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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 16 2013 23:55 GMT
#5021
On April 17 2013 08:49 govie wrote:
I hope starbuck enters again. He is legit!

And he can enter from pretty much anywhere, too! Free Wi-Fi in all of his stores!
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 00:01:35
April 16 2013 23:58 GMT
#5022
On April 17 2013 08:52 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 08:46 s3rp wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:40 Nebuchad wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:38 s3rp wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:36 Nebuchad wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:15 FeyFey wrote:
On April 17 2013 07:58 DeathProfessor wrote:
Feels great but 6 Terran of 6 and 6/6 Europeans?

Seriously this must be why I hear most complaining at lower levels of SC2, Terran seems quite dominant unless you can get a really really good player then for some odd inexplicable reason it does a polar shift, in Code S KR there are a majority Zerg now! So this is getting pretty bizarre.


Like mentioned before the strong toss and zerg players got invited for EU already. So it was likely that Terrans will qualify.


Except the terrans that qualified aren't the missing great terran players that you speak of... This is a really ridiculous defense.


Execpt Bunny all of the qualified Terrans at least had some strong showings before. Nothing groundbreaking but good enough to make them a threat to qualify on a good day.


I don't mean to say they're bad. Just saying that the argument is ridiculous. It's like saying "hey MVP and Flash aren't in code S this year, so it makes sense that Noblesse and Center should qualify."


I don't know you eliminate the top20 european non-terrans( yes it's 19 i know ) by seeding them it becomes likelier that Terrans qualify , doesn't it ? Unless you believe in the notion that the non-korean Terrans are worse than their counter parts of Zerg/Toss.


...I mean it's really clear to me, am I not getting through?
Let's keep it in GSL, you invite all the code S protoss/zerg in a tourney, and then you do qualifiers between code A players. Noblesse and Center, good players, don't automatically become MVP and Flash, great players, just because great players weren't invited. You're basically saying that Noblesse and Center should be favored over the other code A players because the code S players were invited, which makes no sense.

Starve's point is more interesting though.


My point is the European/non-korean Terrans aren't/weren't as bad as their reputation may be. Now that their odds aren't as skewed anymore as by the end of WoL it's very likely that some of the will emerge as just as strong as their counterparts from Zerg/Toss . You might see it differently but Terran has become alot more competetive at the non-korean level again for whatever reason. And it great to see. Maybe they became better but i think they've been good before just had a disadvantage in WoL .
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
April 16 2013 23:58 GMT
#5023
On April 17 2013 08:41 trudodyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 08:16 SinCitta wrote:
So, who are the favorites for tomorrow?

Welmu, PandaTank, finale, Beastyqt, maybe BlinG.

It would be good to see players like LoWeLy and NightEnD finally get their act together and perform again.

NightEnD has performed atrociously in the qualifiers; I did not see his games, but it's so hard to be a fan of his when he is so inconsistent.

LoWeLy, I think, hasn't played anywhere near enough HotS.

Welmu, Beastyqt, BlinG and XlorD deserve it most probably, though Harstem, ParanOid, LiveZerg, TargA and Starbuck would be nice to see.

As for the non-Europeans, PandaTank, XiGua and Daisy are all awesome players. Can't wait for Daisy to return to Europe. I don't want finale and TAiLS to qualify because I don't want this league to be about "oooh he lost because of lag"..unfortunately the same goes for XiGua, but at least its XiGua's only choice so it would be nice to see him. Shuttle lives in NA, plays for an NA team, and lives in the city where the WCS studios will be, so no matter how good he is, he doesn't deserve to take anyone's spot.
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 00:03:02
April 17 2013 00:01 GMT
#5024
On April 17 2013 08:58 mikkmagro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 08:41 trudodyr wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:16 SinCitta wrote:
So, who are the favorites for tomorrow?

Welmu, PandaTank, finale, Beastyqt, maybe BlinG.

It would be good to see players like LoWeLy and NightEnD finally get their act together and perform again.

NightEnD has performed atrociously in the qualifiers; I did not see his games, but it's so hard to be a fan of his when he is so inconsistent.

LoWeLy, I think, hasn't played anywhere near enough HotS.

