SICK match inc. I agree with a wtf to Rain always starting. Would be good for Bisu to get some SC2 experience under his belt by starting, plus it's what the fans want!! =D
On January 26 2013 03:28 derpface wrote: Waiting for all the Bisu fanboi tears when Bisu is gonna be sent out and lose as always cause he sucks.
Hey now, he beat Roro at least
Yeah but he was so close to losing it aswell even when going for that immortal+sentry cheese
Wtf.. Not everyone is fucking PartinG..Immortal+sentry cheese is not unbeatable -.-..If zerg scouts well (with overlord speed it is not hard these days) it is not that hard to hold.
Bisu had second highest ELO after Fantasy at the end of SC:BW, it's so silly that people say he was on the decline. He was only sent out for the ace match for the finals of the last brood war proleague. I don't think he'll get a chance to play tonight though. Maybe he should be practicing HotS instead?
EDIT: Wrong information, ignore this part I'm not sure if someone's said this, but the Liquibet thing has been duped (two KT Rolsters vs SKT1s, both Round 2 so legit). Is it intentionally or just an error?
Also, SKT has been slumping a bit, so I'd say KT can win this, but not without some effort.
On January 26 2013 09:08 Mariosatr wrote: I'm not sure if someone's said this, but the Liquibet thing has been duped (two KT Rolsters vs SKT1s, both Round 2 so legit). Is it intentionally or just an error?
Also, SKT has been slumping a bit, so I'd say KT can win this, but not without some effort.
On January 26 2013 09:08 Mariosatr wrote: I'm not sure if someone's said this, but the Liquibet thing has been duped (two KT Rolsters vs SKT1s, both Round 2 so legit). Is it intentionally or just an error?
Also, SKT has been slumping a bit, so I'd say KT can win this, but not without some effort.
I think one of then should be for R3
Oh yeah, so it is Funny they have a repeat of the same matches (non all-kill ofc) straight after, I've edited my post to set it right.
Also, continuing on from what I said earlier, I forgot about Fantasy, he could inflict a bit of damage, but I still think KT has too solid a lineup for SKT1.
If SKT loses, then it's almost as another scandal related to Boxer. It's the second-time in SKT history, they lose 6 time in a roll. And Boxer can really go retire. He is experienced, but that doesn't make him good.
On January 26 2013 11:12 larse wrote: If SKT loses, then it's almost as another scandal related to Boxer. It's the second-time in SKT history, they lose 6 time in a roll. And Boxer can really go retire. He is experienced, but that doesn't make him good.
I'm not sure if It's boxer but something is going really wrong lately for SKT, I'm not confident in this match at all.
On January 26 2013 11:12 larse wrote: If SKT loses, then it's almost as another scandal related to Boxer. It's the second-time in SKT history, they lose 6 time in a roll. And Boxer can really go retire. He is experienced, but that doesn't make him good.
I'm not sure if It's boxer but something is going really wrong lately for SKT, I'm not confident in this match at all.
It's because Jessica is participating in the management lately. Just joking. But Boxer screwed up big time. DES is calling his name and said Boxer is an insult to SKT.
twitch 720P is 5 bucks for whole season.60 cents/month
Nothing to do with the money, I bought a subscription already. But I would rather have the Korean casters, and previous proleague matches have had an available Korean stream.
On January 26 2013 11:12 larse wrote: If SKT loses, then it's almost as another scandal related to Boxer. It's the second-time in SKT history, they lose 6 time in a roll. And Boxer can really go retire. He is experienced, but that doesn't make him good.
I'm not sure if It's boxer but something is going really wrong lately for SKT, I'm not confident in this match at all.
It's because Jessica is participating in the management lately. Just joking. But Boxer screwed up big time. DES is calling his name and said Boxer is an insult to SKT.
Cant ever bet agiasnt the ultimate weapon. But I must say, Rains PvT looked unbeatable at some points in time, cant wait for this series. I hope the real rain shows up.
I love how the Koreans are speaking with enthusiasm already. The English commentary does NOT deserve the $5. Not that I've ever paid for SC2. I support through ads.
I love how the Koreans are speaking with enthusiasm already. The English commentary does NOT deserve the $5. Not that I've ever paid for SC2. I support through ads.
Thanks. I always preferred football with Spanish over English for the very same reason - enthusiasm, and genuine emotional investment
I love how the Koreans are speaking with enthusiasm already. The English commentary does NOT deserve the $5. Not that I've ever paid for SC2. I support through ads.
Thanks. I always preferred football with Spanish over English for the very same reason - enthusiasm, and genuine emotional investment
Brazillian commentators may have a word with you :p
On January 26 2013 12:28 Havik_ wrote: Rain always does this Blink pressure bullshit in PvP and I haven't seen it work in a while. P7gab is going to be so far ahead.
On January 26 2013 12:32 GolemMadness wrote: What's so impressive? He brought a warp prism, blinked his stalkers up and force fielded the ramp over and over.
he cycles between warp mode and dropship mode so good it's amazing. Some of the best wp micro there
On January 26 2013 12:31 Nosferatos wrote: weak by wookie, scouted it with observer but could not react properly.
Well, you either defend the main or the natural. You cannot deal with the blink stalkers once your army is cut in half. Basically you need blink and there was no way to get it up in time.
I have to say, I really hated SNM's casting beforehand, but both he and Whiplash have worked hard to improve their casting, and you can see the results. SNM isn't stepping on Whiplash's toes anymore, and doing a solid job of fulfilling the play-by-play while letting the one with the better insight, Whiplash, give his solid analysis and explanation.
On January 26 2013 12:51 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I have to say, I really hated SNM's casting beforehand, but both he and Whiplash have worked hard to improve their casting, and you can see the results. SNM isn't stepping on Whiplash's toes anymore, and doing a solid job of fulfilling the play-by-play while letting the one with the better insight, Whiplash, give his solid analysis and explanation.
Whiplash said in his last blog that they got a lot of tips from tastosis and some other casters
That was very smart by Action, he moved out to make Rain counterattack, then pulled back his main army immediately and killed everything with just a few Zerglings.
I can't help but feel that if the rebuilt Protoss base was further away he could have made a win happen with continued templar harass (trade energy for damage). It was just so close that the Broods can just move a little to the right and start hitting that nexus.
I should have bet money on who comes out for which side. So far as predicted. Let's see if Paralyze beats Action now, then Flash comes out to beat him, and then it's Flash vs Fantasy.
On January 26 2013 12:51 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I have to say, I really hated SNM's casting beforehand, but both he and Whiplash have worked hard to improve their casting, and you can see the results. SNM isn't stepping on Whiplash's toes anymore, and doing a solid job of fulfilling the play-by-play while letting the one with the better insight, Whiplash, give his solid analysis and explanation.
Whiplash said in his last blog that they got a lot of tips from tastosis and some other casters
Yeah, that's what I was referring to in their working hard to improve, glad to see their receptivity to feedback from the pros like tastosis
That was really fun, I'd love to see more stuff like that. I think it could be pretty hilarious if Thorzain tried to teach the Koreans some Swedish, and Stephano some French.
On January 26 2013 13:13 Steel wrote: live report thread, doesn't live report or post results?
Rain > P7GAB, ff on ramp with blink stalkers split P7GAB's army -> win Action > Rain, weird base trade ended with action having lots of broods and Rain couldn't kill off the last hatch
On January 26 2013 13:13 Steel wrote: live report thread, doesn't live report or post results?
Rain > P7GAB, ff on ramp with blink stalkers split P7GAB's army -> win Action > Rain, weird base trade ended with action having lots of broods and Rain couldn't kill off the last hatch
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 R2 Game 3: 1-1 Action vs ParalyzE Map: Ohana
0:00 Action spawns in the top left ParalyzE spawns in the bottom right
1:50 14 pool for Action
2:00 Nexus first for ParalyzE probe blocking the hatch briefly forge for ParalyzE hatch for Action
3:00 cannon for ParalyzE Gate for ParalyzE
4:00 double gas for ParalyzE 3rd base for Action Cybernetics core building for ParalyzE zealot started
5:00 stalker started Stargate for ParalyzE
6:00 double gas for Action 3rd and 4th gas for ParalyzE overlord scout of Action misses the stargate phoenix production started for ParalyzE
7:00 Roach warren started for Action 2 gates for ParalyzE +1 attack started for ParalyzE Paralyze loses his stalker and zealot to slow lings and a queen 4th gate for ParalyzE evo chamber for Action Lair for Action ling speed for Action
8:00 Robo for ParalyzE 2 more gas for Action phoenixes move out when 3 finish and the 4th rallied +1 range attack started for Action but canceled shortly after +1 carapace started for Action spores started for Action when he scouts the stargate but phoenixes are already on the way
9:00 phoenixes arrive at the 3rd of Action before spores finish and pick off a few drones 3rd base for ParalyzE Raoch speed started for Action spire started for Action macro hatch for Action +2 attack started for ParalyzE Blink research started for ParalzyE phoenixes scout the spire in Action's main
10:00 2 more gates for ParlyzE Action starting his roach production (22 on the way)
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 R2 Game 3: 1-1 Action vs ParalyzE Map: Ohana
0:00 Action spawns in the top left ParalyzE spawns in the bottom right
1:50 14 pool for Action
2:00 Nexus first for ParalyzE probe blocking the hatch briefly forge for ParalyzE hatch for Action
3:00 cannon for ParalyzE Gate for ParalyzE
4:00 double gas for ParalyzE 3rd base for Action Cybernetics core building for ParalyzE zealot started
5:00 stalker started Stargate for ParalyzE
6:00 double gas for Action 3rd and 4th gas for ParalyzE overlord scout of Action misses the stargate phoenix production started for ParalyzE
7:00 Roach warren started for Action 2 gates for ParalyzE +1 attack started for ParalyzE Paralyze loses his stalker and zealot to slow lings and a queen 4th gate for ParalyzE evo chamber for Action Lair for Action ling speed for Action
8:00 Robo for ParalyzE 2 more gas for Action phoenixes move out when 3 finish and the 4th rallied +1 range attack started for Action but canceled shortly after +1 carapace started for Action spores started for Action when he scouts the stargate but phoenixes are already on the way
9:00 phoenixes arrive at the 3rd of Action before spores finish and pick off a few drones 3rd base for ParalyzE Roach speed started for Action spire started for Action macro hatch for Action +2 attack started for ParalyzE Blink research started for ParalyzE phoenixes scout the spire in Action's main
10:00 2 more gates for ParalyzE Action starting his roach production (22 on the way)
11:00 immortal production started for ParalyzE Robotics bay for ParalyzE +1 melee for action +1 flier attack for Action Roach ling attack at the 3rd of ParalyzE
12:00 the protoss army is able to push back the roach force briefly with forcefields and phoenix lifts more and more roaches are rallying down and ParalyzE is out of forcefields the roaches pick off both immortals in the army
13:00 lings are being added back into the mix as there are just sentries stalkers and phoenixes left a small group of roaches make their way into Action's natural and kill a couple of probes infestation pit started for Action +3 attack started for ParalyzE ParalyzE is adding in more gateways and rebuilding his immortal count
14:00 Action changes his point of attack to the natural and kills the forge researching +3 attack a few lings are able to get int Paralyze's main base before the forcefield goes down on the main ramp Action backs out of the natural and zealots clean up the lings in the main
15:00 pathogen glands is almost done for Action and his infestors are on thew ay +2 carapace started for Action 2nd evo chamber for Action Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze as well as his colossus produciton overlord speed started for Action +2 flier attack started for Action Hive started for Action 4th base building for Action
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 R2 Game 3: 1-1 Action vs ParalyzE Map: Ohana
0:00 Action spawns in the top left ParalyzE spawns in the bottom right
1:50 14 pool for Action
2:00 Nexus first for ParalyzE probe blocking the hatch briefly forge for ParalyzE hatch for Action
3:00 cannon for ParalyzE Gate for ParalyzE
4:00 double gas for ParalyzE 3rd base for Action Cybernetics core building for ParalyzE zealot started
5:00 stalker started Stargate for ParalyzE
6:00 double gas for Action 3rd and 4th gas for ParalyzE overlord scout of Action misses the stargate phoenix production started for ParalyzE
7:00 Roach warren started for Action 2 gates for ParalyzE +1 attack started for ParalyzE Paralyze loses his stalker and zealot to slow lings and a queen 4th gate for ParalyzE evo chamber for Action Lair for Action ling speed for Action
