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Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
April 11 2013 15:11 GMT
#2501
On April 12 2013 00:02 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 23:40 DJHelium wrote:
Those bothered by the ESF vs Kespa debate, just ignore it. Whenever I see someone say that one side is better than the other, I think of Mvp and Flash and that they both said that there is no difference.

Why would a poster on TL have more knowledge than the best players from BW/SC2? They don't!


Just take yesterday matches : 2 KeSPA advances. Take today's match : 2 eSF advances.
Group A and B ? 1 KeSPA and 1 eSF each.

It's fucking perfectly balanced !



Also 3 Z, 3 T and 2 P... Even race seems nice and balanced
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 15:13:06
April 11 2013 15:12 GMT
#2502
On April 12 2013 00:10 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 23:58 s3rp wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:31 ninjamyst wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:24 TimENT wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:21 Merfyn wrote:
FUCK YEAH KESPA TAKING OVER GSL THEY'RE THE BE--- Oh, wait.


Please. This is the day after Curious & MKP got rocked by sOs and soO. I don't think Fantasy or True are high on anyones list when it came to Kespa players in this GSL.
That belongs to: RorO, Flying, Innovation, Rain, Parting, Soulkey, and Flash. All of which are going to stomp competition.


Maybe they will, maybe they won't. The whole Kespa vs eSF discussion is retarded either way.

No it's not, it's awesome.


Why so? Threads turn to shit super quickly. Why not support players from either side without giving a damn what organisation they're from?


why have teams at all then? why have leagues? why have anything but individual players? because rooting for a team or even a league / organization is what sports is all about...


So you cheer for Roger Federer's Tennis Club when you watch him play? Teams sure I understand. Esports organisations is a bit silly though.
That's like saying "Go ATP players!" if there was anything else.

There actually is a bit of an "old school" vs "new school" storyline to it though. KESPA guys mainly just came into the game, but are still kind of old school because they were the big dogs in BW. So they have a chip on their shoulder to be the big dogs here too. But the ESF guys are mainly BW castoffs who became the big dogs in SC2, so they have a chip on their shoulder because they don't want these upstarts coming in and taking their glory.

When players like Flash and Life play eachother and give an amazing finals, it just makes the storyline that much more intense. Life, the definition of the new school champion, playing against Flash, the established long-time champ.

And if there are two sides, everyone wants to pick one and root against the other.

(I love Life though, and have ever since he was on Zenex, but that's beside the point.)


I'd argue that has gone down quite a big . Alot of the eSF players especially the newer ones these days weren't BW players at all.

Which just ups the ante even more. Young guys who know nothing of their own history coming in and trying to usurp the rightful throne of the Trail-blazing Masters. Old players whose glory is fading coming back to take on the world on a do or die mission to reclaim the Sacred Title!

Can't teach an old dog new tricks? Try telling that to Flash! Young pups don't have sharp fangs? Try telling that to Life!

Ballsy recruits versus hardened veterans. Young Bucks taking on the Old Bulls. Blood will be spilled. Tears shall be shed. Lives changed. Will a new Emperor be born, or will the Ancients rise to heights yet unknown? Tune in next time on Dragon Ball Starcraft to find out!

Any way I look at it.

except that's not how the player bashers look at it. they are like "lol flash is inherently superior because he played the hardest game at the highest level and therefore everyone who played that game is inherently superior to everyone playing sc2, a player like true is just better than a player like taeja, no contest, lol esf fans so deluded" which is untrue
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sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
April 11 2013 15:18 GMT
#2503
On April 12 2013 00:12 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 00:10 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:58 s3rp wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:31 ninjamyst wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:24 TimENT wrote:
[quote]

Please. This is the day after Curious & MKP got rocked by sOs and soO. I don't think Fantasy or True are high on anyones list when it came to Kespa players in this GSL.
That belongs to: RorO, Flying, Innovation, Rain, Parting, Soulkey, and Flash. All of which are going to stomp competition.


Maybe they will, maybe they won't. The whole Kespa vs eSF discussion is retarded either way.

No it's not, it's awesome.


Why so? Threads turn to shit super quickly. Why not support players from either side without giving a damn what organisation they're from?


why have teams at all then? why have leagues? why have anything but individual players? because rooting for a team or even a league / organization is what sports is all about...


