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CR1PPLeR
Profile Joined May 2013
Greece14 Posts
June 08 2013 20:36 GMT
#241
On June 09 2013 05:32 operwolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 05:30 CR1PPLeR wrote:
Dont forget that it is a best of 7 which really favours MVP. Innovation has godlike mechanics but lacks decision making, build orders and experience. I don't think that just hellbat abusing as against alive (who played poorly today) will win him the semi finals. MVP is unpredictable and precise in his strategies but lacking mechanics compared to innovation so it is a close call in my opinion. I'm hoping that the king of liberty will return back to his throne.


Semi's are Bo5.

Hoping for some good games!


Oh sorry. I assumed that it was best of 7 like gsl but it seems that you are correct. So even more difficult for MVP. But i think Jurgen will make it to the finals!
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 08 2013 20:42 GMT
#242
On June 09 2013 05:26 MonkSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 05:21 snakeeyez wrote:
immvp can easily beat innovation in a tvt. I might slightly favor innovation but either one has a good chance. mvp has a whole lot of experience in tvt.


Easily?

Innovation is without a doubt the best TvT player currently, sporting 75%+ winrate in TvT against some of the best Terran players while MVP doesn't break 70% against foreign players.

yeah, but this is the semis of a major tournament in a bo5 with some preparation time, which means Jürgen is ready to go full Mvp mode!

it's probably not gonna be "easy" though, i agree.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Rokevo
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1033 Posts
June 08 2013 20:44 GMT
#243
I will be fine with any one of the 4 winning.

MVP is such a fucking legend at this point, Innovation really deserves a tittle imo, Soulkey would give us the IdrA good manner stream and sOs is a protoss.
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
June 08 2013 20:46 GMT
#244
On June 09 2013 05:42 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 05:26 MonkSEA wrote:
On June 09 2013 05:21 snakeeyez wrote:
immvp can easily beat innovation in a tvt. I might slightly favor innovation but either one has a good chance. mvp has a whole lot of experience in tvt.


Easily?

Innovation is without a doubt the best TvT player currently, sporting 75%+ winrate in TvT against some of the best Terran players while MVP doesn't break 70% against foreign players.

yeah, but this is the semis of a major tournament in a bo5 with some preparation time, which means Jürgen is ready to go full Mvp mode!

it's probably not gonna be "easy" though, i agree.

I'm just fueling Jürgen's power, but I doubt that MVP can beat innovation. Innovation is hungry now and wants it more.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
June 08 2013 20:47 GMT
#245
On June 09 2013 05:42 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 05:26 MonkSEA wrote:
On June 09 2013 05:21 snakeeyez wrote:
immvp can easily beat innovation in a tvt. I might slightly favor innovation but either one has a good chance. mvp has a whole lot of experience in tvt.


Easily?

Innovation is without a doubt the best TvT player currently, sporting 75%+ winrate in TvT against some of the best Terran players while MVP doesn't break 70% against foreign players.

yeah, but this is the semis of a major tournament in a bo5 with some preparation time, which means Jürgen is ready to go full Mvp mode!

it's probably not gonna be "easy" though, i agree.

I agree that mvp can take it.

I think the original poster was just saying Innovation is not a 100% lock
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 08 2013 20:55 GMT
#246
On June 09 2013 05:42 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 05:26 MonkSEA wrote:
On June 09 2013 05:21 snakeeyez wrote:
immvp can easily beat innovation in a tvt. I might slightly favor innovation but either one has a good chance. mvp has a whole lot of experience in tvt.


Easily?

Innovation is without a doubt the best TvT player currently, sporting 75%+ winrate in TvT against some of the best Terran players while MVP doesn't break 70% against foreign players.

yeah, but this is the semis of a major tournament in a bo5 with some preparation time, which means Jürgen is ready to go full Mvp mode!

it's probably not gonna be "easy" though, i agree.


One day is not that much preparation time though. This is basically just like a weekend tournament. Granted, Mvp has probably prepared a lot for TvT due to having Ryung as his first opponent, as well as having ForGG yesterday.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 08 2013 20:56 GMT
#247
I wrote a preview.

I got dat hype.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
June 08 2013 20:57 GMT
#248
On June 09 2013 05:55 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 05:42 Schelim wrote:
On June 09 2013 05:26 MonkSEA wrote:
On June 09 2013 05:21 snakeeyez wrote:
immvp can easily beat innovation in a tvt. I might slightly favor innovation but either one has a good chance. mvp has a whole lot of experience in tvt.


Easily?