8:00 Robo for ParalyzE 2 more gas for Action phoenixes move out when 3 finish and the 4th rallied +1 range attack started for Action but canceled shortly after +1 carapace started for Action spores started for Action when he scouts the stargate but phoenixes are already on the way
9:00 phoenixes arrive at the 3rd of Action before spores finish and pick off a few drones 3rd base for ParalyzE Roach speed started for Action spire started for Action macro hatch for Action +2 attack started for ParalyzE Blink research started for ParalyzE phoenixes scout the spire in Action's main
10:00 2 more gates for ParalyzE Action starting his roach production (22 on the way)
11:00 immortal production started for ParalyzE Robotics bay for ParalyzE +1 melee for action +1 flier attack for Action Roach ling attack at the 3rd of ParalyzE
12:00 the protoss army is able to push back the roach force briefly with forcefields and phoenix lifts more and more roaches are rallying down and ParalyzE is out of forcefields the roaches pick off both immortals in the army
13:00 lings are being added back into the mix as there are just sentries stalkers and phoenixes left a small group of roaches make their way into Action's natural and kill a couple of probes infestation pit started for Action +3 attack started for ParalyzE ParalyzE is adding in more gateways and rebuilding his immortal count
14:00 Action changes his point of attack to the natural and kills the forge researching +3 attack a few lings are able to get int Paralyze's main base before the forcefield goes down on the main ramp Action backs out of the natural and zealots clean up the lings in the main
15:00 pathogen glands is almost done for Action and his infestors are on thew ay +2 carapace started for Action 2nd evo chamber for Action Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze as well as his colossus produciton overlord speed started for Action +2 flier attack started for Action Hive started for Action 4th base building for Action
16:00 forge is rebuilt and +3 attack restarted for Paralyze phoenixes are flying around killing overlords but Action has plenty extra to stay at 200 cap Action beings building his wall of spines
17:00 Paralyze is moving out on the map as his 2nd colossus finishes 5th base started for Action phoenixes killing some more drones greater spire started for Action
18:00 roach runby to the 3rd of Paralyze but there is a wall off with cannons so Action turns back the main protoss army kills Action's 4th unopposed fungals hit the phoenixes and corruptors start killing them -- 1 phoenix lives
19:00 Paralyze starts pushing towards the natural of Action Action comes out to defend with spines roaches corruptors and infestors fungals hit the protoss army as it moves into the choke
20:00 Colossi are dealing lots of damage from the back the first 2 brood lords are out corruptors finally clean up the colossi Action takes a 70 supply lead 4th base finishes for Paralyze mothership is coming out for Paralyze stalkers kill the 5th of Action warp prism speed finishes for Paralyze
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 R2 Game 3: 1-1 Action vs ParalyzE Map: Ohana
0:00 Action spawns in the top left ParalyzE spawns in the bottom right
1:50 14 pool for Action
2:00 Nexus first for ParalyzE probe blocking the hatch briefly forge for ParalyzE hatch for Action
3:00 cannon for ParalyzE Gate for ParalyzE
4:00 double gas for ParalyzE 3rd base for Action Cybernetics core building for ParalyzE zealot started
5:00 stalker started Stargate for ParalyzE
6:00 double gas for Action 3rd and 4th gas for ParalyzE overlord scout of Action misses the stargate phoenix production started for ParalyzE
7:00 Roach warren started for Action 2 gates for ParalyzE +1 attack started for ParalyzE Paralyze loses his stalker and zealot to slow lings and a queen 4th gate for ParalyzE evo chamber for Action Lair for Action ling speed for Action
8:00 Robo for ParalyzE 2 more gas for Action phoenixes move out when 3 finish and the 4th rallied +1 range attack started for Action but canceled shortly after +1 carapace started for Action spores started for Action when he scouts the stargate but phoenixes are already on the way
9:00 phoenixes arrive at the 3rd of Action before spores finish and pick off a few drones 3rd base for ParalyzE Roach speed started for Action spire started for Action macro hatch for Action +2 attack started for ParalyzE Blink research started for ParalyzE phoenixes scout the spire in Action's main
10:00 2 more gates for ParalyzE Action starting his roach production (22 on the way)
11:00 immortal production started for ParalyzE Robotics bay for ParalyzE +1 melee for action +1 flier attack for Action Roach ling attack at the 3rd of ParalyzE
12:00 the protoss army is able to push back the roach force briefly with forcefields and phoenix lifts more and more roaches are rallying down and ParalyzE is out of forcefields the roaches pick off both immortals in the army
13:00 lings are being added back into the mix as there are just sentries stalkers and phoenixes left a small group of roaches make their way into Action's natural and kill a couple of probes infestation pit started for Action +3 attack started for ParalyzE ParalyzE is adding in more gateways and rebuilding his immortal count
14:00 Action changes his point of attack to the natural and kills the forge researching +3 attack a few lings are able to get int Paralyze's main base before the forcefield goes down on the main ramp Action backs out of the natural and zealots clean up the lings in the main
15:00 pathogen glands is almost done for Action and his infestors are on thew ay +2 carapace started for Action 2nd evo chamber for Action Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze as well as his colossus produciton overlord speed started for Action +2 flier attack started for Action Hive started for Action 4th base building for Action
16:00 forge is rebuilt and +3 attack restarted for Paralyze phoenixes are flying around killing overlords but Action has plenty extra to stay at 200 cap Action beings building his wall of spines
17:00 Paralyze is moving out on the map as his 2nd colossus finishes 5th base started for Action phoenixes killing some more drones greater spire started for Action
18:00 roach runby to the 3rd of Paralyze but there is a wall off with cannons so Action turns back the main protoss army kills Action's 4th unopposed fungals hit the phoenixes and corruptors start killing them -- 1 phoenix lives
19:00 Paralyze starts pushing towards the natural of Action Action comes out to defend with spines roaches corruptors and infestors fungals hit the protoss army as it moves into the choke
20:00 Colossi are dealing lots of damage from the back the first 2 brood lords are out corruptors finally clean up the colossi Action takes a 70 supply lead 4th base finishes for Paralyze mothership is coming out for Paralyze stalkers kill the 5th of Action warp prism speed finishes for Paralyze
21:00 ling runby to the natural of Paralyze is denied more brood lords are morphing in for Action +1 armor started for Paralyze ling runby at the 4th of Paralyze is cleaned up Action still hasn't been able to retake a 4th base Templar archives for Paralyze
22:00 Action rebuilding his 4th now mothership is almost to 100 energy warp prism for Paralyze archons are being added into Paralyze's comp
23:00 +3 melee started for Action +1 plasma shields started for ParalyzE 5th base started for ParalyzE +2 flier attacks started for Action (canceled earlier to start the greater spire) Paralyze pushes into the 4th base area of Action
24:00 Vortex hits a few brood lords Action doesnt have much support for his army infestors are all out of energy the brood lords are able to push back the protoss army Action is 30 supply ahead
25:00 zealot warp in attempt in the main of Action from the warp prism is cleaned up cannons deny a ling runby at the 4th of Paralyze 8 brood lords are still alive for Action The warp prism is trying to find somewhere else to harass but it's being chased by a corruptor
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 R2 Game 3: 1-1 Action vs ParalyzE Map: Ohana
0:00 Action spawns in the top left ParalyzE spawns in the bottom right
1:50 14 pool for Action
2:00 Nexus first for ParalyzE probe blocking the hatch briefly forge for ParalyzE hatch for Action
3:00 cannon for ParalyzE Gate for ParalyzE
4:00 double gas for ParalyzE 3rd base for Action Cybernetics core building for ParalyzE zealot started
5:00 stalker started Stargate for ParalyzE
6:00 double gas for Action 3rd and 4th gas for ParalyzE overlord scout of Action misses the stargate phoenix production started for ParalyzE
7:00 Roach warren started for Action 2 gates for ParalyzE +1 attack started for ParalyzE Paralyze loses his stalker and zealot to slow lings and a queen 4th gate for ParalyzE evo chamber for Action Lair for Action ling speed for Action
8:00 Robo for ParalyzE 2 more gas for Action phoenixes move out when 3 finish and the 4th rallied +1 range attack started for Action but canceled shortly after +1 carapace started for Action spores started for Action when he scouts the stargate but phoenixes are already on the way
9:00 phoenixes arrive at the 3rd of Action before spores finish and pick off a few drones 3rd base for ParalyzE Roach speed started for Action spire started for Action macro hatch for Action +2 attack started for ParalyzE Blink research started for ParalyzE phoenixes scout the spire in Action's main
10:00 2 more gates for ParalyzE Action starting his roach production (22 on the way)
11:00 immortal production started for ParalyzE Robotics bay for ParalyzE +1 melee for action +1 flier attack for Action Roach ling attack at the 3rd of ParalyzE
12:00 the protoss army is able to push back the roach force briefly with forcefields and phoenix lifts more and more roaches are rallying down and ParalyzE is out of forcefields the roaches pick off both immortals in the army
13:00 lings are being added back into the mix as there are just sentries stalkers and phoenixes left a small group of roaches make their way into Action's natural and kill a couple of probes infestation pit started for Action +3 attack started for ParalyzE ParalyzE is adding in more gateways and rebuilding his immortal count
14:00 Action changes his point of attack to the natural and kills the forge researching +3 attack a few lings are able to get int Paralyze's main base before the forcefield goes down on the main ramp Action backs out of the natural and zealots clean up the lings in the main
15:00 pathogen glands is almost done for Action and his infestors are on thew ay +2 carapace started for Action 2nd evo chamber for Action Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze as well as his colossus produciton overlord speed started for Action +2 flier attack started for Action Hive started for Action 4th base building for Action
16:00 forge is rebuilt and +3 attack restarted for Paralyze phoenixes are flying around killing overlords but Action has plenty extra to stay at 200 cap Action beings building his wall of spines
17:00 Paralyze is moving out on the map as his 2nd colossus finishes 5th base started for Action phoenixes killing some more drones greater spire started for Action
18:00 roach runby to the 3rd of Paralyze but there is a wall off with cannons so Action turns back the main protoss army kills Action's 4th unopposed fungals hit the phoenixes and corruptors start killing them -- 1 phoenix lives
19:00 Paralyze starts pushing towards the natural of Action Action comes out to defend with spines roaches corruptors and infestors fungals hit the protoss army as it moves into the choke
20:00 Colossi are dealing lots of damage from the back the first 2 brood lords are out corruptors finally clean up the colossi Action takes a 70 supply lead 4th base finishes for Paralyze mothership is coming out for Paralyze stalkers kill the 5th of Action warp prism speed finishes for Paralyze
21:00 ling runby to the natural of Paralyze is denied more brood lords are morphing in for Action +1 armor started for Paralyze ling runby at the 4th of Paralyze is cleaned up Action still hasn't been able to retake a 4th base Templar archives for Paralyze
22:00 Action rebuilding his 4th now mothership is almost to 100 energy warp prism for Paralyze archons are being added into Paralyze's comp
23:00 +3 melee started for Action +1 plasma shields started for ParalyzE 5th base started for ParalyzE +2 flier attacks started for Action (canceled earlier to start the greater spire) Paralyze pushes into the 4th base area of Action
24:00 Vortex hits a few brood lords Action doesnt have much support for his army infestors are all out of energy the brood lords are able to push back the protoss army Action is 30 supply ahead
25:00 zealot warp in attempt in the main of Action from the warp prism is cleaned up cannons deny a ling runby at the 4th of Paralyze 8 brood lords are still alive for Action The warp prism is trying to find somewhere else to harass but it's being chased by a corruptor
26:00 +3 carapace started for Action Paraylze rebuilding his archon count warp prism warps some zealots in at the natural of Action
27:00 neural parasite started for Action lings clean up the zealots in the natural the warp prism moves to the main and warps in some more zealots a corruptor kills the warp prism tons of spines in the main and lings clean up the zealots easily
28:00 Paralyze is ahead 175 - 155 supply Action starting to add in more corruptors and infestors as his supply is freeing up Paralyze drops a nexus at Action's 5th base location but lings instantly force a cancel
29:00 +2 armor started for Paralyze Burrow research started for Action paralyze adding in quite a few HTs to his army
30:00 6th base for Paralyze started at the top left expansion tons of cannons going up at Paralyze's 5th cannons building at Paralyze's 6th
hmm wonder what would happen if you include a Colossus in such a drop, after the Zerg only was sending lings all the time to defend and sits with his Infestors in one spot.
