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United States97276 Posts
On July 10 2013 22:41 NovemberstOrm wrote:
apparently flash lost 0-2 to Mini
qxc 2-0 Mini
mini 2-0 Flash
QXC 4-0 FLASH
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On July 10 2013 22:41 HugzForL wrote:That was quick. He got cheesed 2 times i guess.
Betting on 10 gate vs CC first and either an Immortal bust or some random DT prism to complete the collection of typical TvP ladder losses. (:
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On July 10 2013 22:42 ChaosArcher wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:33 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 22:28 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:21 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 22:18 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:10 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 21:58 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 21:39 NovemberstOrm wrote:
also apparently KT Rolster doesn't want nathanias to stream the rest of the series o_O so we only get 1 game. What? Noooo Edit: Sounds really suspicous too, not the smartest move of them. Their Big gun is down one game and suddenly the stream gets shut down. If the result is Flash 2-1 this is really strange. Yeah would be really strange if Flash would win 2-1 vs Puzzle. Jesus are you dumb. Are you implying they cheat? Check out the MLG KeSPa qualifier where INnoVation lost to Sacsri 1-2 ... clearly they are cheating their best players into tournaments, jesus. No I really do not believe that. I just say it's no smart move, because it makes them look suspicous. Can't argue on that, it is just not a smart move at all, always makes your team / company / organisation look bad As you can see, you clearly can argue the point. Its not just me that makes no big deal if any out of it. I can fully understand high profile players not wanting to be streamed especially if they feel it hinders their performance. It neither makes KT look bad nor the players in the match. I would bet there's plenty of matches that asked to not be streamed. Additionally, would you rather not see him competing at all? Because then we'll have an IEM with foreign players and a few invites, that I personally would not want to watch. So I'd rather "miss out" on qualifiers and see him in a real tournament more than not competing at all. See WJS, STX, SKT1 ... The problem here is not asking for a series not to be streamed. It's the fact to stream game 1 and then tell the caster that he can't stream the rest of the series. This annoys the caster aswell as some of the viewers, because they could have followed an other series at that time. Of course there are some people like you who don't mind, but as you see there are also people who are quite pissed by that move. But there are 0 people who say : "huraaaay I can't watch game 2 and a possible game 3, i love you KT" So pissing of some people, while gaining no positive reactions is not a smart move for a team that is dependent on sponsors who want positive exposure for their brand. That's how esport works. Thank you for lecturing me on how eSports work, I think I am very well aware. As I said, if Flash for example (thats why KT stepped in I suppose) felt like he couldn't perform due to whatever issues because of a caster ingame, then KT did the right move to get the caster out of the way, as they will get MORE and MORE IMPORTANT exposure if he qualifies compared to what they get showing a series where he potentially loses because he feels uncomfortable. I am not saying that should be done as standard and obviously its never good to quit a boX after the first or even worse the second map, but I am a player myself, I feel the playing condition is most important and I'd rather go through a walkover instead of playing under (for me) disadvantageous situations aka lag, delay etc.... Cannot believe the stupidity of people who think KT/Flash cheats or does match fixing, and being suprised over a 2-1 victory when he should be the clear favorite in this match. If lag was an issue, then the move was legit, but this is just speculation on your side and they should have explained this to Nathanias if it was the case. And it doesn't matter if you think people are stupid for thinking KT match fixes, it's the fact that people think it that counts. And this could have been avoided pretty easily, therefore I still think it wasn't a smart move. To make myself clear: I don't think they matchfixed, but we all know how the community likes their drama and a move like this should be avoided if it is not at least of high importance.
who gives a shit if you guys think the move is legit or not? They are in the position to do so and they arent against any rules. End of the story.