So you cheer for Roger Federer's Tennis Club when you watch him play? Teams sure I understand. Esports organisations is a bit silly though.
That's like saying "Go ATP players!" if there was anything else.

There actually is a bit of an "old school" vs "new school" storyline to it though. KESPA guys mainly just came into the game, but are still kind of old school because they were the big dogs in BW. So they have a chip on their shoulder to be the big dogs here too. But the ESF guys are mainly BW castoffs who became the big dogs in SC2, so they have a chip on their shoulder because they don't want these upstarts coming in and taking their glory.

When players like Flash and Life play eachother and give an amazing finals, it just makes the storyline that much more intense. Life, the definition of the new school champion, playing against Flash, the established long-time champ.

And if there are two sides, everyone wants to pick one and root against the other.

(I love Life though, and have ever since he was on Zenex, but that's beside the point.)


I'd argue that has gone down quite a big . Alot of the eSF players especially the newer ones these days weren't BW players at all.

Which just ups the ante even more. Young guys who know nothing of their own history coming in and trying to usurp the rightful throne of the Trail-blazing Masters. Old players whose glory is fading coming back to take on the world on a do or die mission to reclaim the Sacred Title!

Can't teach an old dog new tricks? Try telling that to Flash! Young pups don't have sharp fangs? Try telling that to Life!

Ballsy recruits versus hardened veterans. Young Bucks taking on the Old Bulls. Blood will be spilled. Tears shall be shed. Lives changed. Will a new Emperor be born, or will the Ancients rise to heights yet unknown? Tune in next time on Dragon Ball Starcraft to find out!

Any way I look at it.

except that's not how the player bashers look at it. they are like "lol flash is inherently superior because he played the hardest game at the highest level and therefore everyone who played that game is inherently superior to everyone playing sc2, a player like true is just better than a player like taeja, no contest, lol esf fans so deluded" which is untrue

And that is messed up, but honestly, for me it makes it all that much more exciting and satisfying to see them win. Of course, people should keep it to a respectful, friendly level, but people don't work like that a lot of times. They invest emotion and it turns ugly, win or lose.

Gloat when you win, scoff when you lose. That is the world of the too-pumped fan.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
April 11 2013 15:18 GMT
#2504
i was like who the fuck is kangho then i saw the picture. fast fingers boy is back.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 15:28:52
April 11 2013 15:28 GMT
#2505
On April 12 2013 00:12 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 00:10 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:58 s3rp wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:31 ninjamyst wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:24 TimENT wrote:
[quote]

Please. This is the day after Curious & MKP got rocked by sOs and soO. I don't think Fantasy or True are high on anyones list when it came to Kespa players in this GSL.
That belongs to: RorO, Flying, Innovation, Rain, Parting, Soulkey, and Flash. All of which are going to stomp competition.


Maybe they will, maybe they won't. The whole Kespa vs eSF discussion is retarded either way.

No it's not, it's awesome.


Why so? Threads turn to shit super quickly. Why not support players from either side without giving a damn what organisation they're from?


why have teams at all then? why have leagues? why have anything but individual players? because rooting for a team or even a league / organization is what sports is all about...


So you cheer for Roger Federer's Tennis Club when you watch him play? Teams sure I understand. Esports organisations is a bit silly though.
That's like saying "Go ATP players!" if there was anything else.

There actually is a bit of an "old school" vs "new school" storyline to it though. KESPA guys mainly just came into the game, but are still kind of old school because they were the big dogs in BW. So they have a chip on their shoulder to be the big dogs here too. But the ESF guys are mainly BW castoffs who became the big dogs in SC2, so they have a chip on their shoulder because they don't want these upstarts coming in and taking their glory.

When players like Flash and Life play eachother and give an amazing finals, it just makes the storyline that much more intense. Life, the definition of the new school champion, playing against Flash, the established long-time champ.

And if there are two sides, everyone wants to pick one and root against the other.

(I love Life though, and have ever since he was on Zenex, but that's beside the point.)


I'd argue that has gone down quite a big . Alot of the eSF players especially the newer ones these days weren't BW players at all.

