On June 28 2013 11:25 TommyP wrote: So TL just decided to stop doing GSTL coverage or what?
Not enough esports passion maybe. Probably not enough writing staff.
I was going to apply to become a TL writer but I didn't have free time to do the application
you can probs just PM wax anytime tbh
He's scary. I don't want to risk it.
I PM'd waxy once, to ask for a change in an LR OP's poster because I had to leave for a meeting, but he didn't mind me despite posting just a page earlier
On June 28 2013 11:25 TommyP wrote: So TL just decided to stop doing GSTL coverage or what?
Not enough esports passion maybe. Probably not enough writing staff.
I was going to apply to become a TL writer but I didn't have free time to do the application
you can probs just PM wax anytime tbh
He's scary. I don't want to risk it.
I PM'd waxy once, to ask for a change in an LR OP's poster because I had to leave for a meeting, but he didn't mind me despite posting just a page earlier
wax PMs me every now and then with snarky stuff about seeks lol
mvp build also has the double reactor. Interesting, looks like he somehow transition it into a macro build. usually people would be screaming "oh but the upgrades will be late, not a viable build" lol
I think if Tassadar loses this, he takes the crown of Worst GSTL Player Ever. I'd put him over Inori, Miya and J. While Miya and Inori never won, Tassadar's awfulness in team league has spanned almost two years now. It's a true testament to how bad he is in GSTL by how long he's been losing in team league.
On June 28 2013 18:45 Big J wrote: I'm missing the old days. When GSTL had a meaning
GSTL never had a meaning, to be honest. It always played 54th fiddle to everything else in sc2. I guess two of the finals last year were at big venues and were pretty exciting(or rage inducing) but overall it was never a big thing.
On June 28 2013 18:45 Big J wrote: I'm missing the old days. When GSTL had a meaning
I agree with this sentiment. GSTL feels just so empty nowadays with the advent of Proleague. I really want to see a 16 man proleague with both the ESF and KeSPA teams duking it out. That would be something.
Tassadar has lost SIXTEEN FUCKING TIMES in team league. He is the king we deserve. The rest all quit. The rest all gave up on their dreams. Tassadar proves that if you keep at it, you can strive for greatness.
On June 28 2013 18:50 Dodgin wrote: 16 times isn't that many over 2 years, Stork lost 10 games in a row in Proleague in the span of about two months.
Let me assure you, if GSTL had the same format as Proleague, Tassadar would be breaking records left and right. HoSeo have probably played less games all-time than Samsung Khan has played this season in Proleague.
On June 28 2013 18:50 Dodgin wrote: 16 times isn't that many over 2 years, Stork lost 10 games in a row in Proleague in the span of about two months.
Let me assure you, if GSTL had the same format as Proleague, Tassadar would be breaking records left and right. HoSeo have probably played less games all-time than Samsung Khan has played this season in Proleague.
On June 28 2013 18:45 Big J wrote: I'm missing the old days. When GSTL had a meaning
I agree with this sentiment. GSTL feels just so empty nowadays with the advent of Proleague. I really want to see a 16 man proleague with both the ESF and KeSPA teams duking it out. That would be something.
Not very likely to happen with the state of Team 8 and AZUBU, and obviously NSH and Prime have been looking piss poor lately as well. (not sure how well they're doing financially though so I'm not even going to speculate on that) Dropouts would have to be replaced with foreign teams in addition to EG/TL/EG-TL and Ax-Acer still competing for a 16-man league to happen, and I honestly don't know what foreign team would commit so heavily to a league that they quite frankly have almost no chance of ever winning.
You know, all of this beside the fact that OGN and GOM are at odds...
On June 28 2013 18:50 Dodgin wrote: 16 times isn't that many over 2 years, Stork lost 10 games in a row in Proleague in the span of about two months.
Let me assure you, if GSTL had the same format as Proleague, Tassadar would be breaking records left and right. HoSeo have probably played less games all-time than Samsung Khan has played this season in Proleague.
Hm yeah, probably. This season of Proleague has nearly played more games in sc2 than GSTL has ever.
The thing about Tassadar is that he hasn't been close to victory in over a year. If he had a few close games, choked a few, etc., then you can make a case that he deserves to be in the starting four. But he has literally not been close in any games in the past year. He's just continually got his ass kicked and everyone laughing at how bad he is. This is from a guy who really thought he was going to be good back when he made the Code A finals against Puzzle.
On June 28 2013 19:01 Fionn wrote: The thing about Tassadar is that he hasn't been close to victory in over a year. If he had a few close games, choked a few, etc., then you can make a case that he deserves to be in the starting four. But he has literally not been close in any games in the past year. He's just continually got his ass kicked and everyone laughing at how bad he is. This is from a guy who really thought he was going to be good back when he made the Code A finals against Puzzle.
Everyone who followed Code A that season thought he was going to be good. They thought even higher of Puzzle and look where he is now...
But it's true, most Tassadar games have been a massacre.
On June 28 2013 18:45 Big J wrote: I'm missing the old days. When GSTL had a meaning
GSTL never had a meaning, to be honest. It always played 54th fiddle to everything else in sc2. I guess two of the finals last year were at big venues and were pretty exciting(or rage inducing) but overall it was never a big thing.
yeah, it never was big overall, but the finals were very exciting. I'm neither watching proleague nor GSTL extensively these days. Both of them are not really exciting to me (unless EG-TL plays or it's some topteams in an allkill format).
They really should do something together and get a reasonable format and schedule.
On June 28 2013 19:01 Fionn wrote: The thing about Tassadar is that he hasn't been close to victory in over a year. If he had a few close games, choked a few, etc., then you can make a case that he deserves to be in the starting four. But he has literally not been close in any games in the past year. He's just continually got his ass kicked and everyone laughing at how bad he is. This is from a guy who really thought he was going to be good back when he made the Code A finals against Puzzle.
Everyone who followed Code A that season thought he was going to be good. They thought even higher of Puzzle and look where he is now...
But it's true, most Tassadar games have been a massacre.
At least puzzle is making a salary on KT, not to bad.
So easy to make a terran pull workers now. But can't belief how he lost those oracles. even 4 drop ships can't drop fast enough to not have whats inside melted before it does damage. But well he was out of Energy I think.
I wonder if anything will happen between GSTL seasons to help some of these teams out, they still seem to get decent viewer numbers for these all kills but I wonder for how long.
On June 28 2013 19:20 Laryleprakon wrote: I wonder if anything will happen between GSTL seasons to help some of these teams out, they still seem to get decent viewer numbers for these all kills but I wonder for how long.
the korean scene isn't big enough for gomtv to justify spending a lot of money to help the weaker teams out sadly.
On June 28 2013 18:16 Musicus wrote: It feels like it's been a long time since the points in FGSTL were updated.
I'm okay with this, Ryung is on my anti team.
He's going to be like -28 after today.
My anti team is all Axiom-Acer, safe to say I'm doing fantastic -.-
Why would you make such a disgustingly uneducated choice? D:
To be fair my original anti-team before gambling that sC would be too new to come out (Boy did that work out) was also going to be axiom-acer, hard to bet on a new team without a coach and plenty of foreign commitments spread out amongst a small team.
On June 28 2013 19:43 TeeTS wrote: someone should tell madbull that colossus are way slower than stimmed bio. Perhaps then he stops running away with them and losing everything.
I love you Madbull, u so gosu ! Such an awesome game ! Big fights were not perfectly done by him but his play and multitasking was really good overall.
On June 28 2013 19:44 Scarecrow wrote: That one missed zealot killing 14 workers really made the difference, felt like Ryung outplayed Madbull aside from that.
I agree that the zealot was somewhat important, but I felt that is was Madbull who outplayed Ryung this game. Despite a very bad army control, he managed to win by good defense, army placement and runbys.
On June 28 2013 19:48 Kasaraki wrote: Imagine if Azubu wins this season.
With what team?
The team will still stand, they are just going to be ran by a different area of Azubu. (They are only pulling Korea operations, not the rest of the world).
On June 28 2013 20:26 Daimai wrote: What did they say about "dat ass" etc? Can anyone please recap that entire segment for me, I missed it..
Scarlett was next to play, and walked to the booth. The camera was showing a shot of the NSHS bench. Khaldor thought they all they went 'dat ass', and found it hilarious. Wolf didn't play along.
On June 28 2013 20:24 Wintex wrote: Khaldor needs dat break.
What did he say? I missed it.
Scarlett was walking to the booth and we got a shot of the NSHS bench where everyone looked a little surprised. Khaldor began giggling and said that it looked like they were thinking "dat ass" and then his laugh couldn't be contained. Khaldor is so funny. ^_^
On June 28 2013 20:26 Daimai wrote: What did they say about "dat ass" etc? Can anyone please recap that entire segment for me, I missed it..
Scarlett was next to play, and walked to the booth. The camera was showing a shot of the NSHS bench. Khaldor thought they all they went 'dat ass', and found it hilarious. Wolf didn't play along.
Lol... Khaldor sometimes just let his mind loose (which I find to be good actually)..
Scarlett's a fuckin foreign barbarian, did you see what she did to polt and symbol in RSL? Can't believe AxA have waited this long to unleash their secret weapon...
