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On February 22 2013 21:41 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:39 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:38 Big-t wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:36 Big-t wrote:On February 22 2013 21:35 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:34 Heavenlee wrote:On February 22 2013 21:33 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:32 Big-t wrote:On February 22 2013 21:31 Cokefreak wrote:
Outplayed. Stop it NOW!!!! MC got demolished, no denying that~ Yeah, going 2-3 and having horrible maps is sure being demolished. I'm talking about that last game. Not even the last game Completely. Were we watching different streams? Apparently, MC got scouted and wrecked in the last game. Simply stop to give roro credit for those games!
RorO deserves the credit for advancing.
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On February 22 2013 21:48 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:45 Lightspeaker wrote:On February 22 2013 21:39 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On February 22 2013 21:38 mordk wrote:On February 22 2013 21:36 Elroi wrote:On February 22 2013 21:32 RiZu wrote:
Roro only Kespa hope. yeah really sad to see both soulkey and bogus go out 2-3. it would have been such an upset if roro didn't win this. Too much credit to KeSPA players, they really haven't shown anything truly remarkable. I still don't get how the TL preview calls bogus "the undisputed (or consensus? was the word?) best terran in the world. He really just has beastly macro and decent micro, but hasn't shown anything too awesome. TL writers love KeSPA. They were picking Jaedong pretty much every game despite him losing constantly. Took them a while to wake up to that. Its been going on for a while. Frankly for me the only KeSPA player that deserved his hype was Rain. And he dropped off massively after he made the silly decision to give up his Code S spot. Never quite been the same player since then. Nobody else has looked as impressive. I'm not a Kespa supporter, but you guys have to admit there are 2 Kespa players over 4 players in RO4, so it wasn't really wrong to hype them a bit. Also usually new good players are more hyped than old ones, just because they're new, that's natural (of course I mean new to SC2).
Only one really. And nobody is saying they're bad, the players that got to this stage really deserve it they've played best. But KeSPA fans are suffering a bit from Stephano fanboy syndrome, although it's not as annoying, but it's there.
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On February 22 2013 21:41 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:The 3 zergs first, really? I bet you just enjoy the shitstorms i rather dislike taeja and symbol to be honest. curious i don't have much opinion on, so roro's really the only player left i like lol :O Is it because Taeja all killed Prime once?  there are several players who have all killed prime, i don't dislike them all. i just think taeja was overrated for winning several low-tier premiers (if you sorta get me) and carrying liquid too much, but ofc it's just my opinion
Meh, not liking him is fine but I really don't think you can overrate him, haha. Guy is pretty insane tbh, his hot streak in the summer was amazing, and even after he remains a top (Often -the- top) ELO terran. Not only did he all-kill or multi-kill teams, win 2 premiers and reach some top 4s, but he has also performed so well in GSL throughout 2012 and now in 2013. He doesn't have a outgoing personality though, so I understand people not cheering for him, but overrated? :p Nowai, guy has all the results that matter, both Korean and Foreign.
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On February 22 2013 21:38 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:The 3 zergs first, really? I bet you just enjoy the shitstorms Best result would be Taeja. All the Terrans can have their last victory over Zerg, and ESF can claim WoL as their bitch over KeSPA before HoTS. The best result TeamLiquid community wise.
Should be this.
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opterown
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On February 22 2013 21:50 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:41 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:The 3 zergs first, really? I bet you just enjoy the shitstorms i rather dislike taeja and symbol to be honest. curious i don't have much opinion on, so roro's really the only player left i like lol :O Is it because Taeja all killed Prime once? there are several players who have all killed prime, i don't dislike them all. i just think taeja was overrated for winning several low-tier premiers (if you sorta get me) and carrying liquid too much, but ofc it's just my opinion Meh, not liking him is fine but I really don't think you can overrate him, haha. Guy is pretty insane tbh, his hot streak in the summer was amazing, and even after he remains a top (Often -the- top) ELO terran. Not only did he all-kill or multi-kill teams, win 2 premiers and reach some top 4s, but he has also performed so well in GSL throughout 2012 and now in 2013. He doesn't have a outgoing personality though, so I understand people not cheering for him, but overrated? :p Nowai, guy has all the results that matter, both Korean and Foreign.
nah, i definitely feel he was overrated. he's never quite peaked as high as, say, life, leenock, mvp, etc. his hot streak was a few low-tier premiers and IPLTAC, the majority of which was played online. he's very good and was the best player during his hot streak, but i don't think he was the second coming of flash, and that his hot streak was no more remarkable than, say, life's, parting's, mkp's, or mma's, etc
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Rooting for Curious the most now.