Which just ups the ante even more. Young guys who know nothing of their own history coming in and trying to usurp the rightful throne of the Trail-blazing Masters. Old players whose glory is fading coming back to take on the world on a do or die mission to reclaim the Sacred Title!

Can't teach an old dog new tricks? Try telling that to Flash! Young pups don't have sharp fangs? Try telling that to Life!

Ballsy recruits versus hardened veterans. Young Bucks taking on the Old Bulls. Blood will be spilled. Tears shall be shed. Lives changed. Will a new Emperor be born, or will the Ancients rise to heights yet unknown? Tune in next time on Dragon Ball Starcraft to find out!

Any way I look at it.

except that's not how the player bashers look at it. they are like "lol flash is inherently superior because he played the hardest game at the highest level and therefore everyone who played that game is inherently superior to everyone playing sc2, a player like true is just better than a player like taeja, no contest, lol esf fans so deluded" which is untrue


Pretty much. Nothing wrong with a rivalry, and I see the kespa cheers as cheering on a group of players (old school BW players mostly) not necessarily the kespa organization itself. At least that's how I see them. PartinG is a bit of a funny case in how I address him because most generally think kespa = elephant.

What I have a problem with is just the bullshit some of the kespa fans spew that simply isn't true. As if the average kespa player is on an entirely different tier than ESF players. This wouldn't be a problem if it was even somewhat validated with the results. Nothing I've seen thus far gameplay-wise leads me to believe Kespa will largely displace ESF at the top. Two Kespa players advance over 2 ESF players? Okay, cool. Come back when code S is > 50% kespa. Come back when ESF players look like foreigners vs Koreans. Because what I see so far is a pretty even field between two factions.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 15:32:29
April 11 2013 15:30 GMT
#2506
i can actually predict an argument/excuse that esf fans can use in the future if/when GSL becomes kespa dominated - it'll be because all the eSF talent is off farming money in WCS EU and NA lol

seriously WCS is so screwy sigh
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 11 2013 15:36 GMT
#2507
On April 12 2013 00:18 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 00:12 opterown wrote:
On April 12 2013 00:10 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:58 s3rp wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:31 ninjamyst wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
[quote]

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. The whole Kespa vs eSF discussion is retarded either way.

No it's not, it's awesome.


Why so? Threads turn to shit super quickly. Why not support players from either side without giving a damn what organisation they're from?


why have teams at all then? why have leagues? why have anything but individual players? because rooting for a team or even a league / organization is what sports is all about...


So you cheer for Roger Federer's Tennis Club when you watch him play? Teams sure I understand. Esports organisations is a bit silly though.
That's like saying "Go ATP players!" if there was anything else.

There actually is a bit of an "old school" vs "new school" storyline to it though. KESPA guys mainly just came into the game, but are still kind of old school because they were the big dogs in BW. So they have a chip on their shoulder to be the big dogs here too. But the ESF guys are mainly BW castoffs who became the big dogs in SC2, so they have a chip on their shoulder because they don't want these upstarts coming in and taking their glory.

When players like Flash and Life play eachother and give an amazing finals, it just makes the storyline that much more intense. Life, the definition of the new school champion, playing against Flash, the established long-time champ.

And if there are two sides, everyone wants to pick one and root against the other.

(I love Life though, and have ever since he was on Zenex, but that's beside the point.)


I'd argue that has gone down quite a big . Alot of the eSF players especially the newer ones these days weren't BW players at all.

Which just ups the ante even more. Young guys who know nothing of their own history coming in and trying to usurp the rightful throne of the Trail-blazing Masters. Old players whose glory is fading coming back to take on the world on a do or die mission to reclaim the Sacred Title!

Can't teach an old dog new tricks? Try telling that to Flash! Young pups don't have sharp fangs? Try telling that to Life!

Ballsy recruits versus hardened veterans. Young Bucks taking on the Old Bulls. Blood will be spilled. Tears shall be shed. Lives changed. Will a new Emperor be born, or will the Ancients rise to heights yet unknown? Tune in next time on Dragon Ball Starcraft to find out!

