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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 21:56:07
April 17 2013 21:55 GMT
#1821
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
April 17 2013 22:00 GMT
#1822
Rain is the only player I've ever heard of that's called way better than his opponent after getting completely outplayed 2 games in a row
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
April 17 2013 22:02 GMT
#1823
On April 18 2013 07:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Rain is the only player I've ever heard of that's called way better than his opponent after getting completely outplayed 2 games in a row

nah there are a few more, often they are foreigners or kespa players haha
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 17 2013 22:06 GMT
#1824
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 17 2013 22:17 GMT
#1825
all my brotoss keep losing fuck this shit d;
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 17 2013 22:18 GMT
#1826
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Addicted2Dreaming
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada116 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 23:19:33
April 17 2013 23:10 GMT
#1827
On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen.

Laughably ignorant; not worth the time.

On April 18 2013 06:25 fezvez wrote:
I agree with you about how Rain is easily top 3 protoss in the world.

I also agree that GumiHo is not top 3 terran in the world.

But, this day, Gumiho just played superbly. Gumiho is an inconsistent player, able to destroy his opponents in GSTL before losing to much lesser players (though, not at the same extent as Bomber) and never going far far far in a GSL. Rain on the other hand is muh more consistent. I felt his play was beautiful yesterday. But his beautiful play was overshadowed by Gumiho's even sexier play.

What may annoy you is that Gumiho might bomb out of the Ro16 because of his inconsistency, whereas Rain would have triumphed. True. But yesterday, Gumiho was the better player.

And don't start about how Terran is OP, it is not.

Gumiho may technically be inconsistent according to his individual results, but this 'quality' of being inconsistent is not inherent or innate; rather, said inconsistency can be owed to poor luck.

Gumi has always been a Code S Champion contender, and this is evidenced in even the most generic of his play. Any unbiased person who 'knows their StarCraft' would acknowledge this (unfortunately such folk seem to be far and few between). Single-handedly acquiring his team 'GSTL Champion' status twice (all-kill followed by reverse triple) only serves to further attest to the kid's staggering potential.

And speaking of consistency; I'd say Gumi's been pretty damn consistent with providing us some of the absolute highest-quality, most entertaining games of all time through his prodigy: unrivaled, relentless multitasking; innovation in the contexts of strategy and unit composition/employment; unique, always-in-your-face, bare-knuckled playstyle; and those 'cute', clutch, super sexy micro moves that we can expect nigh every game from Gumi...these moves may be replicated and Gumi may not necessarily be the originator...but, certainly, no other player delivers or provides them at nearly such a frequency.

Gumi's play just never fails to make me smile. It's truly awe-inspiring in its own way. The kid works his ass off, and it shows. He even refuses to leave Korea till he's won a GSL. Truly worthy of admiration. And yet so criminally underrated for whatever reason. Perhaps the blind/ignorant fanboys (*cough* Maghetti *cough*) don't find him as sexy/cute as MKP or some equally abominable, vomit-inducing, heinous reason.
favs = leenock, gumiho, sC, life, sniper, jjakji, mvp, tear, innovation, polt, mc, dream
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
April 17 2013 23:31 GMT
#1828
On April 18 2013 07:06 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 07:02 opterown wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Rain is the only player I've ever heard of that's called way better than his opponent after getting completely outplayed 2 games in a row

nah there are a few more, often they are foreigners or kespa players haha

Stephano, Mvp, Flash, Rain, Bisu, Idra, Fantasy, HerO

Did I get them all?

MKP, Nestea?

Basically just overhyped fan faves. I think it actually happens a lot.
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 17 2013 23:34 GMT
#1829
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
April 17 2013 23:48 GMT
#1830
On April 18 2013 08:34 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 08:31 DamageControL wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:06 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:02 opterown wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Rain is the only player I've ever heard of that's called way better than his opponent after getting completely outplayed 2 games in a row

nah there are a few more, often they are foreigners or kespa players haha

Stephano, Mvp, Flash, Rain, Bisu, Idra, Fantasy, HerO

Did I get them all?

MKP, Nestea?

Basically just overhyped fan faves. I think it actually happens a lot.

I think Nestea fans are not serious though. Flash fans are actually deluded enough to think he is the best -_-.


Also quite unfortunately Nestea fans haven't had anything "big" to cheer about lately, so maybe it's just an older memory.

I'm not a Nestea fan, but that thought still makes me sad. He used to be so boss. Then he won the Nestea award.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 23:51:56
April 17 2013 23:50 GMT
#1831
On April 18 2013 08:34 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 08:31 DamageControL wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:06 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:02 opterown wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Rain is the only player I've ever heard of that's called way better than his opponent after getting completely outplayed 2 games in a row

nah there are a few more, often they are foreigners or kespa players haha

Stephano, Mvp, Flash, Rain, Bisu, Idra, Fantasy, HerO

Did I get them all?

MKP, Nestea?

Basically just overhyped fan faves. I think it actually happens a lot.

I think Nestea fans are not serious though. Flash fans are actually deluded enough to think he is the best -_-.


But he's the best, it will be delusional to not acknowledge that.

He will be in Code B next season to show people that he can go straight from code B to WCS season final champion in one season.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 17 2013 23:53 GMT
#1832
On April 18 2013 08:31 DamageControL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 07:06 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:02 opterown wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Rain is the only player I've ever heard of that's called way better than his opponent after getting completely outplayed 2 games in a row

nah there are a few more, often they are foreigners or kespa players haha

Stephano, Mvp, Flash, Rain, Bisu, Idra, Fantasy, HerO

Did I get them all?

MKP, Nestea?