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 R2 Game 3: 1-1 Action vs ParalyzE Map: Ohana
0:00 Action spawns in the top left ParalyzE spawns in the bottom right
1:50 14 pool for Action
2:00 Nexus first for ParalyzE probe blocking the hatch briefly forge for ParalyzE hatch for Action
3:00 cannon for ParalyzE Gate for ParalyzE
4:00 double gas for ParalyzE 3rd base for Action Cybernetics core building for ParalyzE zealot started
5:00 stalker started Stargate for ParalyzE
6:00 double gas for Action 3rd and 4th gas for ParalyzE overlord scout of Action misses the stargate phoenix production started for ParalyzE
7:00 Roach warren started for Action 2 gates for ParalyzE +1 attack started for ParalyzE Paralyze loses his stalker and zealot to slow lings and a queen 4th gate for ParalyzE evo chamber for Action Lair for Action ling speed for Action
8:00 Robo for ParalyzE 2 more gas for Action phoenixes move out when 3 finish and the 4th rallied +1 range attack started for Action but canceled shortly after +1 carapace started for Action spores started for Action when he scouts the stargate but phoenixes are already on the way
9:00 phoenixes arrive at the 3rd of Action before spores finish and pick off a few drones 3rd base for ParalyzE Roach speed started for Action spire started for Action macro hatch for Action +2 attack started for ParalyzE Blink research started for ParalyzE phoenixes scout the spire in Action's main
10:00 2 more gates for ParalyzE Action starting his roach production (22 on the way)
11:00 immortal production started for ParalyzE Robotics bay for ParalyzE +1 melee for action +1 flier attack for Action Roach ling attack at the 3rd of ParalyzE
12:00 the protoss army is able to push back the roach force briefly with forcefields and phoenix lifts more and more roaches are rallying down and ParalyzE is out of forcefields the roaches pick off both immortals in the army
13:00 lings are being added back into the mix as there are just sentries stalkers and phoenixes left a small group of roaches make their way into Action's natural and kill a couple of probes infestation pit started for Action +3 attack started for ParalyzE ParalyzE is adding in more gateways and rebuilding his immortal count
14:00 Action changes his point of attack to the natural and kills the forge researching +3 attack a few lings are able to get int Paralyze's main base before the forcefield goes down on the main ramp Action backs out of the natural and zealots clean up the lings in the main
15:00 pathogen glands is almost done for Action and his infestors are on thew ay +2 carapace started for Action 2nd evo chamber for Action Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze as well as his colossus produciton overlord speed started for Action +2 flier attack started for Action Hive started for Action 4th base building for Action
16:00 forge is rebuilt and +3 attack restarted for Paralyze phoenixes are flying around killing overlords but Action has plenty extra to stay at 200 cap Action beings building his wall of spines
17:00 Paralyze is moving out on the map as his 2nd colossus finishes 5th base started for Action phoenixes killing some more drones greater spire started for Action
18:00 roach runby to the 3rd of Paralyze but there is a wall off with cannons so Action turns back the main protoss army kills Action's 4th unopposed fungals hit the phoenixes and corruptors start killing them -- 1 phoenix lives
19:00 Paralyze starts pushing towards the natural of Action Action comes out to defend with spines roaches corruptors and infestors fungals hit the protoss army as it moves into the choke
20:00 Colossi are dealing lots of damage from the back the first 2 brood lords are out corruptors finally clean up the colossi Action takes a 70 supply lead 4th base finishes for Paralyze mothership is coming out for Paralyze stalkers kill the 5th of Action warp prism speed finishes for Paralyze
21:00 ling runby to the natural of Paralyze is denied more brood lords are morphing in for Action +1 armor started for Paralyze ling runby at the 4th of Paralyze is cleaned up Action still hasn't been able to retake a 4th base Templar archives for Paralyze
22:00 Action rebuilding his 4th now mothership is almost to 100 energy warp prism for Paralyze archons are being added into Paralyze's comp
23:00 +3 melee started for Action +1 plasma shields started for ParalyzE 5th base started for ParalyzE +2 flier attacks started for Action (canceled earlier to start the greater spire) Paralyze pushes into the 4th base area of Action
24:00 Vortex hits a few brood lords Action doesnt have much support for his army infestors are all out of energy the brood lords are able to push back the protoss army Action is 30 supply ahead
25:00 zealot warp in attempt in the main of Action from the warp prism is cleaned up cannons deny a ling runby at the 4th of Paralyze 8 brood lords are still alive for Action The warp prism is trying to find somewhere else to harass but it's being chased by a corruptor
26:00 +3 carapace started for Action Paraylze rebuilding his archon count warp prism warps some zealots in at the natural of Action
27:00 neural parasite started for Action lings clean up the zealots in the natural the warp prism moves to the main and warps in some more zealots a corruptor kills the warp prism tons of spines in the main and lings clean up the zealots easily
28:00 Paralyze is ahead 175 - 155 supply Action starting to add in more corruptors and infestors as his supply is freeing up Paralyze drops a nexus at Action's 5th base location but lings instantly force a cancel
29:00 +2 armor started for Paralyze Burrow research started for Action paralyze adding in quite a few HTs to his army
30:00 6th base for Paralyze started at the top left expansion tons of cannons going up at Paralyze's 5th cannons building at Paralyze's 6th
31:00 Paralyze starting to build up a resource bank neural parasite on the mothership vortex used on part of the protoss army storm on the brood lords 2nd vortex dropped on the protoss army
32:00 queens and IT kill the mothership 17 brood lords out for Action now Brood lords moving towards the 5th of Paralyze Paralyze goes in to attack Action's broods before the support army arrives storms on the brood lords stalkers blink under the broods
33:00 queens are transfusing over and over on the broods the protoss army is being pushed back Action is still up at 170 supply 30 better than Paralyze The zerg army pushes towards the 5th of Paralyze Corruptors kill all of the colossi stalkers and archons are able to clean up the brood lords
34:00 the stalker reinforcements are able to kill off a lot of the zerg army and chase it back to Action's 4th Action is running out of money Action ggs! ParalyzE wins and gives SK Telecom T1 a 2-1 lead!
On January 26 2013 13:40 Dodgin wrote: I hope to never see another game like this, zerg turtles all game, gets one neural and then wins easily. thank god vortex is gone from hots.
Seriously. Truer words never spoken. I'm in a state of disgust currently =_=
On January 26 2013 13:40 nmetasch wrote: See, so fucking stupid. All that matters in pvz is hit vortex or don't hit vortex. What a poorly designed matchup -_-
I really do understand Legend when he says that the SPL observers are amateurish. Tons of storms go down, but the Broodlords are never selected so no idea how hurt they are. Uggg
On January 26 2013 13:40 Dodgin wrote: I hope to never see another game like this, zerg turtles all game, gets one neural and then wins easily. thank god vortex is gone from hots.
On January 26 2013 13:40 nmetasch wrote: See, so fucking stupid. All that matters in pvz is hit vortex or don't hit vortex. What a poorly designed matchup -_-
On January 26 2013 13:40 Dodgin wrote: I hope to never see another game like this, zerg turtles all game, gets one neural and then wins easily. thank god vortex is gone from hots.
On January 26 2013 13:40 nmetasch wrote: See, so fucking stupid. All that matters in pvz is hit vortex or don't hit vortex. What a poorly designed matchup -_-
I guess you speak so soon.
Sick play by Afrotoss at the end, though. I thought he was a goner for a second.
On January 26 2013 13:40 Dodgin wrote: I hope to never see another game like this, zerg turtles all game, gets one neural and then wins easily. thank god vortex is gone from hots.
On January 26 2013 13:40 Dodgin wrote: I hope to never see another game like this, zerg turtles all game, gets one neural and then wins easily. thank god vortex is gone from hots.
almost, I thought the same thing.
In the time it took me to tab to TL and write that apparently something amazing happened, gonna have to rewatch the vod.
On January 26 2013 13:40 nmetasch wrote: See, so fucking stupid. All that matters in pvz is hit vortex or don't hit vortex. What a poorly designed matchup -_-
On January 26 2013 13:40 Dodgin wrote: I hope to never see another game like this, zerg turtles all game, gets one neural and then wins easily. thank god vortex is gone from hots.
On January 26 2013 13:40 Dodgin wrote: I hope to never see another game like this, zerg turtles all game, gets one neural and then wins easily. thank god vortex is gone from hots.
almost, I thought the same thing.
In the time it took me to tab to TL and write that apparently something amazing happened, gonna have to rewatch the vod.
The storms did a lot of damage plus it was 5 base P vs 4 base Zerg. Usually in these PvZ battles, even if all the BLs get taken out. Zerg just remaxs with lings and it is GG.
On January 26 2013 13:41 sashkata wrote: wait what happened? I saw zerg win a battle I minimized and 30 sec latter every broodlord is dead.
you have to check the Resources as well. Doesn't matter if the Zerg wins the battle and has no bank. If the Protoss has resources left and the Zerg is not close to their spines they basically lost their whole army too. Atleast if Infestors are out of energy to cover the retreat. And yeah the spine wall was at the Hive, bit to far away.
On January 26 2013 13:40 nmetasch wrote: See, so fucking stupid. All that matters in pvz is hit vortex or don't hit vortex. What a poorly designed matchup -_-
On January 26 2013 13:40 Dodgin wrote: I hope to never see another game like this, zerg turtles all game, gets one neural and then wins easily. thank god vortex is gone from hots.
These are really funny.
Proleague never shows unit healthbars so I couldn't see that the broodlords were apparently almost dead, none of them died in the first battle so it looked like action would just roll to victory.
On January 26 2013 13:40 Dodgin wrote: I hope to never see another game like this, zerg turtles all game, gets one neural and then wins easily. thank god vortex is gone from hots.
almost, I thought the same thing.
In the time it took me to tab to TL and write that apparently something amazing happened, gonna have to rewatch the vod.
LOL don't tab out to post. Use a 2nd monitor, if not, then use your phone or laptop to post.
On January 26 2013 13:41 haka wrote: Wait... what? I swear it was over when Action got that np off...
Walking into like 8 storms and sitting there tends to lose you games.
How did he "walk into storms". It's not like storm lasts 10 seconds and he moved into it. His army was well spread, the two engaged, and Paralyze landed a bunch of great storms. What the fuck are you saying.
On January 26 2013 13:41 sashkata wrote: wait what happened? I saw zerg win a battle I minimized and 30 sec latter every broodlord is dead.
you have to check the Resources as well. Doesn't matter if the Zerg wins the battle and has no bank. If the Protoss has resources left and the Zerg is not close to their spines they basically lost their whole army too. Atleast if Infestors are out of energy to cover the retreat. And yeah the spine wall was at the Hive, bit to far away.
They also dont show health bars and the brood lords were hit by like 5 storms so they were probably all in the red/orange health region
On January 26 2013 13:40 nmetasch wrote: See, so fucking stupid. All that matters in pvz is hit vortex or don't hit vortex. What a poorly designed matchup -_-
On January 26 2013 13:40 Dodgin wrote: I hope to never see another game like this, zerg turtles all game, gets one neural and then wins easily. thank god vortex is gone from hots.
Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
So... we might want to whine a bit about the instant warp in mechanic.
On January 26 2013 13:45 figq wrote: Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
On January 26 2013 13:41 sashkata wrote: wait what happened? I saw zerg win a battle I minimized and 30 sec latter every broodlord is dead.
you have to check the Resources as well. Doesn't matter if the Zerg wins the battle and has no bank. If the Protoss has resources left and the Zerg is not close to their spines they basically lost their whole army too. Atleast if Infestors are out of energy to cover the retreat. And yeah the spine wall was at the Hive, bit to far away.
They also dont show health bars and the brood lords were hit by like 5 storms so they were probably all in the red/orange health region
Did this severely annoy anyone else or just me? I was wondering how close the fight was going to be but had no idea about the status of the BLs.
On January 26 2013 13:41 sashkata wrote: wait what happened? I saw zerg win a battle I minimized and 30 sec latter every broodlord is dead.
you have to check the Resources as well. Doesn't matter if the Zerg wins the battle and has no bank. If the Protoss has resources left and the Zerg is not close to their spines they basically lost their whole army too. Atleast if Infestors are out of energy to cover the retreat. And yeah the spine wall was at the Hive, bit to far away.
They also dont show health bars and the brood lords were hit by like 5 storms so they were probably all in the red/orange health region
Did this severely annoy anyone else or just me? I was wondering how close the fight was going to be but had no idea about the status of the BLs.
