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Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime.
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On June 28 2013 21:22 YoungTyTy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote:
MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/ People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side. Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet. Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math. In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets. Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead. Isn't not choking part of being good? That's still a bunch of players who would have done it. And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set. Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best. You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who... Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On June 28 2013 21:22 Dodgin wrote:
Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime.
Prime has a GSTL throphy
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On June 28 2013 21:22 Dodgin wrote:
Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime.
Haha, I just remembered that ST now has 2 GSL badges. was about to say that NSH has a gsl trophy and ST didn't, like pre-Life era.
BTW: Polt won one as polt prime, it counts.
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On June 28 2013 21:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:22 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote:
MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/ People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side. Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet. Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math. In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets. Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead. Isn't not choking part of being good? That's still a bunch of players who would have done it. And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set. Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best. You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who... Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky. Ok I'm done here. I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
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On June 28 2013 21:24 YoungTyTy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:22 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math. In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets. Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead. Isn't not choking part of being good? That's still a bunch of players who would have done it. And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set. Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best. You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who... Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky. Ok I'm done here. I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be. Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
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On June 28 2013 21:24 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:24 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:22 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote:
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Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math. In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets. Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead. Isn't not choking part of being good? That's still a bunch of players who would have done it. And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set. Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best. You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who... Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky. Ok I'm done here. I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be. Not with your points its not Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
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On June 28 2013 21:20 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:19 Thrillz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:12 Thrillz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:07 Flonomenalz wrote:On June 28 2013 21:05 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote:
oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion Sniper... jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p So? DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet... Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him. ......... I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good... Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\ How? I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore. Mid-2011, GSL July. 3rd GSL. Perfect Season. Definitely not the best Zerg. Also, you fall into the trap of comparing different eras, which people don't do in competitions. I'm talking about May through winter here. And again, perfect season isn't so perfect when most of your opponents are absolutely terrible.
Still the probably the best from May to Winter. Don't compare different eras. By this, this means that Boxer, NaDa, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, iloveoov are terrible compared to the top players at the end of BW
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On June 28 2013 21:24 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:22 Dodgin wrote:
Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime. Haha, I just remembered that ST now has 2 GSL badges. was about to say that NSH has a gsl trophy and ST didn't, like pre-Life era. BTW: Polt won one as polt prime, it counts.
Well the old "core" StarTale roster doesn't have any, although I don't remember if they had anything for Code A winners.. hmm :/
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On June 28 2013 21:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:22 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote:
MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/ People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side. Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet. Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math. In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets. Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead. Isn't not choking part of being good? That's still a bunch of players who would have done it. And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set. Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best. You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who... Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky. Ok I'm done here. I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Well that is kinda hard when you say the most accomplished zerg player in sc2 is not good.
He won 3 GSL, one completely flawless.
The whole logic of "he beat terrible players" is so flawed it hurts. Do you also invalidate July's golden mouse? Or Boxers accomplishments?
The man got a bloody award named after him for god sake.
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On June 28 2013 21:24 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:24 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:22 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote:
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Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math. In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets. Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead. Isn't not choking part of being good? That's still a bunch of players who would have done it. And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set. Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best. You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who... Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky. Ok I'm done here. I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be. Not with your points its not Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
He won the tournament with the best players in the world at the time. If they were better, they would have won. Who do you think was better that got so unlucky they couldn't beat their opponents, even though they are supposedly better.
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On June 28 2013 21:25 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:24 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:24 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:22 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead. Isn't not choking part of being good? That's still a bunch of players who would have done it. And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set. Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best. You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who... Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky. Ok I'm done here. I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be. Not with your points its not Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world. Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
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On June 28 2013 21:23 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:22 Dodgin wrote:
Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime. Prime has a GSTL throphy
I guess you're right, Prime not only has a GSTL trophy but a GSTL trophy covered in the blood of Startale and their fans.
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On June 28 2013 21:25 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:24 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:22 Dodgin wrote:
Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime. Haha, I just remembered that ST now has 2 GSL badges. was about to say that NSH has a gsl trophy and ST didn't, like pre-Life era. BTW: Polt won one as polt prime, it counts. Well the old "core" StarTale roster doesn't have any, although I don't remember if they had anything for Code A winners.. hmm :/
You didn't get anything special for GSL Code A IIRC. They do have 2 of those, and IIRC one of them is flawless (curious)
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Belgica34432 Posts
On June 28 2013 21:26 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:23 Lorning wrote:On June 28 2013 21:22 Dodgin wrote:
Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime. Prime has a GSTL throphy I guess you're right, Prime not only has a GSTL trophy but a GSTL trophy covered in the blood of Startale and their fans.
The best kind of throphy :D
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On June 28 2013 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:25 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:24 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:24 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:22 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote:
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Isn't not choking part of being good? That's still a bunch of players who would have done it. And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set. Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best. You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who... Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky. Ok I'm done here. I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be. Not with your points its not Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world. Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time. Agreed. But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
And MVP? And MKP?
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On June 28 2013 21:24 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:22 Dodgin wrote:
Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime. Haha, I just remembered that ST now has 2 GSL badges. was about to say that NSH has a gsl trophy and ST didn't, like pre-Life era. BTW: Polt won one as polt prime, it counts.
It can't count when he took it with him when he left Prime :D
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On June 28 2013 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 21:25 Wintex wrote:On June 28 2013 21:24 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:24 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:22 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote:On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote:
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Isn't not choking part of being good? That's still a bunch of players who would have done it. And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set. Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best. You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who... Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky. Ok I'm done here. I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be. Not with your points its not Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world. Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time. Agreed. But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
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http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors1/vod/59977
One zergling and one queen vs about 7 stalkers, one voidray, 3 sentries and a zealot or two. And 5 warpgates. Nestea was building 16 lings and 6 roaches, but the attack hit before they finished building. How is that not crazy
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