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On June 08 2013 05:29 p14c wrote:
It's funny that there are people who think MVP and ForGG have chances to win the title. They moved to Europe for a reason people!
OK! I will give you a hint: they could not compete in Korea anymore..The competition became to tough once Kespa players swarmed the GSL.
Obviously not true in case of MVP, and in case of ForGG, Violet got good outside of korea, who's to say ForGG can't do the same.
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On June 08 2013 05:29 p14c wrote:
It's funny that there are people who think MVP and ForGG have chances to win the title. They moved to Europe for a reason people!
OK! I will give you a hint: they could not compete in Korea anymore..The competition became to tough once Kespa players swarmed the GSL.
or maybe it was because they were in Code B and wanted to have a chance of actually making it to the WCS playoffs and get dat money, as Mvp mentions in every interview.
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On June 08 2013 05:36 p14c wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 05:32 ShroudeD wrote:On June 08 2013 05:29 p14c wrote:
It's funny that there are people that think MVP and ForGG have chances to win the title. They moved to Europe for a reason people! You are one of those guys that thought they wouldn't even get through the groups and look at you now... To bee honest they didn't faced really that good opposition. They can win a game or two sometimes but not a championship. They can't even qualify for Code S Korea...or even worse for Code A...
They didn't face that good opposition hm...So forgg beat HerO WCS AM champ and sOs code s semifinalist i see.. not even code a right.Mvp beat kangho hmmm 5th/6th place code S.this is the last comment i will make now if you want to continue this argument pm or smth
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On June 08 2013 04:27 Chewbaccaa wrote:
Do you have a link for the forgg's interview marshall ?
ps: lol at the dude behind forgg
I snapped a small video of the 2nd time he started making faces, but the first time was by far the most hilarious. It was so bad that after the 2nd time they had to do an extreme closeup of forgg's face to cut the guy outta the picture.
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On June 08 2013 05:40 ShroudeD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 05:36 p14c wrote:On June 08 2013 05:32 ShroudeD wrote:On June 08 2013 05:29 p14c wrote:
It's funny that there are people that think MVP and ForGG have chances to win the title. They moved to Europe for a reason people! You are one of those guys that thought they wouldn't even get through the groups and look at you now... To bee honest they didn't faced really that good opposition. They can win a game or two sometimes but not a championship. They can't even qualify for Code S Korea...or even worse for Code A... They didn't face that good opposition hm...So forgg beat HerO WCS AM champ and sOs code s semifinalist i see.. not even code a right.Mvp beat kangho hmmm 5th/6th place code S.this is the last comment i will make now if you want to continue this argument pm or smth
He is a known kespa vs esf troll. Ignore him.
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On June 08 2013 05:36 p14c wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 05:32 ShroudeD wrote:On June 08 2013 05:29 p14c wrote:
It's funny that there are people that think MVP and ForGG have chances to win the title. They moved to Europe for a reason people! You are one of those guys that thought they wouldn't even get through the groups and look at you now... To bee honest they didn't faced really that good opposition. They can win a game or two sometimes but not a championship. They can't even qualify for Code S Korea...or even worse for Code A...
People always discount code B Koreans.
Plenty of code B players can win against several code S players when they are hot. Also, MVP and ForGG are not just any average code B players.
That's why this WCS format is terrible, different groups of Koreans went through completely different levels of competition to reach season finals. Risk-award ratios are too unbalanced.
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On June 08 2013 05:51 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 05:22 1raxexpand wrote:On June 08 2013 05:17 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 08 2013 05:14 Kyaaaaa wrote:On June 08 2013 05:08 p14c wrote:On June 08 2013 04:52 edgeOut wrote:
Innovation vs Soulkey finals again plz, this time different results for Soulkey to return the favor by Bogus. Sadly I think Soulkey got unlucky because Roro ZvZ is one of the best out there. I don't see Roro beating Innovation in a BO7 BTW so the final could be quite one sided and David Kim will have an excuse to nerf Terran once and for all. Yeah right. Nerfing terran when Zergs keep winning tournaments? Especially since Terran is being figured out and it's harder for players not Innovation or Flash to do well? Terran already has the least players out of any race in the next OSL, they're not going to nerf anything for one tournament result. The only people who can't beat Terran are foreigners. Right now it is basically Roach bust or die. Even if Zerg is winning half of there matches this isn't really great for the game. Its like ZvP in WOL all over again forcing players into roles before the game even starts. A small change here and there could improve this imo. Maybe make mech and Roach/Hydra more viable? Roach bust or die TO INNOVATION. Zerg plays macro fine against any other terran. You are going a little overboard here. Nah, every successful Zerg used tons of all ins vs Terran in the last GSL. Soulkey, Losira and Symbol all inned almost every game vs Bomber, Innovation and Gumiho. Revival reached the WCS AM finals by all inning a Terran multiple games in a row. Stephano attempted multiple all ins in his final vs Mvp. Life has done ling/bane all ins in almost every successful match vs Terran so far in HOTS. Soulkey even all inned vs Alive despite being a far better player. I am sure there are many more examples but I can;t think of them at the moment.
