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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
April 04 2013 02:50 GMT
#61
On April 04 2013 11:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 11:45 opterown wrote:
On April 04 2013 10:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On April 04 2013 10:32 Rjlraymond wrote:
Don't forget the history, guys MVP>MKP>MMA>MVP

the terran circle of life was actually Mvp > Polt > MMA > Mvp

but Mvp > MKP and MKP > Polt and MKP > MMA


Didn't Polt beat MKP on his way to winning the Super Tournament?

No MKP lost to MMA in the semis after blowing a 2-0 lead
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
April 04 2013 02:51 GMT
#62
On April 04 2013 11:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 11:45 opterown wrote:
On April 04 2013 10:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On April 04 2013 10:32 Rjlraymond wrote:
Don't forget the history, guys MVP>MKP>MMA>MVP

the terran circle of life was actually Mvp > Polt > MMA > Mvp

but Mvp > MKP and MKP > Polt and MKP > MMA


Didn't Polt beat MKP on his way to winning the Super Tournament?

no polt is 3-9 against MKP alltime and MMA is 7-14 against MKP
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Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
April 04 2013 02:54 GMT
#63
The whole MMA > Mvp thing is debatable. Even at MMA's height, they tended to trade some series. Mvp won in MLG Anaheim, MLG Korean Qualifier, MMA won at Blizzard Cup, GeForce, GSL October. Then, much later, Mvp won in GSL Season 4. I always saw MMA - Mvp as a rivalry (with MMA having an advantage), not a rule or a slaughter.

Mvp > MarineKing, however, is a slaughter... You could make a strong case for Mvp > Polt too.
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Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
April 04 2013 02:55 GMT
#64
I would LOVE to see Scarlett take MVP out, but I don't see it happening.

I think the calls of 4-0 are a little silly, but I think a 4-2 is probably more accurate. I don't see Scarlett winning twice even if she can take out MVP simply because of the potential jitters (she's got considerably better nerves than myself, but I can just imagine the stress that that particular game would put on a person) and with the rest of the IM team I can see them winning pretty decisively.

I don't want your guys to win, TB, but I'm certain they have a chance, and for the sake of competition I really hope you get to have your laugh
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
-niL
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1131 Posts
April 04 2013 03:01 GMT
#65
As much as I love Axiom-Acer and MMA, MVP is the captain of my FGSTL so...
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 04 2013 03:09 GMT
#66
On April 04 2013 11:54 Entirety wrote:
The whole MMA > Mvp thing is debatable. Even at MMA's height, they tended to trade some series. Mvp won in MLG Anaheim, MLG Korean Qualifier, MMA won at Blizzard Cup, GeForce, GSL October. Then, much later, Mvp won in GSL Season 4. I always saw MMA - Mvp as a rivalry (with MMA having an advantage), not a rule or a slaughter.

Mvp > MarineKing, however, is a slaughter... You could make a strong case for Mvp > Polt too.


The Mvp vs MMA rivalry was very annoying for Mvp fans because MMA would just cheese him every game. I've never seen more proxy buildings in a best of 5/7 than when those guys played.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
April 04 2013 03:11 GMT
#67
On April 04 2013 11:54 Entirety wrote:
The whole MMA > Mvp thing is debatable. Even at MMA's height, they tended to trade some series. Mvp won in MLG Anaheim, MLG Korean Qualifier, MMA won at Blizzard Cup, GeForce, GSL October. Then, much later, Mvp won in GSL Season 4. I always saw MMA - Mvp as a rivalry (with MMA having an advantage), not a rule or a slaughter.

Mvp > MarineKing, however, is a slaughter... You could make a strong case for Mvp > Polt too.

without last year's GSL results where Mvp won 4-1 it's actually fairly lopsided in MMA's favour, something like 17-10.
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 04 2013 03:11 GMT
#68
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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
April 04 2013 04:02 GMT
#69
Let's go Mvp! Not expecting him to get more than 2 kills at most, but would be nice. That is, of course, assuming he manages to take out Scarlett.