Legend should host an observer training camp and make some money off of these KeSPA amateurs.
On January 26 2013 13:41 haka wrote: Wait... what? I swear it was over when Action got that np off...
Walking into like 8 storms and sitting there tends to lose you games.
How did he "walk into storms". It's not like storm lasts 10 seconds and he moved into it. His army was well spread, the two engaged, and Paralyze landed a bunch of great storms. What the fuck are you saying.
Maybe "walk into" was phrased poorly, I meant there were so many templar with storms ready. And his "spread" wasn't the best, two storms side by side covered most of the BL's. Not to say they weren't great storms just Action making mistakes during that engagement and not pulling back
On January 26 2013 13:45 figq wrote: Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
Why can't it be both?
Cuz the storms were not the essential thing here. The essential thing was protoss had huge bank. (+ protoss can produce units instantly in a burst without delay, so there's no time to retreat or anything)
On January 26 2013 13:45 figq wrote: Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
So... we might want to whine a bit about the instant warp in mechanic.
Don't be ridiculous. Stalkers couldn't have killed that many broodlords without the storm, nor would the result of that battle had changed if Action also had a bank. The warp in mechanic determined the outcome of the battle. It only determined the outcome of the game because Action did not have a comparable bank.
On January 26 2013 13:41 sashkata wrote: wait what happened? I saw zerg win a battle I minimized and 30 sec latter every broodlord is dead.
you have to check the Resources as well. Doesn't matter if the Zerg wins the battle and has no bank. If the Protoss has resources left and the Zerg is not close to their spines they basically lost their whole army too. Atleast if Infestors are out of energy to cover the retreat. And yeah the spine wall was at the Hive, bit to far away.
They also dont show health bars and the brood lords were hit by like 5 storms so they were probably all in the red/orange health region
Did this severely annoy anyone else or just me? I was wondering how close the fight was going to be but had no idea about the status of the BLs.
Legend should host an observer training camp and make some money off of these KeSPA amateurs.
apparently the hype is lost when you don't know if someone gonna make it or not...
On January 26 2013 13:45 figq wrote: Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
So... we might want to whine a bit about the instant warp in mechanic.
BL die to 3 full storms... A lot of the BLs took 2 full storms and then the stalkers killed them off.
On January 26 2013 13:41 sashkata wrote: wait what happened? I saw zerg win a battle I minimized and 30 sec latter every broodlord is dead.
Infestor nerf x 3 happened.
Yup, so now 5 base P can actually win against a 4 base Zerg now...
Yeah you're right Zerg has such a strong mobile army to deny those bases! All these bad Zerg players, just letting Toss take base after base! Why are they so damn bad? Why don't they just warp in a round of Zealots to kill bases like Protoss does?
On January 26 2013 13:41 sashkata wrote: wait what happened? I saw zerg win a battle I minimized and 30 sec latter every broodlord is dead.
you have to check the Resources as well. Doesn't matter if the Zerg wins the battle and has no bank. If the Protoss has resources left and the Zerg is not close to their spines they basically lost their whole army too. Atleast if Infestors are out of energy to cover the retreat. And yeah the spine wall was at the Hive, bit to far away.
They also dont show health bars and the brood lords were hit by like 5 storms so they were probably all in the red/orange health region
Did this severely annoy anyone else or just me? I was wondering how close the fight was going to be but had no idea about the status of the BLs.
The health bar thing is really aggravating.
I personally like 'always on' for health bars, I understand how that can clutter the screen, but if you're going to turn them off you need a great observer (which they don't have).
On January 26 2013 13:45 geokilla wrote: Hero needs to stop smoking... His teeth are terrible.
?? Does smoking make your teeth grow in crooked?
he just has to go to the dentist and have him put on braces for 1-2 year. worst 2 years of my life when I had them on (my teeth grew in a really fucked up way) but now they're beautiful and I can't explain how happy I was when the doc removed it
On January 26 2013 13:41 haka wrote: Wait... what? I swear it was over when Action got that np off...
Walking into like 8 storms and sitting there tends to lose you games.
How did he "walk into storms". It's not like storm lasts 10 seconds and he moved into it. His army was well spread, the two engaged, and Paralyze landed a bunch of great storms. What the fuck are you saying.
Maybe "walk into" was phrased poorly, I meant there were so many templar with storms ready. And his "spread" wasn't the best, two storms side by side covered most of the BL's. Not to say they weren't great storms just Action making mistakes during that engagement and not pulling back
you can't pull back with BL/Infestor...
Action engaged almost optimally and won the battle. He was too far behind in economy to reinforce and Paralyze killed him for it.
Not a full pull back obviously just back behind the watch tower to utilize the terrain since Paralyze didn't blink in right away
On January 26 2013 13:45 figq wrote: Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
Why can't it be both?
Cuz the storms were not the essential thing here. The essential thing was protoss had huge bank. (+ protoss can produce units instantly in a burst without delay, so there's no time to retreat or anything)
His dozen or so stalkers he warped in would still die rather easily to the brood lords if they weren't all orange from eating a couple storms apiece. The storms softened them up fairly significantly: a BL has 225 health, which is a little less than 3 full storms.
On January 26 2013 13:45 figq wrote: Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
So... we might want to whine a bit about the instant warp in mechanic.
Don't be ridiculous. Stalkers couldn't have killed that many broodlords without the storm, nor would the result of that battle had changed if Action also had a bank. The warp in mechanic determined the outcome of the battle. It only determined the outcome of the game because Action did not have a comparable bank.
The main point is really the bank. And people hugely overestimated how many storms were there and how much damage they caused. And accusing Action of not dodging storms, as if BLs can really "dodge" anything.
On January 26 2013 13:45 figq wrote: Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
Why can't it be both?
Cuz the storms were not the essential thing here. The essential thing was protoss had huge bank. (+ protoss can produce units instantly in a burst without delay, so there's no time to retreat or anything)
This is stupid. Both were essential. And if you want to talk about unit production, Zerg has the best remax ability as well.
On January 26 2013 13:41 haka wrote: Wait... what? I swear it was over when Action got that np off...
Walking into like 8 storms and sitting there tends to lose you games.
How did he "walk into storms". It's not like storm lasts 10 seconds and he moved into it. His army was well spread, the two engaged, and Paralyze landed a bunch of great storms. What the fuck are you saying.
Maybe "walk into" was phrased poorly, I meant there were so many templar with storms ready. And his "spread" wasn't the best, two storms side by side covered most of the BL's. Not to say they weren't great storms just Action making mistakes during that engagement and not pulling back
I disagree, but it is hard to determine for sure due to the slight ambiguity of the area covered by storm and the lack of healthbars. I know for certain, though, that it took closer to four storms to hit the Broodlords and I think that any wider of a spread probably would have left broodlords without cover from the support on the ground and too susceptible to stalkers. I'm not sure at what point Action could have pulled back without taking heavy losses. He had been winning the battle, but the state of the economies definitely meant that Action would be unwise to not at least try to press his advantage.
On January 26 2013 13:41 sashkata wrote: wait what happened? I saw zerg win a battle I minimized and 30 sec latter every broodlord is dead.
Infestor nerf x 3 happened.
Yup, so now 5 base P can actually win against a 4 base Zerg now...
Yeah you're right Zerg has such a strong mobile army to deny those bases! All these bad Zerg players, just letting Toss take base after base! Why are they so damn bad? Why don't they just warp in a round of Zealots to kill bases like Protoss does?
Because, you know, zerglings are never used in the blord/infestor comp and infestors definitely don't have a free unit that can be spawned for 25 energy and can wreck a base super quickly once you spawn like ~20 of them.
On January 26 2013 13:41 sashkata wrote: wait what happened? I saw zerg win a battle I minimized and 30 sec latter every broodlord is dead.
Infestor nerf x 3 happened.
Yup, so now 5 base P can actually win against a 4 base Zerg now...
Yeah you're right Zerg has such a strong mobile army to deny those bases! All these bad Zerg players, just letting Toss take base after base! Why are they so damn bad? Why don't they just warp in a round of Zealots to kill bases like Protoss does?
Well I think we figured out how you made the last few major tournaments interesting for yourself.
On January 26 2013 13:45 figq wrote: Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
So... we might want to whine a bit about the instant warp in mechanic.
Don't be ridiculous. Stalkers couldn't have killed that many broodlords without the storm, nor would the result of that battle had changed if Action also had a bank. The warp in mechanic determined the outcome of the battle. It only determined the outcome of the game because Action did not have a comparable bank.
The main point is really the bank. And people hugely overestimated how many storms were there and how much damage they caused. And accusing Action of not dodging storms, as if BLs can really "dodge" anything.
And some people overestimate how much damage 12 stalkers can do...
On January 26 2013 13:45 figq wrote: Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
Why can't it be both?
Cuz the storms were not the essential thing here. The essential thing was protoss had huge bank. (+ protoss can produce units instantly in a burst without delay, so there's no time to retreat or anything)
This is stupid. Both were essential. And if you want to talk about unit production, Zerg has the best remax ability as well.
Not instant. We are talking about burst instant production without delay, so you can't retreat.
On January 26 2013 13:41 sashkata wrote: wait what happened? I saw zerg win a battle I minimized and 30 sec latter every broodlord is dead.
Infestor nerf x 3 happened.
Yup, so now 5 base P can actually win against a 4 base Zerg now...
Yeah you're right Zerg has such a strong mobile army to deny those bases! All these bad Zerg players, just letting Toss take base after base! Why are they so damn bad? Why don't they just warp in a round of Zealots to kill bases like Protoss does?
Because, you know, zerglings are never used in the blord/infestor comp and infestors definitely don't have a free unit that can be spawned for 25 energy and can wreck a base super quickly once you spawn like ~20 of them.
if only infestors could also burrow and hide near bases to be extra annoying t.t
On January 26 2013 13:41 sashkata wrote: wait what happened? I saw zerg win a battle I minimized and 30 sec latter every broodlord is dead.
Infestor nerf x 3 happened.
Yup, so now 5 base P can actually win against a 4 base Zerg now...
Yeah you're right Zerg has such a strong mobile army to deny those bases! All these bad Zerg players, just letting Toss take base after base! Why are they so damn bad? Why don't they just warp in a round of Zealots to kill bases like Protoss does?
Oh please, stop your whining... So you want infestor BL to be powerful AND be mobile?
On January 26 2013 13:40 SniXSniPe wrote: Afrotoss wins... barely.
As stupid as that is :/
What? Really?
I mean he shouldn't have, "barely" won.
yes he should have. If you are careless enough to get ur Mothership neuraled then you deserve to lose (just like if you get a lot of BLs vortexed). The fact that he still won is kinda of stupid imo.
Yea and if you're careless enough to allow stalkers to catch up to blords, you also deserve to lose!
On January 26 2013 13:45 figq wrote: Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
So... we might want to whine a bit about the instant warp in mechanic.
Don't be ridiculous. Stalkers couldn't have killed that many broodlords without the storm, nor would the result of that battle had changed if Action also had a bank. The warp in mechanic determined the outcome of the battle. It only determined the outcome of the game because Action did not have a comparable bank.
The main point is really the bank. And people hugely overestimated how many storms were there and how much damage they caused. And accusing Action of not dodging storms, as if BLs can really "dodge" anything.
And some people overestimate how much damage 12 stalkers can do...
And after the first wave of stalkers were dead, there was going to be another and another wave, obviously. Anyway, Action was in a completely losing position from at least 10 minutes before that, because he failed to expand his economy and reduce the protoss economy. I still don't understand what was he even thinking. He was more keen on defending for the longest time, than actually winning the game.
I need advice. Do I try to sleep four hours to be not dead for Iron Squid, or do I just not sleep and watch SPL and Iron Squid. I'm coming off a four hour sleep last night. Such hard decisions.
On January 26 2013 13:40 SniXSniPe wrote: Afrotoss wins... barely.
As stupid as that is :/
What? Really?
I mean he shouldn't have, "barely" won.
yes he should have. If you are careless enough to get ur Mothership neuraled then you deserve to lose (just like if you get a lot of BLs vortexed). The fact that he still won is kinda of stupid imo.
Stupid enough to get your super slow ship that needs to get into neural range to drop a perfect vortex?
On January 26 2013 13:45 figq wrote: Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
Why can't it be both?
Cuz the storms were not the essential thing here. The essential thing was protoss had huge bank. (+ protoss can produce units instantly in a burst without delay, so there's no time to retreat or anything)
This is stupid. Both were essential. And if you want to talk about unit production, Zerg has the best remax ability as well.
