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schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
June 08 2013 10:36 GMT
#3141
Hm. I'm so disappointed by this event just because it is impossible to catch the games as European
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 08 2013 10:36 GMT
#3142
On June 08 2013 19:36 schaf wrote:
Hm. I'm so disappointed by this event just because it is impossible to catch the games as European

you have free VODs!
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
June 08 2013 10:37 GMT
#3143
On June 08 2013 19:13 Evangelist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 19:06 ZenithM wrote:
On June 08 2013 17:20 Evangelist wrote:
Mvp will beat Innovation and put an end to the ridiculous Kespa hype train that surrounds him.

There will be a lot of red faces when the so called best terran in the world is beaten by a guy with sore wrists but you know what? He's the best. He's going to prove it.

You see "a hype train", I only see a guy dominantly winning games left and right against the best players in the world. You're lucky he choked in the GSL Finals, but aside from that Innovation is the real deal.
That being said, I would be really happy if Mvp could beat him and win one more title...oh how sweet that would be indeed.


I see a hype train because I see a guy with a 28% winrate against protoss who has played a grand total of 90 competitive games being lauded as the best player in the world. He's going up against a guy who doesn't have a single negative win ratio. What's more I've also seen plenty of other best players in the world elect suddenly drop off in performance
- Taeja
- Symbol
- Life

Come back to me in a year and tell me that he's the best player that's ever lived.


Oh, Life has dropped off. That's news to my ears.

Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10146 Posts
June 08 2013 10:40 GMT
#3144
On June 08 2013 19:24 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 19:13 Evangelist wrote:
On June 08 2013 19:06 ZenithM wrote:
On June 08 2013 17:20 Evangelist wrote:
Mvp will beat Innovation and put an end to the ridiculous Kespa hype train that surrounds him.

There will be a lot of red faces when the so called best terran in the world is beaten by a guy with sore wrists but you know what? He's the best. He's going to prove it.

You see "a hype train", I only see a guy dominantly winning games left and right against the best players in the world. You're lucky he choked in the GSL Finals, but aside from that Innovation is the real deal.
That being said, I would be really happy if Mvp could beat him and win one more title...oh how sweet that would be indeed.


I see a hype train because I see a guy with a 28% winrate against protoss who has played a grand total of 90 competitive games being lauded as the best player in the world. He's going up against a guy who doesn't have a single negative win ratio. What's more I've also seen plenty of other best players in the world elect suddenly drop off in performance
- Taeja
- Symbol
- Life

Come back to me in a year and tell me that he's the best player that's ever lived.

Try 80% vs Protoss : http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/players/663_INnoVation
Haha TL so silly to keep showing WoL TLPD stats by default :'(


http://aligulac.com/players/48-INnoVation/

Taeja even had better winrates, looked unstoppable until life hit him like a truck.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 08 2013 10:50 GMT
#3145
On June 08 2013 19:40 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 19:24 ZenithM wrote:
On June 08 2013 19:13 Evangelist wrote:
On June 08 2013 19:06 ZenithM wrote:
On June 08 2013 17:20 Evangelist wrote:
Mvp will beat Innovation and put an end to the ridiculous Kespa hype train that surrounds him.

There will be a lot of red faces when the so called best terran in the world is beaten by a guy with sore wrists but you know what? He's the best. He's going to prove it.

You see "a hype train", I only see a guy dominantly winning games left and right against the best players in the world. You're lucky he choked in the GSL Finals, but aside from that Innovation is the real deal.
That being said, I would be really happy if Mvp could beat him and win one more title...oh how sweet that would be indeed.


I see a hype train because I see a guy with a 28% winrate against protoss who has played a grand total of 90 competitive games being lauded as the best player in the world. He's going up against a guy who doesn't have a single negative win ratio. What's more I've also seen plenty of other best players in the world elect suddenly drop off in performance
- Taeja
- Symbol
- Life

Come back to me in a year and tell me that he's the best player that's ever lived.

Try 80% vs Protoss : http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/players/663_INnoVation
Haha TL so silly to keep showing WoL TLPD stats by default :'(


http://aligulac.com/players/48-INnoVation/

Taeja even had better winrates, looked unstoppable until life hit him like a truck.

Well shit happens, Taeja's bad wrists were not really expected. Like you're not going to say "Haha take that Taeja fanboys! He's not the best player in the world because his wrists hurt! I CALLED IT FROM THE START!"
If Innovation's health starts to fail him, well that'll be tough luck, if it doesn't and Innovation starts losing games, then Innovation won't be as good as everyone thought. But he has to start losing for that to be considered though. :D

And I think it's better to keep it "HotS-restricted" as far as stats are concerned. End of WoL wasn't exactly representative of who's at the top of SC2 :D
rename
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia329 Posts
June 08 2013 10:51 GMT
#3146
On June 08 2013 19:35 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
And on another subject, the korean translator is the most dynamic and accurate there has been from a long time ( i don't recall any ), usually you can see that translator don't exaclty translate the full questions resulting in blank responses that have made the poor reputation on korean progamers feelings. This guy though is th real deal and is way more friendly !