Welmu, Beastyqt, BlinG and XlorD deserve it most probably, though Harstem, ParanOid, LiveZerg, TargA and Starbuck would be nice to see.

As for the non-Europeans, PandaTank, XiGua and Daisy are all awesome players. Can't wait for Daisy to return to Europe. I don't want finale and TAiLS to qualify because I don't want this league to be about "oooh he lost because of lag"..unfortunately the same goes for XiGua, but at least its XiGua's only choice so it would be nice to see him. Shuttle lives in NA, plays for an NA team, and lives in the city where the WCS studios will be, so no matter how good he is, he doesn't deserve to take anyone's spot.


Daisy will return to Europe shortly, which is why he will try to qualify for EU Premier, and if not Premier, then Challenger, he will also be bringing some friends with him to play in the EU Challenger qualifiers in 2 weeks, who sadly did not make it into WCS Korea, and have decided to just up and move to Europe and take all of our money!

These qualifiers have been rough for us, I thought maybe we'd have a chance today, but then both Morrow + Daisy lost very close series vs Shuttle and Tails 1-2

Tomorrow is our last chance, and I really hope we can have someone to keep SortOf company in Premier, while everyone else tears up Challenger division
Head of Production at FACEITTV, ex-WW & Mouz SC2 manager
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
April 17 2013 00:03 GMT
#5025
I guess this is somewhere in the 250+ pages, but can someone please paste links to vods and/or replays please.
Thanks in advance.
Chicken gank op
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 17 2013 00:03 GMT
#5026
On April 17 2013 08:55 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 08:49 govie wrote:
I hope starbuck enters again. He is legit!

And he can enter from pretty much anywhere, too! Free Wi-Fi in all of his stores!


Then he should invite all the koreans aswell so lagissues are no more^^
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 00:05:54
April 17 2013 00:04 GMT
#5027
On April 17 2013 09:01 Tidus Mino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 08:58 mikkmagro wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:41 trudodyr wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:16 SinCitta wrote:
So, who are the favorites for tomorrow?

Welmu, PandaTank, finale, Beastyqt, maybe BlinG.

It would be good to see players like LoWeLy and NightEnD finally get their act together and perform again.

NightEnD has performed atrociously in the qualifiers; I did not see his games, but it's so hard to be a fan of his when he is so inconsistent.

LoWeLy, I think, hasn't played anywhere near enough HotS.

Welmu, Beastyqt, BlinG and XlorD deserve it most probably, though Harstem, ParanOid, LiveZerg, TargA and Starbuck would be nice to see.

As for the non-Europeans, PandaTank, XiGua and Daisy are all awesome players. Can't wait for Daisy to return to Europe. I don't want finale and TAiLS to qualify because I don't want this league to be about "oooh he lost because of lag"..unfortunately the same goes for XiGua, but at least its XiGua's only choice so it would be nice to see him. Shuttle lives in NA, plays for an NA team, and lives in the city where the WCS studios will be, so no matter how good he is, he doesn't deserve to take anyone's spot.


Daisy will return to Europe shortly, which is why he will try to qualify for EU Premier, and if not Premier, then Challenger, he will also be bringing some friends with him to play in the EU Challenger qualifiers in 2 weeks, who sadly did not make it into WCS Korea, and have decided to just up and move to Europe and take all of our money!

These qualifiers have been rough for us, I thought maybe we'd have a chance today, but then both Morrow + Daisy lost very close series vs Shuttle and Tails 1-2

Tomorrow is our last chance, and I really hope we can have someone to keep SortOf company in Premier, while everyone else tears up Challenger division


They wouldn't be allowed to try and qualify for this season in europe if they already tried to get into Korea's WCS this season.
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 00:06:18
April 17 2013 00:06 GMT
#5028
On April 17 2013 09:04 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 09:01 Tidus Mino wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:58 mikkmagro wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:41 trudodyr wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:16 SinCitta wrote:
So, who are the favorites for tomorrow?

Welmu, PandaTank, finale, Beastyqt, maybe BlinG.

It would be good to see players like LoWeLy and NightEnD finally get their act together and perform again.

NightEnD has performed atrociously in the qualifiers; I did not see his games, but it's so hard to be a fan of his when he is so inconsistent.

LoWeLy, I think, hasn't played anywhere near enough HotS.