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
On June 28 2013 20:29 Dodgin wrote: Wow, I just checked and MMA has only played in one premier tournament so far in 2013, and the year is half over.
well, you need to practice before you can win tournaments, everyone does it taht way, even life who won so many tournaments, i think he is only losing now because he wasn't able to practice as much as he used to. so maybe mma will come back strong!
On June 28 2013 20:29 Dodgin wrote: Wow, I just checked and MMA has only played in one premier tournament so far in 2013, and the year is half over.
well, you need to practice before you can win tournaments, everyone does it taht way, even life who won so many tournaments, i think he is only losing now because he wasn't able to practice as much as he used to. so maybe mma will come back strong!
Life had a full month where he didn't play a single match, he had lots of time to practice. I think if you don't have upcoming games to practice for you get complacent, lazy and worse overall.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
That wasn't the primary reason for the slump. The Slayers drama meant MMA had a destructive effect on his mindset and practice, and the queen patch made his amazing TvZ his worst matchup, and with the difficulties Terrans were having, it also meant less TvT, which was his other strong matchup.
On June 28 2013 20:31 Wintex wrote: By the way. Do you guys think Prime can redeem themselves and win vs FXO? We need it to happen so StarTale has a shot :D!
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
On June 28 2013 20:31 Wintex wrote: By the way. Do you guys think Prime can redeem themselves and win vs FXO? We need it to happen so StarTale has a shot :D!
well, atleast prime brings a new player. not beeing 100% predictable is a good start.
On June 28 2013 20:31 Wintex wrote: By the way. Do you guys think Prime can redeem themselves and win vs FXO? We need it to happen so StarTale has a shot :D!
On June 28 2013 20:31 Wintex wrote: By the way. Do you guys think Prime can redeem themselves and win vs FXO? We need it to happen so StarTale has a shot :D!
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
On June 28 2013 20:31 Laryleprakon wrote: I wonder if MMA can beat the Korea to EU lag this week for his WCS group.
MMA was in EU for the ro32 last season so he will probably go back again for this season. When you're not much better than everyone else in your group you don't want to be playing with a severe disadvantage.
On June 28 2013 20:31 Wintex wrote: By the way. Do you guys think Prime can redeem themselves and win vs FXO? We need it to happen so StarTale has a shot :D!
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
That wasn't the primary reason for the slump. The Slayers drama meant MMA had a destructive effect on his mindset and practice, and the queen patch made his amazing TvZ his worst matchup, and with the difficulties Terrans were having, it also meant less TvT, which was his other strong matchup.
He wasn't preforming well a long time before the Slayers drama, obviously it didn't help him but I think Coach Ryu a pretty decent impact especially with how well he has done with WJS lately.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
On June 28 2013 20:31 Laryleprakon wrote: I wonder if MMA can beat the Korea to EU lag this week for his WCS group.
MMA was in EU for the ro32 last season so he will probably go back again for this season. When you're not much better than everyone else in your group you don't want to be playing with a severe disadvantage.
He plays in 4 days so I hope he is leaving soon. It would be sad to not see him for another few months outside online tournaments.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Hmm.. how is Mvp mechanically inferior?
It's one of the clichés around, according to which Mvp is even mechanically "bad". As if you could achieve RO4 WCS Finals on the basis of pure decision making.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Hmm.. how is Mvp mechanically inferior?
I love watching Mvp fanboys convince themselves of his various abilities.
On June 28 2013 20:31 Wintex wrote: By the way. Do you guys think Prime can redeem themselves and win vs FXO? We need it to happen so StarTale has a shot :D!
No I don't but ST doesn't need them to anyway
Really? I just want to secure it in case ST gets all killed.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
On June 28 2013 20:31 Laryleprakon wrote: I wonder if MMA can beat the Korea to EU lag this week for his WCS group.
MMA was in EU for the ro32 last season so he will probably go back again for this season. When you're not much better than everyone else in your group you don't want to be playing with a severe disadvantage.
He plays in 4 days so I hope he is leaving soon. It would be sad to not see him for another few months outside online tournaments.
Pretty sure he is going to play from Korea with ping like Mvp did. Don't quote me on this cause I am not entirely sure but I think so
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Hmm.. how is Mvp mechanically inferior?
It's one of the clichés around, according to which Mvp is even mechanically "bad". As if you could achieve RO4 WCS Finals on the basis of pure decision making.
Well he played BW terran and even if he wasn't top tier player he was hardly "Nestea2... I know I am Mvp fan but to say he is mechanically inferior is just... incorrect.
I could understand if someone said he is inferior to Flash or Innovation in mechanics.. but Squirtle? Seriously?
On June 28 2013 20:29 Dodgin wrote: Wow, I just checked and MMA has only played in one premier tournament so far in 2013, and the year is half over.
well, you need to practice before you can win tournaments, everyone does it taht way, even life who won so many tournaments, i think he is only losing now because he wasn't able to practice as much as he used to. so maybe mma will come back strong!
Life had a full month where he didn't play a single match, he had lots of time to practice. I think if you don't have upcoming games to practice for you get complacent, lazy and worse overall.
ye might be, but i don't think mma was lazy. he is always so sad when he gets asked about his poor performances. a man can hope!
On June 28 2013 20:31 Wintex wrote: By the way. Do you guys think Prime can redeem themselves and win vs FXO? We need it to happen so StarTale has a shot :D!
No I don't but ST doesn't need them to anyway
Really? I just want to secure it in case ST gets all killed.
Welp it's probably gonna be a curb stomp for FXO. Chance coming up suggests they're going to use this match as a field exercise for their new b-teamers.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
Did you watch squirtle stream? He's got to be the worst in mechanics as far as GSL tournaments go lol.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
That wasn't the primary reason for the slump. The Slayers drama meant MMA had a destructive effect on his mindset and practice, and the queen patch made his amazing TvZ his worst matchup, and with the difficulties Terrans were having, it also meant less TvT, which was his other strong matchup.
He wasn't preforming well a long time before the Slayers drama, obviously it didn't help him but I think Coach Ryu a pretty decent impact especially with how well he has done with WJS lately.
Well, the Slayers drama took place over a long time. In an interview, MMA told how the bad atmosphere was hurting his mindset before his Code S Ro8 match against aLive in GSL Season 1, the season that DRG won. This was really early in the year.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
That wasn't the primary reason for the slump. The Slayers drama meant MMA had a destructive effect on his mindset and practice, and the queen patch made his amazing TvZ his worst matchup, and with the difficulties Terrans were having, it also meant less TvT, which was his other strong matchup.
Yeah that was the reason for his slump for the rest of 2012 and I suppose you could apply it to the end of WOL as well. He hasn't become a top player again in HotS even though he should have everything in place to allow his comeback, with the Axiom partnership and all that.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
On June 28 2013 20:31 Wintex wrote: By the way. Do you guys think Prime can redeem themselves and win vs FXO? We need it to happen so StarTale has a shot :D!
No I don't but ST doesn't need them to anyway
Really? I just want to secure it in case ST gets all killed.
Nah FXO can still advance over ST depending. If ST gets all killed and FXO wins without dropping too many maps they advance. So I still have faith in FXO ^^
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Hmm.. how is Mvp mechanically inferior?
It's one of the clichés around, according to which Mvp is even mechanically "bad". As if you could achieve RO4 WCS Finals on the basis of pure decision making.
Of course he is not "bad". Every foreigner is probably worse than him. But compared to other players who have very good results (Innovation, Flash) or even macro terrans who are not considered championship contenders (Ryung, Bomber) he is way less impressive.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
Normally I'm not the biggest fan of drugs, but whatever you're on must be some really potent shit. Where can I find some?
On June 28 2013 20:31 Wintex wrote: By the way. Do you guys think Prime can redeem themselves and win vs FXO? We need it to happen so StarTale has a shot :D!
No I don't but ST doesn't need them to anyway
Really? I just want to secure it in case ST gets all killed.
Nah FXO can still advance over ST depending. If ST gets all killed and FXO wins without dropping too many maps they advance. So I still have faith in FXO ^^
Or we can both advance and AZUBU can die to MVP without winning a map or choking like EG dota.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
On June 28 2013 20:31 Wintex wrote: By the way. Do you guys think Prime can redeem themselves and win vs FXO? We need it to happen so StarTale has a shot :D!
No I don't but ST doesn't need them to anyway
Really? I just want to secure it in case ST gets all killed.
Nah FXO can still advance over ST depending. If ST gets all killed and FXO wins without dropping too many maps they advance. So I still have faith in FXO ^^
Or we can both advance and AZUBU can die to MVP without winning a map or choking like EG dota.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
That wasn't the primary reason for the slump. The Slayers drama meant MMA had a destructive effect on his mindset and practice, and the queen patch made his amazing TvZ his worst matchup, and with the difficulties Terrans were having, it also meant less TvT, which was his other strong matchup.
Yeah that was the reason for his slump for the rest of 2012 and I suppose you could apply it to the end of WOL as well. He hasn't become a top player again in HotS even though he should have everything in place to allow his comeback, with the Axiom partnership and all that.