Any way I look at it.

except that's not how the player bashers look at it. they are like "lol flash is inherently superior because he played the hardest game at the highest level and therefore everyone who played that game is inherently superior to everyone playing sc2, a player like true is just better than a player like taeja, no contest, lol esf fans so deluded" which is untrue

And that is messed up, but honestly, for me it makes it all that much more exciting and satisfying to see them win. Of course, people should keep it to a respectful, friendly level, but people don't work like that a lot of times. They invest emotion and it turns ugly, win or lose.

Gloat when you win, scoff when you lose. That is the world of the too-pumped fan.


To be honest this is all probably just because there aren't many true, meaningful rivalries in Starcraft right now. KT vs SKT sure, but what else is there? And KT aren't even very good in PL! Leessangrok is basically pointless unless Jaedong stops sucking, ST vs IM is only a rivalry because they are the best ESF teams and not because there's actually anything there, Fanta vs JangBi was looking to become a great rivalry at the end of BW but JangBi got all the trophies over Fanta and they are only decent at SC2, DRG/MKP and Mvp/MMA are irrelevant in 2013... and... I can't think of anything else.

These guys need to start stepping up their rivalry-making. Maybe Flash vs Life can be a good one if they meet in another final. Other than those two, I can't see anyone else making a meaningful rivalry.

I guess until then we have to put up with Kespa vs ESF

I really hope they consolidate GSTL and PL so we can start focusing our hatred on teams again.

But then I'd be torn between Woongjin and IM T_T
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 15:38:50
April 11 2013 15:36 GMT
#2508
The reason I, and probably some other """""ESF Fans""""""" (whatever), aren't as hostile as the BW elitists is that I never ever played BW, i didn't know anything about these players, and to me it's really interesting to see completely new (to me) players come into the scene and show new strategies and interesting play. The more great players, the more exciting it is to me and everyone else. Of course I never cheer for them, because the bw people on these forums are so damn annoying (see the group C thread) so it just seems so hard to support them, but yeh.

TRUE though is different, big fan of him after that series with fantasy! Oh, and Innovation of course


mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 15:37:24
April 11 2013 15:36 GMT
#2509
yesterday 2 KESPA -> shitstorm erupts in thread
Today 2 ESF -> all quiet on the SC2 front lol

edit: oh wait, clearly i didn't read back far enough

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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 15:38:15
April 11 2013 15:37 GMT
#2510
Yesterday: Kespa the new hope!
Today: eSF strikes back!
Next week: The return of the Kespa!

Then everything turn to shit.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 11 2013 15:38 GMT
#2511
btw

MarineKing vs. Golden
GanZi vs. SortOf

are our starters in GSTL!

anyone up for making thread? they're not premade yet, but shouldn't be too hard. if one isn't up in the morning i'll premake a thread for someone to make
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
April 11 2013 15:39 GMT
#2512
On April 12 2013 00:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 00:12 opterown wrote:
On April 12 2013 00:10 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:58 s3rp wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:31 ninjamyst wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
[quote]

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. The whole Kespa vs eSF discussion is retarded either way.

No it's not, it's awesome.


Why so? Threads turn to shit super quickly. Why not support players from either side without giving a damn what organisation they're from?


why have teams at all then? why have leagues? why have anything but individual players? because rooting for a team or even a league / organization is what sports is all about...


So you cheer for Roger Federer's Tennis Club when you watch him play? Teams sure I understand. Esports organisations is a bit silly though.
That's like saying "Go ATP players!" if there was anything else.

There actually is a bit of an "old school" vs "new school" storyline to it though. KESPA guys mainly just came into the game, but are still kind of old school because they were the big dogs in BW. So they have a chip on their shoulder to be the big dogs here too. But the ESF guys are mainly BW castoffs who became the big dogs in SC2, so they have a chip on their shoulder because they don't want these upstarts coming in and taking their glory.

When players like Flash and Life play eachother and give an amazing finals, it just makes the storyline that much more intense. Life, the definition of the new school champion, playing against Flash, the established long-time champ.

And if there are two sides, everyone wants to pick one and root against the other.

(I love Life though, and have ever since he was on Zenex, but that's beside the point.)


I'd argue that has gone down quite a big . Alot of the eSF players especially the newer ones these days weren't BW players at all.

Which just ups the ante even more. Young guys who know nothing of their own history coming in and trying to usurp the rightful throne of the Trail-blazing Masters. Old players whose glory is fading coming back to take on the world on a do or die mission to reclaim the Sacred Title!