Innovation is without a doubt the best TvT player currently, sporting 75%+ winrate in TvT against some of the best Terran players while MVP doesn't break 70% against foreign players.

yeah, but this is the semis of a major tournament in a bo5 with some preparation time, which means Jürgen is ready to go full Mvp mode!

it's probably not gonna be "easy" though, i agree.


One day is not that much preparation time though. This is basically just like a weekend tournament. Granted, Mvp has probably prepared a lot for TvT due to having Ryung as his first opponent, as well as having ForGG yesterday.

In basically of the ro4 interviews, they all said they didn't/don't/won't have time to prepare.
Refer to my post.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-08 20:58:10
June 08 2013 20:57 GMT
#249
On June 09 2013 05:26 MonkSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 05:21 snakeeyez wrote:
immvp can easily beat innovation in a tvt. I might slightly favor innovation but either one has a good chance. mvp has a whole lot of experience in tvt.


Easily?

Innovation is without a doubt the best TvT player currently, sporting 75%+ winrate in TvT against some of the best Terran players while MVP doesn't break 70% against foreign players.

There's like no data at all on Mvp's TvT, he's played three series in the last three months leading up to the WCS Finals. 2-0 MKP, 0-2 LucifroN and 2-0 Bunny.

At least with Innovation we could see his game develop in Proleague and whatnot, even though it's only Bo1. I don't think you can say anything with certainty about Mvp's TvT. Only thing we know is that he was able to beat both ForGG and Ryung decisively (disclaimer: I didn't see his match against ForGG but against Ryung he looked very much in charge in all three games).

Sure, Innovation is great, and the "easily" part underestimates him by quite a bit but I don't see how Mvp's record against foreign players wherever you got that from is relevant here and I don't think an upset is completely improbable.

Also, I don't believe Innovation is "without a doubt the best TvT player currently". He's 5-3 in Proleague in HotS with two losses in the last month, that's not even close to as dominant as he would need to be in order to give him that title without second thought.

Anyway, I don't see how we can agree about anyone being the best XvY player when he's played like 10 maps in that matchup since everyone started practicing HotS. In fact, if we're going by stats, Flash has a much better TvT record and he's won 5 maps and lost none during the last month.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
June 08 2013 21:06 GMT
#250
All I ask is a Woongjin Stars winner. The other two can go to hell, the triple crown is Woongjin's !
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
June 08 2013 21:07 GMT
#251
Did Artosis made his prediction? That would be a big help in deciding who will win this WCS S1.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
June 08 2013 21:08 GMT
#252
The question in everybody's mind is.... Will Jurgen show the world that EU is the dominant region from now on?!?!?
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
June 08 2013 21:10 GMT
#253
On June 09 2013 05:56 Fionn wrote:
I wrote a preview.

I got dat hype.


I want dat hype ^^
" Perhaps it's impossible to wear an identity without becoming what you pretend to be. "
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
June 08 2013 21:14 GMT
#254
Poll: Hyped?

Time of death: 10:30 KST (7)
 
50%

Yes (5)
 
36%

No (2)
 
14%

14 total votes

Your vote: Hyped?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Time of death: 10:30 KST


I Protoss winner, could it be?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 08 2013 21:18 GMT
#255
On June 09 2013 05:56 Fionn wrote:
I wrote a preview.

I got dat hype.


where's that 50000 word article fionn
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
June 08 2013 21:20 GMT
#256
On June 09 2013 05:56 Fionn wrote:
I wrote a preview.

I got dat hype.


Dont curse anyone plz.. Evidence says that zealously has good predictions time and time again.. he/she is the oracle of TL!

All bow for zealously
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
June 08 2013 21:21 GMT
#257
On the subway to the finals now, so tired
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
June 08 2013 21:23 GMT
#258
I'm personally rooting for MVP!

sOs has long been one of my favorite Protosses to watch, but MVP's EU love fest yesterday was quite compelling <3. Plus, I've suffered from RSI for a very long time so I'm doubly impressed that he can play as well as he does under those conditions
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
June 08 2013 21:26 GMT
#259
Well MVP looks boned so he'll probably end up winning the whole thing
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
June 08 2013 21:27 GMT
#260
On June 09 2013 06:23 Day[9] wrote:
I'm personally rooting for MVP!

sOs has long been one of my favorite Protosses to watch, but MVP's EU love fest yesterday was quite compelling <3. Plus, I've suffered from RSI for a very long time so I'm doubly impressed that he can play as well as he does under those conditions

the man himself has spoken!

BTW: do you know who is casting what today?
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