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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 07 2013 10:02 GMT
#581
GSL S1 2013 Code S Ro16 Group A
TaeJa vs INnoVation
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February 07 2013 10:02 GMT
#582
Taaa-aaajaaaah! Taaja-aah!

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AlternativeEgo
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Sweden17309 Posts
February 07 2013 10:02 GMT
#583
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Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
February 07 2013 10:02 GMT
#584
On February 07 2013 19:01 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 18:59 bo1b wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:57 vthree wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:55 mprs wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:51 Sammo wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:49 SoFrOsTy wrote:
A terran is not going to beat DRG before HOTS. IT just is not going to happen. I would be shocked if anyone in this group beats DRG.


Exactly. I just don't see a Terran beating Life, DRG or the other top Zergs in GSL in a Bo3 right now. Lets wait for Hots


I feel like a lot of it is because a player like DRG was competitive ZvT when Zerg was heavily undermatched. So with slight buffs to zerg, he was just exponentially better. DRG and Life are in a group of their own. No Terran can beat THEM, but plenty of Terrans have and will beat other top GSL Zergs. (Bomber 2-0'd Sniper to get here, for instance).

This is just player imbalance. DRG's ZvT just can't be matched.


But that was the same thing for ZvT in early 2012(MMA, Mvp, MKP were doing well but DRG, Leenock, Symbol were beating all the other terrans). Yet, Blizzard buffed queens and OL speed.

Because pre queen buff it was like 45% ZvT, and a small buff to early game defense was needed lol. They completely missed the mark though :\

Except that's wrong, in both March and April 2012 Zerg was getting the better of Terran in the matchup.


It was like 50/50 or 49/51 for one of them, ethier way it was very close and very entertaining. Took alot of skill from both sides to be able to win and thus very entertaining.
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
February 07 2013 10:02 GMT
#585
korean standard haircut = best haircut
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 07 2013 10:02 GMT
#586
On February 07 2013 19:01 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 18:59 bo1b wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:57 vthree wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:55 mprs wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:51 Sammo wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:49 SoFrOsTy wrote:
A terran is not going to beat DRG before HOTS. IT just is not going to happen. I would be shocked if anyone in this group beats DRG.


Exactly. I just don't see a Terran beating Life, DRG or the other top Zergs in GSL in a Bo3 right now. Lets wait for Hots


I feel like a lot of it is because a player like DRG was competitive ZvT when Zerg was heavily undermatched. So with slight buffs to zerg, he was just exponentially better. DRG and Life are in a group of their own. No Terran can beat THEM, but plenty of Terrans have and will beat other top GSL Zergs. (Bomber 2-0'd Sniper to get here, for instance).

This is just player imbalance. DRG's ZvT just can't be matched.


But that was the same thing for ZvT in early 2012(MMA, Mvp, MKP were doing well but DRG, Leenock, Symbol were beating all the other terrans). Yet, Blizzard buffed queens and OL speed.

Because pre queen buff it was like 45% ZvT, and a small buff to early game defense was needed lol. They completely missed the mark though :\

Except that's wrong, in both March and April 2012 Zerg was getting the better of Terran in the matchup.

http://www.starcrafttrends.com/ Check out the korean vs korean graph.
THELEHGOTERRAN
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1837 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 10:03:47
February 07 2013 10:03 GMT
#587
On February 07 2013 18:59 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 18:57 vthree wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:55 mprs wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:51 Sammo wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:49 SoFrOsTy wrote:
A terran is not going to beat DRG before HOTS. IT just is not going to happen. I would be shocked if anyone in this group beats DRG.


Exactly. I just don't see a Terran beating Life, DRG or the other top Zergs in GSL in a Bo3 right now. Lets wait for Hots


I feel like a lot of it is because a player like DRG was competitive ZvT when Zerg was heavily undermatched. So with slight buffs to zerg, he was just exponentially better. DRG and Life are in a group of their own. No Terran can beat THEM, but plenty of Terrans have and will beat other top GSL Zergs. (Bomber 2-0'd Sniper to get here, for instance).

This is just player imbalance. DRG's ZvT just can't be matched.


But that was the same thing for ZvT in early 2012(MMA, Mvp, MKP were doing well but DRG, Leenock, Symbol were beating all the other terrans). Yet, Blizzard buffed queens and OL speed.

