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I watched about half and then I had to go. Thought Fantasy was rolling his way through the group : ( What happened ? ;o
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On January 11 2013 00:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 00:04 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:23 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 23:09 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:07 AxionSteel wrote:On January 10 2013 22:59 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:53 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 22:49 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:45 liberate71 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:
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Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory. Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1. Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night. And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_- The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously. it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say. Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'? Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game. if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so. I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today. I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter. It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance. Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out? I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected more or less. Because players like Nestea and the legends from Code S like Mvp, MC, etc. are as well. They just earned their "brand" status in SC2, not in BW. And you're completely shitting on everything they've accomplished just to hype some players who don't manage to even get to the hardest league in the world, let alone do well there. Not saying that they might not get there or might not have the potential to make it there even right now. But they didn't.
well I guess I should have more respect to the legends then, sorry I'm disrespectful to the legends of SC2.
But, may I keep this attitude? I'll try to keep it to myself, and post only neat, politically correct stuff here. Make an example of a good forum user.
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On January 11 2013 00:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 00:04 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:23 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 23:09 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:07 AxionSteel wrote:On January 10 2013 22:59 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:53 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 22:49 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:45 liberate71 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:
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Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory. Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1. Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night. And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_- The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously. it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say. Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'? Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game. if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so. I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today. I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter. It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance. Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out? I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected more or less. Because players like Nestea and the legends from Code S like Mvp, MC, etc. are as well. They just earned their "brand" status in SC2, not in BW. And you're completely shitting on everything they've accomplished just to hype some players who don't manage to even get to the hardest league in the world, let alone do well there. Not saying that they might not get there or might not have the potential to make it there even right now. But they didn't. Saying that they only didn't make it because they don't care about it is devaluing both their effort and the success of those who did make it through.
A THOUSAND TIMES THIS! I can't believe I'm even responding to this debate.
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On January 11 2013 00:15 silent_owl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 00:04 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:23 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 23:09 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:07 AxionSteel wrote:On January 10 2013 22:59 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:53 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 22:49 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:45 liberate71 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:
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Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory. Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1. Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night. And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_- The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously. it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say. Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'? Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game. if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so. I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today. I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter. It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance. Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out? I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected. Even if they are a brand, they are PROFESSIONALS. And these stupid prioritization claims are EXCUSES that you are making on behalf of PROFESSIONAL GAMERS. I am a Kespa fan, my HEART will always favor Flash, JD, Fantasy AND EVEN BISU! Yes, they accomplished so much in the rich history of Brood War. But THIS IS NOT BROOD WAR. Other Kespa fans have come to terms with it, why can't you? Making stupid excuses only makes them look like amateurs who need scapegoats when they lose. They're pros, they lose, they live with it and they practice harder to get where they need to go. I can't speak for Huk and other foreign pros, but Nestea also lives in a structured practice environment WHICH UPGRADED ITS PRACTICE REGIMEN WHEN KESPA CAME IN! Nestea is a PROFESSIONAL! He may have been bad at BW but, THIS IS NOT BROOD WAR. I followed Flash's career, but my head will always think on different terms than my heart. I know how Fantasy can play too both in BW and in SC2. He's gotten far in SC2 and I wanted him to win. Well, he lost to Nestea who is an SC2 (YES, SC2) LEGEND.
you are a very good person, I should say
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On January 11 2013 00:15 Valikyr wrote:
I watched about half and then I had to go. Thought Fantasy was rolling his way through the group : ( What happened ? ;o
huk smashed him, after that he lost every game, like he was I LOST TO FOREIGN MY LIFE ENDS ^^ no idea but it really seems huks game destroyed his mentality
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A BW pro isn't used to losing to foreigners
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On January 11 2013 00:04 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:23 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 23:09 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:07 AxionSteel wrote:On January 10 2013 22:59 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:53 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 22:49 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:45 liberate71 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:34 X3GoldDot wrote:
i say this prioritization theory is bullshit, every player will try their hardest to play their best at whatever event, pride means more than it looks, also, bo1 is terrible but acceptable as OSL is aired on TV Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory. Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1. Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night. And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_- The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously. it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say. Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'? Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game. if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so. I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today. I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter. It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance. Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out? I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected.
Lol, and this is the EXACT reason why people call some of the BW fans elitists.
No one is stopping you from cheering for Fantasy, Flash, and JD, etc. but don't come here and start with the lame excuses. It is a disservice to all the players including Fantasy.
You can't expect to come here and say 'Flash macro so good!!! Best macro ever' when they win and then say 'they don't care about GSL' when they lose.