There has been times when MMA looked like the MMA of 2011 (Acer Teamstory Cup). But it takes a while to get back to the top if you have fallen, and with the influx of Kespa talent, it will be exceedingly hard to reach his former heights.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
That wasn't the primary reason for the slump. The Slayers drama meant MMA had a destructive effect on his mindset and practice, and the queen patch made his amazing TvZ his worst matchup, and with the difficulties Terrans were having, it also meant less TvT, which was his other strong matchup.
Yeah that was the reason for his slump for the rest of 2012 and I suppose you could apply it to the end of WOL as well. He hasn't become a top player again in HotS even though he should have everything in place to allow his comeback, with the Axiom partnership and all that.
There has been times when MMA looked like the MMA of 2011 (Acer Teamstory Cup). But it takes a while to get back to the top if you have fallen, and with the influx of Kespa talent, it will be exceedingly hard to reach his former heights.
I don't watch ATC because It's on at the worst time possible for me, so maybe I'm missing a lot of MMA games. It would be nice to see him at some big individual league tournaments like MLG or IEM, but Acer hasn't been sending him to any this year.
On June 28 2013 20:39 Taryssa wrote: Hope Scarlett can take this to game 7
uh if Scarlett wins it wont be a game 7
Take it to game 7 by losing?
Do people phrase it that way though? I thought that if you hoped for Scarlett to lose you would say "I hope Jjakji can take it to game 7". I am not a native speaker so I dunno
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
On June 28 2013 20:39 Taryssa wrote: Hope Scarlett can take this to game 7
uh if Scarlett wins it wont be a game 7
Take it to game 7 by losing?
Do people phrase it that way though? I thought that if you hoped for Scarlett to lose you would say "I hope Jjakji can take it to game 7". I am not a native speaker so I dunno
I meant it ironically. You are correct that it would be proper to root for jjakji and say that you hope he can take it but I'm not a big fan of either player, just want to see more games
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
That wasn't the primary reason for the slump. The Slayers drama meant MMA had a destructive effect on his mindset and practice, and the queen patch made his amazing TvZ his worst matchup, and with the difficulties Terrans were having, it also meant less TvT, which was his other strong matchup.
Yeah that was the reason for his slump for the rest of 2012 and I suppose you could apply it to the end of WOL as well. He hasn't become a top player again in HotS even though he should have everything in place to allow his comeback, with the Axiom partnership and all that.
There has been times when MMA looked like the MMA of 2011 (Acer Teamstory Cup). But it takes a while to get back to the top if you have fallen, and with the influx of Kespa talent, it will be exceedingly hard to reach his former heights.
I don't watch ATC because It's on at the worst time possible for me, so maybe I'm missing a lot of MMA games. It would be nice to see him at some big individual league tournaments like MLG or IEM, but Acer hasn't been sending him to any this year.
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote: [quote] slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Ah, this was right after his second place at IPL4 and his pretty sick streak in the GSL right? Makes more sense then, but yeah, beating Mvp in a BO7 is something else.
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
[quote]
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Ah, this was right after his second place at IPL4 and his pretty sick streak in the GSL right? Makes more sense then, but yeah, beating Mvp in a BO7 is something else.
Yup this was right after Squirtle's breakout performance at IPL4 and he went through that GSL season only losing one map in the ro32, he went undefeated in the ro16 through to the finals.
On June 28 2013 20:27 WigglingSquid wrote: [quote] I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Ah, this was right after his second place at IPL4 and his pretty sick streak in the GSL right? Makes more sense then, but yeah, beating Mvp in a BO7 is something else.
Yup this was right after Squirtle's breakout performance at IPL4 and he went through that GSL season only losing one map in the ro32, he went undefeated in the ro16 through to the finals.
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Ah, this was right after his second place at IPL4 and his pretty sick streak in the GSL right? Makes more sense then, but yeah, beating Mvp in a BO7 is something else.
Yup this was right after Squirtle's breakout performance at IPL4 and he went through that GSL season only losing one map in the ro32, he went undefeated in the ro16 through to the finals.
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Ah, this was right after his second place at IPL4 and his pretty sick streak in the GSL right? Makes more sense then, but yeah, beating Mvp in a BO7 is something else.
Yup this was right after Squirtle's breakout performance at IPL4 and he went through that GSL season only losing one map in the ro32, he went undefeated in the ro16 through to the finals.
Nobody slaps down hype like Mvp.
That whole season was just Mvp slapping down hype. First smacking Naniwa in the ro8 in Naniwa's first Code S season, then smacking down Parting who looked unbeatable in PvT and said in his interview he would 3-0 Mvp, then slapping down the undefeated Squirtle.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Ah, this was right after his second place at IPL4 and his pretty sick streak in the GSL right? Makes more sense then, but yeah, beating Mvp in a BO7 is something else.
Yup this was right after Squirtle's breakout performance at IPL4 and he went through that GSL season only losing one map in the ro32, he went undefeated in the ro16 through to the finals.
Nobody slaps down hype like Mvp.
That whole season was just Mvp slapping down hype. First stopping Naniwa in the ro8 in Naniwa's first Code S season, then smacking down Parting who looked unbeatable in PvT and said in his interview he would 3-0 Mvp, then slapping down the undefeated Squirtle.
Damn, that was a good GSL season.
I mostly remember the tears after naniwa vs MVP. That was the definition of jokes.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Ah, this was right after his second place at IPL4 and his pretty sick streak in the GSL right? Makes more sense then, but yeah, beating Mvp in a BO7 is something else.
Yup this was right after Squirtle's breakout performance at IPL4 and he went through that GSL season only losing one map in the ro32, he went undefeated in the ro16 through to the finals.
Nobody slaps down hype like Mvp.
That whole season was just Mvp slapping down hype. First stopping Naniwa in the ro8 in Naniwa's first Code S season, then smacking down Parting who looked unbeatable in PvT and said in his interview he would 3-0 Mvp, then slapping down the undefeated Squirtle.
Damn, that was a good GSL season.
My favourite sofar, everytime Mvp was seen as the underdog and everytime he came through. Loved it.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Ah, this was right after his second place at IPL4 and his pretty sick streak in the GSL right? Makes more sense then, but yeah, beating Mvp in a BO7 is something else.
Yup this was right after Squirtle's breakout performance at IPL4 and he went through that GSL season only losing one map in the ro32, he went undefeated in the ro16 through to the finals.
Nobody slaps down hype like Mvp.
That whole season was just Mvp slapping down hype. First stopping Naniwa in the ro8 in Naniwa's first Code S season, then smacking down Parting who looked unbeatable in PvT and said in his interview he would 3-0 Mvp, then slapping down the undefeated Squirtle.
Damn, that was a good GSL season.
That was the "Won't be denied" season that truly cemented MVP as a true legend of SC2. He already had a reputation as a winner and a champion but that season was something special.
On June 28 2013 20:27 WigglingSquid wrote: [quote] I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Ah, this was right after his second place at IPL4 and his pretty sick streak in the GSL right? Makes more sense then, but yeah, beating Mvp in a BO7 is something else.
Yup this was right after Squirtle's breakout performance at IPL4 and he went through that GSL season only losing one map in the ro32, he went undefeated in the ro16 through to the finals.
Well a lot of guys looked unbeatable until you put them in the booth against Mvp... Terran is probably mechanically most demanding race (at least in my opinion) so any terran that could win 4 gsl champions is mechanically very solid player..
On June 28 2013 20:22 Qwerty85 wrote: What happened to MMA? He was such a great player and then he basically dissapeared
He stopped producing results after the Queen range patch in May 2012, he made it back into Code S once in 2012 S4 but fell out immediately.
He plays in WCS EU now, lost in the ro16 last season.
On June 28 2013 20:22 DrPandaPhD wrote: [quote] slump pretty much
a 14 month slump ~_~
I'd also add that his performance after Coach Ryu left showed who was the mind behind MMA's play...
What if i told you. Boxer was the mind behind MMA's play.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Exactly. At that level style, mental work and preparation are needed to capitalize on your mechanical skill is higher. MKP suffered from the fact that his play was onedimensional and cheese happened way too much.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Ah, this was right after his second place at IPL4 and his pretty sick streak in the GSL right? Makes more sense then, but yeah, beating Mvp in a BO7 is something else.
Yup this was right after Squirtle's breakout performance at IPL4 and he went through that GSL season only losing one map in the ro32, he went undefeated in the ro16 through to the finals.
Nobody slaps down hype like Mvp.
That whole season was just Mvp slapping down hype. First stopping Naniwa in the ro8 in Naniwa's first Code S season, then smacking down Parting who looked unbeatable in PvT and said in his interview he would 3-0 Mvp, then slapping down the undefeated Squirtle.
Damn, that was a good GSL season.
My favourite sofar, everytime Mvp was seen as the underdog and everytime he came through. Loved it.
I don't know if Fionn or Waxangel share our feelings though, that entire season was nothing but MVP laughing in their faces.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Ah, this was right after his second place at IPL4 and his pretty sick streak in the GSL right? Makes more sense then, but yeah, beating Mvp in a BO7 is something else.
