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On July 10 2013 22:21 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:18 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:10 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 21:58 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 21:39 NovemberstOrm wrote:
also apparently KT Rolster doesn't want nathanias to stream the rest of the series o_O so we only get 1 game. What? Noooo Edit: Sounds really suspicous too, not the smartest move of them. Their Big gun is down one game and suddenly the stream gets shut down. If the result is Flash 2-1 this is really strange. Yeah would be really strange if Flash would win 2-1 vs Puzzle. Jesus are you dumb. Are you implying they cheat? Check out the MLG KeSPa qualifier where INnoVation lost to Sacsri 1-2 ... clearly they are cheating their best players into tournaments, jesus. No I really do not believe that. I just say it's no smart move, because it makes them look suspicous. Can't argue on that, it is just not a smart move at all, always makes your team / company / organisation look bad As you can see, you clearly can argue the point. Its not just me that makes no big deal if any out of it. I can fully understand high profile players not wanting to be streamed especially if they feel it hinders their performance. It neither makes KT look bad nor the players in the match. I would bet there's plenty of matches that asked to not be streamed. Additionally, would you rather not see him competing at all? Because then we'll have an IEM with foreign players and a few invites, that I personally would not want to watch. So I'd rather "miss out" on qualifiers and see him in a real tournament more than not competing at all. See WJS, STX, SKT1 ...
The problem here is not asking for a series not to be streamed.
It's the fact to stream game 1 and then tell the caster that he can't stream the rest of the series.
This annoys the caster aswell as some of the viewers, because they could have followed an other series at that time.
Of course there are some people like you who don't mind, but as you see there are also people who are quite pissed by that move.
But there are 0 people who say : "huraaaay I can't watch game 2 and a possible game 3, i love you KT"
So pissing of some people, while gaining no positive reactions is not a smart move for a team that is dependent on sponsors who want positive exposure for their brand.
That's how esport works.
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On July 10 2013 22:22 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:21 TheDwf wrote:
Hahaha, can't they tell the players all spawns are enabled? Seriously... red city isn't even a map with cross spawns forced in any tournament baby rolled the dice and derped really hard there
He didn't roll the dice hoping Savage would spawn there, you could clearly see he was expecting him to be there.
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France7248 Posts
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TY probably banned Red City when he is laddering.
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On July 10 2013 22:28 Yhamm wrote:
Flash won 2-1
Surprise! ;D
And eMotion was not listed for the last round of PL so I guess he's some mysterious C-teamer. I want that information.
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thats incredibly disappointing of Stork again. He has a huge advantage in like 80% of the game but decides to sit there playing max vs max instead and loses
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Why the hell did they not show Flash games after game 1.
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On July 10 2013 22:28 Yhamm wrote:
Flash won 2-1
How surprising... i won't do any comment, but this is weird. I didn't expect such an attitude from KT. Flash might have won 2-1 for real, or just with a little help... we will never know, which is lame.
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France7248 Posts
On July 10 2013 22:32 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Why the hell did they not show Flash games after game 1.