Not instant. We are talking about burst instant production without delay, so you can't retreat.
its not instant. 5 seconds to warp in + travel time to fight. There weren't pylons directly under the broods son.
On January 26 2013 13:57 Gorlin wrote: I need advice. Do I try to sleep four hours to be not dead for Iron Squid, or do I just not sleep and watch SPL and Iron Squid. I'm coming off a four hour sleep last night. Such hard decisions.
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 R2 Game 4: 1-2 Flash vs ParalyzE Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 Flash spawns in the bottom left ParalyzE spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Paralyze
2:00 gas for Paralyze 14 CC for Flash on the low ground rax for Flash Cybernetics core for Paralyze
3:00 2nd rax for Flash Nexus for Paralyze
4:00 Stalker for Paralyze double gas for Flash 2nd stalker for Paralyze 2nd gas for Paralyze
5:00 tech lab for Flash ebay for Flash triple burger build from the audience stim research started for Flash 2 more gates for Paralyze bunker in the natural for Flash robo for Paralyze +1 attack started for Flash
On January 26 2013 13:57 Gorlin wrote: I need advice. Do I try to sleep four hours to be not dead for Iron Squid, or do I just not sleep and watch SPL and Iron Squid. I'm coming off a four hour sleep last night. Such hard decisions.
Starcraft makes you hate your biological need to sleep
I started watching the Korean stream for a while and now im watchign the English one again and I must say I think SNM and Whiplash have improved greatly
On January 26 2013 13:57 Gorlin wrote: I need advice. Do I try to sleep four hours to be not dead for Iron Squid, or do I just not sleep and watch SPL and Iron Squid. I'm coming off a four hour sleep last night. Such hard decisions.
Power through! Sounds like a night of SC2, caffeine, and food
On January 26 2013 13:57 Gorlin wrote: I need advice. Do I try to sleep four hours to be not dead for Iron Squid, or do I just not sleep and watch SPL and Iron Squid. I'm coming off a four hour sleep last night. Such hard decisions.
On January 26 2013 13:57 Gorlin wrote: I need advice. Do I try to sleep four hours to be not dead for Iron Squid, or do I just not sleep and watch SPL and Iron Squid. I'm coming off a four hour sleep last night. Such hard decisions.
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 R2 Game 4: 1-2 Flash vs ParalyzE Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 Flash spawns in the bottom left ParalyzE spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Paralyze
2:00 gas for Paralyze 14 CC for Flash on the low ground rax for Flash Cybernetics core for Paralyze
3:00 2nd rax for Flash Nexus for Paralyze
4:00 Stalker for Paralyze double gas for Flash 2nd stalker for Paralyze 2nd gas for Paralyze
5:00 tech lab for Flash ebay for Flash triple burger build from the audience stim research started for Flash 2 more gates for Paralyze bunker in the natural for Flash robo for Paralyze +1 attack started for Flash
6:00 2 more gas for Paralyze another rax for Flash Factory for Flash 2 more gas for Flash
7:00 Twilight council for Paralyze observer for Paralyze Flash going up to his 3rd bunker at the natural ramp Robotics bay for Paralyze armory for Flash blink research started for Paralyze
8:00 Starport finishes for Flash 2nd ebay for Fash combat shields for Flash double medivac production beings for Flash
9:00 +2 attack, +1 armor started for Flash colossus on the way for Paralyze Flash moving out as his first 2 medivacs finsih double forge for Paralyze Marauder production started for Flash 3rd CC started for Flash
10:00 2nd colossus started for Paralyze viking production started for Flash after he sees the first colossus 1-1 started for Paralyze 2 more rax for Flash 3 more gates for Paralyze Flash backs off to the watchtower
On January 26 2013 13:57 Gorlin wrote: I need advice. Do I try to sleep four hours to be not dead for Iron Squid, or do I just not sleep and watch SPL and Iron Squid. I'm coming off a four hour sleep last night. Such hard decisions.
Definitely sleep. SPL is almost every day the whole year. Iron Squid Grandfinals in Paris is once or twice a year. It's a very long, very well produced event, with performers on stage and whatnot, you need to be fresh. Trust me, it's worth it.
On January 26 2013 13:45 figq wrote: Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
Why can't it be both?
Cuz the storms were not the essential thing here. The essential thing was protoss had huge bank. (+ protoss can produce units instantly in a burst without delay, so there's no time to retreat or anything)
This is stupid. Both were essential. And if you want to talk about unit production, Zerg has the best remax ability as well.
Not instant. We are talking about burst instant production without delay, so you can't retreat.
First of all, it isn't instant. And what I was trying to point out is that different races have different mechanics. Protoss has fastest reinforce time. Zerg has easier remax due to larvae.
On January 26 2013 13:57 Gorlin wrote: I need advice. Do I try to sleep four hours to be not dead for Iron Squid, or do I just not sleep and watch SPL and Iron Squid. I'm coming off a four hour sleep last night. Such hard decisions.
Sleep. Iron squid will have downtime so you can catch up on vods inbetween matches.
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 R2 Game 4: 1-2 Flash vs ParalyzE Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 Flash spawns in the bottom left ParalyzE spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Paralyze
2:00 gas for Paralyze 14 CC for Flash on the low ground rax for Flash Cybernetics core for Paralyze
3:00 2nd rax for Flash Nexus for Paralyze
4:00 Stalker for Paralyze double gas for Flash 2nd stalker for Paralyze 2nd gas for Paralyze
5:00 tech lab for Flash ebay for Flash triple burger build from the audience stim research started for Flash 2 more gates for Paralyze bunker in the natural for Flash robo for Paralyze +1 attack started for Flash
6:00 2 more gas for Paralyze another rax for Flash Factory for Flash 2 more gas for Flash
7:00 Twilight council for Paralyze observer for Paralyze Flash going up to his 3rd bunker at the natural ramp Robotics bay for Paralyze armory for Flash blink research started for Paralyze
8:00 Starport finishes for Flash 2nd ebay for Fash combat shields for Flash double medivac production beings for Flash
9:00 +2 attack, +1 armor started for Flash colossus on the way for Paralyze Flash moving out as his first 2 medivacs finish double forge for Paralyze Marauder production started for Flash 3rd CC started for Flash
10:00 2nd colossus started for Paralyze viking production started for Flash after he sees the first colossus 1-1 started for Paralyze 2 more rax for Flash 3 more gates for Paralyze Flash backs off to the watchtower
11:00 Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze Concussive shells started for Flash 3rd base started for Paralyze +2 armor started for Flash charge research started for Paralyze
12:00 +3 attack started for Flash 2-2 started for Paralyze 2nd starport for Flash 2 more gates for Paralyze
13:00 Templar archives started for Paralyze Flash adding on more rax
14:00 8 vikings vs 3 colossi HTs are entering the map archons being added to the protoss army +1 ship weapons started for Flash ghost academy building for Flash quadruple medivac production for flash observer over flash's army is killed
15:00 armies engage at the base of Paralyze's ramp Flash kites back the zealots with his bio and the vikings start hitting the colossi Flash takes a 50 supply lead but Paralyze cleans up the vikings with 1 colossus still alive Flash backs off and regroups his army
On January 26 2013 13:57 Gorlin wrote: I need advice. Do I try to sleep four hours to be not dead for Iron Squid, or do I just not sleep and watch SPL and Iron Squid. I'm coming off a four hour sleep last night. Such hard decisions.
Sleep. Iron squid will have downtime so you can catch up on vods inbetween matches.
On January 26 2013 13:57 Gorlin wrote: I need advice. Do I try to sleep four hours to be not dead for Iron Squid, or do I just not sleep and watch SPL and Iron Squid. I'm coming off a four hour sleep last night. Such hard decisions.
Definitely sleep. SPL is almost every day the whole year. Iron Squid Grandfinals in Paris is once or twice a year. It's a very long, very well produced event, with performers on stage and whatnot, you need to be fresh. Trust me, it's worth it.
Good points, alright sleep it is. I'm going to need my energy for cheering Nestea on.
On January 26 2013 13:57 Gorlin wrote: I need advice. Do I try to sleep four hours to be not dead for Iron Squid, or do I just not sleep and watch SPL and Iron Squid. I'm coming off a four hour sleep last night. Such hard decisions.
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 R2 Game 4: 1-2 Flash vs ParalyzE Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 Flash spawns in the bottom left ParalyzE spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for Paralyze
2:00 gas for Paralyze 14 CC for Flash on the low ground rax for Flash Cybernetics core for Paralyze
3:00 2nd rax for Flash Nexus for Paralyze
4:00 Stalker for Paralyze double gas for Flash 2nd stalker for Paralyze 2nd gas for Paralyze
5:00 tech lab for Flash ebay for Flash triple burger build from the audience stim research started for Flash 2 more gates for Paralyze bunker in the natural for Flash robo for Paralyze +1 attack started for Flash
6:00 2 more gas for Paralyze another rax for Flash Factory for Flash 2 more gas for Flash
7:00 Twilight council for Paralyze observer for Paralyze Flash going up to his 3rd bunker at the natural ramp Robotics bay for Paralyze armory for Flash blink research started for Paralyze
8:00 Starport finishes for Flash 2nd ebay for Fash combat shields for Flash double medivac production beings for Flash
9:00 +2 attack, +1 armor started for Flash colossus on the way for Paralyze Flash moving out as his first 2 medivacs finish double forge for Paralyze Marauder production started for Flash 3rd CC started for Flash
10:00 2nd colossus started for Paralyze viking production started for Flash after he sees the first colossus 1-1 started for Paralyze 2 more rax for Flash 3 more gates for Paralyze Flash backs off to the watchtower
11:00 Extended thermal lance research started for Paralyze Concussive shells started for Flash 3rd base started for Paralyze +2 armor started for Flash charge research started for Paralyze
12:00 +3 attack started for Flash 2-2 started for Paralyze 2nd starport for Flash 2 more gates for Paralyze
13:00 Templar archives started for Paralyze Flash adding on more rax
14:00 8 vikings vs 3 colossi HTs are entering the map archons being added to the protoss army +1 ship weapons started for Flash ghost academy building for Flash quadruple medivac production for flash observer over flash's army is killed
15:00 armies engage at the base of Paralyze's ramp Flash kites back the zealots with his bio and the vikings start hitting the colossi Flash takes a 50 supply lead but Paralyze cleans up the vikings with 1 colossus still alive Flash backs off and regroups his army
16:00 4th base finishing up for Flash as he transfers scvs there Flash moving out to attack again Paralyze comes down his ramp to engage Flash starts spreading his army
17:00 Paralyze's smaller army stands no chance the last colossus and the archons all fall Flash pushes into the natural of Paralyze Flash is 100 supply ahead Paralyze ggs! Flash ties the match score at 2 with the victory!
On January 26 2013 14:08 YyapSsap wrote: Just curious but why didn't Paralyze use FFs to cut off half the army during that engagement? I dont think the zealots ever touched anything..
The biggest problem was actually chasing the bio ball and just ignoring all the vikings killing his colossus
On January 26 2013 13:45 figq wrote: Stop talking about storms. Brood lords have about a million HP. The point was Afrotoss had huge bank and warped in as many stalkers as he wished, so eventually all BLs were dead.
Why can't it be both?
Cuz the storms were not the essential thing here. The essential thing was protoss had huge bank. (+ protoss can produce units instantly in a burst without delay, so there's no time to retreat or anything)
This is stupid. Both were essential. And if you want to talk about unit production, Zerg has the best remax ability as well.
Not instant. We are talking about burst instant production without delay, so you can't retreat.
First of all, it isn't instant. And what I was trying to point out is that different races have different mechanics. Protoss has fastest reinforce time. Zerg has easier remax due to larvae.
Compared to zerg, it's instant. It's like having "haste""first strike" in Magic The Gathering. Yes, all races have specific advantages, just while people whine about zerg, they overlook their own advantages quite often.
On January 26 2013 14:08 ELlminator1 wrote: Every time I see flash play vs protoss he looks unbeatable. Always 1 sided games if he gets to macro.
He plays fairly greedy in TvP. So if the toss doesn't punish him for it, they are usually behind on Eco. And Flash's macro is so strong that he takes full advantage of the Eco advantage.
On January 26 2013 14:08 ELlminator1 wrote: Every time I see flash play vs protoss he looks unbeatable. Always 1 sided games if he gets to macro.