Yup this was right after Squirtle's breakout performance at IPL4 and he went through that GSL season only losing one map in the ro32, he went undefeated in the ro16 through to the finals.
Nobody slaps down hype like Mvp.
That whole season was just Mvp slapping down hype. First smacking Naniwa in the ro8 in Naniwa's first Code S season, then smacking down Parting who looked unbeatable in PvT and said in his interview he would 3-0 Mvp, then slapping down the undefeated Squirtle.
Damn, that was a good GSL season.
Agreed, my favorite one ever in fact. I liked the overall story of the three best protoss players in the world at the time (Parting, HerO, Squirtle) making it to the semifinals convincingly and then Mvp winning. He even killed the overall protoss hype. Hell, he killed the hype of Squirtle's amazing comeback with an 11/11 that failed and then still worked.
But still, he had solid mechanics as well, and terran is mostly for the mechanically good people, even Innovation admits he doesn't have a very strategic mind, he simply wins on macro and mechanics alone.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Ah, this was right after his second place at IPL4 and his pretty sick streak in the GSL right? Makes more sense then, but yeah, beating Mvp in a BO7 is something else.
Yup this was right after Squirtle's breakout performance at IPL4 and he went through that GSL season only losing one map in the ro32, he went undefeated in the ro16 through to the finals.
Nobody slaps down hype like Mvp.
That whole season was just Mvp slapping down hype. First smacking Naniwa in the ro8 in Naniwa's first Code S season, then smacking down Parting who looked unbeatable in PvT and said in his interview he would 3-0 Mvp, then slapping down the undefeated Squirtle.
Damn, that was a good GSL season.
Not to forget the reaction of Mvp after winning <3
On June 28 2013 20:48 Bagration wrote: I can't believe AxiomAcer allowed NSH to force an ace match. What the fuck
Ryung TvP T_T;;
TB will usually pop into threads to crow about how ryung's tvp is his best matchup, i don't think it's his weakest anymore
Well he did take HerO to a game 5 recently but watching him play both vs Tassadar (that near-throw) and vs Mad Bull... I don't know Kev it's looking not so hot ;;
when will the Hellvac bbq party stop double or quad hellvac ? x3
hope MMA will do an hellion runby before hellbats can hit and then just defend. Or don't go for orbitals and everytime hellbat comes load in 15 workers into the ccs and laugh.
On June 28 2013 20:48 Bagration wrote: I can't believe AxiomAcer allowed NSH to force an ace match. What the fuck
Ryung TvP T_T;;
TB will usually pop into threads to crow about how ryung's tvp is his best matchup, i don't think it's his weakest anymore
Well he did take HerO to a game 5 recently but watching him play both vs Tassadar (that near-throw) and vs Mad Bull... I don't know Kev it's looking not so hot ;;
Maybe ryung just has a hidden weakness vs hoseo protosses.
Actually Terran is the only race that gave us a GSL-Champion who was totally inferior mechanically to his opponent. MVP says Hi. But yeah. of course he had good mechanics. He still is decent. But since Boxer is gone he's a mid/low tier Code A player.
Someone seems upset that Mvp didn't win GSL October :p
What? Did i phrase that wrong, or did you just not read correctly. MVP is the GSL champ who won a a Championship despite him being inferior in every (mechanical) way to squirtle.
u wot m8
As much as I like Squirtle saying he's mechanicly superior to Mvp in almost every way seems abit silly.
At the time everyone seemed convinced that Squirtle was by far the better player in actual Stacraft 2 " mechanical skill ". It was probably true, but it didn't matter because he was worse at playing a bo7 and worse at winning tournaments.
Ah, this was right after his second place at IPL4 and his pretty sick streak in the GSL right? Makes more sense then, but yeah, beating Mvp in a BO7 is something else.
Yup this was right after Squirtle's breakout performance at IPL4 and he went through that GSL season only losing one map in the ro32, he went undefeated in the ro16 through to the finals.
Nobody slaps down hype like Mvp.
That whole season was just Mvp slapping down hype. First smacking Naniwa in the ro8 in Naniwa's first Code S season, then smacking down Parting who looked unbeatable in PvT and said in his interview he would 3-0 Mvp, then slapping down the undefeated Squirtle.
Damn, that was a good GSL season.
Not to forget the reaction of Mvp after winning <3
On June 28 2013 21:06 TeeTS wrote: I really don't know where all that hate for Prime comes from. Even Khaldor and Wolf bullying them for maybe being last now. xX
The " hate " comes from them using the same 4 players for 6 matches in a row.
On June 28 2013 21:06 TeeTS wrote: I really don't know where all that hate for Prime comes from. Even Khaldor and Wolf bullying them for maybe being last now. xX
Because they play the same 4 guys every week and they've been playing poorly.
I love Marineking, I love Byun but holy shit they need to figure out what's going wrong and fix it because only Maru has been pulling his weight lately.
On June 28 2013 21:04 Bagration wrote: This is fucking embarrassing.
It's going to be okay, MMA fan.
With a 6 person roster, how do you think AxiomAcer will fare in repeated Bo9s? They had to finish either 2nd or 1st to have a good shot
Even if they lose in the first round of the play offs I think they will be pretty happy for their first season, most people didn't think they would do that well at the start of the season.
On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote: oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion
Sniper...
jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p
So?
DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet...
Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him.
.........
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
Nestea was good. People didn't start cheering for him for nothing.
Yes, but since DongRaeGu started tearing up GSTL and MLG, NesTea was far from being the best Zerg. He was easily top 3 Zerg, but not the single best one. He was infinitely overhyped in that sense.
MMA was clearly not on point today with anything. If you guys saw any of his recent matches you'd know that. He probably thought he wouldn't have to play today, took his mind off it and paid the price.
Or at least, I'm pretty sure MMA isn't a low masters player.
MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote: oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion
Sniper...
jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p
So?
DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet...
Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him.
.........
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\
How?
I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore.
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote: oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion
Sniper...
jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p
So?
DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet...
Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him.
.........
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
Yeah, he only won 3 GSL's. And only one of those without losing a single game, what a scrub
Put them up against the likes of Ensnare, TheWinD, Kyrix, TricksteR, HongUn, InCa and I'm sure at least 30 players today could achieve the same feat.
Who cares about that? You are good in the time shit happens and that turns into results. People like DeMu could probably win an Open season now, but that matters little.
On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote: oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion
Sniper...
jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p
So?
DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet...
Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him.
.........
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\
How?
I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore.
I can agree with this, dunno what you're talking about with " not even going to argue with someone who thinks Nestea was good... " I think that came out a lot differently than you intended it to.
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
well best is always relative, so if you beat everyone then you are the best. he may not be good compared to today's players but he was for sure the best
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote: oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion
Sniper...
jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p
So?
DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet...
Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him.
.........
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\
How?
I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore.
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
well best is always relative, so if you beat everyone then you are the best. he may not be good compared to today's players but he was for sure the best
He didn't beat everyone.
He beat awful and mediocre players, struggled immensely against good players (or got destroyed by them). That's why he was merely a top Zerg, but not the single best.
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Being able to rise to the top before everyone else makes him good. He was able to do it faster than anyone else, it doesn't matter if they're better now.
On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote: oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion
Sniper...
jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p
So?
DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet...
Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him.
.........
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\
How?
I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore.
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote: oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion
Sniper...
jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p
So?
DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet...
Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him.
.........
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\
How?
I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore.
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
So what now?
Bad wording...
Anyway the point is NesTea wasn't the best.
He was. He pushed DRG to the brink. Mvp and him have had many close series. He won the blizzcon winner's finals for god's sake. He showed how ahead he was of the curve when he spine crawler rushed on dual sight and people orgasmed. For God's sake man.
On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote: oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion
Sniper...
jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p
So?
DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet...
Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him.
.........
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\
How?
I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore.
Mid-2011, GSL July. 3rd GSL. Perfect Season. Definitely not the best Zerg.
Also, you fall into the trap of comparing different eras, which people don't do in competitions.
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote: oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion
Sniper...
jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p
So?
DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet...
Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him.
.........
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\
How?
I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore.
Mid-2011, GSL July. 3rd GSL. Perfect Season. Definitely not the best Zerg.
Also, you fall into the trap of comparing different eras, which people don't do in competitions.
I'm talking about May through winter here.
And again, perfect season isn't so perfect when most of your opponents are absolutely terrible.
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best. What happened is what happened, not what you come up with in your head
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
I know bomber probably would've achieved at least one GSL win in WoL if he didn't choke. Many people have had miracle runs. Who the fuck predicted that forGG would suddenly crush flash and JD to take his MSL? NO one predicted Bisu to win vs Savior. That does not mean that they are not skilled.
Edit: I mean that people probably thought that was bracket luck for savior or flash etc.
On June 28 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
Sniper...
jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p
So?
DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet...
Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him.
.........
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\
How?
I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore.
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
So what now?
Bad wording...
Anyway the point is NesTea wasn't the best.
He was. He pushed DRG to the brink. Mvp and him have had many close series. He won the blizzcon winner's finals for god's sake. He showed how ahead he was of the curve when he spine crawler rushed on dual sight and people orgasmed. For God's sake man.