Kid was so unlucky and even got named the `Code S reader` and people made fun of him all the time for never making it out of group stages.
Hes a Code S regular since quite some time now, if anybody deserves it than him
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On February 22 2013 21:42 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:40 samurai80 wrote:On February 22 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 22 2013 21:35 Inzan1ty wrote:
No freaking way TaeJa beats RorO`s best matchup, being over 70%
This is so ZvZ finals. with Curious probably taking it Taeja is at 68% though, with a higher sampling :O sides if MKP can do it so can Taeja. Also Roro has that winrate mostly vs Kespa terrans I think? Not hating on kespa terrans or anything but they're not Taeja. Roro is a beast everywhere. I think ZvP is actually his weak m-u. And I also think he's the best in ZvZ in RO4. No. Curious' ZvZ is literally god-tier. If Roro beats TaeJa, Curious will roll him. Roro has good ZvZ for sure, but nothing compared to Curious. Just check the TLPD. :p
Well, you may be right. I remembered some ZvZ I saw from Roro where he was really awesome, but sure Curious also is, and apparently he has better stats vs better players than Roro. So yeah. But I still think this should be close if they face each other.
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On February 22 2013 21:50 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:41 Big-t wrote:On February 22 2013 21:39 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:38 Big-t wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:36 Big-t wrote:On February 22 2013 21:35 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:34 Heavenlee wrote:On February 22 2013 21:33 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:32 Big-t wrote:
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Stop it NOW!!!! MC got demolished, no denying that~ Yeah, going 2-3 and having horrible maps is sure being demolished. I'm talking about that last game. Not even the last game Completely. Were we watching different streams? Apparently, MC got scouted and wrecked in the last game. Simply stop to give roro credit for those games! RorO deserves the credit for advancing.
Roro just lucked out. MC is the greater player.
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On February 22 2013 21:54 derpface wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:50 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:41 Big-t wrote:On February 22 2013 21:39 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:38 Big-t wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:36 Big-t wrote:On February 22 2013 21:35 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:34 Heavenlee wrote:On February 22 2013 21:33 Cokefreak wrote:
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MC got demolished, no denying that~ Yeah, going 2-3 and having horrible maps is sure being demolished. I'm talking about that last game. Not even the last game Completely. Were we watching different streams? Apparently, MC got scouted and wrecked in the last game. Simply stop to give roro credit for those games! RorO deserves the credit for advancing. Roro just lucked out. MC is the greater player.
RorO didn't "luck out", MC messed up the final game. "Greater player" is subjective, anyway. More accomplished, sure. Better right now? Who knows.
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On February 22 2013 21:54 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:42 Kasaraki wrote:On February 22 2013 21:40 samurai80 wrote:On February 22 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 22 2013 21:35 Inzan1ty wrote:
No freaking way TaeJa beats RorO`s best matchup, being over 70%
This is so ZvZ finals. with Curious probably taking it Taeja is at 68% though, with a higher sampling :O sides if MKP can do it so can Taeja. Also Roro has that winrate mostly vs Kespa terrans I think? Not hating on kespa terrans or anything but they're not Taeja. Roro is a beast everywhere. I think ZvP is actually his weak m-u. And I also think he's the best in ZvZ in RO4. No. Curious' ZvZ is literally god-tier. If Roro beats TaeJa, Curious will roll him. Roro has good ZvZ for sure, but nothing compared to Curious. Just check the TLPD. :p Well, you may be right. I remembered some ZvZ I saw from Roro where he was really awesome, but sure Curious also is, and apparently he has better stats vs better players than Roro. So yeah. But I still think this should be close if they face each other.
Yeah, it would definitely be a good ZvZ either way, I would actually like to see it... Curious could choke too, which he has a tendency to do. :p But yeah, I remember Roro beating DRG by just plain engaging better every single time in roach vs roach midgame, and he always impresses me everytime I see him play.
