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On January 10 2013 23:16 Sumahi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:50 forsooth wrote:
Huk and Nestea? Old school night at the GSL. If this keeps up we'll see July and Choya back at some point. Man, seeing July come back would be so awesome.
Choya recently took a game in a teamleague, don't know which one or against who but who cares? Choya on his way back. Now we just need Hongun & BitByBit
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The foreigner hope has returned
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On January 10 2013 23:09 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:07 AxionSteel wrote:On January 10 2013 22:59 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:53 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 22:49 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:45 liberate71 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:34 X3GoldDot wrote:
i say this prioritization theory is bullshit, every player will try their hardest to play their best at whatever event, pride means more than it looks, also, bo1 is terrible but acceptable as OSL is aired on TV Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory. Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1. Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night. And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_- The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously. it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say.
Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'?
Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game.
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On January 10 2013 23:20 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:16 Sumahi wrote:On January 10 2013 22:50 forsooth wrote:
Huk and Nestea? Old school night at the GSL. If this keeps up we'll see July and Choya back at some point. Man, seeing July come back would be so awesome. Choya recently took a game in a teamleague, don't know which one or against who but who cares? Choya on his way back. Now we just need Hongun & BitByBit
choya took a game off jaedong, let me quote incontrol "the one some are calling the best zerg on the planet right now".
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On January 10 2013 23:27 Toxi78 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:20 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 10 2013 23:16 Sumahi wrote:On January 10 2013 22:50 forsooth wrote:
Huk and Nestea? Old school night at the GSL. If this keeps up we'll see July and Choya back at some point. Man, seeing July come back would be so awesome. Choya recently took a game in a teamleague, don't know which one or against who but who cares? Choya on his way back. Now we just need Hongun & BitByBit choya took a game off jaedong, let me quote incontrol "the one some are calling the best zerg on the planet right now".
I was seriously angry when I heard that, I really don't understand the need to hype using absolutely false information
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On January 10 2013 23:35 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:27 Toxi78 wrote:On January 10 2013 23:20 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 10 2013 23:16 Sumahi wrote:On January 10 2013 22:50 forsooth wrote:
Huk and Nestea? Old school night at the GSL. If this keeps up we'll see July and Choya back at some point. Man, seeing July come back would be so awesome. Choya recently took a game in a teamleague, don't know which one or against who but who cares? Choya on his way back. Now we just need Hongun & BitByBit choya took a game off jaedong, let me quote incontrol "the one some are calling the best zerg on the planet right now". I was seriously angry when I heard that, I really don't understand the need to hype using absolutely false information
Incontrol uses that phrase too liberally.
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On January 10 2013 23:38 sparklyresidue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:35 mordk wrote:On January 10 2013 23:27 Toxi78 wrote:On January 10 2013 23:20 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 10 2013 23:16 Sumahi wrote:On January 10 2013 22:50 forsooth wrote:
Huk and Nestea? Old school night at the GSL. If this keeps up we'll see July and Choya back at some point. Man, seeing July come back would be so awesome. Choya recently took a game in a teamleague, don't know which one or against who but who cares? Choya on his way back. Now we just need Hongun & BitByBit choya took a game off jaedong, let me quote incontrol "the one some are calling the best zerg on the planet right now". I was seriously angry when I heard that, I really don't understand the need to hype using absolutely false information Incontrol uses that phrase too liberally.
and I guess technically, if a handful of JD fans think he is, then the phrase isnt incorrect ;O
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On January 10 2013 22:48 00Visor wrote:How is that bad for 14 games with this outcome? I got 8 wrong ...
I got everything correct yesterday and missed todays votes 
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On January 10 2013 23:40 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:38 sparklyresidue wrote:On January 10 2013 23:35 mordk wrote:On January 10 2013 23:27 Toxi78 wrote:On January 10 2013 23:20 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 10 2013 23:16 Sumahi wrote:On January 10 2013 22:50 forsooth wrote:
Huk and Nestea? Old school night at the GSL. If this keeps up we'll see July and Choya back at some point. Man, seeing July come back would be so awesome. Choya recently took a game in a teamleague, don't know which one or against who but who cares? Choya on his way back. Now we just need Hongun & BitByBit choya took a game off jaedong, let me quote incontrol "the one some are calling the best zerg on the planet right now". I was seriously angry when I heard that, I really don't understand the need to hype using absolutely false information Incontrol uses that phrase too liberally. and I guess technically, if a handful of JD fans think he is, then the phrase isnt incorrect ;O
I just meant "on the planet".
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I leave the thread to come back and find that the "Kespa players don't prioritize GSL" argument still being thrown around.
Get real. Whether or not they prioritize the GSL is no excuse. I'm a huge Kespa fan but I've come to terms with the fact that not all of them will be good at this game and that they need to work hard on catching up with these eSF players. They're PROS and they don't give any of this "prioritizing PL" to the public. The public should stop making excuses for them.
Fantasy is a good player, was a great BW player but lost this Up&Down group at 4th place. No excuses.