Welmu, Beastyqt, BlinG and XlorD deserve it most probably, though Harstem, ParanOid, LiveZerg, TargA and Starbuck would be nice to see.

As for the non-Europeans, PandaTank, XiGua and Daisy are all awesome players. Can't wait for Daisy to return to Europe. I don't want finale and TAiLS to qualify because I don't want this league to be about "oooh he lost because of lag"..unfortunately the same goes for XiGua, but at least its XiGua's only choice so it would be nice to see him. Shuttle lives in NA, plays for an NA team, and lives in the city where the WCS studios will be, so no matter how good he is, he doesn't deserve to take anyone's spot.


Daisy will return to Europe shortly, which is why he will try to qualify for EU Premier, and if not Premier, then Challenger, he will also be bringing some friends with him to play in the EU Challenger qualifiers in 2 weeks, who sadly did not make it into WCS Korea, and have decided to just up and move to Europe and take all of our money!

These qualifiers have been rough for us, I thought maybe we'd have a chance today, but then both Morrow + Daisy lost very close series vs Shuttle and Tails 1-2

Tomorrow is our last chance, and I really hope we can have someone to keep SortOf company in Premier, while everyone else tears up Challenger division


They wouldn't be allowed to try and qualify this season though if they already tried in Korea this season.


There is no challenger division in season 1, so the Challenger qualifiers will actually count as being outside of season 1, allowing all Koreans to play the challenger qualifier, as the actual Challenger division will not begin until after the Premier division is over

Also 1000 posts
Head of Production at FACEITTV, ex-WW & Mouz SC2 manager
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
April 17 2013 00:09 GMT
#5029
On April 17 2013 09:06 Tidus Mino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 09:04 s3rp wrote:
On April 17 2013 09:01 Tidus Mino wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:58 mikkmagro wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:41 trudodyr wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:16 SinCitta wrote:
So, who are the favorites for tomorrow?

Welmu, PandaTank, finale, Beastyqt, maybe BlinG.

It would be good to see players like LoWeLy and NightEnD finally get their act together and perform again.

NightEnD has performed atrociously in the qualifiers; I did not see his games, but it's so hard to be a fan of his when he is so inconsistent.

LoWeLy, I think, hasn't played anywhere near enough HotS.

Welmu, Beastyqt, BlinG and XlorD deserve it most probably, though Harstem, ParanOid, LiveZerg, TargA and Starbuck would be nice to see.

As for the non-Europeans, PandaTank, XiGua and Daisy are all awesome players. Can't wait for Daisy to return to Europe. I don't want finale and TAiLS to qualify because I don't want this league to be about "oooh he lost because of lag"..unfortunately the same goes for XiGua, but at least its XiGua's only choice so it would be nice to see him. Shuttle lives in NA, plays for an NA team, and lives in the city where the WCS studios will be, so no matter how good he is, he doesn't deserve to take anyone's spot.


Daisy will return to Europe shortly, which is why he will try to qualify for EU Premier, and if not Premier, then Challenger, he will also be bringing some friends with him to play in the EU Challenger qualifiers in 2 weeks, who sadly did not make it into WCS Korea, and have decided to just up and move to Europe and take all of our money!

These qualifiers have been rough for us, I thought maybe we'd have a chance today, but then both Morrow + Daisy lost very close series vs Shuttle and Tails 1-2

Tomorrow is our last chance, and I really hope we can have someone to keep SortOf company in Premier, while everyone else tears up Challenger division


They wouldn't be allowed to try and qualify this season though if they already tried in Korea this season.


There is no challenger division in season 1, so the Challenger qualifiers will actually count as being outside of season 1, allowing all Koreans to play the challenger qualifier, as the actual Challenger division will not begin until after the Premier division is over

Also 1000 posts


Thats kind of strange . Does that mean MC could do the same although he played in WCS Korea before in this very season ?
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
April 17 2013 00:10 GMT
#5030
On April 17 2013 09:01 Tidus Mino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 08:58 mikkmagro wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:41 trudodyr wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:16 SinCitta wrote:
So, who are the favorites for tomorrow?

Welmu, PandaTank, finale, Beastyqt, maybe BlinG.