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fuck, I understood that I am wrong and bad.
that was stupid
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On January 11 2013 00:04 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:23 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 23:09 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:07 AxionSteel wrote:On January 10 2013 22:59 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:53 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 22:49 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:45 liberate71 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:34 X3GoldDot wrote:
i say this prioritization theory is bullshit, every player will try their hardest to play their best at whatever event, pride means more than it looks, also, bo1 is terrible but acceptable as OSL is aired on TV Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory. Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1. Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night. And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_- The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously. it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say. Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'? Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game. if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so. I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today. I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter. It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance. Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out? I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected.
Man, you ignore the literally FACT, that most KeSPA Players constantly get owned by top-tier eSF Players.
How on earth can you mention the achievments of Flash, JD and Fantasy without taking note of Nestea beeing one of the greatest SC2 players EVER!
Nestea, MVP, Marineking, Leenock, THESE are brands. BW is over, everyone has to show his skill in SC2, day after day after day.
HuK got stomped and bashed for lack of results, so all non performing KeSPA-players will too.
There are a few KeSPA players that can keep up with the top eSF guys if they get more expirience in the kind of challenge the GSL is. But they are few and i dont know if fantasy belongs to them.
Bogus, Rain, Effort, JD, Baby, Flash, maybe Fantasy, maybe sOo, maybe, maybe, maybe.....
The REAL problem of the KeSPA thing is, that ALL BW-Fans expected the KeSPA-players to ROFLSTOMP anyone in the GSL, at least after a short time of practice. But this did not happen, they have been totally wrong...
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On January 11 2013 00:17 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 00:15 silent_owl wrote:On January 11 2013 00:04 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:23 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 23:09 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:07 AxionSteel wrote:On January 10 2013 22:59 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:53 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 22:49 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:45 liberate71 wrote:
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Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1. Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night. And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_- The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously. it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say. Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'? Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game. if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so. I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today. I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter. It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance. Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out? I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected. Even if they are a brand, they are PROFESSIONALS. And these stupid prioritization claims are EXCUSES that you are making on behalf of PROFESSIONAL GAMERS. I am a Kespa fan, my HEART will always favor Flash, JD, Fantasy AND EVEN BISU! Yes, they accomplished so much in the rich history of Brood War. But THIS IS NOT BROOD WAR. Other Kespa fans have come to terms with it, why can't you? Making stupid excuses only makes them look like amateurs who need scapegoats when they lose. They're pros, they lose, they live with it and they practice harder to get where they need to go. I can't speak for Huk and other foreign pros, but Nestea also lives in a structured practice environment WHICH UPGRADED ITS PRACTICE REGIMEN WHEN KESPA CAME IN! Nestea is a PROFESSIONAL! He may have been bad at BW but, THIS IS NOT BROOD WAR. I followed Flash's career, but my head will always think on different terms than my heart. I know how Fantasy can play too both in BW and in SC2. He's gotten far in SC2 and I wanted him to win. Well, he lost to Nestea who is an SC2 (YES, SC2) LEGEND. you are a very good person, I should say
Lol. Well, Nestea did apparently lose to Fantasy. My mistake but this debate just tires me out. Let's honor the Kespa players by admitting where they are and where they are not failing. We all know where they CAN GET TO.
The best Kespa players are already putting in the effort. As Kespa fans, we need to BE PATIENT, WAIT and BELIEVE in the players we love.
I don't mean to sound angry and I understand I may be getting too emotional but we need to stop making excuses and just wait and believe on our favorite players' work ethics and talent to come through IN TIME.
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HuK showing Grubby how to win some games, apparently.
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On January 11 2013 00:22 silent_owl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 00:17 letian wrote:On January 11 2013 00:15 silent_owl wrote:On January 11 2013 00:04 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:23 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 23:09 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:07 AxionSteel wrote:On January 10 2013 22:59 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:53 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 22:49 Caihead wrote:
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How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1. Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night. And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_- The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously. it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say. Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'? Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game. if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so. I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today. I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter. It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance. Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out? I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected. Even if they are a brand, they are PROFESSIONALS. And these stupid prioritization claims are EXCUSES that you are making on behalf of PROFESSIONAL GAMERS. I am a Kespa fan, my HEART will always favor Flash, JD, Fantasy AND EVEN BISU! Yes, they accomplished so much in the rich history of Brood War. But THIS IS NOT BROOD WAR. Other Kespa fans have come to terms with it, why can't you? Making stupid excuses only makes them look like amateurs who need scapegoats when they lose. They're pros, they lose, they live with it and they practice harder to get where they need to go. I can't speak for Huk and other foreign pros, but Nestea also lives in a structured practice environment WHICH UPGRADED ITS PRACTICE REGIMEN WHEN KESPA CAME IN! Nestea is a PROFESSIONAL! He may have been bad at BW but, THIS IS NOT BROOD WAR. I followed Flash's career, but my head will always think on different terms than my heart. I know how Fantasy can play too both in BW and in SC2. He's gotten far in SC2 and I wanted him to win. Well, he lost to Nestea who is an SC2 (YES, SC2) LEGEND. you are a very good person, I should say Lol. Well, Nestea did apparently lose to Fantasy. My mistake but this debate just tires me out. Let's honor the Kespa players by admitting where they are and where they are not failing. We all know where they CAN GET TO. The best Kespa players are already putting in the effort. As Kespa fans, we need to BE PATIENT, WAIT and BELIEVE in the players we love. I don't mean to sound angry and I understand I may be getting too emotional but we need to stop making excuses and just wait and believe on our favorite players' work ethics and talent to come through IN TIME.
