On January 10 2013 22:34 X3GoldDot wrote: i say this prioritization theory is bullshit, every player will try their hardest to play their best at whatever event, pride means more than it looks, also, bo1 is terrible but acceptable as OSL is aired on TV
Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory.
Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol
How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1.
Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night.
And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_-
On January 10 2013 22:57 dustinth wrote: Finally, SPL is proved to be a low level league instead of PRO-league. As a fan of SPL for a lot of years, I would not watch this game anymore until it's proved to be the best league with best players.
Because Huk does so well in proleague -.- you can't really draw much from this.
With NesTea advancing to Code S today he will join Mvp, MarineKing, Leenock, and MC as the only players to take part in the first and last Wings of Liberty Code S
On January 10 2013 23:04 amazingoopah wrote: top 2 control from Huk... is he the first foreigner to make it on merit to code s? or did Naniwa make it, dont' remember
Huk made it to Code S once through the up and downs in the old format. Mana did it once in the current format. It depends on what you define as their own merit though as both were seeded into the up and down matches.
Kind of funny to see Flash go 3-2 in a more difficult group and not even get a wildcard, whilst Huk goes 3-2 in the easiest group and gets a code S spot. The Flash fanboy in me is crying haha Anyway, grats to Huk for pwning it up hopefully he can get back to his former self.
On January 10 2013 22:34 X3GoldDot wrote: i say this prioritization theory is bullshit, every player will try their hardest to play their best at whatever event, pride means more than it looks, also, bo1 is terrible but acceptable as OSL is aired on TV
Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory.
Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol
How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1.
Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night.
And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_-
The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously.
On January 10 2013 22:34 X3GoldDot wrote: i say this prioritization theory is bullshit, every player will try their hardest to play their best at whatever event, pride means more than it looks, also, bo1 is terrible but acceptable as OSL is aired on TV
Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory.
Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol
How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1.
Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night.
And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_-
The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously.
it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say.
On January 10 2013 23:04 amazingoopah wrote: top 2 control from Huk... is he the first foreigner to make it on merit to code s? or did Naniwa make it, dont' remember
He is... But he did it almost two years ago beating coming from code A and beating MMA actually if I recall in the up downs.
Mana made it from up downs to Code S a few seasons ago.
On January 10 2013 22:57 dustinth wrote: Finally, SPL is proved to be a low level league instead of PRO-league. As a fan of SPL for a lot of years, I would not watch this game anymore until it's proved to be the best league with best players.
Because Huk does so well in proleague -.- you can't really draw much from this.
I agree with this. I think that basically team leagues gives a less clear image of someone skill, I still think PL has great players who have been playing SC2 for only about 8 months for most of them. PL is also enjoyable as being different, with kinda funny maps also.
On January 10 2013 23:04 amazingoopah wrote: top 2 control from Huk... is he the first foreigner to make it on merit to code s? or did Naniwa make it, dont' remember
He is... But he did it almost two years ago beating coming from code A and beating MMA actually if I recall in the up downs.
Mana made it from up downs to Code S a few seasons ago.
Yeah but he was invited to code A. No foreigner ever qualified from code B :D.
On January 10 2013 22:39 Zealgoon wrote: I've never thought that Jaedong would be the last hope of KeSPA.
IT IS NOW UP TO YOU TO DEFEND THE GLORY OF KESPA, O MY TYRANT. WILL YOU MAKE IT?
Soulkey, Bogus and Roro are all Code S
Baby too.
JD can't be the " last hope of kespa " anyway, he joined EG and is training at the EG house. He may be a brood war legend but he's not practicing on a kespa team, he doesn't represent them anymore.
Did he really "join" EG? I think it's just a 1 year loan, so he's still technically a KeSPA player.
And by "last hope of KeSPA" I meant he's the only KeSPA player who still has a chance of getting through the U&D.
Trust me that there's no way Jaedong will be going back to Kespa when his contract is over, they can't force him. He has more freedom on EG + is making more money on EG. If he was on a Kespa team he wouldn't be able to go to events like the HyperX tournament and win $7000 for two days of work like he did yesterday.
By then there might not even be a Kespa to go back to if Proleague and OSL don't succeed this year.
I know. I just don't want to accept that. >_>
After all the years I've kind of get attached to KeSPA, even though I know that's pretty retarded. And Jaedong is too old anyway -- even if he manage to get into Code S tomorrow, he'd probably just get knock out in the first round like the last time. Argh... I really should give up on him now, but I can't. I guess this is what fanboyism is about then...
On January 10 2013 23:05 Shellshock1122 wrote: With NesTea advancing to Code S today he will join Mvp, MarineKing, Leenock, and MC as the only players to take part in the first and last Wings of Liberty Code S
On January 10 2013 23:04 amazingoopah wrote: top 2 control from Huk... is he the first foreigner to make it on merit to code s? or did Naniwa make it, dont' remember
Huk made it to Code S once through the up and downs in the old format. Mana did it once in the current format. It depends on what you define as their own merit though as both were seeded into the up and down matches.