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On July 10 2013 22:45 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:42 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:33 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 22:28 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:21 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 22:18 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:10 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 21:58 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 21:39 NovemberstOrm wrote:
also apparently KT Rolster doesn't want nathanias to stream the rest of the series o_O so we only get 1 game. What? Noooo Edit: Sounds really suspicous too, not the smartest move of them. Their Big gun is down one game and suddenly the stream gets shut down. If the result is Flash 2-1 this is really strange. Yeah would be really strange if Flash would win 2-1 vs Puzzle. Jesus are you dumb. Are you implying they cheat? Check out the MLG KeSPa qualifier where INnoVation lost to Sacsri 1-2 ... clearly they are cheating their best players into tournaments, jesus. No I really do not believe that. I just say it's no smart move, because it makes them look suspicous. Can't argue on that, it is just not a smart move at all, always makes your team / company / organisation look bad As you can see, you clearly can argue the point. Its not just me that makes no big deal if any out of it. I can fully understand high profile players not wanting to be streamed especially if they feel it hinders their performance. It neither makes KT look bad nor the players in the match. I would bet there's plenty of matches that asked to not be streamed. Additionally, would you rather not see him competing at all? Because then we'll have an IEM with foreign players and a few invites, that I personally would not want to watch. So I'd rather "miss out" on qualifiers and see him in a real tournament more than not competing at all. See WJS, STX, SKT1 ... The problem here is not asking for a series not to be streamed. It's the fact to stream game 1 and then tell the caster that he can't stream the rest of the series. This annoys the caster aswell as some of the viewers, because they could have followed an other series at that time. Of course there are some people like you who don't mind, but as you see there are also people who are quite pissed by that move. But there are 0 people who say : "huraaaay I can't watch game 2 and a possible game 3, i love you KT" So pissing of some people, while gaining no positive reactions is not a smart move for a team that is dependent on sponsors who want positive exposure for their brand. That's how esport works. Thank you for lecturing me on how eSports work, I think I am very well aware. As I said, if Flash for example (thats why KT stepped in I suppose) felt like he couldn't perform due to whatever issues because of a caster ingame, then KT did the right move to get the caster out of the way, as they will get MORE and MORE IMPORTANT exposure if he qualifies compared to what they get showing a series where he potentially loses because he feels uncomfortable. I am not saying that should be done as standard and obviously its never good to quit a boX after the first or even worse the second map, but I am a player myself, I feel the playing condition is most important and I'd rather go through a walkover instead of playing under (for me) disadvantageous situations aka lag, delay etc.... Cannot believe the stupidity of people who think KT/Flash cheats or does match fixing, and being suprised over a 2-1 victory when he should be the clear favorite in this match. If lag was an issue, then the move was legit, but this is just speculation on your side and they should have explained this to Nathanias if it was the case. And it doesn't matter if you think people are stupid for thinking KT match fixes, it's the fact that people think it that counts. And this could have been avoided pretty easily, therefore I still think it wasn't a smart move. To make myself clear: I don't think they matchfixed, but we all know how the community likes their drama and a move like this should be avoided if it is not at least of high importance. who gives a shit if you guys think the move is legit or not? They are in the position to do so and they arent against any rules. End of the story.
If its not against the rules then everything is fine, but most people assume it is.