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On February 22 2013 21:50 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:41 Big-t wrote:On February 22 2013 21:39 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:38 Big-t wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:36 Big-t wrote:On February 22 2013 21:35 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:34 Heavenlee wrote:On February 22 2013 21:33 Cokefreak wrote:On February 22 2013 21:32 Big-t wrote:
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Stop it NOW!!!! MC got demolished, no denying that~ Yeah, going 2-3 and having horrible maps is sure being demolished. I'm talking about that last game. Not even the last game Completely. Were we watching different streams? Apparently, MC got scouted and wrecked in the last game. Simply stop to give roro credit for those games! RorO deserves the credit for advancing.
I think u guys should stop this totally useless conversation...
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On February 22 2013 21:53 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:50 Kasaraki wrote:On February 22 2013 21:41 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:The 3 zergs first, really? I bet you just enjoy the shitstorms i rather dislike taeja and symbol to be honest. curious i don't have much opinion on, so roro's really the only player left i like lol :O Is it because Taeja all killed Prime once? there are several players who have all killed prime, i don't dislike them all. i just think taeja was overrated for winning several low-tier premiers (if you sorta get me) and carrying liquid too much, but ofc it's just my opinion Meh, not liking him is fine but I really don't think you can overrate him, haha. Guy is pretty insane tbh, his hot streak in the summer was amazing, and even after he remains a top (Often -the- top) ELO terran. Not only did he all-kill or multi-kill teams, win 2 premiers and reach some top 4s, but he has also performed so well in GSL throughout 2012 and now in 2013. He doesn't have a outgoing personality though, so I understand people not cheering for him, but overrated? :p Nowai, guy has all the results that matter, both Korean and Foreign. nah, i definitely feel he was overrated. he's never quite peaked as high as, say, life, leenock, mvp, etc. his hot streak was a few low-tier premiers and IPLTAC, the majority of which was played online. he's very good and was the best player during his hot streak, but i don't think he was the second coming of flash, and that his hot streak was no more remarkable than, say, life's, parting's, mkp's, or mma's, etc
Yeah, but still, I must say for WoL overall Taeja should go down as a top 5 terran even though he's not yet a gsl champ. I might even consider putting him over Polt for 4th place.
A better debate is who deserves to be #2 terran MKP or MMA, that one is hard for me D;
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Finally first ban of the day, and possibly the last one. We had 5 bans in LR yesterday, so it's been very calm today.
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Since RorO has killed Mvp, Life and MC so far he looks like Sniper2 the killer of fan favorites.
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On February 22 2013 21:58 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:53 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:50 Kasaraki wrote:On February 22 2013 21:41 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:The 3 zergs first, really? I bet you just enjoy the shitstorms i rather dislike taeja and symbol to be honest. curious i don't have much opinion on, so roro's really the only player left i like lol :O Is it because Taeja all killed Prime once? there are several players who have all killed prime, i don't dislike them all. i just think taeja was overrated for winning several low-tier premiers (if you sorta get me) and carrying liquid too much, but ofc it's just my opinion Meh, not liking him is fine but I really don't think you can overrate him, haha. Guy is pretty insane tbh, his hot streak in the summer was amazing, and even after he remains a top (Often -the- top) ELO terran. Not only did he all-kill or multi-kill teams, win 2 premiers and reach some top 4s, but he has also performed so well in GSL throughout 2012 and now in 2013. He doesn't have a outgoing personality though, so I understand people not cheering for him, but overrated? :p Nowai, guy has all the results that matter, both Korean and Foreign. nah, i definitely feel he was overrated. he's never quite peaked as high as, say, life, leenock, mvp, etc. his hot streak was a few low-tier premiers and IPLTAC, the majority of which was played online. he's very good and was the best player during his hot streak, but i don't think he was the second coming of flash, and that his hot streak was no more remarkable than, say, life's, parting's, mkp's, or mma's, etc Yeah, but still, I must say for WoL overall Taeja should go down as a top 5 terran even though he's not yet a gsl champ. I might even consider putting him over Polt for 4th place. A better debate is who deserves to be #2 terran MKP or MMA, that one is hard for me D;
i would probably say MMA *shrug :p and this is me being one of the biggest MKP fans around haha.