He comes of more as a professsional enterntainer and host.
Who also happens to know perfect english and korean.

AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
June 08 2013 11:12 GMT
#3147
On June 08 2013 19:36 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 19:36 schaf wrote:
Hm. I'm so disappointed by this event just because it is impossible to catch the games as European

you have free VODs!


Meh, vods are dead footage. A live broadcast and an LR on the other hand. Oh boy. That's the stuff. The rest are just results.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
June 08 2013 11:22 GMT
#3148
Wait a minute.

Watching the vods now I just realized that Innovation won game 3 against aLive without losing one single unit. LOL.
GamerLife
Profile Joined March 2013
Maldives54 Posts
June 08 2013 11:26 GMT
#3149
It will be good for Innovation to play against Mvp. Either he wins and proves himself worthy, or he falls and proves himself unworthy. Parting, Rain and Squirtle all failed the test. Only Life prevailed.
atasje
Profile Joined May 2013
Barbados13 Posts
June 08 2013 11:35 GMT
#3150
On June 08 2013 19:13 Evangelist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 19:06 ZenithM wrote:
On June 08 2013 17:20 Evangelist wrote:
Mvp will beat Innovation and put an end to the ridiculous Kespa hype train that surrounds him.

There will be a lot of red faces when the so called best terran in the world is beaten by a guy with sore wrists but you know what? He's the best. He's going to prove it.

You see "a hype train", I only see a guy dominantly winning games left and right against the best players in the world. You're lucky he choked in the GSL Finals, but aside from that Innovation is the real deal.
That being said, I would be really happy if Mvp could beat him and win one more title...oh how sweet that would be indeed.


I see a hype train because I see a guy with a 28% winrate against protoss who has played a grand total of 90 competitive games being lauded as the best player in the world. He's going up against a guy who doesn't have a single negative win ratio. What's more I've also seen plenty of other best players in the world elect suddenly drop off in performance
- Taeja
- Symbol
- Life

Come back to me in a year and tell me that he's the best player that's ever lived.

and I see Mvp dropping to code B which I also consider being the drop in performance, yet you call him the best, take your rose-tinted glasses off boy.
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vulture7
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand48 Posts
June 08 2013 11:39 GMT
#3151
Mvp vs Soulkey final would be really fun since they were formal teammates, I'd love to see their pre-final interview if that'd happen. I hope Mvp beats Innovation tomorrow.
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
June 08 2013 11:39 GMT
#3152
On June 08 2013 19:13 Evangelist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 19:06 ZenithM wrote:
On June 08 2013 17:20 Evangelist wrote:
Mvp will beat Innovation and put an end to the ridiculous Kespa hype train that surrounds him.

There will be a lot of red faces when the so called best terran in the world is beaten by a guy with sore wrists but you know what? He's the best. He's going to prove it.

You see "a hype train", I only see a guy dominantly winning games left and right against the best players in the world. You're lucky he choked in the GSL Finals, but aside from that Innovation is the real deal.
That being said, I would be really happy if Mvp could beat him and win one more title...oh how sweet that would be indeed.


I see a hype train because I see a guy with a 28% winrate against protoss who has played a grand total of 90 competitive games being lauded as the best player in the world. He's going up against a guy who doesn't have a single negative win ratio. What's more I've also seen plenty of other best players in the world elect suddenly drop off in performance
- Taeja
- Symbol
- Life

Come back to me in a year and tell me that he's the best player that's ever lived.

Wow, you just put the R in to Retarded.

User was warned for this post
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
Vault Boy
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany131 Posts
June 08 2013 11:44 GMT
#3153
Are there spoiler free vods anywhere?
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
June 08 2013 11:47 GMT
#3154
On June 08 2013 20:44 Vault Boy wrote:
Are there spoiler free vods anywhere?

look what's on the first page.
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
F u r u y a
Profile Joined August 2010
Brazil173 Posts
June 08 2013 12:22 GMT
#3155
Talking about sore wrists, I've made a transcription of Mvp talking about his injuries in the Talk Show with Day9 and Apollo:

Apollo: I have a serious question from twitter and chat: How are your wrists?

chobra: He says "my wrist has always been a little bit bad but right now, actually, I have more pain from my neck and so the nerve from my neck to my wrist is getting pressured, so it hurts a lot". So he can't put a lot of force on his wrists, and especially when you're playing against protoss he can't double-click that fast, and so he feels that there's a huge disadvantage during a battle.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1fx6nr/mvp_words_about_his_injuries_from_ogn_lounge_talk/


On June 08 2013 20:22 Tiaraju9 wrote:
Wait a minute.

Watching the vods now I just realized that Innovation won game 3 against aLive without losing one single unit. LOL.