Pretty much, the best part of that game for me were the 3 safety bunkers. No more stupid losses like that MC game
Flash is also getting better with his early game push outs. In the past, he'd frequently lose several units to force fields with his first pressure for no reason, but that's not happening so much these days.
On January 26 2013 14:20 Aegeis wrote: oh wow this the venue looks filled, I was expecting Pro-league to start filling out around Round 3 but this is nice.
On January 26 2013 14:23 whirlpool wrote: wtf flash 3 cc vs toss
He understands it. Most people are afraid to go late with toss. Flash realizes most toss feel comfortable when their tech is unlocked so they are less likely to go for a cheese/allin/pressure. How often do people throw in the proxy robo or other interesting bust?
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 R2 Game 5: 2-2 Flash vs BeSt Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 Flash spawns in the bottom left BeSt spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for BeSt rax first for Flash
2:00 gas for BeSt quick wall off from Flash to deny scouting Cybernetics core for BeSt
3:00 zealot for BeSt CC for Flash on the high ground stalker for BeSt
4:00 3rd CC for Flash inside his main Nexus for BeSt 2nd rax for Flash
5:00 2nd gas for BeSt 2 more gates for BeSt double gas for Flash Flash lands his natural OC bunker in the natural for Flash
6:00 robo for BeSt Flash's marines walk out of the natural and pick off the stalker of BeSt tech lab for Flash stim research started for Flash
7:00 observer for BeSt 2 more gas for BeSt Factory for Flash 3rd gas for Flash 2nd bunker for Flash 4th gas for Flash double forge for BeSt
8:00 Robotics bay for BeSt 2nd observer for BeSt double ebay for Flash starport for Flash 1-1 started for BeSt 1-1 started for Flash
9:00 observer of BeSt scouts the 3rd CC and double ebays combat shields for Flash Colossus production started for BeSt 2 more rax for Flash marauder production started for Flash double medivac production started for Flash 3rd base started for BeSt Flash lands his 3rd OC Flash salvages his 3 bunkers
10:00 Twilight council for BeSt 2nd colossus for BeSt armory for Flash 3 more gates for BeSt viking production startedf or Flash Flash moving across the map with his first 2 medivacs forcefields trap part of Flash's bio and kill it off
I feel like they've improved a bunch lately, am I alone in this?
No, stop this. Stop saying am I alone in this or am I the only one. You just quoted a guy who said something in the same sentiment as yours, and then asked if you were alone in this. Many people will obviously agree that SNM and Whiplash have made good on their efforts to improve and their perseverance has paid off.
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 R2 Game 5: 2-2 Flash vs BeSt Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 Flash spawns in the bottom left BeSt spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for BeSt rax first for Flash
2:00 gas for BeSt quick wall off from Flash to deny scouting Cybernetics core for BeSt
3:00 zealot for BeSt CC for Flash on the high ground stalker for BeSt
4:00 3rd CC for Flash inside his main Nexus for BeSt 2nd rax for Flash
5:00 2nd gas for BeSt 2 more gates for BeSt double gas for Flash Flash lands his natural OC bunker in the natural for Flash
6:00 robo for BeSt Flash's marines walk out of the natural and pick off the stalker of BeSt tech lab for Flash stim research started for Flash
7:00 observer for BeSt 2 more gas for BeSt Factory for Flash 3rd gas for Flash 2nd bunker for Flash 4th gas for Flash double forge for BeSt
8:00 Robotics bay for BeSt 2nd observer for BeSt double ebay for Flash starport for Flash 1-1 started for BeSt 1-1 started for Flash
9:00 observer of BeSt scouts the 3rd CC and double ebays combat shields for Flash Colossus production started for BeSt 2 more rax for Flash marauder production started for Flash double medivac production started for Flash 3rd base started for BeSt Flash lands his 3rd OC Flash salvages his 3 bunkers
10:00 Twilight council for BeSt 2nd colossus for BeSt armory for Flash 3 more gates for BeSt viking production startedf or Flash Flash moving across the map with his first 2 medivacs forcefields trap part of Flash's bio and kill it off
11:00 2-2 started for BeSt Blink research started for BeSt 2-2 started for Flash 2nd starport for Fash
12:00 +1 ship weapons started for Flash Templar archives for BeSt 2 more gates for BeSt 3 more rax for Flash quadruple viking production for Flash
13:00 charge research started for BeSt HTs on the map 4th colossus on the way +3 armor started for BeSt
14:00 Flash is 40 supply ahead and looking to put on pressure ghost academy started for Flash +3 attack started for BeSt Flash moving to attack as 2-2 finishes observer over Flash's army is killed Flash stims in to attack
15:00 Flash kites back with his bio as vikings kill the colossi all the colossi fall Flash pulls ahead 60 supply after the fight
Its like these Protoss players go complete derp mode when fighting lategame vs FLash and let their Zealots get kited while their Colossi get destroyed.
On January 26 2013 14:31 Havik_ wrote: Its like these Protoss players go complete derp mode when fighting lategame vs FLash and let their Zealots get kited while their Colossi get destroyed.
What are they supposed to do?
Best definitely coulda used guardian shield I know that.
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 R2 Game 5: 2-2 Flash vs BeSt Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 Flash spawns in the bottom left BeSt spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for BeSt rax first for Flash
2:00 gas for BeSt quick wall off from Flash to deny scouting Cybernetics core for BeSt
3:00 zealot for BeSt CC for Flash on the high ground stalker for BeSt
4:00 3rd CC for Flash inside his main Nexus for BeSt 2nd rax for Flash
5:00 2nd gas for BeSt 2 more gates for BeSt double gas for Flash Flash lands his natural OC bunker in the natural for Flash
6:00 robo for BeSt Flash's marines walk out of the natural and pick off the stalker of BeSt tech lab for Flash stim research started for Flash
7:00 observer for BeSt 2 more gas for BeSt Factory for Flash 3rd gas for Flash 2nd bunker for Flash 4th gas for Flash double forge for BeSt
8:00 Robotics bay for BeSt 2nd observer for BeSt double ebay for Flash starport for Flash 1-1 started for BeSt 1-1 started for Flash
9:00 observer of BeSt scouts the 3rd CC and double ebays combat shields for Flash Colossus production started for BeSt 2 more rax for Flash marauder production started for Flash double medivac production started for Flash 3rd base started for BeSt Flash lands his 3rd OC Flash salvages his 3 bunkers
10:00 Twilight council for BeSt 2nd colossus for BeSt armory for Flash 3 more gates for BeSt viking production startedf or Flash Flash moving across the map with his first 2 medivacs forcefields trap part of Flash's bio and kill it off
11:00 2-2 started for BeSt Blink research started for BeSt 2-2 started for Flash 2nd starport for Fash
12:00 +1 ship weapons started for Flash Templar archives for BeSt 2 more gates for BeSt 3 more rax for Flash quadruple viking production for Flash
13:00 charge research started for BeSt HTs on the map 4th colossus on the way +3 armor started for BeSt
14:00 Flash is 40 supply ahead and looking to put on pressure ghost academy started for Flash +3 attack started for BeSt Flash moving to attack as 2-2 finishes observer over Flash's army is killed Flash stims in to attack
15:00 Flash kites back with his bio as vikings kill the colossi all the colossi fall Flash pulls ahead 60 supply after the fight
16:00 Flash regroups and goes in for another attack BeSt's army has no more aoe Flash is 70 supply ahead Flash attacks into the 3rd of BeSt some archons were morphing in but they are all killed probes at the 3rd are pulled to defend but killed
17:00 Flash attacks into the natural of BeSt another colossus comes out but Flash just stims forward and kills it Probes at the natural are cleaned up Flash is 130 supply ahead Flash targets down the natural nexus and regroups his army with his reinforcements BeSt ggs! Flash wins and puts KT Rolster ahead 3-2!
On January 26 2013 14:31 Havik_ wrote: Its like these Protoss players go complete derp mode when fighting lategame vs FLash and let their Zealots get kited while their Colossi get destroyed.
Well it's really hard to position your army so that your stalkers are shooting at the vikings without dying to the MM and that your colossus actually get some shots off.
I feel like they've improved a bunch lately, am I alone in this?
No, stop this. Stop saying am I alone in this or am I the only one. You just quoted a guy who said something in the same sentiment as yours, and then asked if you were alone in this. Many people will obviously agree that SNM and Whiplash have made good on their efforts to improve and their perseverance has paid off.
Hey now, he might have liked them all along while I couldn't stand them before
On January 26 2013 14:34 sharkeyanti wrote: So Flash dominated both those games because he sacrificed his Vikings to take out the Colossi. Is that something good Protosses fall to?
Flash had the lead economically and in supply, so sacrificing his vikings to take out the colossi was advantageous.
On January 26 2013 14:34 sharkeyanti wrote: So Flash dominated both those games because he sacrificed his Vikings to take out the Colossi. Is that something good Protosses fall to?
Flash's style isnt something i've seen that much though, cause he just builds like 4 medivacs and then just spams out vikings to suicide em and then rely on quite few stims to kill the rest of the protoss army
On January 26 2013 14:34 sharkeyanti wrote: So Flash dominated both those games because he sacrificed his Vikings to take out the Colossi. Is that something good Protosses fall to?
You're oversimplifying it. It's more his macro and how good flash's build lines up so he hits at a timing with a unit comp and upgrades that seems to crush collossus based compositions.
On January 26 2013 14:34 sharkeyanti wrote: So Flash dominated both those games because he sacrificed his Vikings to take out the Colossi. Is that something good Protosses fall to?
flash is abusing the protoss weakness to vikings that most protosses have at this timing due to their build
step 1) engage protoss army with your entire army
step 2) run away your bio, but leave vikings killing collossi
step 3) the stalkers kill all your vikings, BUt the vikings kill all the collossi. then you are left with bio which rapes gateway armies
step 4) because bio runs faster than collossi (collossi cannot get off shots) and because vikings are faster than collossi (collossi cant run away) this ENSURES that step 3 takes place. In the end you get a scenario where the collossi die without ever dealing any damage
the only way to protoss to really beat and counter this is to SLOWDOWN their tech to storm / templars and overproduce collossi and get 200food of stalker/collossi BEFORE even thinking about storm. Overproduce collossi so when the vikings sacrifice themself some collossi will survive, get 200food of stalkers so the stalkers kill the vikings quickly
best teched to templars too quickly, which is why he lost
On January 26 2013 14:34 sharkeyanti wrote: So Flash dominated both those games because he sacrificed his Vikings to take out the Colossi. Is that something good Protosses fall to?
Flash's style isnt something i've seen that much though, cause he just builds like 4 medivacs and then just spams out vikings to suicide em and then rely on quite few stims to kill the rest of the protoss army
Its just another point of him being reallll greedy lol. 3 cc, double upgrade, no units in beginning, not many medivacs mid game, it all points to him dying to early/midgame timing pushes, yet he survives somehow lol. People are too scared to all in him or something..
On January 26 2013 14:34 sharkeyanti wrote: So Flash dominated both those games because he sacrificed his Vikings to take out the Colossi. Is that something good Protosses fall to?
Flash's style isnt something i've seen that much though, cause he just builds like 4 medivacs and then just spams out vikings to suicide em and then rely on quite few stims to kill the rest of the protoss army
Scarecrow is on the money but protoss is a very powerunit heavy race. Remove those powerunits and everything melts.
I feel like they've improved a bunch lately, am I alone in this?
No, stop this. Stop saying am I alone in this or am I the only one. You just quoted a guy who said something in the same sentiment as yours, and then asked if you were alone in this. Many people will obviously agree that SNM and Whiplash have made good on their efforts to improve and their perseverance has paid off.
Hey now, he might have liked them all along while I couldn't stand them before
I'll try to be less of a jerk but I've seen this happen enough that it gets on my nerves. Anyone who's been on any Proleague LRs lately will clearly see that people have been hating on them left and right and this cast they've observed that SNM+Whiplash have improved, no questions about it really. I'm sure we're all glad this is happening.
On January 26 2013 14:34 sharkeyanti wrote: So Flash dominated both those games because he sacrificed his Vikings to take out the Colossi. Is that something good Protosses fall to?
It's more a question of when and where he engages. He sets things up so that he attacks before storm is ready and has a big enough viking cloud to quickly deal with 3-4 colossi. If the colossi die, then the loss of the vikings doesn't matter because Flash already had a supply lead going into the fight and bio beats gateway straight up. He also picks locations that give him plenty of room to kite.