It would be good to see players like LoWeLy and NightEnD finally get their act together and perform again.

NightEnD has performed atrociously in the qualifiers; I did not see his games, but it's so hard to be a fan of his when he is so inconsistent.

LoWeLy, I think, hasn't played anywhere near enough HotS.

Welmu, Beastyqt, BlinG and XlorD deserve it most probably, though Harstem, ParanOid, LiveZerg, TargA and Starbuck would be nice to see.

As for the non-Europeans, PandaTank, XiGua and Daisy are all awesome players. Can't wait for Daisy to return to Europe. I don't want finale and TAiLS to qualify because I don't want this league to be about "oooh he lost because of lag"..unfortunately the same goes for XiGua, but at least its XiGua's only choice so it would be nice to see him. Shuttle lives in NA, plays for an NA team, and lives in the city where the WCS studios will be, so no matter how good he is, he doesn't deserve to take anyone's spot.


Daisy will return to Europe shortly, which is why he will try to qualify for EU Premier, and if not Premier, then Challenger, he will also be bringing some friends with him to play in the EU Challenger qualifiers in 2 weeks, who sadly did not make it into WCS Korea, and have decided to just up and move to Europe and take all of our money!

These qualifiers have been rough for us, I thought maybe we'd have a chance today, but then both Morrow + Daisy lost very close series vs Shuttle and Tails 1-2

Tomorrow is our last chance, and I really hope we can have someone to keep SortOf company in Premier, while everyone else tears up Challenger division


If only he had moved to Europe earlier, he would have made it to Premier, and now he just might have to dominate Challenger. Will Arthur and Sting also make the move?

On April 17 2013 09:04 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 09:01 Tidus Mino wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:58 mikkmagro wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:41 trudodyr wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:16 SinCitta wrote:
So, who are the favorites for tomorrow?

Welmu, PandaTank, finale, Beastyqt, maybe BlinG.

It would be good to see players like LoWeLy and NightEnD finally get their act together and perform again.

NightEnD has performed atrociously in the qualifiers; I did not see his games, but it's so hard to be a fan of his when he is so inconsistent.

LoWeLy, I think, hasn't played anywhere near enough HotS.

Welmu, Beastyqt, BlinG and XlorD deserve it most probably, though Harstem, ParanOid, LiveZerg, TargA and Starbuck would be nice to see.

As for the non-Europeans, PandaTank, XiGua and Daisy are all awesome players. Can't wait for Daisy to return to Europe. I don't want finale and TAiLS to qualify because I don't want this league to be about "oooh he lost because of lag"..unfortunately the same goes for XiGua, but at least its XiGua's only choice so it would be nice to see him. Shuttle lives in NA, plays for an NA team, and lives in the city where the WCS studios will be, so no matter how good he is, he doesn't deserve to take anyone's spot.


Daisy will return to Europe shortly, which is why he will try to qualify for EU Premier, and if not Premier, then Challenger, he will also be bringing some friends with him to play in the EU Challenger qualifiers in 2 weeks, who sadly did not make it into WCS Korea, and have decided to just up and move to Europe and take all of our money!

These qualifiers have been rough for us, I thought maybe we'd have a chance today, but then both Morrow + Daisy lost very close series vs Shuttle and Tails 1-2

Tomorrow is our last chance, and I really hope we can have someone to keep SortOf company in Premier, while everyone else tears up Challenger division


They wouldn't be allowed to try and qualify for this season in europe if they already tried to get into Korea's WCS this season.

Actually, they can still try to get into Challenger. Just look at MC lol, he played Code S, lost, and then he wanted to participate in EU. I hope he isn't awarded points from both Code S, and Europe Challenger.
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
April 17 2013 00:12 GMT
#5031
On April 17 2013 09:10 mikkmagro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 09:01 Tidus Mino wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:58 mikkmagro wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:41 trudodyr wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:16 SinCitta wrote:
So, who are the favorites for tomorrow?

Welmu, PandaTank, finale, Beastyqt, maybe BlinG.

It would be good to see players like LoWeLy and NightEnD finally get their act together and perform again.

NightEnD has performed atrociously in the qualifiers; I did not see his games, but it's so hard to be a fan of his when he is so inconsistent.

