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On February 01 2013 11:04 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 11:03 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 10:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:38 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 03:38 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 02:53 Sajaki wrote:
3 time and 4 time code S champs are both out of the running for code S. z_z Not sure we can base caliber off WoL GSL since they got there wins when half the competition didn't even transition until way later. Not taking away from MVP or Nestea but they had that Kespa experience coming into SC2 whereas everybody else did not thus giving them a clear edge when it came to strategy, mechanics, micro/micro, and multitask. If everybody had of switched at the same time I don't think those wins for MVP and Nestea would have been achievable. Although both earned their wins against who they played. It's a different story when you play people who on paper were clearly better then you. HotS GSLs will determine who the best of the best are because everybody will be starting at the same time. If Flash was born earlier and played in the Boxer era, either him or Boxer won't have been as successful... That's two different eras. The difference is that the Kespa players and players who switched over to SC2 exist in the same era. I don't understand the whole "going back in time argument". And your arguement contains a big IF. IF the Kespa players switched over. Well, they didn't so I don't see why we 'project' what they would have done. It is not much different from the "going back in time argument". Yeah but it's still within the same era not a completely different timeline. Regardless, time will tell.
What about Chinese WC3 pros who didn't switch. Maybe they would have dominated SC2?
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On February 01 2013 11:08 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 11:04 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 11:03 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 10:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:38 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 03:38 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 02:53 Sajaki wrote:
3 time and 4 time code S champs are both out of the running for code S. z_z Not sure we can base caliber off WoL GSL since they got there wins when half the competition didn't even transition until way later. Not taking away from MVP or Nestea but they had that Kespa experience coming into SC2 whereas everybody else did not thus giving them a clear edge when it came to strategy, mechanics, micro/micro, and multitask. If everybody had of switched at the same time I don't think those wins for MVP and Nestea would have been achievable. Although both earned their wins against who they played. It's a different story when you play people who on paper were clearly better then you. HotS GSLs will determine who the best of the best are because everybody will be starting at the same time. If Flash was born earlier and played in the Boxer era, either him or Boxer won't have been as successful... That's two different eras. The difference is that the Kespa players and players who switched over to SC2 exist in the same era. I don't understand the whole "going back in time argument". And your arguement contains a big IF. IF the Kespa players switched over. Well, they didn't so I don't see why we 'project' what they would have done. It is not much different from the "going back in time argument". Yeah but it's still within the same era not a completely different timeline. Regardless, time will tell. What about Chinese WC3 pros who didn't switch. Maybe they would have dominated SC2?
The difference is that SC2 was made after BW not WC3. Where you have to micro and macro at an extensive and intensive rate not just micro. BW players clearly have more experience then WC3 players in these departments. However, it is very possible that some of them could have dominated SC2 as well.
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On February 01 2013 11:09 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 11:08 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 11:04 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 11:03 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 10:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 10:38 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 03:38 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 02:53 Sajaki wrote:
3 time and 4 time code S champs are both out of the running for code S. z_z Not sure we can base caliber off WoL GSL since they got there wins when half the competition didn't even transition until way later. Not taking away from MVP or Nestea but they had that Kespa experience coming into SC2 whereas everybody else did not thus giving them a clear edge when it came to strategy, mechanics, micro/micro, and multitask. If everybody had of switched at the same time I don't think those wins for MVP and Nestea would have been achievable. Although both earned their wins against who they played. It's a different story when you play people who on paper were clearly better then you. HotS GSLs will determine who the best of the best are because everybody will be starting at the same time. If Flash was born earlier and played in the Boxer era, either him or Boxer won't have been as successful... That's two different eras. The difference is that the Kespa players and players who switched over to SC2 exist in the same era. I don't understand the whole "going back in time argument". And your arguement contains a big IF. IF the Kespa players switched over. Well, they didn't so I don't see why we 'project' what they would have done. It is not much different from the "going back in time argument". Yeah but it's still within the same era not a completely different timeline. Regardless, time will tell. What about Chinese WC3 pros who didn't switch. Maybe they would have dominated SC2? The difference is that SC2 was made after BW not WC3. Where you have to micro and macro at an extensive and intensive rate not just micro. BW players clearly have more experience then WC3 players in these departments. However, it is very possible that some of them could have dominated SC2 as well.
Yet, Stephano is the most successful foreigner while coming from a WC3 background. Of course, having a BW background is more advantageous. But it is not absolute.
That is my whole point. You say that Mvp/Nestea's championships were not as significant because the Kespa pros hadn't switch. By the same token, if say Flash wins a HoTS championship. Could we say it wasn't significant because some Chinese WC3 pros didn't switch?
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