Yeah, that was a perfect win. Or a flawless victory if you are a Mortal Kombat guy.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
June 08 2013 12:31 GMT
#3156
On June 08 2013 21:22 F u r u y a wrote:
Talking about sore wrists, I've made a transcription of Mvp talking about his injuries in the Talk Show with Day9 and Apollo:

Apollo: I have a serious question from twitter and chat: How are your wrists?

chobra: He says "my wrist has always been a little bit bad but right now, actually, I have more pain from my neck and so the nerve from my neck to my wrist is getting pressured, so it hurts a lot". So he can't put a lot of force on his wrists, and especially when you're playing against protoss he can't double-click that fast, and so he feels that there's a huge disadvantage during a battle.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1fx6nr/mvp_words_about_his_injuries_from_ogn_lounge_talk/


Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 20:22 Tiaraju9 wrote:
Wait a minute.

Watching the vods now I just realized that Innovation won game 3 against aLive without losing one single unit. LOL.

Yeah, that was a perfect win. Or a flawless victory if you are a Mortal Kombat guy.


Mvp also mentioned that he is used to playing without headphones, because he uses the clicking sound to tell if he has double clicked properly. Because of the soundproof headphones, Mvp sometimes isn't sure if he has double clicked or not. That sounds pretty bad.
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
June 08 2013 12:46 GMT
#3157
B-but...fOrGG has good TvT!?!
Go Mvp!
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 08 2013 12:58 GMT
#3158
MVP is a total boss. Europe is going to win these WCS finals.
I had a good night of sleep.
F u r u y a
Profile Joined August 2010
Brazil173 Posts
June 08 2013 13:05 GMT
#3159
On June 08 2013 21:31 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 21:22 F u r u y a wrote:
Talking about sore wrists, I've made a transcription of Mvp talking about his injuries in the Talk Show with Day9 and Apollo:

Apollo: I have a serious question from twitter and chat: How are your wrists?

chobra: He says "my wrist has always been a little bit bad but right now, actually, I have more pain from my neck and so the nerve from my neck to my wrist is getting pressured, so it hurts a lot". So he can't put a lot of force on his wrists, and especially when you're playing against protoss he can't double-click that fast, and so he feels that there's a huge disadvantage during a battle.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1fx6nr/mvp_words_about_his_injuries_from_ogn_lounge_talk/


On June 08 2013 20:22 Tiaraju9 wrote:
Wait a minute.

Watching the vods now I just realized that Innovation won game 3 against aLive without losing one single unit. LOL.

Yeah, that was a perfect win. Or a flawless victory if you are a Mortal Kombat guy.


Mvp also mentioned that he is used to playing without headphones, because he uses the clicking sound to tell if he has double clicked properly. Because of the soundproof headphones, Mvp sometimes isn't sure if he has double clicked or not. That sounds pretty bad.


Yeah, I transcribed that too, it's in the reddit link. By the way it was very funny in that part of the interview, because INnoVation was dropping hellbats like a mad men, aLive fighting with SCVs, and because of that chobra couldn't concentrate on the translation. And Day9 saying "it's a barracks" :D
yrt123
Profile Joined October 2012
Singapore1246 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-08 13:15:04
June 08 2013 13:11 GMT
#3160
On June 08 2013 19:13 Evangelist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 19:06 ZenithM wrote:
On June 08 2013 17:20 Evangelist wrote:
Mvp will beat Innovation and put an end to the ridiculous Kespa hype train that surrounds him.

There will be a lot of red faces when the so called best terran in the world is beaten by a guy with sore wrists but you know what? He's the best. He's going to prove it.

You see "a hype train", I only see a guy dominantly winning games left and right against the best players in the world. You're lucky he choked in the GSL Finals, but aside from that Innovation is the real deal.
That being said, I would be really happy if Mvp could beat him and win one more title...oh how sweet that would be indeed.


I see a hype train because I see a guy with a 28% winrate against protoss who has played a grand total of 90 competitive games being lauded as the best player in the world. He's going up against a guy who doesn't have a single negative win ratio. What's more I've also seen plenty of other best players in the world elect suddenly drop off in performance
- Taeja
- Symbol
- Life

Come back to me in a year and tell me that he's the best player that's ever lived.


U MAD. INNOVATION BEST RTS PLAYA OF ALL TIME. OF ALL TIME. Mvp doesn't stand a chance

Do you realise that TLPD has not been updated? Look at the date of his last match. FOURTH OF MARCH. HotS hasn't been released yet. Since HotS started Innovation has won more matches against Zerg than the number stated in TLPD(probably most of WoL)

Do your damned research before you start shitting on a player. I don't hate Mvp nor am I a Innovation fan but at this point, Innovation has been destroying top Korean players left and right whereas Mvp hasn't done so(he went to Europe so he can't be doing that sure but you are speaking as if he has been doing that. No he has not. Maybe he will tomorrow but that hasn't happened yet).

Taeja has wrist problems and was arguably the best player in the world during Summer of 2012. Symbol has not dropped off I don't know where you're looking. Consecutive Ro4 appearances in GSL. Did not advance from arguably the hardest group in WCS Finals(HerO ForGG sOs Symbol). Life hasn't shown much recently but he reached the final in Korean Qualifier for Asian Indoor and Martial Arts Games which was filled with top players from Kespa and ESF. Also won the HotS MLG.

U just mad.

Edit: According to aligulac, Innovation is 66-26 in games and 34-11 in matches since HotS with his weakest matchup being TvT at 64% of games won
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