Because pre queen buff it was like 45% ZvT, and a small buff to early game defense was needed lol. They completely missed the mark though :\


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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
February 07 2013 10:03 GMT
#588
On February 07 2013 19:02 Fionn wrote:
Oh.

Well, then it is right.

GOMTV tricked me.


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mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
February 07 2013 10:03 GMT
#589
On February 07 2013 19:00 sitromit wrote:
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On February 07 2013 18:52 Fjodorov wrote:
Tacticly DRG is very smart but its hard to be impressed by 50 banelings a-moving and crushing an army. 4 of the best players in the world and DRG is expected to get out of this group easy. That says alot.


DRG: GSL Champion, GSL Finalist, OSL Finalist, MLG Arena Champion and 2nd place, MLG Champion and 2nd place, among various other small tournament wins. I'm not even going to mention Dreamhack or IEM because they're foreigner heavy tournaments with 3-4 Koreans sprinkled in.

Taeja: MLG Arena Champion

Bomber: MLG Champion

Bogus:...

Yeah, it's shocking and a testament to imbalance, that DRG is favored in this group.



Especially considering that DRG won most of his shit when Zerg was favored against, and Terrans had the upper hand in the match-up. You can talk about imbalance and such, but DRG is just just better than these players. That's what it comes down to.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
February 07 2013 10:03 GMT
#590
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JunkkaGom
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)855 Posts
February 07 2013 10:03 GMT
#591
On February 07 2013 19:01 Fionn wrote:
GSL stat is wrong. He does not have a 100% advance rate.

He lost to DRG/Polt in Code S last year of the Ro32.


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Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
February 07 2013 10:03 GMT
#592
On February 07 2013 19:02 JOJOsc2news wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 18:59 Cokefreak wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:59 JOJOsc2news wrote:
Fionn so sexy now with a blue name. Dayyuumm...

Creepy.


Not creepy. It looks epic with the writer icon imo. Anyway -> go Taeja!!!

Still creepy.
LawnMower
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden557 Posts
February 07 2013 10:03 GMT
#593
On February 07 2013 19:00 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 18:52 Fjodorov wrote:
Tacticly DRG is very smart but its hard to be impressed by 50 banelings a-moving and crushing an army. 4 of the best players in the world and DRG is expected to get out of this group easy. That says alot.


DRG: GSL Champion, GSL Finalist, OSL Finalist, MLG Arena Champion and 2nd place, MLG Champion and 2nd place, among various other small tournament wins. I'm not even going to mention Dreamhack or IEM because they're foreigner heavy tournaments with 3-4 Koreans sprinkled in.

Taeja: MLG Arena Champion

Bomber: MLG Champion

Bogus:...

Yeah, it's shocking and a testament to imbalance, that DRG is favored in this group.



Worth noting is that DRG has been looking really solid lately and ZvT is a good matchup for him. Otherwise one might argue that Nestea and MVP are the favourites in every group...

But yeah DRG should get out of this group easily, anything else would be truly chocking.
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 07 2013 10:03 GMT
#594
On February 07 2013 18:58 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 18:57 vthree wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:55 mprs wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:51 Sammo wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:49 SoFrOsTy wrote:
A terran is not going to beat DRG before HOTS. IT just is not going to happen. I would be shocked if anyone in this group beats DRG.


Exactly. I just don't see a Terran beating Life, DRG or the other top Zergs in GSL in a Bo3 right now. Lets wait for Hots


I feel like a lot of it is because a player like DRG was competitive ZvT when Zerg was heavily undermatched. So with slight buffs to zerg, he was just exponentially better. DRG and Life are in a group of their own. No Terran can beat THEM, but plenty of Terrans have and will beat other top GSL Zergs. (Bomber 2-0'd Sniper to get here, for instance).

This is just player imbalance. DRG's ZvT just can't be matched.


But that was the same thing for ZvT in early 2012(MMA, Mvp, MKP were doing well but DRG, Leenock, Symbol were beating all the other terrans). Yet, Blizzard buffed queens and OL speed.

Did Blizzard ever explain the rationale for the buffs? I've gone back and checked Korean and international stats for 2012 leading up to may and the numbers showed really good balance in TvZ.


