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Sugarfluff
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden132 Posts
April 07 2013 04:28 GMT
#321
Exciting match. Go Eff0rt!
If something is funny, it is worth doing.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 07 2013 04:29 GMT
#322
On April 07 2013 13:28 Sugarfluff wrote:
Exciting match. Go Eff0rt!

have to be honest..its been 1 minute into this match and its been far from exciting >_>
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
April 07 2013 04:29 GMT
#323
On April 07 2013 13:26 Kieofire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 13:25 PVJ wrote:
How was the TvP on FS?


It was an epic game, I rate it at 10/10.


On April 07 2013 13:27 Giriath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 13:25 PVJ wrote:
How was the TvP on FS?


Epic back and forth on low supply with constant action and (mostly) wise decisions.


Cool, thanks guys, I'll definitely check it out then later.

These sick decals still give me the chills.
The heart's eternal vow
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
April 07 2013 04:30 GMT
#324
Well at least they explained the issues. Glad they at least did that.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 04:31:17
April 07 2013 04:30 GMT
#325
On April 07 2013 13:28 AgentW wrote:
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On April 07 2013 13:25 opterown wrote:
am i a bad person if i root for cure, argo and savage to take their games, so that hero or hydra wins in ace?

No shame, just points.

is this the PL? is this just fantasy? ( )
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
April 07 2013 04:31 GMT
#326
On April 07 2013 13:27 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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On April 07 2013 13:25 opterown wrote:
am i a bad person if i root for cure, argo and savage to take their games, so that hero or hydra wins in ace?

yes because you told me i should root for teams to do well instead of fantasy when i wanted byun to lose so Maru could come out D:

nah that was prime specifically
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Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 07 2013 04:31 GMT
#327
On April 07 2013 13:30 Hrrrrm wrote:
Well at least they explained the issues. Glad they at least did that.


Sorry I'm not on listening on the English stream what did they say?
The curse is real
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
April 07 2013 04:32 GMT
#328
On April 07 2013 13:24 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On April 07 2013 13:22 Wombat_NI wrote:
On April 07 2013 13:20 larse wrote:
On April 07 2013 13:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
On April 07 2013 13:02 larse wrote:
Their whole goal of HOTS beta is "to make mech viable in TvP"

And yeah! Mech TvP is viable now in professional plays because we have 4 widow mines in the early game in TvP!

Why is everyone obsessed with mech? it's viable in both TvT and TvZ, and TvP has actually been a decent, stable matchup for ages.


Because if you look at every other matchups except TvP, no tech path is so unforgivingly denied.

In TvP, Terran is stuck in MMMVG tech path and all other tech patch is not good even the game goes into 1 hour long. There is no unit-composition transition (as you can see in all other matchups) at all in TvP and so the unit-composition diversity in TvP is basically non-existent. And making mech viable is to open all these pathes.

This is not the case in all other matchups.

Still doesn't make it bad, PvT pissed all over ZvT and PvZ at the end of WoL despite its rather stable compositions on both sides.

I think that is an overexageration. Simply looking at the top games list done by TL TvZ had the most matches and most of them were at the end of the year. Even in the last GSL there were tons of great TvZ games (including the best WOL series ever played).

TvP gave for more enjoyable games for me at a Code S level for the last few months, it's generally always been very compositionally rigorous, but you always felt for the most part that it was a fair one. TvZ was pretty horrible, but yeah Gumiho/Losira was absolutely ridiculous, just done my third rewatch there!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
April 07 2013 04:34 GMT
#329
On April 07 2013 13:31 Tobblish wrote:
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On April 07 2013 13:30 Hrrrrm wrote:
Well at least they explained the issues. Glad they at least did that.


Sorry I'm not on listening on the English stream what did they say?

They just renovated during the time off, so things weren't perfect. PM either of them with things to fix on the English stream etc.