LoWeLy, I think, hasn't played anywhere near enough HotS.

Welmu, Beastyqt, BlinG and XlorD deserve it most probably, though Harstem, ParanOid, LiveZerg, TargA and Starbuck would be nice to see.

As for the non-Europeans, PandaTank, XiGua and Daisy are all awesome players. Can't wait for Daisy to return to Europe. I don't want finale and TAiLS to qualify because I don't want this league to be about "oooh he lost because of lag"..unfortunately the same goes for XiGua, but at least its XiGua's only choice so it would be nice to see him. Shuttle lives in NA, plays for an NA team, and lives in the city where the WCS studios will be, so no matter how good he is, he doesn't deserve to take anyone's spot.


Daisy will return to Europe shortly, which is why he will try to qualify for EU Premier, and if not Premier, then Challenger, he will also be bringing some friends with him to play in the EU Challenger qualifiers in 2 weeks, who sadly did not make it into WCS Korea, and have decided to just up and move to Europe and take all of our money!

These qualifiers have been rough for us, I thought maybe we'd have a chance today, but then both Morrow + Daisy lost very close series vs Shuttle and Tails 1-2

Tomorrow is our last chance, and I really hope we can have someone to keep SortOf company in Premier, while everyone else tears up Challenger division


If only he had moved to Europe earlier, he would have made it to Premier, and now he just might have to dominate Challenger. Will Arthur and Sting also make the move?

Show nested quote +
On April 17 2013 09:04 s3rp wrote:
On April 17 2013 09:01 Tidus Mino wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:58 mikkmagro wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:41 trudodyr wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:16 SinCitta wrote:
So, who are the favorites for tomorrow?

Welmu, PandaTank, finale, Beastyqt, maybe BlinG.

It would be good to see players like LoWeLy and NightEnD finally get their act together and perform again.

NightEnD has performed atrociously in the qualifiers; I did not see his games, but it's so hard to be a fan of his when he is so inconsistent.

LoWeLy, I think, hasn't played anywhere near enough HotS.

Welmu, Beastyqt, BlinG and XlorD deserve it most probably, though Harstem, ParanOid, LiveZerg, TargA and Starbuck would be nice to see.

As for the non-Europeans, PandaTank, XiGua and Daisy are all awesome players. Can't wait for Daisy to return to Europe. I don't want finale and TAiLS to qualify because I don't want this league to be about "oooh he lost because of lag"..unfortunately the same goes for XiGua, but at least its XiGua's only choice so it would be nice to see him. Shuttle lives in NA, plays for an NA team, and lives in the city where the WCS studios will be, so no matter how good he is, he doesn't deserve to take anyone's spot.


Daisy will return to Europe shortly, which is why he will try to qualify for EU Premier, and if not Premier, then Challenger, he will also be bringing some friends with him to play in the EU Challenger qualifiers in 2 weeks, who sadly did not make it into WCS Korea, and have decided to just up and move to Europe and take all of our money!

These qualifiers have been rough for us, I thought maybe we'd have a chance today, but then both Morrow + Daisy lost very close series vs Shuttle and Tails 1-2

Tomorrow is our last chance, and I really hope we can have someone to keep SortOf company in Premier, while everyone else tears up Challenger division


They wouldn't be allowed to try and qualify for this season in europe if they already tried to get into Korea's WCS this season.

Actually, they can still try to get into Challenger. Just look at MC lol, he played Code S, lost, and then he wanted to participate in EU. I hope he isn't awarded points from both Code S, and Europe Challenger.


Yes they will, in more important news though, I shall play the qualifier tomorrow, expect me to dominate with my diamond skills!
Head of Production at FACEITTV, ex-WW & Mouz SC2 manager
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 17 2013 00:13 GMT
#5032
On April 17 2013 08:35 farnham wrote:
So far europe looks like a three way fight between mma, mvp and stephano. Maybe naniwa, vortix or nerchio can get to a finals too but i think its basically going to be between those three


You've no idea how good anyone is at HOTS. MMA/Mvp are great players sure but they need to make it through the first group stage with a lot of lag, anyone can lose under those conditions.