HuK actually made it through Code A, into the up downs (beating Coca and... I think Leenock actually? Before Losira took him out. I think. Then he beat MMA in the updowns. Something like that at least. Think it was GSL February 2011)
On January 10 2013 23:04 amazingoopah wrote: top 2 control from Huk... is he the first foreigner to make it on merit to code s? or did Naniwa make it, dont' remember
He is... But he did it almost two years ago beating coming from code A and beating MMA actually if I recall in the up downs.
Mana made it from up downs to Code S a few seasons ago.
Yeah but he was invited to code A. No foreigner ever qualified from code B :D.
Some got close though, I think Huk got close last season and TLO was one game away two seasons ago.
On January 10 2013 22:57 dustinth wrote: Finally, SPL is proved to be a low level league instead of PRO-league. As a fan of SPL for a lot of years, I would not watch this game anymore until it's proved to be the best league with best players.
Because Huk does so well in proleague -.- you can't really draw much from this.
I agree with this. I think that basically team leagues gives a less clear image of someone skill, I still think PL has great players who have been playing SC2 for only about 8 months for most of them. PL is also enjoyable as being different, with kinda funny maps also.
I don't think BO1 round robins give a clear indication of someones skill either.
haha Huk, okay getting Kespa player off guard isn't hard. But congrats. I doubt Kespa players are allowed to prepare for the GSL to much, when Kespa tournaments are running where they could be still put in. The map difference is also a factor. But if a few ESF player do well in Kespa individual stuff, then their plan will backfire. Of course I am just being paranoid. But on a more serious note I doubt they can choose for what they prepare the most. So it is not their fault that they play so bad in the GSL.
PS: kespa stuff has also BO1 stuff everywhere, so as a kespa fan I wouldn't complain about that.
On January 10 2013 23:05 Shellshock1122 wrote: With NesTea advancing to Code S today he will join Mvp, MarineKing, Leenock, and MC as the only players to take part in the first and last Wings of Liberty Code S
On January 10 2013 23:04 amazingoopah wrote: top 2 control from Huk... is he the first foreigner to make it on merit to code s? or did Naniwa make it, dont' remember
Huk made it to Code S once through the up and downs in the old format. Mana did it once in the current format. It depends on what you define as their own merit though as both were seeded into the up and down matches.
HuK actually made it through Code A, into the up downs (beating Coca and... I think Leenock actually? Before Losira took him out. I think. Then he beat MMA in the updowns. Something like that at least. Think it was GSL February 2011)
Yeah I said he made it through the old format which is what you were talking about. Back when it was top 8 Code A vs 3rd place in Code S ro32 and loser vs 4th place in Code S ro32
On January 10 2013 23:04 amazingoopah wrote: top 2 control from Huk... is he the first foreigner to make it on merit to code s? or did Naniwa make it, dont' remember
He is... But he did it almost two years ago beating coming from code A and beating MMA actually if I recall in the up downs.
Mana made it from up downs to Code S a few seasons ago.
Yeah but he was invited to code A. No foreigner ever qualified from code B :D.
Some got close though, I think Huk got close last season and TLO was one game away two seasons ago.
Huk, TLO, and DeathAngel have all made the finals of a qualifier. I think Sase and Jinro have both made semis
On January 10 2013 22:34 X3GoldDot wrote: i say this prioritization theory is bullshit, every player will try their hardest to play their best at whatever event, pride means more than it looks, also, bo1 is terrible but acceptable as OSL is aired on TV
Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory.
Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol
How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1.
Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night.
And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_-
The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously.
I'm not excusing Flash's comparatively bad play in GSL that day, I am in fact admitting to them. Look at the games themselves before commenting :/
On January 10 2013 22:57 dustinth wrote: Finally, SPL is proved to be a low level league instead of PRO-league. As a fan of SPL for a lot of years, I would not watch this game anymore until it's proved to be the best league with best players.
Because Huk does so well in proleague -.- you can't really draw much from this.
I agree with this. I think that basically team leagues gives a less clear image of someone skill, I still think PL has great players who have been playing SC2 for only about 8 months for most of them. PL is also enjoyable as being different, with kinda funny maps also.
I don't think BO1 round robins give a clear indication of someones skill either.
Agreed, they don't. The only thing that somewhat does is that in Ups/Downs you can't prepare as specifically for a race, map or player. But yeah, no form of Bo1s really show a player's true skill imo.
On January 10 2013 23:13 FeyFey wrote: haha Huk, okay getting Kespa player off guard isn't hard. But congrats. I doubt Kespa players are allowed to prepare for the GSL to much, when Kespa tournaments are running where they could be still put in. The map difference is also a factor. But if a few ESF player do well in Kespa individual stuff, then their plan will backfire. Of course I am just being paranoid. But on a more serious note I doubt they can choose for what they prepare the most. So it is not their fault that they play so bad in the GSL.
Some of them have the potential to make it through and just didn't play well enough on that specific day or didn't prepare enough, but most of them are actually just not good enough. Flying, bbyong and Trap are not worthy of Code S.
EPT
NesTea advancing to Code S today he will join 
Mvp, 
MC as the only players to take part in the first and last Wings of Liberty Code S
Anyway, grats to Huk for pwning it up hopefully he can get back to his former self. 