He held a 4gate with one zergling and a queen (when it hit)
For god's sake how is that not amazing even by today's standards
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
On June 28 2013 21:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote: [quote] Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
On June 28 2013 21:04 opterown wrote: oh yeahhhh jjakji still the best irrelevant GSL champion
Sniper...
jjakji in code a, sniper isn't ;p
So?
DongRaeGu was still in code B when he was the best ZvT and ZvZ on the planet...
Lol, best vZ? Back then? No way. Nestea's was still better then. Actually, Nestea had the best vZ until Life took that throne from him.
.........
I'm not even going to argue with someone who thinks NesTea was good...
Your statements continually makes less sense with each reply =\
How?
I'm just saying, NesTea took 2nd place in the hierarchy of skilled Zergs when DongRaeGu began his ascent. He wasn't terrible. He wasn't bad. He was fucking good. But starting with mid 2011 he wasn't *the best* anymore.
Mid-2011, GSL July. 3rd GSL. Perfect Season. Definitely not the best Zerg.
Also, you fall into the trap of comparing different eras, which people don't do in competitions.
I'm talking about May through winter here.
And again, perfect season isn't so perfect when most of your opponents are absolutely terrible.
Still the probably the best from May to Winter. Don't compare different eras. By this, this means that Boxer, NaDa, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, iloveoov are terrible compared to the top players at the end of BW
On June 28 2013 21:13 opterown wrote: MasterOfPuppets considering how strongly everyone is disagreeing with almost everything you say it may be better to stop trying to argue with everyone =/
People love their hype. It may be a fruitless endeavour but at least logic is on my side.
Rolling over the gutter trash of Code S that would never have been there if not for the broken system does not make you the best player on the planet.
Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Well that is kinda hard when you say the most accomplished zerg player in sc2 is not good. He won 3 GSL, one completely flawless. The whole logic of "he beat terrible players" is so flawed it hurts. Do you also invalidate July's golden mouse? Or Boxers accomplishments?
The man got a bloody award named after him for god sake.
On June 28 2013 21:16 Wintex wrote: [quote] Send me back to middle school and i'll show people how shit they are in math.
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
He won the tournament with the best players in the world at the time. If they were better, they would have won. Who do you think was better that got so unlucky they couldn't beat their opponents, even though they are supposedly better.
On June 28 2013 21:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
In the same conditions, Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, sC, MarineKing and probably MC would also have won without a hitch. But they didn't get the luckiest of brackets.
Bomber probably would have too, but he became the greatest choker instead.
Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote: [quote] Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
On June 28 2013 21:18 YoungTyTy wrote: [quote] Isn't not choking part of being good?
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
One zergling and one queen vs about 7 stalkers, one voidray, 3 sentries and a zealot or two. And 5 warpgates. Nestea was building 16 lings and 6 roaches, but the attack hit before they finished building. How is that not crazy
On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
And MVP?
In August Mvp 2-0'd the group of death (beating Polt and MC), then beat NesTea, HuK, July and TOP. Aside from HuK I don't see a player who was particularly weak at that point in time.
On June 28 2013 21:22 Dodgin wrote: Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime.
Haha, I just remembered that ST now has 2 GSL badges. was about to say that NSH has a gsl trophy and ST didn't, like pre-Life era.
BTW: Polt won one as polt prime, it counts.
Prime doesn't have it anymore though ^_^ Polt took it with him when he left forever ago. I was saying NSH currently has a GSL trophy sitting in their practice house.
On June 28 2013 21:22 Dodgin wrote: Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime.
Haha, I just remembered that ST now has 2 GSL badges. was about to say that NSH has a gsl trophy and ST didn't, like pre-Life era.
BTW: Polt won one as polt prime, it counts.
Prime doesn't have it anymore though ^_^ Polt took it with him when he left forever ago. I was saying NSH currently has a GSL trophy sitting in their practice house.
On June 28 2013 21:22 Dodgin wrote: Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime.
Haha, I just remembered that ST now has 2 GSL badges. was about to say that NSH has a gsl trophy and ST didn't, like pre-Life era.
BTW: Polt won one as polt prime, it counts.
Prime doesn't have it anymore though ^_^ Polt took it with him when he left forever ago. I was saying NSH currently has a GSL trophy sitting in their practice house.
On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote: [quote] Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
And MVP?
In August Mvp 2-0'd the group of death (beating Polt and MC), then beat NesTea, HuK, July and TOP. Aside from HuK I don't see a player who was particularly weak at that point in time.
On June 28 2013 21:19 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
That's still a bunch of players who would have done it.
And maybe others that don't come to mind immediately, maybe others who never got a chance to get to Code S because of the absurdly bad system involved in transferring players between A and S... the same system that allowed terrible players to remain in if they won a single set.
Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
On June 28 2013 21:22 Dodgin wrote: Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime.
Haha, I just remembered that ST now has 2 GSL badges. was about to say that NSH has a gsl trophy and ST didn't, like pre-Life era.
BTW: Polt won one as polt prime, it counts.
Prime doesn't have it anymore though ^_^ Polt took it with him when he left forever ago. I was saying NSH currently has a GSL trophy sitting in their practice house.
i thought it was melted down ages ago
I remember hearing that but I'm pretty sure it was one of those snarky Fionn jokes and not actually the case.
On June 28 2013 21:22 Dodgin wrote: Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime.
Haha, I just remembered that ST now has 2 GSL badges. was about to say that NSH has a gsl trophy and ST didn't, like pre-Life era.
BTW: Polt won one as polt prime, it counts.
Prime doesn't have it anymore though ^_^ Polt took it with him when he left forever ago. I was saying NSH currently has a GSL trophy sitting in their practice house.
So does FXO but I still don't think FXO has won a GSL yet.
On June 28 2013 21:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
And MVP?
In August Mvp 2-0'd the group of death (beating Polt and MC), then beat NesTea, HuK, July and TOP. Aside from HuK I don't see a player who was particularly weak at that point in time.
July and TOP
Did you watch them play? That season was probably the best they'd played (and have played, to this date) in their entire SC2 career.
On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote: [quote] Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Basically, you're saying he has to beat every good player in the tournament without playing a worse player to be the best?
On June 28 2013 21:22 Dodgin wrote: Back to the topic of this thread(kind of)
NSH is not only ahead of Prime in the GSTL standings, but they also have a GSL trophy.
Take that, Prime.
Haha, I just remembered that ST now has 2 GSL badges. was about to say that NSH has a gsl trophy and ST didn't, like pre-Life era.
BTW: Polt won one as polt prime, it counts.
Prime doesn't have it anymore though ^_^ Polt took it with him when he left forever ago. I was saying NSH currently has a GSL trophy sitting in their practice house.
So does FXO but I still don't think FXO has won a GSL yet.
On June 28 2013 21:22 YoungTyTy wrote: [quote] Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
And MVP?
In August Mvp 2-0'd the group of death (beating Polt and MC), then beat NesTea, HuK, July and TOP. Aside from HuK I don't see a player who was particularly weak at that point in time.
July and TOP
Did you watch them play? That season was probably the best they'd played (and have played, to this date) in their entire SC2 career.
Dont agree, July was so-so and TOP in the finals was like Inca vs NesTea
On June 28 2013 21:20 YoungTyTy wrote: [quote] Would have but didn't. You can't just make up scenarios where people hypothetically do better than someone to say that he's not the best.
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
On June 28 2013 21:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Basically, you're saying he has to beat every good player in the tournament without playing a worse player to be the best?
No, but he has to play actual top players to be the best.
And I was only refuting your previous point that "he beat everyone, including the other best players, therefore he's the best" which was very obviously inaccurate.
It's a very, very naive thing to believe that the champion of a tournament is always the best player in that tournament, even for that little period of time.
On June 28 2013 21:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
You don't seem to understand the concept that brackets can get lucky sometimes. Just look at who beat who...
Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
On June 28 2013 21:22 YoungTyTy wrote: [quote] Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Basically, you're saying he has to beat every good player in the tournament without playing a worse player to be the best?
No, but he has to play actual top players to be the best.
And I was only refuting your previous point that "he beat everyone, including the other best players, therefore he's the best" which was very obviously inaccurate.
It's a very, very naive thing to believe that the champion of a tournament is always the best player in that tournament, even for that little period of time.
You're assuming insane amounts of luck for him to win three different GSL tournaments and never once be the best player. And your original point was that you wouldn't argue with someone who thought Nestea was good, which is ludicrous.
On June 28 2013 21:22 YoungTyTy wrote: [quote] Hmm, looking at the brackets, it seems like Nestea beat all his opponents and won the tournament, three times. Pretty lucky.
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
On June 28 2013 21:37 lichter wrote: A thread devolving into a Nestea thread is pretty rare, usually we just talk about Mvp
That's because he is a cute King who loves his people.
On June 28 2013 21:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Basically, you're saying he has to beat every good player in the tournament without playing a worse player to be the best?
No, but he has to play actual top players to be the best.
And I was only refuting your previous point that "he beat everyone, including the other best players, therefore he's the best" which was very obviously inaccurate.