Should someone just link them the reddit thread with all of the complaints?
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 04:34:34
April 07 2013 04:34 GMT
#330
On April 07 2013 13:24 larse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 13:22 Wombat_NI wrote:
On April 07 2013 13:20 larse wrote:
On April 07 2013 13:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
On April 07 2013 13:02 larse wrote:
Their whole goal of HOTS beta is "to make mech viable in TvP"

And yeah! Mech TvP is viable now in professional plays because we have 4 widow mines in the early game in TvP!

Why is everyone obsessed with mech? it's viable in both TvT and TvZ, and TvP has actually been a decent, stable matchup for ages.


Because if you look at every other matchups except TvP, no tech path is so unforgivingly denied.

In TvP, Terran is stuck in MMMVG tech path and all other tech patch is not good even the game goes into 1 hour long. There is no unit-composition transition (as you can see in all other matchups) at all in TvP and so the unit-composition diversity in TvP is basically non-existent. And making mech viable is to open all these pathes.

This is not the case in all other matchups.

Still doesn't make it bad, PvT pissed all over ZvT and PvZ at the end of WoL despite its rather stable compositions on both sides.


Yes, but stable composition is different from "no unit-composition transition". They are stable, but the unit composition is changing from Tier 1 to 3. But that's not the case in TvP

To be fair, there were two TvPs where the Terran did end up going for a significant composition transition. Both were MVP vs Squirtle games. One was an epic GSTL finals game on Terminus RE where MVP transitioned from bio into mech and lost.. The other was the GSL finals game where MVP transitioned into Ghost-BC and lost to an Archon toilet.

We'll see what happens in the future with what players do and with how Blizzard balances. I'm hoping that the tank gets buffed considering how it's in a weird position in TvZ where a lot of players are opting to build mines instead.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 07 2013 04:34 GMT
#331
I wonder where's the crowd from yesterday?
We had like 110 pages for KT/SKT
not even 20 pages thus far :<..
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 07 2013 04:34 GMT
#332
The team decals are on everything - all kinds of buildings and units. You can see the 8th logo on the reapers.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 07 2013 04:34 GMT
#333
Really diggin this play from Cure
The curse is real
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
April 07 2013 04:34 GMT
#334
I expect good things from this match.
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
April 07 2013 04:34 GMT
#335
On April 07 2013 13:31 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 13:30 Hrrrrm wrote:
Well at least they explained the issues. Glad they at least did that.


Sorry I'm not on listening on the English stream what did they say?


It was basically that they were planning on having an international version of everything for the english stream but some things happened where it was pushed back. Things should be fixed in a week or so. If not to bring it up again at that time.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 07 2013 04:35 GMT
#336
On April 07 2013 13:34 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 13:31 Tobblish wrote:
On April 07 2013 13:30 Hrrrrm wrote:
Well at least they explained the issues. Glad they at least did that.


Sorry I'm not on listening on the English stream what did they say?

They just renovated during the time off, so things weren't perfect. PM either of them with things to fix on the English stream etc.

Should someone just link them the reddit thread with all of the complaints?


ah ok.

Yeah they should I got a lot of upvotes on my comment there with a list on problems
The curse is real
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
April 07 2013 04:35 GMT
#337
On April 07 2013 13:34 LighT. wrote:
I wonder where's the crowd from yesterday?
We had like 110 pages for KT/SKT
not even 20 pages thus far :<..

Think about what you just wrote, and you'll find your answer. :D

P.S. It's the teams dawg
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 07 2013 04:35 GMT
#338
On April 07 2013 13:34 figq wrote:
The team decals are on everything - all kinds of buildings and units. You can see the 8th logo on the reapers.

Youre right..I can see it on the eng bays and bunkers..
But they're incredibly hard to see.
on things like factories/barracks they could be better :/
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 07 2013 04:36 GMT
#339
On April 07 2013 13:34 figq wrote:
The team decals are on everything - all kinds of buildings and units. You can see the 8th logo on the reapers.

Finally started to notice it, really nice touch.
The curse is real
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 07 2013 04:36 GMT
#340
Ah the mines! :D
The curse is real
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