OC and better tech.
I'm not a high level player, but would have sniping the fourth base when roro retreated to his nat and recalling back home to start a third have been a better choice than attacking up the nat, or was he that far behnd?
On July 11 2013 15:46 Tannex wrote: I'm not a high level player, but would have sniping the fourth base when roro retreated to his nat and recalling back home to start a third have been a better choice than attacking up the nat, or was he that far behnd?
He cancelled his third he would have had to do a lot more damage, such as sniping both the fourth and the third of roro to go back and make a nexus. And by then roro would just go and kill him.
On July 11 2013 15:46 Tannex wrote: I'm not a high level player, but would have sniping the fourth base when roro retreated to his nat and recalling back home to start a third have been a better choice than attacking up the nat, or was he that far behnd?
He cancelled his third he would have had to do a lot more damage, such as sniping both the fourth and the third of roro to go back and make a nexus. And by then roro would just go and kill him.
On July 11 2013 15:17 Shellshock1122 wrote: he sees he's on 1 base still. figure it out
Theres like 9 all ins Protoss can be doing off 1 base.
And seven of them are horrible (like this one is).
Hahaha were you waiting for someone to win to make that comment? B/c Jjakji coulda easily still lost that if Trust had gone for a safer robo followup instead of templar tech...
So this build ALMOST works when you hide your tech, then have insane luck with the scouting of your opponent, then have your opponent go for a build that doesn't bode well vs it, then have him realize what's happening at the very last moment?
Sure sounds like something I would like to use.
If he had an observer and stopped that mine drop he could have easily been in an advantageous position even after the attack was thwarted. Also Jjakji was scouting a shitton, I think a lot of other players would have missed that proxy also.
On July 11 2013 15:46 Tannex wrote: I'm not a high level player, but would have sniping the fourth base when roro retreated to his nat and recalling back home to start a third have been a better choice than attacking up the nat, or was he that far behnd?
I am not high level either (diamond/master) but yes, I think that might have been a smarter choice (he would also need to tech immediately to colossus AND templar, but that's beside the point).
But that's easy to make a call after the game. Personally, I was sure Billowy would plow through Roro when I saw how he destroyed the third.
Edit : OK, I must imagine things. I thought you said "If he had gone to the third (after destroying the fourth) and recalled afterwards, wouldn't it have been better?" Just taking down the fourth and recalling would have been a bad move.
On July 11 2013 15:46 Tannex wrote: I'm not a high level player, but would have sniping the fourth base when roro retreated to his nat and recalling back home to start a third have been a better choice than attacking up the nat, or was he that far behnd?
I am not high level either (diamond/master) but yes, I think that might have been a smarter choice (he would also need to tech immediately to colossus AND templar, but that's beside the point).
But that's easy to make a call after the game. Personally, I was sure Billowy would plow through Roro when I saw how he destroyed the third.
Edit : OK, I must imagine things. I thought you said "If he had gone to the third (after destroying the fourth) and recalled afterwards, wouldn't it have been better?" Just taking down the fourth and recalling would have been a bad move.
Haha, its fine. I meant the other way around, going up to the fourth after ripping apart the third, when roro ran to his nat.
On July 11 2013 16:00 AlternativeEgo wrote: Just noticed Wolfs hair. Why is it plain boring and not fabulous? He gotta step up his game.
Because he traded hair colors with Whiplash.
Be sure to come back to this thread in 24 hours to see the rest of the Code A Ro48 results while they're being played but not broadcasted because WCS hates Korean Challenger League. :D
On July 11 2013 20:37 Vanadiel wrote: Any chance to have some VOD of today's match?
here's the first set:http://www.gomtv.net/2013wcs2/vod/80770/?set=1 if you look through the gom website you can easily find the rest, just click "previous week" and scroll down their schedule or the links will be up here shortly: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2_Korea_OSL/Challenger obviously liquipedia will have spoilers just to remind you
yea f you roro haters. I guess people forgot Lure was beaten in the fastest Bo3 ever by a man who doesn't know how to win when he scouts a proxy one gate in his base and he already has two gates.