Yes, because terrans were doing a lot of damage in the mid and early game via hellions, marine/marine tank pushes. Hellions were also too good at denying creep. So they decided to take away ALL these options at once. This allowed zergs to be as greedy as possible without real ways to punish.

So terrans had to play greedy, but would still be slightly behind in macro v macro game. Or zergs just went aggressive and kill them. Or terrans had to all-in (2 rax, 6 rax, BF) and hope they aren't scouted.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 07 2013 10:03 GMT
#595
On February 07 2013 19:01 the_business_og wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 18:58 Douillos wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:55 the_business_og wrote:
there is no good terran out there right now.mvp and taejas wrists have broken down under the stress of playing a winning pro terran. I really respect them though, they won when no others could



There are loads of good terrans. It's just we haven't figured out how to play vs Z nowadays. Passive doesnt work, agressive can work but hard to pull off and Z must make a mistake, mech doesnt work anymore, bio mech is trashed by any combination, bio works before infestors are out...

Give me a break, Ryung? Bogus? Byun? even bomber? They are monsters.... But Z is SO FUCKIN powerful!

I consider a good terran as someone who wins the major tournaments. None of those guys have


Who is a good Terran, then? Because Terran tournament wins have been scarce lately, and tournaments from mid-2012 don't really mean (Hi MKP
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Micromnky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States262 Posts
February 07 2013 10:03 GMT
#596
On February 07 2013 19:03 JunkkaGom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 19:01 Fionn wrote:
GSL stat is wrong. He does not have a 100% advance rate.

He lost to DRG/Polt in Code S last year of the Ro32.


we are NEVER wrong.


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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 07 2013 10:04 GMT
#597
On February 07 2013 19:00 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 18:52 Fjodorov wrote:
Tacticly DRG is very smart but its hard to be impressed by 50 banelings a-moving and crushing an army. 4 of the best players in the world and DRG is expected to get out of this group easy. That says alot.


DRG: GSL Champion, GSL Finalist, OSL Finalist, MLG Arena Champion and 2nd place, MLG Champion and 2nd place, among various other small tournament wins. I'm not even going to mention Dreamhack or IEM because they're foreigner heavy tournaments with 3-4 Koreans sprinkled in.

Taeja: MLG Arena Champion

Bomber: MLG Champion

Bogus:...

Yeah, it's shocking and a testament to imbalance, that DRG is favored in this group.


you've left out a lot lol
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
February 07 2013 10:04 GMT
#598
On February 07 2013 19:02 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 19:01 forsooth wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:59 bo1b wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:57 vthree wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:55 mprs wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:51 Sammo wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:49 SoFrOsTy wrote:
A terran is not going to beat DRG before HOTS. IT just is not going to happen. I would be shocked if anyone in this group beats DRG.


Exactly. I just don't see a Terran beating Life, DRG or the other top Zergs in GSL in a Bo3 right now. Lets wait for Hots


I feel like a lot of it is because a player like DRG was competitive ZvT when Zerg was heavily undermatched. So with slight buffs to zerg, he was just exponentially better. DRG and Life are in a group of their own. No Terran can beat THEM, but plenty of Terrans have and will beat other top GSL Zergs. (Bomber 2-0'd Sniper to get here, for instance).

This is just player imbalance. DRG's ZvT just can't be matched.


But that was the same thing for ZvT in early 2012(MMA, Mvp, MKP were doing well but DRG, Leenock, Symbol were beating all the other terrans). Yet, Blizzard buffed queens and OL speed.

Because pre queen buff it was like 45% ZvT, and a small buff to early game defense was needed lol. They completely missed the mark though :\

Except that's wrong, in both March and April 2012 Zerg was getting the better of Terran in the matchup.

http://www.starcrafttrends.com/ Check out the korean vs korean graph.

My god, that font.
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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
February 07 2013 10:04 GMT
#599
On February 07 2013 19:03 Cokefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 19:02 JOJOsc2news wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:59 Cokefreak wrote:
On February 07 2013 18:59 JOJOsc2news wrote:
Fionn so sexy now with a blue name. Dayyuumm...

Creepy.


Not creepy. It looks epic with the writer icon imo. Anyway -> go Taeja!!!

Still creepy.


Go away Cokefreak.
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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
February 07 2013 10:04 GMT
#600
"He's one of the new best terrans", this sentence perfectly sums up how stupid they both sound when hyping a player, even when they are right.
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