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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On January 10 2013 23:16 Sumahi wrote: Man, seeing July come back would be so awesome. Choya recently took a game in a teamleague, don't know which one or against who but who cares? Choya on his way back. Now we just need Hongun & BitByBit | ||
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Zer atai
United States691 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On January 10 2013 23:09 letian wrote: it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say. Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'? Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game. | ||
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Toxi78
966 Posts
On January 10 2013 23:20 DarkLordOlli wrote: Choya recently took a game in a teamleague, don't know which one or against who but who cares? Choya on his way back. Now we just need Hongun & BitByBit choya took a game off jaedong, let me quote incontrol "the one some are calling the best zerg on the planet right now". | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On January 10 2013 23:27 Toxi78 wrote: choya took a game off jaedong, let me quote incontrol "the one some are calling the best zerg on the planet right now". I was seriously angry when I heard that, I really don't understand the need to hype using absolutely false information | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
On January 10 2013 23:35 mordk wrote: I was seriously angry when I heard that, I really don't understand the need to hype using absolutely false information Incontrol uses that phrase too liberally. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On January 10 2013 23:38 sparklyresidue wrote: Incontrol uses that phrase too liberally. and I guess technically, if a handful of JD fans think he is, then the phrase isnt incorrect ;O | ||
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ramon
Germany4842 Posts
On January 10 2013 22:48 00Visor wrote: How is that bad for 14 games with this outcome? I got 8 wrong ... I got everything correct yesterday and missed todays votes  | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
On January 10 2013 23:40 liberate71 wrote: and I guess technically, if a handful of JD fans think he is, then the phrase isnt incorrect ;O I just meant "on the planet". | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
Get real. Whether or not they prioritize the GSL is no excuse. I'm a huge Kespa fan but I've come to terms with the fact that not all of them will be good at this game and that they need to work hard on catching up with these eSF players. They're PROS and they don't give any of this "prioritizing PL" to the public. The public should stop making excuses for them. Fantasy is a good player, was a great BW player but lost this Up&Down group at 4th place. No excuses. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On January 10 2013 23:13 Shellshock1122 wrote: Yeah I said he made it through the old format which is what you were talking about. Back when it was top 8 Code A vs 3rd place in Code S ro32 and loser vs 4th place in Code S ro32 Huk, TLO, and DeathAngel have all made the finals of a qualifier. I think Sase and Jinro have both made semis MacSed made finals too (lost 1-2 to Vampire) | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On January 10 2013 22:19 letian wrote: some good PL players were bad in OSL. What do they know about GSL? The fuck is it? Now we have the results of the second season where none PL player is present, if it is just the low skill, then one should be blind to say so. PL matches are levels above today's games. U&D games are always scrappy, while PL games only look good because the level of players involved is equally low or mid-tier. The Code S games are ten times as good as those in PL, and if you look closely you will see the myriad of mistakes KeSPA players make in PL games, that only go through because their opponent can't take advantage of it. This obviously doesn't apply to all KeSPA players, but most of them can't play at Code S level, and are far from it. And note that I like PL, I always watch it, I also like a lot of the BW pros, but you've got to recognize reality. | ||
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zeratul_jf
United States808 Posts
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On January 10 2013 23:54 mordk wrote: U&D games are always scrappy, while PL games only look good because the level of players involved is equally low or mid-tier. The Code S games are ten times as good as those in PL, and if you look closely you will see the myriad of mistakes KeSPA players make in PL games, that only go through because their opponent can't take advantage of it. This obviously doesn't apply to all KeSPA players, but most of them can't play at Code S level, and are far from it. And note that I like PL, I always watch it, I also like a lot of the BW pros, but you've got to recognize reality. This. | ||
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Bjarne
Germany192 Posts
On January 10 2013 22:39 Zealgoon wrote: I've never thought that Jaedong would be the last hope of KeSPA. IT IS NOW UP TO YOU TO DEFEND THE GLORY OF KESPA, O MY TYRANT. WILL YOU MAKE IT? Dont forget Soulkey, Innovation, Baby and RorO, which are already in Code S... | ||
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GoSuChicken
Germany1726 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On January 10 2013 23:23 vthree wrote: Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'? Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game. if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so. I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today. I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter. It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance. Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out? I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On January 11 2013 00:04 letian wrote: if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so. I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today. I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter. It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance. Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out? I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected more or less. Because players like Nestea and the legends from Code S like Mvp, MC, etc. are as well. They just earned their "brand" status in SC2, not in BW. And you're completely shitting on everything they've accomplished just to hype some players who don't manage to even get to the hardest league in the world, let alone do well there. Not saying that they might not get there or might not have the potential to make it there even right now. But they didn't. Saying that they only didn't make it because they don't care about it is devaluing both their effort and the success of those who did make it through. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On January 10 2013 23:54 mordk wrote: U&D games are always scrappy, while PL games only look good because the level of players involved is equally low or mid-tier. The Code S games are ten times as good as those in PL, and if you look closely you will see the myriad of mistakes KeSPA players make in PL games, that only go through because their opponent can't take advantage of it. This obviously doesn't apply to all KeSPA players, but most of them can't play at Code S level, and are far from it. And note that I like PL, I always watch it, I also like a lot of the BW pros, but you've got to recognize reality. this argument sounds logical, yes. though it is disappointing | ||
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silent_owl
Philippines3098 Posts
On January 11 2013 00:04 letian wrote: if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so. I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today. I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter. It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance. Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out? I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected. Even if they are a brand, they are PROFESSIONALS. And these stupid prioritization claims are EXCUSES that you are making on behalf of PROFESSIONAL GAMERS. I am a Kespa fan, my HEART will always favor Flash, JD, Fantasy AND EVEN BISU! Yes, they accomplished so much in the rich history of Brood War. But THIS IS NOT BROOD WAR. Other Kespa fans have come to terms with it, why can't you? Making stupid excuses only makes them look like amateurs who need scapegoats when they lose. They're pros, they lose, they live with it and they practice harder to get where they need to go. I can't speak for Huk and other foreign pros, but Nestea also lives in a structured practice environment WHICH UPGRADED ITS PRACTICE REGIMEN WHEN KESPA CAME IN! Nestea is a PROFESSIONAL! He may have been bad at BW but, THIS IS NOT BROOD WAR. I followed Flash's career, but my head will always think on different terms than my heart. I know how Fantasy can play too both in BW and in SC2. He's gotten far in SC2 and I wanted him to win. Well, he lost to Nestea who is an SC2 (YES, SC2) LEGEND. | ||
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