KT Rolster asked the casters to leave
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On July 10 2013 22:28 Yhamm wrote:
Flash won 2-1
Yeah... Probably due to his super secret build that hes probably trying to hide.. lol
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On July 10 2013 22:28 ChaosArcher wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:21 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 22:18 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:10 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 21:58 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 21:39 NovemberstOrm wrote:
also apparently KT Rolster doesn't want nathanias to stream the rest of the series o_O so we only get 1 game. What? Noooo Edit: Sounds really suspicous too, not the smartest move of them. Their Big gun is down one game and suddenly the stream gets shut down. If the result is Flash 2-1 this is really strange. Yeah would be really strange if Flash would win 2-1 vs Puzzle. Jesus are you dumb. Are you implying they cheat? Check out the MLG KeSPa qualifier where INnoVation lost to Sacsri 1-2 ... clearly they are cheating their best players into tournaments, jesus. No I really do not believe that. I just say it's no smart move, because it makes them look suspicous. Can't argue on that, it is just not a smart move at all, always makes your team / company / organisation look bad As you can see, you clearly can argue the point. Its not just me that makes no big deal if any out of it. I can fully understand high profile players not wanting to be streamed especially if they feel it hinders their performance. It neither makes KT look bad nor the players in the match. I would bet there's plenty of matches that asked to not be streamed. Additionally, would you rather not see him competing at all? Because then we'll have an IEM with foreign players and a few invites, that I personally would not want to watch. So I'd rather "miss out" on qualifiers and see him in a real tournament more than not competing at all. See WJS, STX, SKT1 ... The problem here is not asking for a series not to be streamed. It's the fact to stream game 1 and then tell the caster that he can't stream the rest of the series. This annoys the caster aswell as some of the viewers, because they could have followed an other series at that time. Of course there are some people like you who don't mind, but as you see there are also people who are quite pissed by that move. But there are 0 people who say : "huraaaay I can't watch game 2 and a possible game 3, i love you KT" So pissing of some people, while gaining no positive reactions is not a smart move for a team that is dependent on sponsors who want positive exposure for their brand. That's how esport works.
Thank you for lecturing me on how eSports work, I think I am very well aware. As I said, if Flash for example (thats why KT stepped in I suppose) felt like he couldn't perform due to whatever issues because of a caster ingame, then KT did the right move to get the caster out of the way, as they will get MORE and MORE IMPORTANT exposure if he qualifies compared to what they get showing a series where he potentially loses because he feels uncomfortable.
I am not saying that should be done as standard and obviously its never good to quit a boX after the first or even worse the second map, but I am a player myself, I feel the playing condition is most important and I'd rather go through a walkover instead of playing under (for me) disadvantageous situations aka lag, delay etc....
Cannot believe the stupidity of people who think KT/Flash cheats or does match fixing, and being suprised over a 2-1 victory when he should be the clear favorite in this match.
On July 10 2013 22:34 HugzForL wrote:
Nathanias won't cast Flash vs Mini either.
Proofes that he has some sort of issues, doesn't it? Or do they want to cheat Flash through the tournament?-_-
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Nathanias won't cast Flash vs Mini either.
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Will Baby proxy 11/11 the top left spot??
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On July 10 2013 22:33 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:28 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:21 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 22:18 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:10 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 21:58 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 21:39 NovemberstOrm wrote:
also apparently KT Rolster doesn't want nathanias to stream the rest of the series o_O so we only get 1 game. What? Noooo Edit: Sounds really suspicous too, not the smartest move of them. Their Big gun is down one game and suddenly the stream gets shut down. If the result is Flash 2-1 this is really strange. Yeah would be really strange if Flash would win 2-1 vs Puzzle. Jesus are you dumb. Are you implying they cheat? Check out the MLG KeSPa qualifier where INnoVation lost to Sacsri 1-2 ... clearly they are cheating their best players into tournaments, jesus. No I really do not believe that. I just say it's no smart move, because it makes them look suspicous. Can't argue on that, it is just not a smart move at all, always makes your team / company / organisation look bad As you can see, you clearly can argue the point. Its not just me that makes no big deal if any out of it. I can fully understand high profile players not wanting to be streamed especially if they feel it hinders their performance. It neither makes KT look bad nor the players in the match. I would bet there's plenty of matches that asked to not be streamed. Additionally, would you rather not see him competing at all? Because then we'll have an IEM with foreign players and a few invites, that I personally would not want to watch. So I'd rather "miss out" on qualifiers and see him in a real tournament more than not competing at all. See WJS, STX, SKT1 ... The problem here is not asking for a series not to be streamed. It's the fact to stream game 1 and then tell the caster that he can't stream the rest of the series. This annoys the caster aswell as some of the viewers, because they could have followed an other series at that time. Of course there are some people like you who don't mind, but as you see there are also people who are quite pissed by that move. But there are 0 people who say : "huraaaay I can't watch game 2 and a possible game 3, i love you KT" So pissing of some people, while gaining no positive reactions is not a smart move for a team that is dependent on sponsors who want positive exposure for their brand. That's how esport works. Thank you for lecturing me on how eSports work, I think I am very well aware. As I said, if Flash for example (thats why KT stepped in I suppose) felt like he couldn't perform due to whatever issues because of a caster ingame, then KT did the right move to get the caster out of the way, as they will get MORE and MORE IMPORTANT exposure if he qualifies compared to what they get showing a series where he potentially loses because he feels uncomfortable. I am not saying that should be done as standard and obviously its never good to quit a boX after the first or even worse the second map, but I am a player myself, I feel the playing condition is most important and I'd rather go through a walkover instead of playing under (for me) disadvantageous situations aka lag, delay etc....