On July 11 2013 23:44 Gorribal wrote: yea f you roro haters. I guess people forgot Lure was beaten in the fastest Bo3 ever by a man who doesn't know how to win when he scouts a proxy one gate in his base and he already has two gates.
To be fair, Zero people won PvZ yesterday. meta game shift maybe...
So many sick games, it's ridiculous we can't watch them. I'd rather have these than WCS America/Europe :/.
Ugh... I know... I'm so sad that I can't watch these matches. I haven't even bothered watching EU/AM. Some of the matches might end up conflicting with GSTL though so that might be why we can't watch them.
So many sick games, it's ridiculous we can't watch them. I'd rather have these than WCS America/Europe :/.
Ugh... I know... I'm so sad that I can't watch these matches. I haven't even bothered watching EU/AM. Some of the matches might end up conflicting with GSTL though so that might be why we can't watch them.
they wouldn't though, these are about 5 hours before GSTL.
So many sick games, it's ridiculous we can't watch them. I'd rather have these than WCS America/Europe :/.
Ugh... I know... I'm so sad that I can't watch these matches. I haven't even bothered watching EU/AM. Some of the matches might end up conflicting with GSTL though so that might be why we can't watch them.
they wouldn't though, these are about 5 hours before GSTL.
This because there's 8 matches left (6 now that Avenge and herO won) and they're doing 2 at a time.
On July 12 2013 13:54 bittman wrote: sC and Creator. Please!
Yay Avenge, Nooo Hurricane!
You have to feel bad for Hurricane... He's really good but he made it to Code A, fell out, made it back to Code A, made it to Code S/OSL, came in 4th place in his group, fell to Code A Ro48, fell out of Code A again... lol
On July 12 2013 13:54 bittman wrote: sC and Creator. Please!
Yay Avenge, Nooo Hurricane!
You have to feel bad for Hurricane... He's really good but he made it to Code A, fell out, made it back to Code A, made it to Code S/OSL, came in 4th place in his group, fell to Code A Ro48, fell out of Code A again... lol
Well I don't feel as bad for Hurricane as I do for Yongwha still, but he's making a strong case to inherit that will.
So many sick games, it's ridiculous we can't watch them. I'd rather have these than WCS America/Europe :/.
Ugh... I know... I'm so sad that I can't watch these matches. I haven't even bothered watching EU/AM. Some of the matches might end up conflicting with GSTL though so that might be why we can't watch them.
they wouldn't though, these are about 5 hours before GSTL.
Then I got nothing... It would be nice if they were broadcast though. The KR matches are so much fun to watch!
good to see YongHwa is making a comeback, I remember before the going 0-5 in Up and Down incident he was on such a rampage, winning WCG Korea, winning the qualify for IPL4, all killing 2 times, and only losing to Life in Code A
I heard he had some serious issues with his eyes or something which affected his performance (stated by MC), hopefully he can get back on track and join First as imo both him and First have been two of the most silent but best Protoss in the world lacking in results
lol swagger is one of the guys who just wins against all odds sometimes, wouldve loved to see the games
damn its such a shame, wcs really limited the amounts of games played in korea, really hope they come up with a solution so that we at least get to see all of them
I was hoping for ZerO to win but I'm happy for Swagger! It's awesome to see that he's hanging around. True hanging around is pretty awesome as well. Hopefully this isn't a last hurrah for him and he keeps playing long term.
On July 13 2013 20:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: Gom revealed the 8 games that will be streamed now for the Ro32 July 16 04:00 GMT (+00:00) DongRaeGu vs YugiOh
EPT
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what happened to him
Avenge <Akilon Wastes> 
Reality. 
sC vs. 
SonGDuri
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