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On July 10 2013 22:45 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:42 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:33 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 22:28 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:21 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 22:18 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 22:10 NarutO wrote:On July 10 2013 21:58 ChaosArcher wrote:On July 10 2013 21:39 NovemberstOrm wrote:
also apparently KT Rolster doesn't want nathanias to stream the rest of the series o_O so we only get 1 game. What? Noooo Edit: Sounds really suspicous too, not the smartest move of them. Their Big gun is down one game and suddenly the stream gets shut down. If the result is Flash 2-1 this is really strange. Yeah would be really strange if Flash would win 2-1 vs Puzzle. Jesus are you dumb. Are you implying they cheat? Check out the MLG KeSPa qualifier where INnoVation lost to Sacsri 1-2 ... clearly they are cheating their best players into tournaments, jesus. No I really do not believe that. I just say it's no smart move, because it makes them look suspicous. Can't argue on that, it is just not a smart move at all, always makes your team / company / organisation look bad As you can see, you clearly can argue the point. Its not just me that makes no big deal if any out of it. I can fully understand high profile players not wanting to be streamed especially if they feel it hinders their performance. It neither makes KT look bad nor the players in the match. I would bet there's plenty of matches that asked to not be streamed. Additionally, would you rather not see him competing at all? Because then we'll have an IEM with foreign players and a few invites, that I personally would not want to watch. So I'd rather "miss out" on qualifiers and see him in a real tournament more than not competing at all. See WJS, STX, SKT1 ... The problem here is not asking for a series not to be streamed. It's the fact to stream game 1 and then tell the caster that he can't stream the rest of the series. This annoys the caster aswell as some of the viewers, because they could have followed an other series at that time. Of course there are some people like you who don't mind, but as you see there are also people who are quite pissed by that move. But there are 0 people who say : "huraaaay I can't watch game 2 and a possible game 3, i love you KT" So pissing of some people, while gaining no positive reactions is not a smart move for a team that is dependent on sponsors who want positive exposure for their brand. That's how esport works. Thank you for lecturing me on how eSports work, I think I am very well aware. As I said, if Flash for example (thats why KT stepped in I suppose) felt like he couldn't perform due to whatever issues because of a caster ingame, then KT did the right move to get the caster out of the way, as they will get MORE and MORE IMPORTANT exposure if he qualifies compared to what they get showing a series where he potentially loses because he feels uncomfortable. I am not saying that should be done as standard and obviously its never good to quit a boX after the first or even worse the second map, but I am a player myself, I feel the playing condition is most important and I'd rather go through a walkover instead of playing under (for me) disadvantageous situations aka lag, delay etc.... Cannot believe the stupidity of people who think KT/Flash cheats or does match fixing, and being suprised over a 2-1 victory when he should be the clear favorite in this match. If lag was an issue, then the move was legit, but this is just speculation on your side and they should have explained this to Nathanias if it was the case. And it doesn't matter if you think people are stupid for thinking KT match fixes, it's the fact that people think it that counts. And this could have been avoided pretty easily, therefore I still think it wasn't a smart move. To make myself clear: I don't think they matchfixed, but we all know how the community likes their drama and a move like this should be avoided if it is not at least of high importance. who gives a shit if you guys think the move is legit or not? They are in the position to do so and they arent against any rules. End of the story.
I dont think youre on the same page.
It's a random thing to do, it raises eyebrows.
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On July 10 2013 22:43 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:41 HugzForL wrote:On July 10 2013 22:41 NovemberstOrm wrote:
apparently flash lost 0-2 to Mini That was quick. He got cheesed 2 times i guess. Betting on 10 gate vs CC first and either an Immortal bust or some random DT prism to complete the collection of typical TvP ladder losses. (:
What i've been facing currently is an handful of proxy-what-ever-you-want. I open reaper, scout whole map except the position of the proxy. Ends up losing like a retard. Watch replay, see your reaper not scouting the proxy for 3 pixels, rage.
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On July 10 2013 22:42 Shellshock1122 wrote:qxc 2-0 Mini mini 2-0 Flash QXC 4-0 FLASH
Unlike Flash, qxc could probably beat desrow in a ladder game, too.
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Flash can't beat Mini, man. Don't ever expect him to be a OSL/GSL champion anymore. Semis appearance will be highlights of his SC2 career.
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On July 10 2013 22:47 HugzForL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:43 TheDwf wrote:On July 10 2013 22:41 HugzForL wrote:On July 10 2013 22:41 NovemberstOrm wrote:
apparently flash lost 0-2 to Mini That was quick. He got cheesed 2 times i guess. Betting on 10 gate vs CC first and either an Immortal bust or some random DT prism to complete the collection of typical TvP ladder losses. (: What i've been facing currently is an handful of proxy-what-ever-you-want. I open reaper, scout whole map except the position of the proxy. Ends up losing like a retard. Watch replay, see your reaper not scouting the proxy for 3 pixels, rage.