and in the meantime not pausing once during game 1 due to lag. I dont buy it. its just a big fuck u to the audience
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On July 10 2013 22:33 -y0shi- wrote:Yeah... Probably due to his super secret build that hes probably trying to hide.. lol
Flash didn't want to lose fans doing an 8 medivac hellbat drop
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On July 10 2013 22:33 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:28 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:21 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 22:18 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:10 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 21:58 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 21:39 NovemberstOrm wrote:
also apparently KT Rolster doesn't want nathanias to stream the rest of the series o_O so we only get 1 game. What? Noooo Edit: Sounds really suspicous too, not the smartest move of them. Their Big gun is down one game and suddenly the stream gets shut down. If the result is Flash 2-1 this is really strange. Yeah would be really strange if Flash would win 2-1 vs Puzzle. Jesus are you dumb. Are you implying they cheat? Check out the MLG KeSPa qualifier where INnoVation lost to Sacsri 1-2 ... clearly they are cheating their best players into tournaments, jesus. No I really do not believe that. I just say it's no smart move, because it makes them look suspicous. Can't argue on that, it is just not a smart move at all, always makes your team / company / organisation look bad As you can see, you clearly can argue the point. Its not just me that makes no big deal if any out of it. I can fully understand high profile players not wanting to be streamed especially if they feel it hinders their performance. It neither makes KT look bad nor the players in the match. I would bet there's plenty of matches that asked to not be streamed. Additionally, would you rather not see him competing at all? Because then we'll have an IEM with foreign players and a few invites, that I personally would not want to watch. So I'd rather "miss out" on qualifiers and see him in a real tournament more than not competing at all. See WJS, STX, SKT1 ... The problem here is not asking for a series not to be streamed. It's the fact to stream game 1 and then tell the caster that he can't stream the rest of the series. This annoys the caster aswell as some of the viewers, because they could have followed an other series at that time. Of course there are some people like you who don't mind, but as you see there are also people who are quite pissed by that move. But there are 0 people who say : "huraaaay I can't watch game 2 and a possible game 3, i love you KT" So pissing of some people, while gaining no positive reactions is not a smart move for a team that is dependent on sponsors who want positive exposure for their brand. That's how esport works. Thank you for lecturing me on how eSports work, I think I am very well aware. As I said, if Flash for example (thats why KT stepped in I suppose) felt like he couldn't perform due to whatever issues because of a caster ingame, then KT did the right move to get the caster out of the way, as they will get MORE and MORE IMPORTANT exposure if he qualifies compared to what they get showing a series where he potentially loses because he feels uncomfortable. I am not saying that should be done as standard and obviously its never good to quit a boX after the first or even worse the second map, but I am a player myself, I feel the playing condition is most important and I'd rather go through a walkover instead of playing under (for me) disadvantageous situations aka lag, delay etc.... Cannot believe the stupidity of people who think KT/Flash cheats or does match fixing, and being suprised over a 2-1 victory when he should be the clear favorite in this match. Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:34 HugzForL wrote:
Nathanias won't cast Flash vs Mini either. Proofes that he has some sort of issues, doesn't it? Or do they want to cheat Flash through the tournament?-_-
Why on earth would Flash have an issue being casted though?
