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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 07 2013 16:12 GMT
#1941
On May 07 2013 22:26 Ragnarork wrote:
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On May 07 2013 22:25 opterown wrote:
On May 07 2013 22:23 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 07 2013 22:21 Nebuchad wrote:
On May 07 2013 22:21 opterown wrote:
On May 07 2013 22:20 Nebuchad wrote:
On May 07 2013 22:16 DamageControL wrote:
On May 07 2013 22:13 scr wrote:
On May 07 2013 22:10 Zeon0 wrote:
Kespa owning... 5 Kespa players in ro8 atm (if you count Parting)


yeah that really sounds like owning :D
It's 5/6...so it'll sound like it. But it will likely also be 5/8 which is less dominating.


PartinG isn't kespa, and anyway we really shouldn't care where people come from as long as they show good games... No idea why we would.

parting is kespa, he's just not an elephant


Pretty sure when people start these kespa wars they're refering to the elephants, no?
If not it makes even less sense.


Just to make eSF fans mad, that's the whole purpose. Sense is out of the window long time ago in TL.

yeah i don't think there are that many actual kespa fans, more esf baiters


The point of being a "KeSPA" fan (as the organisation thing) eludes me...


Very few people are actually fans of kespa the organization. They have their fair share of politically controversial decisions within the business. That aside, they are the reason e-sports is so big in korea, and without them, there wouldn't be esf today.

The majority are actually just fans of kespa players, sometimes irrationally. It stems from the fact that in starcraft 1, a lot of the sc2 players early on were failed sc1 players who couldn't make the cut. Yes it is a new game, yes it rewards a different skillset, but the name of the game is there and long time fans have an expectation that the raw work ethic and natural talent of those who did succeed in sc1 will do the same in sc2. Not always the case (l0lbisu), but a lot of the kespa players are showing promise, and those who have been in the scene prior to sc2's release enjoy seeing the progamers who found success in a harder game to do the same now. Of course...some are just drama baiters, but you can figure them out yourself.
The Notorious Winkles
Kinon
Profile Joined October 2012
Romania207 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 17:02:34
May 07 2013 16:53 GMT
#1942
The point of being a "KeSPA" fan (as the organisation thing) eludes me...


A bit off topic, the point of being a fan of any player eludes me. I'm not talking only about ESports here, mainstream sport aswell. Players don't care about fans at all, and organizations only use fans to milk more money. I consider that being objective and watching a game of SC2/tennis/fotball without any emotional implication is the way to go.


T.O.P
Profile Joined December 2012
469 Posts
May 07 2013 17:15 GMT
#1943
go kespa players!
I'm not the real T.O.P just a fan!
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
May 07 2013 17:20 GMT
#1944
On May 08 2013 01:53 Kinon wrote:
Show nested quote +
The point of being a "KeSPA" fan (as the organisation thing) eludes me...


A bit off topic, the point of being a fan of any player eludes me. I'm not talking only about ESports here, mainstream sport aswell. Players don't care about fans at all, and organizations only use fans to milk more money. I consider that being objective and watching a game of SC2/tennis/fotball without any emotional implication is the way to go.


Partly true, yet some players do care about fans and you forget that you can be a fan of somebody because he delivers good games. Aka, I'm a fan of TLO because his games are often tense and interesting and he seems like he really cares about his fans.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 17:27:45
May 07 2013 17:26 GMT
#1945
Yoda, who has emaculate TvZ since the expansion came out, finally get taken down by Zergs?
:O
moo...for DRG
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
May 07 2013 17:33 GMT
#1946
Good games overall, one of the more interesting days in my opinion. Yoda's TvZ looked good but too one dimensional, and Flying looked weak after 2 base timing attack mode (decent game on Akilon Wastes vs. Roro). Overall it seems the better players advanced.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25222 Posts
May 07 2013 17:42 GMT
#1947
+ Point, is that I won't have to hear SC2 hipsters going on about Yoda until next season.

- Points, Kespa vs ESF nonsense.

Looking forward to watching the VoDs when I get time nonetheless. Also it's good to see the horrendously underpowered Zerg doing so badly in GSL this season, really validates all the whining about the race.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
jeri
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany335 Posts
May 07 2013 18:00 GMT
#1948
poor yoda 0:4 in tvz? was yoda rly playing? that was very very poor sc2 from yoda imho...
"The voices are back. Excellent." Dexter Morgan
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
May 07 2013 18:03 GMT
#1949
sOs vs Innovation final looking possible. I think sOs will win this season.
Fenrisulf
Profile Joined August 2010
United States325 Posts
May 07 2013 18:11 GMT
#1950
I cannot believe how stacked Ro8 is looking, Roro vs Innovation, Soulkey vs Parting, sOs....if it werent for the group of death eliminating Life and Flash, jesus.....
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
May 07 2013 18:24 GMT
#1951
On May 07 2013 22:27 BaaL` wrote:
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On May 07 2013 22:15 YoungTyTy wrote:
On May 07 2013 22:13 Ghanburighan wrote:
On May 07 2013 22:12 EpiK wrote:
On May 07 2013 22:08 YoungTyTy wrote:
Ahhh, my one dislike of the GSL style system. Roro advances 2-3 over Flying. I know he played better when it counted, but it's still unfortunate.


what's a better alternative?


