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On June 28 2013 21:15 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:12 Thrillz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:05 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote:
oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion Sniper... jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p So? DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet... Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him. ......... I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good... Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\ How? I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore. So what now?
Bad wording...
Anyway the point is NesTea wasn't the best.
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I like how this thread is a history lesson on starcraft 2, the great derailing of 2013.
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On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote:
MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/ People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side. Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet. Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
innovation is the BEST RTS player of all time sorry guys
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On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote:
MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/ People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side. Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet. Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math. In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets. Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
Isn't not choking part of being good?
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On June 28 2013 21:17 opterown wrote:
innovation is the BEST RTS player of all time sorry guys
Says Tastosis who thought Nestea was the best.
double down
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On June 28 2013 21:12 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:05 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote:
oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion Sniper... jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p So? DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet... Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him. ......... I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good... Uh... what?
NESTEAAAAAAAAAA
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On June 28 2013 21:16 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:15 StarVe wrote:On June 28 2013 21:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:12 Thrillz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:05 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote:
oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion Sniper... jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p So? DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet... Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him. ......... I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good... Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\ How? I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore. I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good... So what now? Bad wording... Anyway the point is NesTea wasn't the best.
He was. He pushed DRG to the brink. Mvp and him have had many close series. He won the blizzcon winner's finals for god's sake. He showed how ahead he was of the curve when he spine crawler rushed on dual sight and people orgasmed. For God's sake man.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
I first thought you were being sarcastic, but then I saw you are Romanian. And now im kinda confused
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you can't say "Nestea wasn't good 2 years ago because many people are better now". that doesn't make sense.
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On June 28 2013 21:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:12 Thrillz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:05 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote:
oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion Sniper... jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p So? DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet... Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him. ......... I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good... Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\ How? I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore.
Mid-2011, GSL July. 3rd GSL. Perfect Season. Definitely not the best Zerg.
Also, you fall into the trap of comparing different eras, which people don't do in competitions.
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On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote:
MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/ People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side. Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet. Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math. In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets. Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead. Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 28 2013 21:18 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:17 opterown wrote:
innovation is the BEST RTS player of all time sorry guys Says Tastosis who thought Nestea was the best. double down
Creator of the Universe is different from best rts player of all of the times, guys
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On June 28 2013 21:19 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:12 Thrillz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:05 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote:
oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion Sniper... jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p So? DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet... Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him. ......... I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good... Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\ How? I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore. Mid-2011, GSL July. 3rd GSL. Perfect Season. Definitely not the best Zerg. Also, you fall into the trap of comparing different eras, which people don't do in competitions.
I'm talking about May through winter here.
And again, perfect season isn't so perfect when most of your opponents are absolutely terrible.
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On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote:
MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/ People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side. Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet. Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math. In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets. Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead. Isn't not choking part of being good? That's still a bunch of players who would have done it. And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
What happened is what happened, not what you come up with in your head
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Wasn't Leenock "Nestea's apprentice" lol
and... Cliiiiiiide!
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On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote:
MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/ People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side. Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet. Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math. In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets. Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
I know bomber probably would've achieved at least one GSL win in WoL if he didn't choke. Many people have had miracle runs. Who the fuck predicted that forGG would suddenly crush flash and JD to take his MSL? NO one predicted Bisu to win vs Savior. That does not mean that they are not skilled.
Edit: I mean that people probably thought that was bracket luck for savior or flash etc.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 28 2013 21:18 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:16 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:15 StarVe wrote:On June 28 2013 21:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:12 Thrillz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:05 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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Sniper... jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p So? DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet... Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him. ......... I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good... Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\ How? I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore. I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good... So what now? Bad wording... Anyway the point is NesTea wasn't the best. He was. He pushed DRG to the brink. Mvp and him have had many close series. He won the blizzcon winner's finals for god's sake. He showed how ahead he was of the curve when he spine crawler rushed on dual sight and people orgasmed. For God's sake man.
He held a 4gate with one zergling and a queen (when it hit)
For god's sake how is that not amazing even by today's standards
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On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote:
MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/ People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side. Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet. Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math. In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets. Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead. Isn't not choking part of being good? That's still a bunch of players who would have done it. And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set. Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
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On June 28 2013 21:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote:
MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/ People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side. Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet. Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math. In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets. Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead. Isn't not choking part of being good? That's still a bunch of players who would have done it. And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set. Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best. You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
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