I'm not saying its rigged or anything - but it still seems rather stupid. Realistically, you should be able to go into any game and play the same regardless of who is watching. The guys played on the big stage more than anyone.
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I dont usually watch games on Derelict but this map looks like a fusion of many generic standard maps at once aka super boring
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apparently flash lost 0-2 to Mini
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On July 10 2013 22:41 NovemberstOrm wrote:
apparently flash lost 0-2 to Mini
That was quick. He got cheesed 2 times i guess.
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On July 10 2013 22:33 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:28 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:21 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 22:18 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:10 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 21:58 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 21:39 NovemberstOrm wrote:
also apparently KT Rolster doesn't want nathanias to stream the rest of the series o_O so we only get 1 game. What? Noooo Edit: Sounds really suspicous too, not the smartest move of them. Their Big gun is down one game and suddenly the stream gets shut down. If the result is Flash 2-1 this is really strange. Yeah would be really strange if Flash would win 2-1 vs Puzzle. Jesus are you dumb. Are you implying they cheat? Check out the MLG KeSPa qualifier where INnoVation lost to Sacsri 1-2 ... clearly they are cheating their best players into tournaments, jesus. No I really do not believe that. I just say it's no smart move, because it makes them look suspicous. Can't argue on that, it is just not a smart move at all, always makes your team / company / organisation look bad As you can see, you clearly can argue the point. Its not just me that makes no big deal if any out of it. I can fully understand high profile players not wanting to be streamed especially if they feel it hinders their performance. It neither makes KT look bad nor the players in the match. I would bet there's plenty of matches that asked to not be streamed. Additionally, would you rather not see him competing at all? Because then we'll have an IEM with foreign players and a few invites, that I personally would not want to watch. So I'd rather "miss out" on qualifiers and see him in a real tournament more than not competing at all. See WJS, STX, SKT1 ... The problem here is not asking for a series not to be streamed. It's the fact to stream game 1 and then tell the caster that he can't stream the rest of the series. This annoys the caster aswell as some of the viewers, because they could have followed an other series at that time. Of course there are some people like you who don't mind, but as you see there are also people who are quite pissed by that move. But there are 0 people who say : "huraaaay I can't watch game 2 and a possible game 3, i love you KT" So pissing of some people, while gaining no positive reactions is not a smart move for a team that is dependent on sponsors who want positive exposure for their brand. That's how esport works. Thank you for lecturing me on how eSports work, I think I am very well aware. As I said, if Flash for example (thats why KT stepped in I suppose) felt like he couldn't perform due to whatever issues because of a caster ingame, then KT did the right move to get the caster out of the way, as they will get MORE and MORE IMPORTANT exposure if he qualifies compared to what they get showing a series where he potentially loses because he feels uncomfortable. I am not saying that should be done as standard and obviously its never good to quit a boX after the first or even worse the second map, but I am a player myself, I feel the playing condition is most important and I'd rather go through a walkover instead of playing under (for me) disadvantageous situations aka lag, delay etc.... Cannot believe the stupidity of people who think KT/Flash cheats or does match fixing, and being suprised over a 2-1 victory when he should be the clear favorite in this match.
If lag was an issue, then the move was legit, but this is just speculation on your side and they should have explained this to Nathanias if it was the case.
And it doesn't matter if you think people are stupid for thinking KT match fixes, it's the fact that people think it that counts.
And this could have been avoided pretty easily, therefore I still think it wasn't a smart move.
To make myself clear: I don't think they matchfixed, but we all know how the community likes their drama and a move like this should be avoided if it is not at least of high importance.
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