Stephano has not looked impressive at all in HOTS so far. This isn't a total reset, but don't expect the exact same people to be on top in HOTS as were in WOL, especially a lot of Zerg players.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
April 17 2013 00:13 GMT
#5033
If there's no challenger division this season where will the eliminated players from the prermier division go this season to try and get back into the premiere division ? I thought there was going to be qualfiers for challenger as well and actual challenger play this season as well .
PuppyPrime
Profile Joined April 2013
27 Posts
April 17 2013 00:13 GMT
#5034
Krass pretty solid beating Tails and Harstem. EU Terrans fighting! :D
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
April 17 2013 00:14 GMT
#5035
On April 17 2013 09:13 s3rp wrote:
If there's no challenger division this season where will the eliminated players from the prermier division go this season to try and get back into the premiere division ? I thought there was going to be qualfiers for challenger as well and actual challenger play this season as well .

qualifier for challenger division will come later
(probably in 7 or 10 days)
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
April 17 2013 00:15 GMT
#5036
On April 17 2013 08:27 Dodgin wrote:
TL has an interview squad?

only for TSL
yo
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-17 00:17:19
April 17 2013 00:16 GMT
#5037
On April 17 2013 09:10 mikkmagro wrote:
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On April 17 2013 09:01 Tidus Mino wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:58 mikkmagro wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:41 trudodyr wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:16 SinCitta wrote:
So, who are the favorites for tomorrow?

Welmu, PandaTank, finale, Beastyqt, maybe BlinG.

It would be good to see players like LoWeLy and NightEnD finally get their act together and perform again.

NightEnD has performed atrociously in the qualifiers; I did not see his games, but it's so hard to be a fan of his when he is so inconsistent.

LoWeLy, I think, hasn't played anywhere near enough HotS.

Welmu, Beastyqt, BlinG and XlorD deserve it most probably, though Harstem, ParanOid, LiveZerg, TargA and Starbuck would be nice to see.

As for the non-Europeans, PandaTank, XiGua and Daisy are all awesome players. Can't wait for Daisy to return to Europe. I don't want finale and TAiLS to qualify because I don't want this league to be about "oooh he lost because of lag"..unfortunately the same goes for XiGua, but at least its XiGua's only choice so it would be nice to see him. Shuttle lives in NA, plays for an NA team, and lives in the city where the WCS studios will be, so no matter how good he is, he doesn't deserve to take anyone's spot.


Daisy will return to Europe shortly, which is why he will try to qualify for EU Premier, and if not Premier, then Challenger, he will also be bringing some friends with him to play in the EU Challenger qualifiers in 2 weeks, who sadly did not make it into WCS Korea, and have decided to just up and move to Europe and take all of our money!

These qualifiers have been rough for us, I thought maybe we'd have a chance today, but then both Morrow + Daisy lost very close series vs Shuttle and Tails 1-2

Tomorrow is our last chance, and I really hope we can have someone to keep SortOf company in Premier, while everyone else tears up Challenger division


If only he had moved to Europe earlier, he would have made it to Premier, and now he just might have to dominate Challenger. Will Arthur and Sting also make the move?

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On April 17 2013 09:04 s3rp wrote:
On April 17 2013 09:01 Tidus Mino wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:58 mikkmagro wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:41 trudodyr wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:16 SinCitta wrote:
So, who are the favorites for tomorrow?

Welmu, PandaTank, finale, Beastyqt, maybe BlinG.

It would be good to see players like LoWeLy and NightEnD finally get their act together and perform again.

NightEnD has performed atrociously in the qualifiers; I did not see his games, but it's so hard to be a fan of his when he is so inconsistent.

LoWeLy, I think, hasn't played anywhere near enough HotS.

Welmu, Beastyqt, BlinG and XlorD deserve it most probably, though Harstem, ParanOid, LiveZerg, TargA and Starbuck would be nice to see.

As for the non-Europeans, PandaTank, XiGua and Daisy are all awesome players. Can't wait for Daisy to return to Europe. I don't want finale and TAiLS to qualify because I don't want this league to be about "oooh he lost because of lag"..unfortunately the same goes for XiGua, but at least its XiGua's only choice so it would be nice to see him. Shuttle lives in NA, plays for an NA team, and lives in the city where the WCS studios will be, so no matter how good he is, he doesn't deserve to take anyone's spot.