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PartinG, who will be eligible to participate in Proleague starting from Round 4 will allow SK Telecom T1 to potentially have a vantage point over any other team in their race for the top spot.
On January 26 2013 14:34 sharkeyanti wrote: So Flash dominated both those games because he sacrificed his Vikings to take out the Colossi. Is that something good Protosses fall to?
flash is abusing the protoss weakness to vikings that most protosses have at this timing due to their build
step 1) engage protoss army with your entire army
step 2) run away your bio, but leave vikings killing collossi
step 3) the stalkers kill all your vikings, BUt the vikings kill all the collossi. then you are left with bio which rapes gateway armies
step 4) because bio runs faster than collossi (collossi cannot get off shots) and because vikings are faster than collossi (collossi cant run away) this ENSURES that step 3 takes place. In the end you get a scenario where the collossi die without ever dealing any damage
the only way to protoss to really beat and counter this is to SLOWDOWN their tech to storm / templars and overproduce collossi and get 200food of stalker/collossi BEFORE even thinking about storm. Overproduce collossi so when the vikings sacrifice themself some collossi will survive, get 200food of stalkers so the stalkers kill the vikings quickly
best teched to templars too quickly, which is why he lost
There's that, but this also has the added benefit that they need to over make Vikings making the inevitable Zealot, Templar warp in that much stronger. Best didn't have storm at all in that fight though.
On January 26 2013 14:34 sharkeyanti wrote: So Flash dominated both those games because he sacrificed his Vikings to take out the Colossi. Is that something good Protosses fall to?
flash is abusing the protoss weakness to vikings that most protosses have at this timing due to their build
step 1) engage protoss army with your entire army
step 2) run away your bio, but leave vikings killing collossi
step 3) the stalkers kill all your vikings, BUt the vikings kill all the collossi. then you are left with bio which rapes gateway armies
step 4) because bio runs faster than collossi (collossi cannot get off shots) and because vikings are faster than collossi (collossi cant run away) this ENSURES that step 3 takes place. In the end you get a scenario where the collossi die without ever dealing any damage
the only way to protoss to really beat and counter this is to SLOWDOWN their tech to storm / templars and overproduce collossi and get 200food of stalker/collossi BEFORE even thinking about storm. Overproduce collossi so when the vikings sacrifice themself some collossi will survive, get 200food of stalkers so the stalkers kill the vikings quickly
best teched to templars too quickly, which is why he lost
There's that, but this also has the added benefit that they need to over make Vikings making the inevitable Zealot, Templar warp in that much stronger. Best didn't have storm at all in that fight though.
i guess if the toss is super greedy and gets a ridic fast storm he can beat it too... pretty much the terran player needs to know when the templar archives go down then just attack at a timing when he knows storm is 20-30 seconds away
On January 26 2013 14:34 sharkeyanti wrote: So Flash dominated both those games because he sacrificed his Vikings to take out the Colossi. Is that something good Protosses fall to?
You're oversimplifying it. It's more his macro and how good flash's build lines up so he hits at a timing with a unit comp and upgrades that seems to crush collossus based compositions.
Agreed, I was oversimplifying. But when a player takes two similar engagements and ends up 40 supply ahead early in the game it seems curious. I guess if we see it a few more times from Flash against other PL people it'll mean something.
On January 26 2013 14:34 sharkeyanti wrote: So Flash dominated both those games because he sacrificed his Vikings to take out the Colossi. Is that something good Protosses fall to?
Flash's style isnt something i've seen that much though, cause he just builds like 4 medivacs and then just spams out vikings to suicide em and then rely on quite few stims to kill the rest of the protoss army
Scarecrow is on the money but protoss is a very powerunit heavy race. Remove those powerunits and everything melts.
His opponents are also playing into his builds a little. Paralyze made blink and colo before starting double forge as late as 10 minutes. He was getting blink expecting to either catch out Flash's army or if flash does a drop. Neither occured, so flash is ahead for free. Best is playing 3 gate > robo after expansion vs 1 rax 3 CC which is really what you want your opponent to do as Terran.
Though flash IS making 3 bunkers default so........... ok? Flash is well covered against a lot of angles.
And yes, if you can trade your vikings for his colossus without them shooting your bio that much, particularly if you have equal upgrades and P lacks templar, that's super duper good for Terran.
On January 26 2013 14:34 sharkeyanti wrote: So Flash dominated both those games because he sacrificed his Vikings to take out the Colossi. Is that something good Protosses fall to?
flash is abusing the protoss weakness to vikings that most protosses have at this timing due to their build
step 1) engage protoss army with your entire army
step 2) run away your bio, but leave vikings killing collossi
step 3) the stalkers kill all your vikings, BUt the vikings kill all the collossi. then you are left with bio which rapes gateway armies
step 4) because bio runs faster than collossi (collossi cannot get off shots) and because vikings are faster than collossi (collossi cant run away) this ENSURES that step 3 takes place. In the end you get a scenario where the collossi die without ever dealing any damage
the only way to protoss to really beat and counter this is to SLOWDOWN their tech to storm / templars and overproduce collossi and get 200food of stalker/collossi BEFORE even thinking about storm. Overproduce collossi so when the vikings sacrifice themself some collossi will survive, get 200food of stalkers so the stalkers kill the vikings quickly
best teched to templars too quickly, which is why he lost
Most Protoss get around this by using FFs so as to at least kill off some of the bio.
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 Game 6: 3-2 Flash vs Fantasy Map: Neo Bifrost
0:00 Flash spawns in the top right Fantasy spawns in the bottom left
1:30 gas first for Fantasy rax first for Flash rax for Fantasy
2:00 gas for Flash scv scout from Flash sees the gas before rax from Fantasy
3:00 Factory for Fantasy -- scouted by Flash's scv reactor for Fantasy reactor for Flash
4:00 CC for Flash single hellion started for Fantasy Starport for Fantasy proxied at the top of the map Factory for Flash reactored marine production for both players Fantasy continues making hellions
5:00 Medivac started for Fantasy marines of Fantasy rallying to the starport Reactored hellion production startedf ro Flash Starport for Flash 2 hellions some marines and a scv load into the medivac
Poll isn't going to be accurate because of the thread It's in.
It's bomber though.
I've seen both play, Flash has better macro.
And judging by your team icon, you aren't going to be slightly bias, right?
Team icon doesn't matter, Flash's macro is the best we've seen since Mvp was annihilating everyone back in 2011.
And who is to judge? Who is we? It is true that most people that follow PL (and likely BW) will say Flash just because he is Flash. Both players have outstanding macro and I think it would be hard to say that one is better than the other.
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 Game 6: 3-2 Flash vs Fantasy Map: Neo Bifrost
0:00 Flash spawns in the top right Fantasy spawns in the bottom left
1:30 gas first for Fantasy rax first for Flash rax for Fantasy
2:00 gas for Flash scv scout from Flash sees the gas before rax from Fantasy
3:00 Factory for Fantasy -- scouted by Flash's scv reactor for Fantasy reactor for Flash
4:00 CC for Flash single hellion started for Fantasy Starport for Fantasy proxied at the top of the map Factory for Flash reactored marine production for both players Fantasy continues making hellions
5:00 Medivac started for Fantasy marines of Fantasy rallying to the starport Reactored hellion production startedf ro Flash Starport for Flash 2 hellions some marines and a scv load into the medivac
6:00 drop in the natural of Flash bunker started in Flash's natural by Fantasy Flash moves up the ramp with his marines hellions and some scvs Fantasy has to lift his units the units drop in the main 2nd medivac full of marines and hellions drops in the main of Flash viking on the way for Fantasy viking out for Flash to kill the medivacs
7:00 Flashy takes a 10 supply lead Flash finally cleans up the attack but has lost 14 scvs Flash loses his viking to marines and Fantasy's viking
8:00 CC started for Fantasy in his natural Flash finds the proxy starport and starts hitting it with marines siege tank production started for Fantasy cloak research started for Flash's banshees bunker at the main choke for Fantasy ebay for Fantasy Flash cancels cloak and starts a viking
9:00 starport for Fantasy is killed by marines 2nd Factory started for Flash hellions moving around the back hallway for Fantasy but Flash has hellions waiting at the end so Fantasy turns around Raven started for Flash Starport restarted for Fantasy
10:00 Hellions of Fantasy get sandwiched in the side hallway by Flash's hellions Flash is ahead by 10 supply blue flame research started for Flash both players still making vikings
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 Game 6: 3-2 Flash vs Fantasy Map: Neo Bifrost
0:00 Flash spawns in the top right Fantasy spawns in the bottom left
1:30 gas first for Fantasy rax first for Flash rax for Fantasy
2:00 gas for Flash scv scout from Flash sees the gas before rax from Fantasy
3:00 Factory for Fantasy -- scouted by Flash's scv reactor for Fantasy reactor for Flash
4:00 CC for Flash single hellion started for Fantasy Starport for Fantasy proxied at the top of the map Factory for Flash reactored marine production for both players Fantasy continues making hellions
5:00 Medivac started for Fantasy marines of Fantasy rallying to the starport Reactored hellion production startedf ro Flash Starport for Flash 2 hellions some marines and a scv load into the medivac
6:00 drop in the natural of Flash bunker started in Flash's natural by Fantasy Flash moves up the ramp with his marines hellions and some scvs Fantasy has to lift his units the units drop in the main 2nd medivac full of marines and hellions drops in the main of Flash viking on the way for Fantasy viking out for Flash to kill the medivacs
7:00 Flashy takes a 10 supply lead Flash finally cleans up the attack but has lost 14 scvs Flash loses his viking to marines and Fantasy's viking
8:00 CC started for Fantasy in his natural Flash finds the proxy starport and starts hitting it with marines siege tank production started for Fantasy cloak research started for Flash's banshees bunker at the main choke for Fantasy ebay for Fantasy Flash cancels cloak and starts a viking
9:00 starport for Fantasy is killed by marines 2nd Factory started for Flash hellions moving around the back hallway for Fantasy but Flash has hellions waiting at the end so Fantasy turns around Raven started for Flash Starport restarted for Fantasy
10:00 Hellions of Fantasy get sandwiched in the side hallway by Flash's hellions Flash is ahead by 10 supply blue flame research started for Flash both players still making vikings
11:00 siege mode research started for Fantasy 3rd CC started for Flash armory for Flash Fantasy moving out as his 4th tank finishes
12:00 Flash scouts Fantasy's army moving out 3rd CC started for Fantasy vikings of Flash get the first volley on Fantasy's blue flame finishes and Flash's hellions go in for the attack there are enough hellions they are able to kill the marines and tanks Flash takes a 40 supply lead
13:00 banshee started for Flash as well as cloak +1 vehicle weapons started for Flash +1 bio attack started for Fantasy 2nd ebay for Fantasy 2 more rax for Fantasy 2nd banshee on the way for Fash Fantasy already has missilet urrets up another factory for Flash
14:00 hellions of Flash see no 3rd from Fantasy yet Flash massing hellions in the middle of the map (23 hellions)
15:00 Fantasy pushes out as his 4th tank finishes Flash scouts the move out Fantasy floating out his 3rd OC siege tank production started for Flash 4th base started for Flash
[SPL] KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1 Game 6: 3-2 Flash vs Fantasy Map: Neo Bifrost
0:00 Flash spawns in the top right Fantasy spawns in the bottom left
1:30 gas first for Fantasy rax first for Flash rax for Fantasy
2:00 gas for Flash scv scout from Flash sees the gas before rax from Fantasy
3:00 Factory for Fantasy -- scouted by Flash's scv reactor for Fantasy reactor for Flash
4:00 CC for Flash single hellion started for Fantasy Starport for Fantasy proxied at the top of the map Factory for Flash reactored marine production for both players Fantasy continues making hellions
5:00 Medivac started for Fantasy marines of Fantasy rallying to the starport Reactored hellion production startedf ro Flash Starport for Flash 2 hellions some marines and a scv load into the medivac
6:00 drop in the natural of Flash bunker started in Flash's natural by Fantasy Flash moves up the ramp with his marines hellions and some scvs Fantasy has to lift his units the units drop in the main 2nd medivac full of marines and hellions drops in the main of Flash viking on the way for Fantasy viking out for Flash to kill the medivacs
7:00 Flashy takes a 10 supply lead Flash finally cleans up the attack but has lost 14 scvs Flash loses his viking to marines and Fantasy's viking
8:00 CC started for Fantasy in his natural Flash finds the proxy starport and starts hitting it with marines siege tank production started for Fantasy cloak research started for Flash's banshees bunker at the main choke for Fantasy ebay for Fantasy Flash cancels cloak and starts a viking
9:00 starport for Fantasy is killed by marines 2nd Factory started for Flash hellions moving around the back hallway for Fantasy but Flash has hellions waiting at the end so Fantasy turns around Raven started for Flash Starport restarted for Fantasy
10:00 Hellions of Fantasy get sandwiched in the side hallway by Flash's hellions Flash is ahead by 10 supply blue flame research started for Flash both players still making vikings
11:00 siege mode research started for Fantasy 3rd CC started for Flash armory for Flash Fantasy moving out as his 4th tank finishes
12:00 Flash scouts Fantasy's army moving out 3rd CC started for Fantasy vikings of Flash get the first volley on Fantasy's blue flame finishes and Flash's hellions go in for the attack there are enough hellions they are able to kill the marines and tanks Flash takes a 40 supply lead
13:00 banshee started for Flash as well as cloak +1 vehicle weapons started for Flash +1 bio attack started for Fantasy 2nd ebay for Fantasy 2 more rax for Fantasy 2nd banshee on the way for Fash Fantasy already has missilet urrets up another factory for Flash
14:00 hellions of Flash see no 3rd from Fantasy yet Flash massing hellions in the middle of the map (23 hellions)
15:00 Fantasy pushes out as his 4th tank finishes Flash scouts the move out Fantasy floating out his 3rd OC siege tank production started for Flash 4th base started for Flash
16:00 Flash is 60 supply ahead Flash moving around the map with his hellion viking raven bansheef orce +1 armor finishes for Fantasy's bio +2 attack started for Fantasy 2nd armory finishes for Flash
17:00 2-1 vehicle upgrades started for Flash siege mode finishes for Flash 5th CC started for Flash stim finishes for Fantasy combat shields finishes for Fantasy Marauders being mixed in for Fantasy Flash pushing his siege line towards Fantasy's 3rd now that he has 6 tanks
18:00 banshees of Flash start harassing Fantasy's tanks pdd + vikings kill Fantasy's vikings Flash is maxed vs 148 supply banshees keep picking off tanks Fantasy loses all of his tanks to banshees
19:00 Flash starts 6 more CCs Flash goes in to attack at Fantasy's 3rd Fantasy's army is crushed Fantasy loses all of the scvs at his 3rd Flash kills the 3rd OC
20:00 triple drop in the main of Flash but Flash left some tanks at home Flash pushing into the main of Fantasy +2 armor started for Fantasy Flash sieges up Fantasy's production facilities 3 more factories startedf or Flash
21:00 Fantasy's drop is still doing some damage so Flash sends some tanks home Fantasy drops a marauder of Flash's tanks Fantasy ggs! Flash wins and KT Rolster takes the match 4-2!