Can't teach an old dog new tricks? Try telling that to Flash! Young pups don't have sharp fangs? Try telling that to Life!

Ballsy recruits versus hardened veterans. Young Bucks taking on the Old Bulls. Blood will be spilled. Tears shall be shed. Lives changed. Will a new Emperor be born, or will the Ancients rise to heights yet unknown? Tune in next time on Dragon Ball Starcraft to find out!

Any way I look at it.

except that's not how the player bashers look at it. they are like "lol flash is inherently superior because he played the hardest game at the highest level and therefore everyone who played that game is inherently superior to everyone playing sc2, a player like true is just better than a player like taeja, no contest, lol esf fans so deluded" which is untrue


Pretty much. Nothing wrong with a rivalry, and I see the kespa cheers as cheering on a group of players (old school BW players mostly) not necessarily the kespa organization itself. At least that's how I see them. PartinG is a bit of a funny case in how I address him because most generally think kespa = elephant.

Kespa != elephant. I believe the idea is that elephant = top of the top of KeSPA players with championships or deep runs at least. It so far proven wrong. Jaedong in WoL was nothing like Jaedong in BW, though in HotS it's a bit better. Protosses so far were mediocre (Bisu, Stork, JangBi, Best). Flash was good but definitely with two "o"s.

There was never Elephant Stampede. There are no elephants. Maybe if they had switched in may 2011 there would have been.

On April 12 2013 00:30 opterown wrote:
i can actually predict an argument/excuse that esf fans can use in the future if/when GSL becomes kespa dominated - it'll be because all the eSF talent is off farming money in WCS EU and NA lol

seriously WCS is so screwy sigh

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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
April 11 2013 15:39 GMT
#2513
On April 12 2013 00:30 opterown wrote:
i can actually predict an argument/excuse that esf fans can use in the future if/when GSL becomes kespa dominated - it'll be because all the eSF talent is off farming money in WCS EU and NA lol

seriously WCS is so screwy sigh

Haha, yeah. T_T
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 11 2013 15:40 GMT
#2514
On April 12 2013 00:39 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 00:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On April 12 2013 00:12 opterown wrote:
On April 12 2013 00:10 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:58 s3rp wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:31 ninjamyst wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On April 11 2013 23:26 sc2superfan101 wrote:
[quote]
No it's not, it's awesome.


Why so? Threads turn to shit super quickly. Why not support players from either side without giving a damn what organisation they're from?


why have teams at all then? why have leagues? why have anything but individual players? because rooting for a team or even a league / organization is what sports is all about...


So you cheer for Roger Federer's Tennis Club when you watch him play? Teams sure I understand. Esports organisations is a bit silly though.
That's like saying "Go ATP players!" if there was anything else.

There actually is a bit of an "old school" vs "new school" storyline to it though. KESPA guys mainly just came into the game, but are still kind of old school because they were the big dogs in BW. So they have a chip on their shoulder to be the big dogs here too. But the ESF guys are mainly BW castoffs who became the big dogs in SC2, so they have a chip on their shoulder because they don't want these upstarts coming in and taking their glory.

When players like Flash and Life play eachother and give an amazing finals, it just makes the storyline that much more intense. Life, the definition of the new school champion, playing against Flash, the established long-time champ.

And if there are two sides, everyone wants to pick one and root against the other.

(I love Life though, and have ever since he was on Zenex, but that's beside the point.)


I'd argue that has gone down quite a big . Alot of the eSF players especially the newer ones these days weren't BW players at all.

Which just ups the ante even more. Young guys who know nothing of their own history coming in and trying to usurp the rightful throne of the Trail-blazing Masters. Old players whose glory is fading coming back to take on the world on a do or die mission to reclaim the Sacred Title!

Can't teach an old dog new tricks? Try telling that to Flash! Young pups don't have sharp fangs? Try telling that to Life!

Ballsy recruits versus hardened veterans. Young Bucks taking on the Old Bulls. Blood will be spilled. Tears shall be shed. Lives changed. Will a new Emperor be born, or will the Ancients rise to heights yet unknown? Tune in next time on Dragon Ball Starcraft to find out!