Either way, I can't see LG-IM losing this. At the moment, the only team I feel that can really stand toe to toe with IM is ST. Maybe MVP. But against anyone but those two, LG-IM should be fairly heavy favourites.
Long live the King of Wings
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
April 04 2013 04:10 GMT
#70
Whaaat heart says axiom-acer? T___T but IM!!!
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 04:11:59
April 04 2013 04:11 GMT
#71
On April 04 2013 11:30 Sc2Null wrote:
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On April 04 2013 11:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 04 2013 09:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 04 2013 09:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Scarlett has a lot to prove in a world where you can't just make Infestors and Brood Lords and win.


Quit being a pussy and just say "patchzerg", don't hide your balance whine.


Well firstly Infestor/Brood Lord was imbalanced. Everyone knows and accepts this.

PatchZerg makes it seem like the only reason she won games and was successful was because of that imbalance, which I don't think. I do think though that she did better because of it, just like Leenock, Stephano, Sniper, Life, Roro, Nerchio and basically every Zerg in the world did, who wouldn't do better when they're playing an imbalanced race?



Who is this "everyone". I'm pretty sure EVERYONE knew the way to beat blord/infestor was too just avoid it..kinda like the toss deathball . Dont make sweeping generalizations on what you perceive or assumed everyone perceived to be imbalanced.


BL/Infestor was pretty imbalanced though.

Also hoping for an Mvp all-kill. But realistically, this is winners format and a bo7 so anything can happen. Axiom-Acer winning isn't too crazy.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 04 2013 04:15 GMT
#72
On April 04 2013 11:54 Entirety wrote:
The whole MMA > Mvp thing is debatable. Even at MMA's height, they tended to trade some series. Mvp won in MLG Anaheim, MLG Korean Qualifier, MMA won at Blizzard Cup, GeForce, GSL October. Then, much later, Mvp won in GSL Season 4. I always saw MMA - Mvp as a rivalry (with MMA having an advantage), not a rule or a slaughter.

Mvp > MarineKing, however, is a slaughter... You could make a strong case for Mvp > Polt too.


Back in late 2011, there was not any Terran other than MMA who could consistently beat Mvp. If it were not for MMA, Mvp would have won GSL October, and likely have won Blizzard Cup. That would have meant that out of the final 4 GSL seasons of 2011, Mvp won 3 of them, and won 5 seasons in 2011.

Then we would really have people calling him the bonjwa of SC2.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
kc2siq
Profile Joined April 2012
United States319 Posts
April 04 2013 04:21 GMT
#73
On April 04 2013 11:30 Sc2Null wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 11:18 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 04 2013 09:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 04 2013 09:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Scarlett has a lot to prove in a world where you can't just make Infestors and Brood Lords and win.


Quit being a pussy and just say "patchzerg", don't hide your balance whine.


Well firstly Infestor/Brood Lord was imbalanced. Everyone knows and accepts this.

PatchZerg makes it seem like the only reason she won games and was successful was because of that imbalance, which I don't think. I do think though that she did better because of it, just like Leenock, Stephano, Sniper, Life, Roro, Nerchio and basically every Zerg in the world did, who wouldn't do better when they're playing an imbalanced race?



Who is this "everyone". I'm pretty sure EVERYONE knew the way to beat blord/infestor was too just avoid it..kinda like the toss deathball . Dont make sweeping generalizations on what you perceive or assumed everyone perceived to be imbalanced.


He's talking about balance, not about knowing how to beat it. Beating it (which is what you're talking about) is one thing, beating it in a 50-50 manner is another thing. Even Artosis who was preaching about how awesome the Queen/OL patch was when it hit finally admitted it was imbalance when WOL was over and HOTS was coming out.