Did really well with SKT and some of their players in my FPL Round 1. Decided to go with a lot of them again, and now I'm getting absolutely f***ed in Round 2.
Overall good casting, though it helps if I'm watching Flash. He can win by the most ridiculous of margins and still astound me just due to his solidness.
SNM could do without the, "X is ahead...oh, wow, Y caught up!" type of comments. For a myriad of reasons.
The real moment when Flash won the game was when he took down Fantasy's proxy starport, because Fantasy was going bio, and he didn't have the medivacs to support his initial push timing.
Flash had a strong advantage when his medivac push failed without doing much damage considering it was heavily invested and he sealed it when he lost his entire army to hellions and vikings
On January 26 2013 15:05 Lunareste wrote: Man Flash is so good.
SKTT1 needs Bisu now though. He's the hero T1 deserves....he's the hero T1 needs right now.
Yeah, with a 6 game losing streak, of course you deserve a hero who made 40 sentries in a single game
All I'm saying is that I miss Bisu ok?
I miss him too. I think he should switch to Terran, it fits with his playstyle better
Won't help if you ask me.
Artosis made a good point on SotG yesterday regarding Protoss players (why the top Protoss players may not be doing as well vs lower level Protoss players).
He said some Zerg players were doing great off of just mustalisk micro alone (and nothing else, little understanding of RTS, etc).
Basically different skill sets. Protoss from BW and Protoss in SC2 is much different (not to mention how the match ups plays out against each race is much different also).
Top P players may have gotten to the top with very specific skill sets which aren't present in SC2 (similar to the Mustalisk micro comparison).
So while Rain, etc (all mid level Protoss from BW) are doing great in SC2, it doesn't necessarily mean Bisu is doing bad is a lost hope as a player overall.
Well, we'll see in HotS. If Bisu is still bad, then he should definitely give race switching a try.
Of course I traded Flash thinking he'd get sniped by Fantasy. And SKT really proving why their cost was only 3. This FPL round cannot be over too soon. T_T
Scoring: KT +3 Rain +2 Action +3 Paralyze +2 Flash +8 all other KT players +1
On January 26 2013 15:05 Lunareste wrote: Man Flash is so good.
SKTT1 needs Bisu now though. He's the hero T1 deserves....he's the hero T1 needs right now.
Yeah, with a 6 game losing streak, of course you deserve a hero who made 40 sentries in a single game
All I'm saying is that I miss Bisu ok?
I miss him too. I think he should switch to Terran, it fits with his playstyle better
Won't help if you ask me.
Artosis made a good point on SotG yesterday regarding Protoss players (why the top Protoss players may not be doing as well vs lower level Protoss players).
He said some Zerg players were doing great off of just mustalisk micro alone (and nothing else, little understanding of RTS, etc).
Basically different skill sets. Protoss from BW and Protoss in SC2 is much different (not to mention how the match ups plays out against each race is much different also).
Top P players may have gotten to the top with very specific skill sets which aren't present in SC2 (similar to the Mustalisk micro comparison).
So while Rain, etc (all mid level Protoss from BW) are doing great in SC2, it doesn't necessarily mean Bisu is doing bad is a lost hope as a player overall.
Well, we'll see in HotS. If Bisu is still bad, then he should definitely give race switching a try.
I dunno about Rain being mid level protoss in BW he was on the rise and worked himself into the starting line up almost every single game. However I do agree that it is most likely a problem with different skillsets needed for Sc2
i feel saving rain to snipe flash is the key for SKT to win against KT
i think rain has the best chance against him. fantasy is a even game
i feel sending out fantasy first is actually smart. normally that would garuntee you start with 1-2 wins against the enemies non aces, then close out with rain
Why the hell are people bashing on Boxer in this thread? Losing streak or not, its really bad taste to bash someone who has done more for the Starcraft scene than anyone since.
On January 26 2013 17:10 zefreak wrote: Why the hell are people bashing on Boxer in this thread? Losing streak or not, its really bad taste to bash someone who has done more for the Starcraft scene than anyone since.
But those don't necessarily make him a good coach.
On January 26 2013 17:10 zefreak wrote: Why the hell are people bashing on Boxer in this thread? Losing streak or not, its really bad taste to bash someone who has done more for the Starcraft scene than anyone since.
But those don't necessarily make him a good coach.
Why do you think he should be fired? He has been in a Captain/Coaching role for so many years, and he developed some of the greatest players in the game in SKT. Boxer is the last person who should be fired from the team he, you know, was a founding member of.
Be honest, you don't know anything about the inside going's on in the team house regarding coaching or training. To denigrate someone like Boxer because of a losing streak is.. really dumb.
On January 26 2013 17:39 SenorChang wrote: fuck yea flash motherfucker
has SKT icon? aren't KT and SKT meant to be quite big rivals lol
There are a lot of SKT players that are fans of Flash. There are also a lot of KT/SKT fans that are fans of JD (who isn't?). I'm pretty sure no KT fan is a fan of Bisu.
On January 26 2013 17:39 SenorChang wrote: fuck yea flash motherfucker
has SKT icon? aren't KT and SKT meant to be quite big rivals lol
There are a lot of SKT players that are fans of Flash. There are also a lot of KT/SKT fans that are fans of JD (who isn't?). I'm pretty sure no KT fan is a fan of Bisu.
I was a Flash/Bisu fan for a while (back in 08). I stopped being a fan of Bisu once he stacked Group F of the Lost Saga MSL with Flash, Jaedong, Hwasin, and Firebathero. Cowardly move, robbed the fans of a Bo5 between Flash and Jaedong. Then he went on to handicap his own group with three "easy Zergs", after which karma proceeded to knock him out 1-2. Then he decided to bitch about the maps after losing in his own easy group--that he built himself--in his next interview. After that period, I just couldn't respect Bisu as a player anymore.
On January 26 2013 14:20 Aegeis wrote: oh wow this the venue looks filled, I was expecting Pro-league to start filling out around Round 3 but this is nice.
KT vs SKT will always draw a pretty big crowd :D
The SKT side was filled when the match started, but the KT side still had empty seats. I went to get some coffee in between match 2 and 3, and when i got back, all the seats were filled and there were people standing in the back of the room too. The atmosphere built up pretty quick.
On January 26 2013 17:10 zefreak wrote: Why the hell are people bashing on Boxer in this thread? Losing streak or not, its really bad taste to bash someone who has done more for the Starcraft scene than anyone since.
But those don't necessarily make him a good coach.
Why do you think he should be fired? He has been in a Captain/Coaching role for so many years, and he developed some of the greatest players in the game in SKT. Boxer is the last person who should be fired from the team he, you know, was a founding member of.
Be honest, you don't know anything about the inside going's on in the team house regarding coaching or training. To denigrate someone like Boxer because of a losing streak is.. really dumb.
At least many Koreans are calling Boxer's name now. DES even has an article saying that if SKT gets 6 loses, then Boxer would be an insult to the SKT.
SKT really don't seem to have done well in the all kill format this time around.
Also although I'm annoyed that SKT lost again (well not annoyed, more dissappointed), I'm actually as a Flash fan (oh god what am I saying as an SKT fan) glad that he beat Fantasy. Fantasy should seriously start meching in TvT, because every game I've seen of him other than on that Akanoid game that he won, he always seems to rely on the hellion, marine drop which always seems to fail and puts him far behind (although he did get 14 SCV kills, Flash was on 2 base) and he can't seem to ever recover from it.
He either wins with the drop or manages to force a base trade, outside of that his engagements are always really woeful against one of the good meching terrans as he always gets forced into bad ones. Flash completely destroyed him that game and I'm glad finally Flash is showing promise again in TvT
For the benefit of the guy who wants to see spoiler free vods. It's my thoughts on one of the later sets.
Just got home from a 12-hour, extremely stressful work day, but seeing these results just put a huge smile on my face and made my day. :D <3<3<3 Flash!
On January 27 2013 04:29 Rewera wrote: I'm considering buying subscription for SPL but cannot find anywhere for how long of time is this 4.9$. Any help?
Its 1 time only, you pay the 5 bucks and you are set all the way to the end.
Edit: right in case you dont know how long till it ends, i think its somewhere between july and august? i am not really sure but today they are finishing up round 2 out of 6, after which they still have the playoffs. So i am not sure about exact dates but there is a lot of content still coming out. easily worth it imo
On January 27 2013 04:29 Rewera wrote: I'm considering buying subscription for SPL but cannot find anywhere for how long of time is this 4.9$. Any help?
Its 1 time only, you pay the 5 bucks and you are set all the way to the end.
Edit: right in case you dont know how long till it ends, i think its somewhere between july and august? i am not really sure but today they are finishing up round 2 out of 6, after which they still have the playoffs. So i am not sure about exact dates but there is a lot of content still coming out. easily worth it imo
flash is really good. KT has a lot of good zergs and protosses so Flash gets a lot of practice in these matchups. Today was a good assurance that Flash's TvT is also up to standard. In the interview, he said he was able to get some help from Ryung, which undoubtedly helped a lot because the next best terran on KT is Mind, who hasn't been performing that well.
On January 27 2013 04:29 Rewera wrote: I'm considering buying subscription for SPL but cannot find anywhere for how long of time is this 4.9$. Any help?
Its 1 time only, you pay the 5 bucks and you are set all the way to the end.
Edit: right in case you dont know how long till it ends, i think its somewhere between july and august? i am not really sure but today they are finishing up round 2 out of 6, after which they still have the playoffs. So i am not sure about exact dates but there is a lot of content still coming out. easily worth it imo
Dang It! It is less than dollar per moth filled with games. If I only knew earlier. Why there isn't big fat teamliquid e-sports initiative to promote this?
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well played though
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