Maybe because it worked so well? (very small margin of errors terran). Yugioh beat Gumiho convincingly in U&D macro game, and it is hard to argue that Yugioh is consistently better. Also Losira beat Mvp when he went for bio mine. Not all terrans have Innovation & Flash executions.
There should be more, considering so many terrans lost to zergs U&D and code A but I didn't watch most of the matches.
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So, finally is there any way to see the matches again? Link? Vods??? Replays?
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I'm confused, why does people seem to believe that GSL somehow turned into WCS, while it rather turned into WCS Korea? It makes no sense why a GOM TV subscription would give you all the WCS VOD's for free.
The fact that you have to pay for WCS VOD's at all should be criticized though, but that's blizzard's fault I guess.
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If blizzard is trying to grow esports to casual players I can say hiding or charging money for vods is never going to help with that. There new main wcs battle net page should have all the games by match that would be perfect. The hours for this are bad for most normal people so obviously no one can see any of it without the video.
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On June 08 2013 03:34 FrogOfWar wrote:
Hi guys, I bought a subscription on twitch (it's only 4,99 USD), can you recommend any of the day 1 matches? Would be appreciated!
Is there any way to choose what to see in the twitch subscription(5$)? Is only the rebroadcasts? Cant you stop and check it later???
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Will there be VODS up at any point?
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On June 08 2013 05:51 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 05:22 1raxexpand wrote:On June 08 2013 05:17 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 08 2013 05:14 Kyaaaaa wrote:On June 08 2013 05:08 p14c wrote:On June 08 2013 04:52 edgeOut wrote:
Innovation vs Soulkey finals again plz, this time different results for Soulkey to return the favor by Bogus. Sadly I think Soulkey got unlucky because Roro ZvZ is one of the best out there. I don't see Roro beating Innovation in a BO7 BTW so the final could be quite one sided and David Kim will have an excuse to nerf Terran once and for all. Yeah right. Nerfing terran when Zergs keep winning tournaments? Especially since Terran is being figured out and it's harder for players not Innovation or Flash to do well? Terran already has the least players out of any race in the next OSL, they're not going to nerf anything for one tournament result. The only people who can't beat Terran are foreigners. Right now it is basically Roach bust or die. Even if Zerg is winning half of there matches this isn't really great for the game. Its like ZvP in WOL all over again forcing players into roles before the game even starts. A small change here and there could improve this imo. Maybe make mech and Roach/Hydra more viable? Roach bust or die TO INNOVATION. Zerg plays macro fine against any other terran. You are going a little overboard here. Nah, every successful Zerg used tons of all ins vs Terran in the last GSL. Soulkey, Losira and Symbol all inned almost every game vs Bomber, Innovation and Gumiho. Revival reached the WCS AM finals by all inning a Terran multiple games in a row. Stephano attempted multiple all ins in his final vs Mvp. Life has done ling/bane all ins in almost every successful match vs Terran so far in HOTS. Soulkey even all inned vs Alive despite being a far better player. I am sure there are many more examples but I can;t think of them at the moment.
So what you're saying is Terran is being too greedy?... Who'd of thought thats why they have an advantage in macro games if they open so greedily and DONT get punished... It's like zerg going 3 hatch before pool or something silly. Can't really complain about it..
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I thought this whole wcs finals thing was going to be free and I thought they said vods too but it doesnt seem to be the case.
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On June 08 2013 06:22 snakeeyez wrote:
If blizzard is trying to grow esports to casual players I can say hiding or charging money for vods is never going to help with that. There new main wcs battle net page should have all the games by match that would be perfect. The hours for this are bad for most normal people so obviously no one can see any of it without the video.
Yeah, but the organizations running the WCS don't want to hope for some growth in SC2 viewership in the long term. They want (maybe need?) that short term revenue.
I think having a paywall for VODs is a bad idea, but it's important to remember they aren't doing this because they want to fuck you over, but because they think this is the best move for them financially. I still hope that Blizzard will reconsider this move though.
I also wonder if the fact that ESL and MLG can put out free VODs is going to put increasing pressure on the Korean tournaments. Those tournaments aren't cheap to produce, and they might actually need the money. Who knows?
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Man, I hoped TLO or Steph could take just one game off those guys, just for honor you know T_T;
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On June 08 2013 07:14 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 06:22 snakeeyez wrote:
If blizzard is trying to grow esports to casual players I can say hiding or charging money for vods is never going to help with that. There new main wcs battle net page should have all the games by match that would be perfect. The hours for this are bad for most normal people so obviously no one can see any of it without the video. Yeah, but the organizations running the WCS don't want to hope for some growth in SC2 viewership in the long term. They want (maybe need?) that short term revenue. I think having a paywall for VODs is a bad idea, but it's important to remember they aren't doing this because they want to fuck you over, but because they think this is the best move for them financially. I still hope that Blizzard will reconsider this move though. I also wonder if the fact that ESL and MLG can put out free VODs is going to put increasing pressure on the Korean tournaments. Those tournaments aren't cheap to produce, and they might actually need the money. Who knows?
Is lying to people by telling them its going to be free and then not doing it though the best way to go about it? If they said its going to cost you money I would never bothered with this.
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