That said, if you're going to make a semantic argument about generalizations then you're right. There're always outliers and the like.
Byun, best player in the world!
PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
April 04 2013 04:28 GMT
#74
First match is Scarlett vs MVP. No pressure. O.o
Good luck to her, though.
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
April 04 2013 04:47 GMT
#75
On April 04 2013 13:15 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 11:54 Entirety wrote:
The whole MMA > Mvp thing is debatable. Even at MMA's height, they tended to trade some series. Mvp won in MLG Anaheim, MLG Korean Qualifier, MMA won at Blizzard Cup, GeForce, GSL October. Then, much later, Mvp won in GSL Season 4. I always saw MMA - Mvp as a rivalry (with MMA having an advantage), not a rule or a slaughter.

Mvp > MarineKing, however, is a slaughter... You could make a strong case for Mvp > Polt too.


Back in late 2011, there was not any Terran other than MMA who could consistently beat Mvp. If it were not for MMA, Mvp would have won GSL October, and likely have won Blizzard Cup. That would have meant that out of the final 4 GSL seasons of 2011, Mvp won 3 of them, and won 5 seasons in 2011.

Then we would really have people calling him the bonjwa of SC2.


MMA and Leenock. If it were not for those two players...

MLG Anaheim
GSL August
GSL October
GSL November (c'mon, Mvp would have crushed jjakji)
MLG Providence (Mvp would have crushed NaNiwa)
Blizzard Cup
GeForce
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 04 2013 05:03 GMT
#76
I hope my IM ALL IN team gets me them points
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
April 04 2013 05:03 GMT
#77
IM not messing around :D
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
April 04 2013 05:10 GMT
#78
Damnit, scarlett is on my fantasy team
The only way to attack structure is with chaos.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
April 04 2013 05:19 GMT
#79
On April 04 2013 12:09 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 11:54 Entirety wrote:
The whole MMA > Mvp thing is debatable. Even at MMA's height, they tended to trade some series. Mvp won in MLG Anaheim, MLG Korean Qualifier, MMA won at Blizzard Cup, GeForce, GSL October. Then, much later, Mvp won in GSL Season 4. I always saw MMA - Mvp as a rivalry (with MMA having an advantage), not a rule or a slaughter.

Mvp > MarineKing, however, is a slaughter... You could make a strong case for Mvp > Polt too.


The Mvp vs MMA rivalry was very annoying for Mvp fans because MMA would just cheese him every game. I've never seen more proxy buildings in a best of 5/7 than when those guys played.

what?? hell no man that's the beauty of TvT, it could be super aggressive in early game or hella long and epic game. TvT is where better player wins, no bullshit, especially late game.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 05:30:03
April 04 2013 05:28 GMT
#80
On April 04 2013 13:47 Entirety wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 13:15 Bagration wrote:
On April 04 2013 11:54 Entirety wrote:
The whole MMA > Mvp thing is debatable. Even at MMA's height, they tended to trade some series. Mvp won in MLG Anaheim, MLG Korean Qualifier, MMA won at Blizzard Cup, GeForce, GSL October. Then, much later, Mvp won in GSL Season 4. I always saw MMA - Mvp as a rivalry (with MMA having an advantage), not a rule or a slaughter.

Mvp > MarineKing, however, is a slaughter... You could make a strong case for Mvp > Polt too.


Back in late 2011, there was not any Terran other than MMA who could consistently beat Mvp. If it were not for MMA, Mvp would have won GSL October, and likely have won Blizzard Cup. That would have meant that out of the final 4 GSL seasons of 2011, Mvp won 3 of them, and won 5 seasons in 2011.

Then we would really have people calling him the bonjwa of SC2.


MMA and Leenock. If it were not for those two players...

MLG Anaheim
GSL August
GSL October
GSL November (c'mon, Mvp would have crushed jjakji)
MLG Providence (Mvp would have crushed NaNiwa)
Blizzard Cup
GeForce


Yeah probably, Mvp would have crushed both Jjakji and Naniwa. Blizzard Cup is 50/50 because of DRG. Oh and same with MLG Providence, he would of had to face DRG.
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