Daisy will return to Europe shortly, which is why he will try to qualify for EU Premier, and if not Premier, then Challenger, he will also be bringing some friends with him to play in the EU Challenger qualifiers in 2 weeks, who sadly did not make it into WCS Korea, and have decided to just up and move to Europe and take all of our money!

These qualifiers have been rough for us, I thought maybe we'd have a chance today, but then both Morrow + Daisy lost very close series vs Shuttle and Tails 1-2

Tomorrow is our last chance, and I really hope we can have someone to keep SortOf company in Premier, while everyone else tears up Challenger division


They wouldn't be allowed to try and qualify for this season in europe if they already tried to get into Korea's WCS this season.

Actually, they can still try to get into Challenger. Just look at MC lol, he played Code S, lost, and then he wanted to participate in EU. I hope he isn't awarded points from both Code S, and Europe Challenger.


I thought MC , Taeja whoever would start in their next regions Code B NEXT season not that they can get into the equvivalent of Code A after already playing in another even in a different region. Strange stuff.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12193 Posts
April 17 2013 00:23 GMT
#5038
On April 17 2013 08:58 s3rp wrote:
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On April 17 2013 08:52 Nebuchad wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:46 s3rp wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:40 Nebuchad wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:38 s3rp wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:36 Nebuchad wrote:
On April 17 2013 08:15 FeyFey wrote:
On April 17 2013 07:58 DeathProfessor wrote:
Feels great but 6 Terran of 6 and 6/6 Europeans?

Seriously this must be why I hear most complaining at lower levels of SC2, Terran seems quite dominant unless you can get a really really good player then for some odd inexplicable reason it does a polar shift, in Code S KR there are a majority Zerg now! So this is getting pretty bizarre.


Like mentioned before the strong toss and zerg players got invited for EU already. So it was likely that Terrans will qualify.


Except the terrans that qualified aren't the missing great terran players that you speak of... This is a really ridiculous defense.


Execpt Bunny all of the qualified Terrans at least had some strong showings before. Nothing groundbreaking but good enough to make them a threat to qualify on a good day.


I don't mean to say they're bad. Just saying that the argument is ridiculous. It's like saying "hey MVP and Flash aren't in code S this year, so it makes sense that Noblesse and Center should qualify."


I don't know you eliminate the top20 european non-terrans( yes it's 19 i know ) by seeding them it becomes likelier that Terrans qualify , doesn't it ? Unless you believe in the notion that the non-korean Terrans are worse than their counter parts of Zerg/Toss.


...I mean it's really clear to me, am I not getting through?
Let's keep it in GSL, you invite all the code S protoss/zerg in a tourney, and then you do qualifiers between code A players. Noblesse and Center, good players, don't automatically become MVP and Flash, great players, just because great players weren't invited. You're basically saying that Noblesse and Center should be favored over the other code A players because the code S players were invited, which makes no sense.

Starve's point is more interesting though.


My point is the European/non-korean Terrans aren't/weren't as bad as their reputation may be. Now that their odds aren't as skewed anymore as by the end of WoL it's very likely that some of the will emerge as just as strong as their counterparts from Zerg/Toss . You might see it differently but Terran has become alot more competetive at the non-korean level again for whatever reason. And it great to see. Maybe they became better but i think they've been good before just had a disadvantage in WoL .


Well WoL's end was zerg overpowered, not terran underpowered. Korean PvT was at least balanced, if not advantage terran. So your argument only works in the TvZ match-up, not in the TvP match-up.

Also I like how 5-1-0 is "competitive" in your book, that's a solid euphemism, I'll keep it for later =)
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 17 2013 00:23 GMT
#5039
woah, two foreigners again? I know the lag is bad and the Koreans aren't that great, but I'd of thought we'd have at least 1 by now.
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April 17 2013 00:25 GMT
#5040
On April 17 2013 09:14 Yhamm wrote:
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On April 17 2013 09:13 s3rp wrote:
If there's no challenger division this season where will the eliminated players from the prermier division go this season to try and get back into the premiere division ? I thought there was going to be qualfiers for challenger as well and actual challenger play this season as well .

qualifier for challenger division will come later
(probably in 7 or 10 days)


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