It's a very, very naive thing to believe that the champion of a tournament is always the best player in that tournament, even for that little period of time.
You're assuming insane amounts of luck for him to win three different GSL tournaments and never once be the best player. And your original point was that you wouldn't argue with someone who thought Nestea was good, which is ludicrous.
Oh. He was the best player, at least in the 2nd Open Season, probably in May as well. In fact, like I said, I was only arguing that he stopped being the best player, and even best Zerg player, come mid-2011, and yes I include the July season into that which was extremely lucky for him in terms of opponents faced.
And yea that was poorly worded, but at the same time you should understand that NesTea is by far the single most overhyped player in SC2, even moreso than Liquid'HerO and that's saying a lot.
On June 28 2013 21:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
Ok I'm done here.
I was hoping for at least an intelligent discussion but it looks like it's not meant to be.
Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
On June 28 2013 21:24 YoungTyTy wrote: [quote] Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Basically, you're saying he has to beat every good player in the tournament without playing a worse player to be the best?
No, but he has to play actual top players to be the best.
And I was only refuting your previous point that "he beat everyone, including the other best players, therefore he's the best" which was very obviously inaccurate.
It's a very, very naive thing to believe that the champion of a tournament is always the best player in that tournament, even for that little period of time.
You're assuming insane amounts of luck for him to win three different GSL tournaments and never once be the best player. And your original point was that you wouldn't argue with someone who thought Nestea was good, which is ludicrous.
Oh. He was the best player, at least in the 2nd Open Season, probably in May as well. In fact, like I said, I was only arguing that he stopped being the best player, and even best Zerg player, come mid-2011, and yes I include the July season into that which was extremely lucky for him in terms of opponents faced.
And yea that was poorly worded, but at the same time you should understand that NesTea is by far the single most overhyped player in SC2, even moreso than Liquid'HerO and that's saying a lot.
Well, maybe next time you shouldn't get halfway into a debate before stating what your argument is. And I don't think he's all that hyped. If so, people are probably just listening to Tastosis too much. All I was arguing is that he was the best at one point.
On June 28 2013 21:24 YoungTyTy wrote: [quote] Not with your points its not
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
On June 28 2013 21:37 lichter wrote: A thread devolving into a Nestea thread is pretty rare, usually we just talk about Mvp
Watch as he says that Mvp wasn't very good LOL.
Probably the only way of validating his claims on Nestea, as he was knocked out in July, August and October GSLs all by MVP and none other.
When NesTea faced Mvp, he got crushed. When he faced MMA or DongRaeGu in group stages, he lost again. He only beat the rest of the players, which is good, but he never beat the top players. Which is why he wasn't the best.
On June 28 2013 21:24 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
On June 28 2013 21:25 Wintex wrote: [quote] Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
On June 28 2013 21:24 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today.
On June 28 2013 21:37 lichter wrote: A thread devolving into a Nestea thread is pretty rare, usually we just talk about Mvp
Watch as he says that Mvp wasn't very good LOL.
Probably the only way of validating his claims on Nestea, as he was knocked out in July, August and October GSLs all by MVP and none other.
When NesTea faced Mvp, he got crushed. When he faced MMA or DongRaeGu in group stages, he lost again. He only beat the rest of the players, which is good, but he never beat the top players. Which is why he wasn't the best.
Where and when? He lost to MMA in August, but still managed to advance. He then won against MMA in October. Well, I don't know how you want to interpret that, maybe that you'd think MMA is the better player, but I don't think everybody will agree. He lost to DongRaeGu in 2012, which tells me nothing much about what you want to say from mid-2011-early 2012.
On June 28 2013 21:25 Wintex wrote: [quote] Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today.
A foreigner tournament where he absolutely demolished DRG and CoCa etc. MAULED. DRG got swept. I deny DRG's superior skill due to that tbh.. he achieved his peak and greatness later.
On June 28 2013 21:24 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
Beating terrible players does not make you the best player in the world.
Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Basically, you're saying he has to beat every good player in the tournament without playing a worse player to be the best?
No, but he has to play actual top players to be the best.
And I was only refuting your previous point that "he beat everyone, including the other best players, therefore he's the best" which was very obviously inaccurate.
It's a very, very naive thing to believe that the champion of a tournament is always the best player in that tournament, even for that little period of time.
You're assuming insane amounts of luck for him to win three different GSL tournaments and never once be the best player. And your original point was that you wouldn't argue with someone who thought Nestea was good, which is ludicrous.
Oh. He was the best player, at least in the 2nd Open Season, probably in May as well. In fact, like I said, I was only arguing that he stopped being the best player, and even best Zerg player, come mid-2011, and yes I include the July season into that which was extremely lucky for him in terms of opponents faced.
And yea that was poorly worded, but at the same time you should understand that NesTea is by far the single most overhyped player in SC2, even moreso than Liquid'HerO and that's saying a lot.
Well, maybe next time you shouldn't get halfway into a debate before stating what your argument is. And I don't think he's all that hyped. If so, people are probably just listening to Tastosis too much. All I was arguing is that he was the best at one point.
The thing is, he's still probably the most accomplish Zerg, (maybe DRG though)...but Nestea is not lower than 3.
On June 28 2013 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today.
A foreigner tournament where he absolutely demolished DRG and CoCa etc. MAULED. DRG got swept. I deny DRG's superior skill due to that tbh.. he achieved his peak and greatness later.
See I would have put Bomber up there as well as contender for best, but the quarters against ByuN was one of the worst series I have watched in SC2 ...
On June 28 2013 21:25 Wintex wrote: [quote] Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Basically, you're saying he has to beat every good player in the tournament without playing a worse player to be the best?
No, but he has to play actual top players to be the best.
And I was only refuting your previous point that "he beat everyone, including the other best players, therefore he's the best" which was very obviously inaccurate.
It's a very, very naive thing to believe that the champion of a tournament is always the best player in that tournament, even for that little period of time.
You're assuming insane amounts of luck for him to win three different GSL tournaments and never once be the best player. And your original point was that you wouldn't argue with someone who thought Nestea was good, which is ludicrous.
Oh. He was the best player, at least in the 2nd Open Season, probably in May as well. In fact, like I said, I was only arguing that he stopped being the best player, and even best Zerg player, come mid-2011, and yes I include the July season into that which was extremely lucky for him in terms of opponents faced.
And yea that was poorly worded, but at the same time you should understand that NesTea is by far the single most overhyped player in SC2, even moreso than Liquid'HerO and that's saying a lot.
Well, maybe next time you shouldn't get halfway into a debate before stating what your argument is. And I don't think he's all that hyped. If so, people are probably just listening to Tastosis too much. All I was arguing is that he was the best at one point.
The thing is, he's still probably the most accomplish Zerg, (maybe DRG though)...but Nestea is not lower than 3.
We weren't discussing accomplishments, but skill level in a certain period of time. And not that NesTea was bad, but that he was not the best. Read more carefully so I don't have to state the same thing 50 times... zzz
On June 28 2013 21:29 Wintex wrote: [quote] GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today.
A foreigner tournament where he absolutely demolished DRG and CoCa etc. MAULED. DRG got swept. I deny DRG's superior skill due to that tbh.. he achieved his peak and greatness later.
See I would have put Bomber up there as well as contender for best, but the quarters against ByuN was one of the worst series I have watched in SC2 ...
On June 28 2013 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Basically, you're saying he has to beat every good player in the tournament without playing a worse player to be the best?
No, but he has to play actual top players to be the best.
And I was only refuting your previous point that "he beat everyone, including the other best players, therefore he's the best" which was very obviously inaccurate.
It's a very, very naive thing to believe that the champion of a tournament is always the best player in that tournament, even for that little period of time.
You're assuming insane amounts of luck for him to win three different GSL tournaments and never once be the best player. And your original point was that you wouldn't argue with someone who thought Nestea was good, which is ludicrous.
Oh. He was the best player, at least in the 2nd Open Season, probably in May as well. In fact, like I said, I was only arguing that he stopped being the best player, and even best Zerg player, come mid-2011, and yes I include the July season into that which was extremely lucky for him in terms of opponents faced.
And yea that was poorly worded, but at the same time you should understand that NesTea is by far the single most overhyped player in SC2, even moreso than Liquid'HerO and that's saying a lot.
Well, maybe next time you shouldn't get halfway into a debate before stating what your argument is. And I don't think he's all that hyped. If so, people are probably just listening to Tastosis too much. All I was arguing is that he was the best at one point.
The thing is, he's still probably the most accomplish Zerg, (maybe DRG though)...but Nestea is not lower than 3.
We weren't discussing accomplishments, but skill level in a certain period of time. And not that NesTea was bad, but that he was not the best. Read more carefully so I don't have to state the same thing 50 times... zzz
Oh I read it, and it's not very believable so I choose to throw it out.
On June 28 2013 21:31 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today.
A foreigner tournament where he absolutely demolished DRG and CoCa etc. MAULED. DRG got swept. I deny DRG's superior skill due to that tbh.. he achieved his peak and greatness later.
See I would have put Bomber up there as well as contender for best, but the quarters against ByuN was one of the worst series I have watched in SC2 ...