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On February 22 2013 21:46 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:45 Lightspeaker wrote:On February 22 2013 21:39 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On February 22 2013 21:38 mordk wrote:On February 22 2013 21:36 Elroi wrote:On February 22 2013 21:32 RiZu wrote:
Roro only Kespa hope. yeah really sad to see both soulkey and bogus go out 2-3. it would have been such an upset if roro didn't win this. Too much credit to KeSPA players, they really haven't shown anything truly remarkable. I still don't get how the TL preview calls bogus "the undisputed (or consensus? was the word?) best terran in the world. He really just has beastly macro and decent micro, but hasn't shown anything too awesome. TL writers love KeSPA. They were picking Jaedong pretty much every game despite him losing constantly. Took them a while to wake up to that. Its been going on for a while. Frankly for me the only KeSPA player that deserved his hype was Rain. And he dropped off massively after he made the silly decision to give up his Code S spot. Never quite been the same player since then. Nobody else has looked as impressive. I agree with that, no other kespa player has looked as good as Rain did.
He's looking really good again recently.
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On February 22 2013 21:58 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:53 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:50 Kasaraki wrote:On February 22 2013 21:41 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:The 3 zergs first, really? I bet you just enjoy the shitstorms i rather dislike taeja and symbol to be honest. curious i don't have much opinion on, so roro's really the only player left i like lol :O Is it because Taeja all killed Prime once? there are several players who have all killed prime, i don't dislike them all. i just think taeja was overrated for winning several low-tier premiers (if you sorta get me) and carrying liquid too much, but ofc it's just my opinion Meh, not liking him is fine but I really don't think you can overrate him, haha. Guy is pretty insane tbh, his hot streak in the summer was amazing, and even after he remains a top (Often -the- top) ELO terran. Not only did he all-kill or multi-kill teams, win 2 premiers and reach some top 4s, but he has also performed so well in GSL throughout 2012 and now in 2013. He doesn't have a outgoing personality though, so I understand people not cheering for him, but overrated? :p Nowai, guy has all the results that matter, both Korean and Foreign. nah, i definitely feel he was overrated. he's never quite peaked as high as, say, life, leenock, mvp, etc. his hot streak was a few low-tier premiers and IPLTAC, the majority of which was played online. he's very good and was the best player during his hot streak, but i don't think he was the second coming of flash, and that his hot streak was no more remarkable than, say, life's, parting's, mkp's, or mma's, etc Yeah, but still, I must say for WoL overall Taeja should go down as a top 5 terran even though he's not yet a gsl champ. I might even consider putting him over Polt for 4th place. A better debate is who deserves to be #2 terran MKP or MMA, that one is hard for me D;
I'll fix that problem with Bomber. <3
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It's probably going to be a ZvZ finals at this rate. Oh well, next season will most likely have only a few zergs advancing through the round of 32 at least.
It's going to become a battle between Protoss 1 base void ray / oracle all-ins and Terran 1 base hellbat / mine drops.
And I'm going to love every second of it.
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On February 22 2013 21:59 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 21:58 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 22 2013 21:53 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:50 Kasaraki wrote:On February 22 2013 21:41 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 opterown wrote:On February 22 2013 21:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:The 3 zergs first, really? I bet you just enjoy the shitstorms i rather dislike taeja and symbol to be honest. curious i don't have much opinion on, so roro's really the only player left i like lol :O Is it because Taeja all killed Prime once? there are several players who have all killed prime, i don't dislike them all. i just think taeja was overrated for winning several low-tier premiers (if you sorta get me) and carrying liquid too much, but ofc it's just my opinion Meh, not liking him is fine but I really don't think you can overrate him, haha. Guy is pretty insane tbh, his hot streak in the summer was amazing, and even after he remains a top (Often -the- top) ELO terran. Not only did he all-kill or multi-kill teams, win 2 premiers and reach some top 4s, but he has also performed so well in GSL throughout 2012 and now in 2013. He doesn't have a outgoing personality though, so I understand people not cheering for him, but overrated? :p Nowai, guy has all the results that matter, both Korean and Foreign. nah, i definitely feel he was overrated. he's never quite peaked as high as, say, life, leenock, mvp, etc. his hot streak was a few low-tier premiers and IPLTAC, the majority of which was played online. he's very good and was the best player during his hot streak, but i don't think he was the second coming of flash, and that his hot streak was no more remarkable than, say, life's, parting's, mkp's, or mma's, etc Yeah, but still, I must say for WoL overall Taeja should go down as a top 5 terran even though he's not yet a gsl champ. I might even consider putting him over Polt for 4th place. A better debate is who deserves to be #2 terran MKP or MMA, that one is hard for me D; i would probably say MMA *shrug :p and this is me being one of the biggest MKP fans around haha.
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Not sure about that actually. Taeja never really fell off. For most of his career in WoL, he was one of the best. Same for MKP. MMA nowadays.... :/
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