GSL S1 2013 Code S Ro16 Group A
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Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:01 forsooth wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 18:59 bo1b wrote: On February 07 2013 18:57 vthree wrote: On February 07 2013 18:55 mprs wrote: On February 07 2013 18:51 Sammo wrote: On February 07 2013 18:49 SoFrOsTy wrote: A terran is not going to beat DRG before HOTS. IT just is not going to happen. I would be shocked if anyone in this group beats DRG. Exactly. I just don't see a Terran beating Life, DRG or the other top Zergs in GSL in a Bo3 right now. Lets wait for Hots I feel like a lot of it is because a player like DRG was competitive ZvT when Zerg was heavily undermatched. So with slight buffs to zerg, he was just exponentially better. DRG and Life are in a group of their own. No Terran can beat THEM, but plenty of Terrans have and will beat other top GSL Zergs. (Bomber 2-0'd Sniper to get here, for instance). This is just player imbalance. DRG's ZvT just can't be matched. But that was the same thing for ZvT in early 2012(MMA, Mvp, MKP were doing well but DRG, Leenock, Symbol were beating all the other terrans). Yet, Blizzard buffed queens and OL speed. Because pre queen buff it was like 45% ZvT, and a small buff to early game defense was needed lol. They completely missed the mark though :\ Except that's wrong, in both March and April 2012 Zerg was getting the better of Terran in the matchup. It was like 50/50 or 49/51 for one of them, ethier way it was very close and very entertaining. Took alot of skill from both sides to be able to win and thus very entertaining. | ||
n0ise
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:01 forsooth wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 18:59 bo1b wrote: On February 07 2013 18:57 vthree wrote: On February 07 2013 18:55 mprs wrote: On February 07 2013 18:51 Sammo wrote: On February 07 2013 18:49 SoFrOsTy wrote: A terran is not going to beat DRG before HOTS. IT just is not going to happen. I would be shocked if anyone in this group beats DRG. Exactly. I just don't see a Terran beating Life, DRG or the other top Zergs in GSL in a Bo3 right now. Lets wait for Hots I feel like a lot of it is because a player like DRG was competitive ZvT when Zerg was heavily undermatched. So with slight buffs to zerg, he was just exponentially better. DRG and Life are in a group of their own. No Terran can beat THEM, but plenty of Terrans have and will beat other top GSL Zergs. (Bomber 2-0'd Sniper to get here, for instance). This is just player imbalance. DRG's ZvT just can't be matched. But that was the same thing for ZvT in early 2012(MMA, Mvp, MKP were doing well but DRG, Leenock, Symbol were beating all the other terrans). Yet, Blizzard buffed queens and OL speed. Because pre queen buff it was like 45% ZvT, and a small buff to early game defense was needed lol. They completely missed the mark though :\ Except that's wrong, in both March and April 2012 Zerg was getting the better of Terran in the matchup. http://www.starcrafttrends.com/ Check out the korean vs korean graph. | ||
THELEHGOTERRAN
United States1837 Posts
On February 07 2013 18:59 bo1b wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 18:57 vthree wrote: On February 07 2013 18:55 mprs wrote: On February 07 2013 18:51 Sammo wrote: On February 07 2013 18:49 SoFrOsTy wrote: A terran is not going to beat DRG before HOTS. IT just is not going to happen. I would be shocked if anyone in this group beats DRG. Exactly. I just don't see a Terran beating Life, DRG or the other top Zergs in GSL in a Bo3 right now. Lets wait for Hots I feel like a lot of it is because a player like DRG was competitive ZvT when Zerg was heavily undermatched. So with slight buffs to zerg, he was just exponentially better. DRG and Life are in a group of their own. No Terran can beat THEM, but plenty of Terrans have and will beat other top GSL Zergs. (Bomber 2-0'd Sniper to get here, for instance). This is just player imbalance. DRG's ZvT just can't be matched. But that was the same thing for ZvT in early 2012(MMA, Mvp, MKP were doing well but DRG, Leenock, Symbol were beating all the other terrans). Yet, Blizzard buffed queens and OL speed. Because pre queen buff it was like 45% ZvT, and a small buff to early game defense was needed lol. They completely missed the mark though :\ meh | ||
mierin
United States4943 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:02 Fionn wrote: Oh. Well, then it is right. GOMTV tricked me. ![]() | ||
mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:00 sitromit wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 18:52 Fjodorov wrote: Tacticly DRG is very smart but its hard to be impressed by 50 banelings a-moving and crushing an army. 4 of the best players in the world and DRG is expected to get out of this group easy. That says alot. DRG: GSL Champion, GSL Finalist, OSL Finalist, MLG Arena Champion and 2nd place, MLG Champion and 2nd place, among various other small tournament wins. I'm not even going to mention Dreamhack or IEM because they're foreigner heavy tournaments with 3-4 Koreans sprinkled in. Taeja: MLG Arena Champion Bomber: MLG Champion Bogus:... Yeah, it's shocking and a testament to imbalance, that DRG is favored in this group. Especially considering that DRG won most of his shit when Zerg was favored against, and Terrans had the upper hand in the match-up. You can talk about imbalance and such, but DRG is just just better than these players. That's what it comes down to. | ||
bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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JunkkaGom
Korea (South)855 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:01 Fionn wrote: GSL stat is wrong. He does not have a 100% advance rate. He lost to DRG/Polt in Code S last year of the Ro32. we are NEVER wrong. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8094 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:02 JOJOsc2news wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 18:59 Cokefreak wrote: On February 07 2013 18:59 JOJOsc2news wrote: Fionn so sexy now with a blue name. Dayyuumm... Creepy. Not creepy. It looks epic with the writer icon imo. Anyway -> go Taeja!!! Still creepy. | ||
LawnMower
Sweden557 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:00 sitromit wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 18:52 Fjodorov wrote: Tacticly DRG is very smart but its hard to be impressed by 50 banelings a-moving and crushing an army. 4 of the best players in the world and DRG is expected to get out of this group easy. That says alot. DRG: GSL Champion, GSL Finalist, OSL Finalist, MLG Arena Champion and 2nd place, MLG Champion and 2nd place, among various other small tournament wins. I'm not even going to mention Dreamhack or IEM because they're foreigner heavy tournaments with 3-4 Koreans sprinkled in. Taeja: MLG Arena Champion Bomber: MLG Champion Bogus:... Yeah, it's shocking and a testament to imbalance, that DRG is favored in this group. Worth noting is that DRG has been looking really solid lately and ZvT is a good matchup for him. Otherwise one might argue that Nestea and MVP are the favourites in every group... But yeah DRG should get out of this group easily, anything else would be truly chocking. | ||
vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On February 07 2013 18:58 forsooth wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 18:57 vthree wrote: On February 07 2013 18:55 mprs wrote: On February 07 2013 18:51 Sammo wrote: On February 07 2013 18:49 SoFrOsTy wrote: A terran is not going to beat DRG before HOTS. IT just is not going to happen. I would be shocked if anyone in this group beats DRG. Exactly. I just don't see a Terran beating Life, DRG or the other top Zergs in GSL in a Bo3 right now. Lets wait for Hots I feel like a lot of it is because a player like DRG was competitive ZvT when Zerg was heavily undermatched. So with slight buffs to zerg, he was just exponentially better. DRG and Life are in a group of their own. No Terran can beat THEM, but plenty of Terrans have and will beat other top GSL Zergs. (Bomber 2-0'd Sniper to get here, for instance). This is just player imbalance. DRG's ZvT just can't be matched. But that was the same thing for ZvT in early 2012(MMA, Mvp, MKP were doing well but DRG, Leenock, Symbol were beating all the other terrans). Yet, Blizzard buffed queens and OL speed. Did Blizzard ever explain the rationale for the buffs? I've gone back and checked Korean and international stats for 2012 leading up to may and the numbers showed really good balance in TvZ. Yes, because terrans were doing a lot of damage in the mid and early game via hellions, marine/marine tank pushes. Hellions were also too good at denying creep. So they decided to take away ALL these options at once. This allowed zergs to be as greedy as possible without real ways to punish. So terrans had to play greedy, but would still be slightly behind in macro v macro game. Or zergs just went aggressive and kill them. Or terrans had to all-in (2 rax, 6 rax, BF) and hope they aren't scouted. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:01 the_business_og wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 18:58 Douillos wrote: On February 07 2013 18:55 the_business_og wrote: there is no good terran out there right now.mvp and taejas wrists have broken down under the stress of playing a winning pro terran. I really respect them though, they won when no others could There are loads of good terrans. It's just we haven't figured out how to play vs Z nowadays. Passive doesnt work, agressive can work but hard to pull off and Z must make a mistake, mech doesnt work anymore, bio mech is trashed by any combination, bio works before infestors are out... Give me a break, Ryung? Bogus? Byun? even bomber? They are monsters.... But Z is SO FUCKIN powerful! I consider a good terran as someone who wins the major tournaments. None of those guys have Who is a good Terran, then? Because Terran tournament wins have been scarce lately, and tournaments from mid-2012 don't really mean (Hi MKP 3) that said Terran is still good. | ||
Micromnky
United States262 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:03 JunkkaGom wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 19:01 Fionn wrote: GSL stat is wrong. He does not have a 100% advance rate. He lost to DRG/Polt in Code S last year of the Ro32. we are NEVER wrong. Bahahaha, John layin the fact-smack-down | ||
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Australia54784 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:00 sitromit wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 18:52 Fjodorov wrote: Tacticly DRG is very smart but its hard to be impressed by 50 banelings a-moving and crushing an army. 4 of the best players in the world and DRG is expected to get out of this group easy. That says alot. DRG: GSL Champion, GSL Finalist, OSL Finalist, MLG Arena Champion and 2nd place, MLG Champion and 2nd place, among various other small tournament wins. I'm not even going to mention Dreamhack or IEM because they're foreigner heavy tournaments with 3-4 Koreans sprinkled in. Taeja: MLG Arena Champion Bomber: MLG Champion Bogus:... Yeah, it's shocking and a testament to imbalance, that DRG is favored in this group. you've left out a lot lol | ||
TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:02 bo1b wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 19:01 forsooth wrote: On February 07 2013 18:59 bo1b wrote: On February 07 2013 18:57 vthree wrote: On February 07 2013 18:55 mprs wrote: On February 07 2013 18:51 Sammo wrote: On February 07 2013 18:49 SoFrOsTy wrote: A terran is not going to beat DRG before HOTS. IT just is not going to happen. I would be shocked if anyone in this group beats DRG. Exactly. I just don't see a Terran beating Life, DRG or the other top Zergs in GSL in a Bo3 right now. Lets wait for Hots I feel like a lot of it is because a player like DRG was competitive ZvT when Zerg was heavily undermatched. So with slight buffs to zerg, he was just exponentially better. DRG and Life are in a group of their own. No Terran can beat THEM, but plenty of Terrans have and will beat other top GSL Zergs. (Bomber 2-0'd Sniper to get here, for instance). This is just player imbalance. DRG's ZvT just can't be matched. But that was the same thing for ZvT in early 2012(MMA, Mvp, MKP were doing well but DRG, Leenock, Symbol were beating all the other terrans). Yet, Blizzard buffed queens and OL speed. Because pre queen buff it was like 45% ZvT, and a small buff to early game defense was needed lol. They completely missed the mark though :\ Except that's wrong, in both March and April 2012 Zerg was getting the better of Terran in the matchup. http://www.starcrafttrends.com/ Check out the korean vs korean graph. My god, that font. | ||
JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
On February 07 2013 19:03 Cokefreak wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 19:02 JOJOsc2news wrote: On February 07 2013 18:59 Cokefreak wrote: On February 07 2013 18:59 JOJOsc2news wrote: Fionn so sexy now with a blue name. Dayyuumm... Creepy. Not creepy. It looks epic with the writer icon imo. Anyway -> go Taeja!!! Still creepy. Go away Cokefreak. | ||
Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
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