On June 28 2013 21:49 Thrillz wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:42 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:36 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:32 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:31 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:29 Wintex wrote: [quote] GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Basically, you're saying he has to beat every good player in the tournament without playing a worse player to be the best?
No, but he has to play actual top players to be the best.
And I was only refuting your previous point that "he beat everyone, including the other best players, therefore he's the best" which was very obviously inaccurate.
It's a very, very naive thing to believe that the champion of a tournament is always the best player in that tournament, even for that little period of time.
You're assuming insane amounts of luck for him to win three different GSL tournaments and never once be the best player. And your original point was that you wouldn't argue with someone who thought Nestea was good, which is ludicrous.
Oh. He was the best player, at least in the 2nd Open Season, probably in May as well. In fact, like I said, I was only arguing that he stopped being the best player, and even best Zerg player, come mid-2011, and yes I include the July season into that which was extremely lucky for him in terms of opponents faced.
And yea that was poorly worded, but at the same time you should understand that NesTea is by far the single most overhyped player in SC2, even moreso than Liquid'HerO and that's saying a lot.
Well, maybe next time you shouldn't get halfway into a debate before stating what your argument is. And I don't think he's all that hyped. If so, people are probably just listening to Tastosis too much. All I was arguing is that he was the best at one point.
The thing is, he's still probably the most accomplish Zerg, (maybe DRG though)...but Nestea is not lower than 3.
We weren't discussing accomplishments, but skill level in a certain period of time. And not that NesTea was bad, but that he was not the best. Read more carefully so I don't have to state the same thing 50 times... zzz
Oh I read it, and it's not very believable so I choose to throw it out.
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Yeah I guess if you haven't seen the games themselves then that's understandable..
Plus buying into Tastosis hype is so easy for a new viewer... which is why it's annoying when they do that.
On June 28 2013 21:33 Wintex wrote: [quote] Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today.
A foreigner tournament where he absolutely demolished DRG and CoCa etc. MAULED. DRG got swept. I deny DRG's superior skill due to that tbh.. he achieved his peak and greatness later.
See I would have put Bomber up there as well as contender for best, but the quarters against ByuN was one of the worst series I have watched in SC2 ...
On June 28 2013 21:49 Thrillz wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:42 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:36 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:32 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:31 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Basically, you're saying he has to beat every good player in the tournament without playing a worse player to be the best?
No, but he has to play actual top players to be the best.
And I was only refuting your previous point that "he beat everyone, including the other best players, therefore he's the best" which was very obviously inaccurate.
It's a very, very naive thing to believe that the champion of a tournament is always the best player in that tournament, even for that little period of time.
You're assuming insane amounts of luck for him to win three different GSL tournaments and never once be the best player. And your original point was that you wouldn't argue with someone who thought Nestea was good, which is ludicrous.
Oh. He was the best player, at least in the 2nd Open Season, probably in May as well. In fact, like I said, I was only arguing that he stopped being the best player, and even best Zerg player, come mid-2011, and yes I include the July season into that which was extremely lucky for him in terms of opponents faced.
And yea that was poorly worded, but at the same time you should understand that NesTea is by far the single most overhyped player in SC2, even moreso than Liquid'HerO and that's saying a lot.
Well, maybe next time you shouldn't get halfway into a debate before stating what your argument is. And I don't think he's all that hyped. If so, people are probably just listening to Tastosis too much. All I was arguing is that he was the best at one point.
The thing is, he's still probably the most accomplish Zerg, (maybe DRG though)...but Nestea is not lower than 3.
We weren't discussing accomplishments, but skill level in a certain period of time. And not that NesTea was bad, but that he was not the best. Read more carefully so I don't have to state the same thing 50 times... zzz
Oh I read it, and it's not very believable so I choose to throw it out.
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Yeah I guess if you haven't seen the games themselves then that's understandable..
Plus buying into Tastosis hype is so easy for a new viewer... which is why it's annoying when they do that.
join date is no indication of when people started watching, i was into sc2 well before signing up (and i didn't post much in the first few months either), so don't be facetious please
On June 28 2013 21:33 Wintex wrote: [quote] Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today.
A foreigner tournament where he absolutely demolished DRG and CoCa etc. MAULED. DRG got swept. I deny DRG's superior skill due to that tbh.. he achieved his peak and greatness later.
See I would have put Bomber up there as well as contender for best, but the quarters against ByuN was one of the worst series I have watched in SC2 ...
On June 28 2013 21:49 Thrillz wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:42 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:36 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:32 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:31 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Basically, you're saying he has to beat every good player in the tournament without playing a worse player to be the best?
No, but he has to play actual top players to be the best.
And I was only refuting your previous point that "he beat everyone, including the other best players, therefore he's the best" which was very obviously inaccurate.
It's a very, very naive thing to believe that the champion of a tournament is always the best player in that tournament, even for that little period of time.
You're assuming insane amounts of luck for him to win three different GSL tournaments and never once be the best player. And your original point was that you wouldn't argue with someone who thought Nestea was good, which is ludicrous.
Oh. He was the best player, at least in the 2nd Open Season, probably in May as well. In fact, like I said, I was only arguing that he stopped being the best player, and even best Zerg player, come mid-2011, and yes I include the July season into that which was extremely lucky for him in terms of opponents faced.
And yea that was poorly worded, but at the same time you should understand that NesTea is by far the single most overhyped player in SC2, even moreso than Liquid'HerO and that's saying a lot.
Well, maybe next time you shouldn't get halfway into a debate before stating what your argument is. And I don't think he's all that hyped. If so, people are probably just listening to Tastosis too much. All I was arguing is that he was the best at one point.
The thing is, he's still probably the most accomplish Zerg, (maybe DRG though)...but Nestea is not lower than 3.
We weren't discussing accomplishments, but skill level in a certain period of time. And not that NesTea was bad, but that he was not the best. Read more carefully so I don't have to state the same thing 50 times... zzz
Oh I read it, and it's not very believable so I choose to throw it out.
Joined TL.net Wednesday, 23rd of May 2012
Yeah I guess if you haven't seen the games themselves then that's understandable..
Plus buying into Tastosis hype is so easy for a new viewer... which is why it's annoying when they do that.
On June 28 2013 21:36 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today.
A foreigner tournament where he absolutely demolished DRG and CoCa etc. MAULED. DRG got swept. I deny DRG's superior skill due to that tbh.. he achieved his peak and greatness later.
See I would have put Bomber up there as well as contender for best, but the quarters against ByuN was one of the worst series I have watched in SC2 ...
On June 28 2013 21:49 Thrillz wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:42 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:36 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:32 YoungTyTy wrote: [quote] Basically, you're saying he has to beat every good player in the tournament without playing a worse player to be the best?
No, but he has to play actual top players to be the best.
And I was only refuting your previous point that "he beat everyone, including the other best players, therefore he's the best" which was very obviously inaccurate.
It's a very, very naive thing to believe that the champion of a tournament is always the best player in that tournament, even for that little period of time.
You're assuming insane amounts of luck for him to win three different GSL tournaments and never once be the best player. And your original point was that you wouldn't argue with someone who thought Nestea was good, which is ludicrous.
Oh. He was the best player, at least in the 2nd Open Season, probably in May as well. In fact, like I said, I was only arguing that he stopped being the best player, and even best Zerg player, come mid-2011, and yes I include the July season into that which was extremely lucky for him in terms of opponents faced.
And yea that was poorly worded, but at the same time you should understand that NesTea is by far the single most overhyped player in SC2, even moreso than Liquid'HerO and that's saying a lot.
Well, maybe next time you shouldn't get halfway into a debate before stating what your argument is. And I don't think he's all that hyped. If so, people are probably just listening to Tastosis too much. All I was arguing is that he was the best at one point.
The thing is, he's still probably the most accomplish Zerg, (maybe DRG though)...but Nestea is not lower than 3.
We weren't discussing accomplishments, but skill level in a certain period of time. And not that NesTea was bad, but that he was not the best. Read more carefully so I don't have to state the same thing 50 times... zzz
Oh I read it, and it's not very believable so I choose to throw it out.
Joined TL.net Wednesday, 23rd of May 2012
Yeah I guess if you haven't seen the games themselves then that's understandable..
Plus buying into Tastosis hype is so easy for a new viewer... which is why it's annoying when they do that.
join date is no indication of when people started watching, i was into sc2 well before signing up (and i didn't post much in the first few months either), so don't be facetious please
I've been watching since BW but never bothered to make an account
On June 28 2013 21:25 Wintex wrote: [quote] Beating the best players of your time makes you the best player in the world at that time.
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today.
On June 28 2013 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
Agreed.
But he didn't beat the best players of his time. He beat fucking Ensnare and InCa.
GSL July - he beat losira, hongun, ensnare and coca without dropping a map. that counts for something.
He definitely deserves credit for beating CoCa and LosirA, but you conveniently skipped over the fact that he got a def-win in what was otherwise the weakest Code S group anyway..
Still... Give the guy some credit. 250k winnings, the most impressive zerg the first year (AT THE LEAST) of SC2 and relevancy for over 3 years in a game when he is around 30 IS INSANE. His prowess has been proven too many times. I have a comparison but i don't really want to get warned.