Extended series

I actually like extended series, but there really is no perfect system. They all have their own faults and people can get the short stick sometimes


Well I would say the only downside of current GSL system is that the initial match set-up matters quite a bit. If you are against the favorite, you have quite a big disadvantage. For example let's say players are 1-4, with 1 being the best etc.

Games could be:
2 > 3 score 2-0
1 > 4
1 > 2
3 > 4
3 > 2 score 2-1 (this would be the only ''upset'', but could easily go this way if 2 and 3 are not far apart)

1 and 3 advance even though 2 went 3-2 in total in their games.

This feels pretty unfair towards player 2, he did play better in their matches overall than player 3 after all. This is supposed to be compensated by player 2 losing in the winner's match, while player 3 won in the loser's match, BUT obviously winner's match should be a lot harder to win than loser's match.

Still it would also not be fair to extend the series, for example starting from 2-0 and doing a best of 5. Both players have won 1 series and lost 1 series so far, so this approach would IMO favor player 2 too much. Maybe player 2 should get a 1 map advantage only if he won 2-0 in the initial series, but that's getting a bit convoluted.

still better than coinflips ...
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Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 20:25:12
May 07 2013 20:24 GMT
#1952
On May 07 2013 23:41 AlternativeEgo wrote:
I thought that pretty much everyone agreed that KeSPA was the big bad evil. That's at least what I got from reading the threads about it before and during the switch.


That's true for everyone who's not a long time BW fan, pretty much those who don't know what KeSPA is before SC2.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
May 07 2013 21:28 GMT
#1953
What a "head" v. "heart" group. My head knew these two were gonna advance. My heart would have preferred otherwise.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
May 07 2013 22:11 GMT
#1954
Yoda is so cheesy
I'm glad soulkey smacked him down hard in game 2
moo...for DRG
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
May 08 2013 00:10 GMT
#1955
what the hell YoDa?
rip prime
Disastorm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States922 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 06:51:51
May 08 2013 06:49 GMT
#1956
On May 07 2013 22:06 AlternativeEgo wrote:
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On May 07 2013 21:59 Type|NarutO wrote:
I can already imagine some people after the games (in case RorO wins) "Flying is 3-2 vs RorO but RorO does advance, such an unfair system blabla" - -


Well it is a pretty "unfair" way to settle a group. They should get Hellspawn on it.

Its not even remotely unfair. In fact, if they were to make RorO play more games I'd say it would be unfair. RO16 is a Group style double elimination, thats how its done. Theres no other way to be more fair. What IS unfair is the MLG style extended series, theres a reason why no standard tournaments do it.
"Don't worry so much man. There won't be any more zergs left to QQ. Lots of QQ about TvT is incoming though I bet." - Vrok 9/21/10
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 08 2013 07:15 GMT
#1957
On May 08 2013 15:49 Disastorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 22:06 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On May 07 2013 21:59 Type|NarutO wrote:
I can already imagine some people after the games (in case RorO wins) "Flying is 3-2 vs RorO but RorO does advance, such an unfair system blabla" - -


Well it is a pretty "unfair" way to settle a group. They should get Hellspawn on it.

Its not even remotely unfair. In fact, if they were to make RorO play more games I'd say it would be unfair. RO16 is a Group style double elimination, thats how its done. Theres no other way to be more fair. What IS unfair is the MLG style extended series, theres a reason why no standard tournaments do it.

i don't think it was particularly unfair, it was just bad luck and not great design, but it was "fair" in that people knew what they were getting themselves into
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
May 08 2013 10:41 GMT
#1958
On May 08 2013 16:15 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 15:49 Disastorm wrote:
On May 07 2013 22:06 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On May 07 2013 21:59 Type|NarutO wrote:
I can already imagine some people after the games (in case RorO wins) "Flying is 3-2 vs RorO but RorO does advance, such an unfair system blabla" - -


Well it is a pretty "unfair" way to settle a group. They should get Hellspawn on it.

Its not even remotely unfair. In fact, if they were to make RorO play more games I'd say it would be unfair. RO16 is a Group style double elimination, thats how its done. Theres no other way to be more fair. What IS unfair is the MLG style extended series, theres a reason why no standard tournaments do it.

i don't think it was particularly unfair, it was just bad luck and not great design, but it was "fair" in that people knew what they were getting themselves into


Well, it's all about winning series when that matters. RorO lost the first series but won the following two. Flying won the first one but lost the following two. That's a valid counter-argument to say that RorO should advance, even though he has a < 50% rate in his matches against Flying. I see this as RorO being the better player. 1v1 record between 2 players isn't the only thing that determines if one is better..
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yrt123
Profile Joined October 2012
Singapore1246 Posts
May 08 2013 13:49 GMT
#1959
On May 08 2013 03:11 Fenrisulf wrote:
I cannot believe how stacked Ro8 is looking, Roro vs Innovation, Soulkey vs Parting, sOs....if it werent for the group of death eliminating Life and Flash, jesus.....


How can you leave out Bomber you made me sad
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 08 2013 19:21 GMT
#1960
On May 08 2013 01:53 Kinon wrote:
Show nested quote +
The point of being a "KeSPA" fan (as the organisation thing) eludes me...


A bit off topic, the point of being a fan of any player eludes me. I'm not talking only about ESports here, mainstream sport aswell. Players don't care about fans at all, and organizations only use fans to milk more money. I consider that being objective and watching a game of SC2/tennis/fotball without any emotional implication is the way to go.




Players don't care about the fans at all...? What?
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