Any way I look at it.

except that's not how the player bashers look at it. they are like "lol flash is inherently superior because he played the hardest game at the highest level and therefore everyone who played that game is inherently superior to everyone playing sc2, a player like true is just better than a player like taeja, no contest, lol esf fans so deluded" which is untrue


Pretty much. Nothing wrong with a rivalry, and I see the kespa cheers as cheering on a group of players (old school BW players mostly) not necessarily the kespa organization itself. At least that's how I see them. PartinG is a bit of a funny case in how I address him because most generally think kespa = elephant.

Kespa != elephant. I believe the idea is that elephant = top of the top of KeSPA players with championships or deep runs at least. It so far proven wrong. Jaedong in WoL was nothing like Jaedong in BW, though in HotS it's a bit better. Protosses so far were mediocre (Bisu, Stork, JangBi, Best). Flash was good but definitely with two "o"s.

There was never Elephant Stampede. There are no elephants. Maybe if they had switched in may 2011 there would have been.

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On April 12 2013 00:30 opterown wrote:
i can actually predict an argument/excuse that esf fans can use in the future if/when GSL becomes kespa dominated - it'll be because all the eSF talent is off farming money in WCS EU and NA lol

seriously WCS is so screwy sigh

Whenever I see number of posts next to your nick, I'm scared

haha i hate to think what you feel about shellbot's post count~
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Fyy
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany82 Posts
April 11 2013 15:42 GMT
#2515
am i the only one who thinks that those games were acutally pretty messy?
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 11 2013 15:45 GMT
#2516
On April 12 2013 00:38 opterown wrote:
btw

MarineKing vs. Golden
GanZi vs. SortOf

are our starters in GSTL!

anyone up for making thread? they're not premade yet, but shouldn't be too hard. if one isn't up in the morning i'll premake a thread for someone to make


What time are they? I can handle the earlier one.
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Australia54784 Posts
April 11 2013 15:47 GMT
#2517
On April 12 2013 00:45 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 00:38 opterown wrote:
btw

MarineKing vs. Golden
GanZi vs. SortOf

are our starters in GSTL!

anyone up for making thread? they're not premade yet, but shouldn't be too hard. if one isn't up in the morning i'll premake a thread for someone to make


What time are they? I can handle the earlier one.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18269918

i premade prime vs. startale, i'll do the other one tomorrow morning when i wake up haha, getting a bit tired
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DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
April 11 2013 15:48 GMT
#2518
TAEJA!!!!

:D

But fantasy
Liquid | SKT
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 11 2013 15:49 GMT
#2519
On April 12 2013 00:47 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 00:45 lichter wrote:
On April 12 2013 00:38 opterown wrote:
btw

MarineKing vs. Golden
GanZi vs. SortOf

are our starters in GSTL!

anyone up for making thread? they're not premade yet, but shouldn't be too hard. if one isn't up in the morning i'll premake a thread for someone to make


What time are they? I can handle the earlier one.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18269918

i premade prime vs. startale, i'll do the other one tomorrow morning when i wake up haha, getting a bit tired


Oh wait WHAT they are BOTH in the evening? -_-'' I can't then because that is driving time. Maybe the latter one but then I'd have to sacrifice ladder time lol
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Australia54784 Posts
April 11 2013 15:50 GMT
#2520
On April 12 2013 00:49 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 00:47 opterown wrote:
On April 12 2013 00:45 lichter wrote:
On April 12 2013 00:38 opterown wrote:
btw

MarineKing vs. Golden
GanZi vs. SortOf

are our starters in GSTL!

anyone up for making thread? they're not premade yet, but shouldn't be too hard. if one isn't up in the morning i'll premake a thread for someone to make


What time are they? I can handle the earlier one.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18269918

i premade prime vs. startale, i'll do the other one tomorrow morning when i wake up haha, getting a bit tired


Oh wait WHAT they are BOTH in the evening? -_-'' I can't then because that is driving time. Maybe the latter one but then I'd have to sacrifice ladder time lol

oh, azubu vs. NSH will be an earlier match but it's on saturday, i haven't premade that one yet. prime vs. startale is evening yeah.

dw about about prime vs. startale if you can't, i'm sure someone will be able to do it haha
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