I am.
The only thing I was arguing to begin with, is that past the halfway point of 2011, he was no longer the best Zerg, or best player for that matter. I'd say he was easily 2nd, and top 5 respectively though.
I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today.
On June 28 2013 21:38 Wintex wrote: [quote] I think he was. I didn't think INnoVation was the best player before he won the season finals. It's a matter of how you think about those plateaus and who belongs at them..
Bogus beat the cream of the crop though, both in WCS KR and the Finals...
SoulKey could easily take that position too. besides, who cares about who you beat if you don't win shit. You end up like Gumiho or Bomber...
Bomber did win something, a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, before he turned into the enigma that he is today.
A foreigner tournament where he absolutely demolished DRG and CoCa etc. MAULED. DRG got swept. I deny DRG's superior skill due to that tbh.. he achieved his peak and greatness later.
See I would have put Bomber up there as well as contender for best, but the quarters against ByuN was one of the worst series I have watched in SC2 ...
On June 28 2013 21:49 Thrillz wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:42 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:36 YoungTyTy wrote:
On June 28 2013 21:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote: [quote]
No, but he has to play actual top players to be the best.
And I was only refuting your previous point that "he beat everyone, including the other best players, therefore he's the best" which was very obviously inaccurate.
It's a very, very naive thing to believe that the champion of a tournament is always the best player in that tournament, even for that little period of time.
You're assuming insane amounts of luck for him to win three different GSL tournaments and never once be the best player. And your original point was that you wouldn't argue with someone who thought Nestea was good, which is ludicrous.
Oh. He was the best player, at least in the 2nd Open Season, probably in May as well. In fact, like I said, I was only arguing that he stopped being the best player, and even best Zerg player, come mid-2011, and yes I include the July season into that which was extremely lucky for him in terms of opponents faced.
And yea that was poorly worded, but at the same time you should understand that NesTea is by far the single most overhyped player in SC2, even moreso than Liquid'HerO and that's saying a lot.
Well, maybe next time you shouldn't get halfway into a debate before stating what your argument is. And I don't think he's all that hyped. If so, people are probably just listening to Tastosis too much. All I was arguing is that he was the best at one point.
The thing is, he's still probably the most accomplish Zerg, (maybe DRG though)...but Nestea is not lower than 3.
We weren't discussing accomplishments, but skill level in a certain period of time. And not that NesTea was bad, but that he was not the best. Read more carefully so I don't have to state the same thing 50 times... zzz
Oh I read it, and it's not very believable so I choose to throw it out.
Joined TL.net Wednesday, 23rd of May 2012
Yeah I guess if you haven't seen the games themselves then that's understandable..
Plus buying into Tastosis hype is so easy for a new viewer... which is why it's annoying when they do that.
join date is no indication of when people started watching, i was into sc2 well before signing up (and i didn't post much in the first few months either), so don't be facetious please
I've been watching since BW but never bothered to make an account
So unless IM beats ST by a good amount and MVP loses to Azubu by a good amount, MVP is in the finals.
Ax-Acer is so confusing To me. At the start of the season I though them, Prime and NSH would be the teams not to make the playoffs. Then they go beat everyone until they play NSH...wtf
On June 29 2013 00:27 TommyP wrote: So unless IM beats ST by a good amount and MVP loses to Azubu by a good amount, MVP is in the finals.
Ax-Acer is so confusing To me. At the start of the season I though them, Prime and NSH would be the teams not to make the playoffs. Then they go beat everyone until they play NSH...wtf
Yeah looks like Azubu would have to 4-0
and IM would have to win by at least a 4-1 for MVP to be knocked out of 1st place.
BOOM. Boom Boom Boom. Told the haters on page one, told the haters on page twenty. Reading through this thread angered me, I wanted to slap the guy who preemptively said Ryung>MadBull Ryung>jjakji. Y'all should just be thankful that SSanaEE, Tassadar, and MadBull so graciously allowed their opponents a win so that AxAcer fans would be afforded a sliver of hope. Learn your lesson today, friends, so you don't have to feel sorry tomorrow.
On June 29 2013 01:15 slowbacontron wrote: BOOM. Boom Boom Boom. Told the haters on page one, told the haters on page twenty. Reading through this thread angered me, I wanted to slap the guy who preemptively said Ryung>MadBull Ryung>jjakji. Y'all should just be thankful that SSanaEE, Tassadar, and MadBull so graciously allowed their opponents a win so that AxAcer fans would be afforded a sliver of hope. Learn your lesson today, friends, so you don't have to feel sorry tomorrow.
Disclaimer: This post was made mostly in jest.
Man your post would be believable if you didn't insist Tassadar can actually win games
On June 29 2013 01:15 slowbacontron wrote: BOOM. Boom Boom Boom. Told the haters on page one, told the haters on page twenty. Reading through this thread angered me, I wanted to slap the guy who preemptively said Ryung>MadBull Ryung>jjakji. Y'all should just be thankful that SSanaEE, Tassadar, and MadBull so graciously allowed their opponents a win so that AxAcer fans would be afforded a sliver of hope. Learn your lesson today, friends, so you don't have to feel sorry tomorrow.
Disclaimer: This post was made mostly in jest.
Man your post would be believable if you didn't insist Tassadar can actually win games
Just because we haven't seen it...maybe Tassadar has been intentionally losing all this time...though what a horrible teammate he would be if that were the case.
Totally didn't even see this entire Nestea argument stemming from my reply. How silly.
You can dissect players losing to certain players at all points in their career, yeah, MVP had Nestea's number a lot. But the fact is, 3 GSL titles, when Zerg was UP, and one of which undefeated? Revolutionizing the ZvP (3 hatch vs FFE, spine crawler rush) and ZvZ (NesteavZ) match up? He was the best Zerg in the world until DRG/Leenock came alive in mid-late 2011 and Nestea's age caught up to him... as well as everyone else.
Sorry, I hate to beat this dead horse, but Nestea is the reason I play Zerg... I'm passionate.
On June 29 2013 14:57 Flonomenalz wrote: Totally didn't even see this entire Nestea argument stemming from my reply. How silly.
You can dissect players losing to certain players at all points in their career, yeah, MVP had Nestea's number a lot. But the fact is, 3 GSL titles, when Zerg was UP, and one of which undefeated? Revolutionizing the ZvP (3 hatch vs FFE, spine crawler rush) and ZvZ (NesteavZ) match up? He was the best Zerg in the world until DRG/Leenock came alive in mid-late 2011 and Nestea's age caught up to him... as well as everyone else.
Sorry, I hate to beat this dead horse, but Nestea is the reason I play Zerg... I'm passionate.
The thing is, MoP's entire point was his claim that Nestea was not the best Zerg after mid-2011, which is generally agreeable. He just decided to use some rather...strange arguments when all people needed were some wording clarifications.
On June 29 2013 14:57 Flonomenalz wrote: Totally didn't even see this entire Nestea argument stemming from my reply. How silly.
You can dissect players losing to certain players at all points in their career, yeah, MVP had Nestea's number a lot. But the fact is, 3 GSL titles, when Zerg was UP, and one of which undefeated? Revolutionizing the ZvP (3 hatch vs FFE, spine crawler rush) and ZvZ (NesteavZ) match up? He was the best Zerg in the world until DRG/Leenock came alive in mid-late 2011 and Nestea's age caught up to him... as well as everyone else.
Sorry, I hate to beat this dead horse, but Nestea is the reason I play Zerg... I'm passionate.
The thing is, MoP's entire point was his claim that Nestea was not the best Zerg after mid-2011, which is generally agreeable. He just decided to use some rather...strange arguments when all people needed were some wording clarifications.
Not really generally agreeable. He started to play increasingly bad games around the November season while Leenock stormed MLG Providence/GSL and DRG owned in Blizzard Cup.
On June 29 2013 14:57 Flonomenalz wrote: Totally didn't even see this entire Nestea argument stemming from my reply. How silly.
You can dissect players losing to certain players at all points in their career, yeah, MVP had Nestea's number a lot. But the fact is, 3 GSL titles, when Zerg was UP, and one of which undefeated? Revolutionizing the ZvP (3 hatch vs FFE, spine crawler rush) and ZvZ (NesteavZ) match up? He was the best Zerg in the world until DRG/Leenock came alive in mid-late 2011 and Nestea's age caught up to him... as well as everyone else.
Sorry, I hate to beat this dead horse, but Nestea is the reason I play Zerg... I'm passionate.
The thing is, MoP's entire point was his claim that Nestea was not the best Zerg after mid-2011, which is generally agreeable. He just decided to use some rather...strange arguments when all people needed were some wording clarifications.
Not really generally agreeable. He started to play increasingly bad games around the November season while Leenock stormed MLG Providence/GSL and DRG owned in Blizzard Cup.
Mid-2011 Nestea was still the best zerg.
I agree, in fact my instinct was to say that Nestea was the best Zerg until 2012 started but then I remembered DRG and Leenock's November-December performances. My post did say "after" mid-2011 and "generally" agreeable though to soften the concerns.
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