fckk, I know, freaking emotions make you look blind and stupid. I am often like that, damn
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On January 11 2013 00:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
HuK showing Grubby how to win some games, apparently.
Man, I feel bad for Grubby. He'll learn though. Good job by Huk. Showing his class and rising up from a bad era in his SC2 career.
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And I honestly believe that, especially with HotS coming out, the player pool will mix a lot more. These Kespa players definitely have the mechanics, the talent and as far as I know they're putting the time into it to really close the gap. Some are almost there already and can definitely take series off the best players.
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On January 11 2013 00:24 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 00:22 silent_owl wrote:On January 11 2013 00:17 letian wrote:On January 11 2013 00:15 silent_owl wrote:On January 11 2013 00:04 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:23 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 23:09 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:07 AxionSteel wrote:On January 10 2013 22:59 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:53 vthree wrote:
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Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night. And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_- The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously. it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say. Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'? Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game. if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so. I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today. I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter. It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance. Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out? I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected. Even if they are a brand, they are PROFESSIONALS. And these stupid prioritization claims are EXCUSES that you are making on behalf of PROFESSIONAL GAMERS. I am a Kespa fan, my HEART will always favor Flash, JD, Fantasy AND EVEN BISU! Yes, they accomplished so much in the rich history of Brood War. But THIS IS NOT BROOD WAR. Other Kespa fans have come to terms with it, why can't you? Making stupid excuses only makes them look like amateurs who need scapegoats when they lose. They're pros, they lose, they live with it and they practice harder to get where they need to go. I can't speak for Huk and other foreign pros, but Nestea also lives in a structured practice environment WHICH UPGRADED ITS PRACTICE REGIMEN WHEN KESPA CAME IN! Nestea is a PROFESSIONAL! He may have been bad at BW but, THIS IS NOT BROOD WAR. I followed Flash's career, but my head will always think on different terms than my heart. I know how Fantasy can play too both in BW and in SC2. He's gotten far in SC2 and I wanted him to win. Well, he lost to Nestea who is an SC2 (YES, SC2) LEGEND. you are a very good person, I should say Lol. Well, Nestea did apparently lose to Fantasy. My mistake but this debate just tires me out. Let's honor the Kespa players by admitting where they are and where they are not failing. We all know where they CAN GET TO. The best Kespa players are already putting in the effort. As Kespa fans, we need to BE PATIENT, WAIT and BELIEVE in the players we love. I don't mean to sound angry and I understand I may be getting too emotional but we need to stop making excuses and just wait and believe on our favorite players' work ethics and talent to come through IN TIME. fckk, I know, freaking emotions make you look blind and stupid. I am often like that, damn
Lol. You getting funniez.
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Huk only got second place in one of the hardest groups? CURSED 
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On January 10 2013 03:13 DJHelium wrote:
What is up?
I'M NESTEAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
5-0.
WHAT WAS UP!?
Missed the games, glad to see him do well. Did Nestea dominate?
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On January 11 2013 00:31 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 03:13 DJHelium wrote:
What is up?
I'M NESTEAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
5-0. WHAT WAS UP!? Missed the games, glad to see him do well. Did Nestea dominate?
Not as hard as the results suggest but he played fairly well compared to his recent performances. He presented Center with 30 banelings, then killed his whole army with 30 more banelings, haha.
He played pretty well vs Fantasy at first and then proceeded to have horrible lategame and lost the game.
He held a (pretty bad) 4gate from finale and I didn't see the game vs Huk but I think he held another gateway all in because huk move commanded sentries.
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On January 11 2013 00:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:Huk only got second place in one of the hardest groups? CURSED
....the hardest groups?
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