It's pretty harsh hey 
Youre right, proxy immortal, dt's, oracle :S argh
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On July 10 2013 22:49 edgeOut wrote:
Flash can't beat Mini, man. Don't ever expect him to be a OSL/GSL champion anymore. Semis appearance will be highlights of his SC2 career.
You forgot to add he should probably retire as well.
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On July 10 2013 22:33 NarutO wrote:
Cannot believe the stupidity of people who think KT/Flash cheats or does match fixing, and being suprised over a 2-1 victory when he should be the clear favorite in this match.
Flash was clearly off his game in Game 1. The reason there are rumblings in the forums was over how KT handled this situation.
If you don't think eSports team can resort to match fixing when there is huge sponsorship money or gambling involved, I've got a bridge to sell you. It's only 3 years ago when eSports took a hit in Korea because of match fixing.
And take a guess which team was involved?
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omfg...what even happened in the flash vs mini games
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On July 10 2013 22:49 edgeOut wrote:
Flash can't beat Mini, man. Don't ever expect him to be a OSL/GSL champion anymore. Semis appearance will be highlights of his SC2 career.
It was probably because they streamed his first game with Puzzle *sunglasses*
Bit unfortunate though, International-Flash brings da hype
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Baby too predictable with his CC first. /:
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On July 10 2013 22:49 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:49 edgeOut wrote:
Flash can't beat Mini, man. Don't ever expect him to be a OSL/GSL champion anymore. Semis appearance will be highlights of his SC2 career. You forgot to add he should probably retire as well.
Staying in Code S as a gatekeeper is pretty decent for a player, and he contributes big in teamleague, why retire?
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baby nooooo...........i hate this tournament so much right now. Everyone i wanted to win has lost
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On July 10 2013 22:51 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:49 TheDwf wrote:On July 10 2013 22:49 edgeOut wrote:
Flash can't beat Mini, man. Don't ever expect him to be a OSL/GSL champion anymore. Semis appearance will be highlights of his SC2 career. You forgot to add he should probably retire as well. Staying in Code S as a gatekeeper is pretty decent for a player, and he contributes big in teamleague, why retire?
Because losing mini is apparently the end of the world, so when the world ends you just retire. Logical thought.
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United States97276 Posts
Dont worry Flash fans. Once HammEr improves his macro a little he'll be the new Terran hope
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On July 10 2013 22:49 jmihere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:33 NarutO wrote:
Cannot believe the stupidity of people who think KT/Flash cheats or does match fixing, and being suprised over a 2-1 victory when he should be the clear favorite in this match.
Flash was clearly off his game in Game 1. The reason there are rumblings in the forums was over how KT handled this situation. If you don't think eSports team can resort to match fixing when there is huge sponsorship money or gambling involved, I've got a bridge to sell you. It's only 3 years ago when eSports took a hit in Korea because of match fixing. And take a guess which team was involved?
I thought that game 1 was pretty sick. Great play by both players.
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On July 10 2013 22:49 jmihere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 22:33 NarutO wrote:
Cannot believe the stupidity of people who think KT/Flash cheats or does match fixing, and being suprised over a 2-1 victory when he should be the clear favorite in this match.
Flash was clearly off his game in Game 1. The reason there are rumblings in the forums was over how KT handled this situation. If you don't think eSports team can resort to match fixing when there is huge sponsorship money or gambling involved, I've got a bridge to sell you. It's only 3 years ago when eSports took a hit in Korea because of match fixing. And take a guess which team was involved?
One player of KT Rolster, Luxury. 5 From Hite Sparkyz, 1 Airforce Ace, 1 STX, 1 CJ Entus, 1 HwaSeung Oz and 1 eSTRO .... so you are basically saying all teams would do that? I doubt the teams or team owners were invovled, but rather the players.
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