Basically just overhyped fan faves. I think it actually happens a lot.

Well, to be fair MKP is always the better player. It's not being a blind fanboy to say the truth.

+ Show Spoiler +
^_^
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 23:59:54
April 17 2013 23:59 GMT
#1833
On April 18 2013 08:34 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 08:31 DamageControL wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:06 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:02 opterown wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Rain is the only player I've ever heard of that's called way better than his opponent after getting completely outplayed 2 games in a row

nah there are a few more, often they are foreigners or kespa players haha

Stephano, Mvp, Flash, Rain, Bisu, Idra, Fantasy, HerO

Did I get them all?

MKP, Nestea?

Basically just overhyped fan faves. I think it actually happens a lot.

I think Nestea fans are not serious though. Flash fans are actually deluded enough to think he is the best -_-.


yeah lets completely forget the part of "greatest starcraft player of all time" for the sake of his rather short sc2 career
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Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
April 18 2013 00:12 GMT
#1834
Gumiho!!!!!!

Yeaaah :D
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
April 18 2013 00:16 GMT
#1835
Results arent suprising and really rain played very well no shame losing to innovation. Rain lost one game because he forgot the range on lance upgrade so I mean rain made a few mistakes but only looked outplayed because of the skill of his opponents. Rain is still easily one of if not the top protoss player right now.
TimENT
Profile Joined November 2012
United States1425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 00:24:11
April 18 2013 00:20 GMT
#1836
On April 18 2013 07:06 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 07:02 opterown wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Rain is the only player I've ever heard of that's called way better than his opponent after getting completely outplayed 2 games in a row

nah there are a few more, often they are foreigners or kespa players haha

Stephano, Mvp, Flash, Rain, Bisu, Idra, Fantasy, HerO

Did I get them all?


Ironic that you left out Nestea and Leenock

I literally listened to people say that Nestea is better than his opponents for 2 years while losing fifty games
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 18 2013 00:22 GMT
#1837
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theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
April 18 2013 00:34 GMT
#1838
grats innovation. rain, son, i am disappoint. was expecting more out of you.
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
April 18 2013 00:37 GMT
#1839
On April 18 2013 08:10 Addicted2Dreaming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 06:09 Maghetti wrote:
I am reading through this thread as I watch the vods(i dont know the results) and I am so fucking pissed I can't help but type this. Gumiho advancing over rain is a travesty. Rain is the best protoss or at worst top 3(and that nonsense by opterown saying rain is a lesser creator is hilarious when creator is at best a mid tier code s player not not even in the discussion of best protoss in the world) and to have a group with the best terran and top 3 protoss to have a low or maybe mid tier terran advance over either one of them is horrible. I'm sure some how im going to find that Innovation gets knocked out too and ill need a new computer screen.

Laughably ignorant; not worth the time.

Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 06:25 fezvez wrote:
I agree with you about how Rain is easily top 3 protoss in the world.

I also agree that GumiHo is not top 3 terran in the world.

But, this day, Gumiho just played superbly. Gumiho is an inconsistent player, able to destroy his opponents in GSTL before losing to much lesser players (though, not at the same extent as Bomber) and never going far far far in a GSL. Rain on the other hand is muh more consistent. I felt his play was beautiful yesterday. But his beautiful play was overshadowed by Gumiho's even sexier play.

What may annoy you is that Gumiho might bomb out of the Ro16 because of his inconsistency, whereas Rain would have triumphed. True. But yesterday, Gumiho was the better player.

And don't start about how Terran is OP, it is not.

Gumiho may technically be inconsistent according to his individual results, but this 'quality' of being inconsistent is not inherent or innate; rather, said inconsistency can be owed to poor luck.

Gumi has always been a Code S Champion contender, and this is evidenced in even the most generic of his play. Any unbiased person who 'knows their StarCraft' would acknowledge this (unfortunately such folk seem to be far and few between). Single-handedly acquiring his team 'GSTL Champion' status twice (all-kill followed by reverse triple) only serves to further attest to the kid's staggering potential.

And speaking of consistency; I'd say Gumi's been pretty damn consistent with providing us some of the absolute highest-quality, most entertaining games of all time through his prodigy: unrivaled, relentless multitasking; innovation in the contexts of strategy and unit composition/employment; unique, always-in-your-face, bare-knuckled playstyle; and those 'cute', clutch, super sexy micro moves that we can expect nigh every game from Gumi...these moves may be replicated and Gumi may not necessarily be the originator...but, certainly, no other player delivers or provides them at nearly such a frequency.

Gumi's play just never fails to make me smile. It's truly awe-inspiring in its own way. The kid works his ass off, and it shows. He even refuses to leave Korea till he's won a GSL. Truly worthy of admiration. And yet so criminally underrated for whatever reason. Perhaps the blind/ignorant fanboys (*cough* Maghetti *cough*) don't find him as sexy/cute as MKP or some equally abominable, vomit-inducing, heinous reason.


hahaha
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
April 18 2013 00:40 GMT
#1840
On April 18 2013 09:22 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2013 09:20 TimENT wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:06 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:02 opterown wrote:
On April 18 2013 07:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Rain is the only player I've ever heard of that's called way better than his opponent after getting completely outplayed 2 games in a row

nah there are a few more, often they are foreigners or kespa players haha

Stephano, Mvp, Flash, Rain, Bisu, Idra, Fantasy, HerO

Did I get them all?


Ironic that you left out Nestea and Leenock

Like I said before no one thinks Nestea is actually good (at least in the last 6 months, wasn't here before then).

I don't know what you are talking about with Leenock. If anything he is underrated.


Leenock is overrated by winning foreigner tournaments.
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