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On January 10 2013 23:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:12 TheDougler wrote:On January 10 2013 23:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:With  NesTea advancing to Code S today he will join  Mvp, MarineKing, Leenock, and  MC as the only players to take part in the first and last Wings of Liberty Code S On January 10 2013 23:04 amazingoopah wrote:
top 2 control from Huk... is he the first foreigner to make it on merit to code s? or did Naniwa make it, dont' remember Huk made it to Code S once through the up and downs in the old format. Mana did it once in the current format. It depends on what you define as their own merit though as both were seeded into the up and down matches. HuK actually made it through Code A, into the up downs (beating Coca and... I think Leenock actually? Before Losira took him out. I think. Then he beat MMA in the updowns. Something like that at least. Think it was GSL February 2011) Yeah I said he made it through the old format which is what you were talking about. Back when it was top 8 Code A vs 3rd place in Code S ro32 and loser vs 4th place in Code S ro32 Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 10 2013 23:10 Poopi wrote:On January 10 2013 23:09 TheDougler wrote:On January 10 2013 23:04 amazingoopah wrote:
top 2 control from Huk... is he the first foreigner to make it on merit to code s? or did Naniwa make it, dont' remember He is... But he did it almost two years ago beating coming from code A and beating MMA actually if I recall in the up downs. Mana made it from up downs to Code S a few seasons ago. Yeah but he was invited to code A. No foreigner ever qualified from code B :D. Some got close though, I think Huk got close last season and TLO was one game away two seasons ago. Huk, TLO, and DeathAngel have all made the finals of a qualifier. I think Sase and Jinro have both made semis
MacSed made finals too (lost 1-2 to Vampire)
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On January 10 2013 22:19 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:12 silent_owl wrote:
Kespa versus eSF again. LOL! Amazing. The war has never died down. I may be a T1 fan but this debate is tiring. Let them play and just root for your favorite player. No excuses. Yeah, Kespa has PL, that doesn't give any of them an excuse. some good PL players were bad in OSL. What do they know about GSL? The fuck is it? Now we have the results of the second season where none PL player is present, if it is just the low skill, then one should be blind to say so. PL matches are levels above today's games.
U&D games are always scrappy, while PL games only look good because the level of players involved is equally low or mid-tier. The Code S games are ten times as good as those in PL, and if you look closely you will see the myriad of mistakes KeSPA players make in PL games, that only go through because their opponent can't take advantage of it. This obviously doesn't apply to all KeSPA players, but most of them can't play at Code S level, and are far from it.
And note that I like PL, I always watch it, I also like a lot of the BW pros, but you've got to recognize reality.
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Im so glad Huk and nestea made it through. OLD SCHOOL GSL!! maybe boxer,idra, and jinro will try out their games next hahaha
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On January 10 2013 23:54 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:19 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 22:12 silent_owl wrote:
Kespa versus eSF again. LOL! Amazing. The war has never died down. I may be a T1 fan but this debate is tiring. Let them play and just root for your favorite player. No excuses. Yeah, Kespa has PL, that doesn't give any of them an excuse. some good PL players were bad in OSL. What do they know about GSL? The fuck is it? Now we have the results of the second season where none PL player is present, if it is just the low skill, then one should be blind to say so. PL matches are levels above today's games. U&D games are always scrappy, while PL games only look good because the level of players involved is equally low or mid-tier. The Code S games are ten times as good as those in PL, and if you look closely you will see the myriad of mistakes KeSPA players make in PL games, that only go through because their opponent can't take advantage of it. This obviously doesn't apply to all KeSPA players, but most of them can't play at Code S level, and are far from it. And note that I like PL, I always watch it, I also like a lot of the BW pros, but you've got to recognize reality.
This.
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On January 10 2013 22:39 Zealgoon wrote:
I've never thought that Jaedong would be the last hope of KeSPA.
IT IS NOW UP TO YOU TO DEFEND THE GLORY OF KESPA, O MY TYRANT. WILL YOU MAKE IT?
Dont forget Soulkey, Innovation, Baby and RorO, which are already in Code S...
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On January 10 2013 23:23 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:09 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:07 AxionSteel wrote:On January 10 2013 22:59 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:53 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 22:49 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:45 liberate71 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:34 X3GoldDot wrote:
i say this prioritization theory is bullshit, every player will try their hardest to play their best at whatever event, pride means more than it looks, also, bo1 is terrible but acceptable as OSL is aired on TV Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory. Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1. Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night. And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_- The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously. it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say. Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'? Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game.
if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so.
I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today.
I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter.
It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance.
Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out?
I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected.
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On January 11 2013 00:04 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:23 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 23:09 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:07 AxionSteel wrote:On January 10 2013 22:59 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:53 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 22:49 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:45 liberate71 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:34 X3GoldDot wrote:
i say this prioritization theory is bullshit, every player will try their hardest to play their best at whatever event, pride means more than it looks, also, bo1 is terrible but acceptable as OSL is aired on TV Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory. Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1. Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night. And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_- The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously. it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say. Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'? Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game. if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so. I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today. I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter. It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance. Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out? I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected more or less.
Because players like Nestea and the legends from Code S like Mvp, MC, etc. are as well. They just earned their "brand" status in SC2, not in BW. And you're completely shitting on everything they've accomplished just to hype some players who don't manage to even get to the hardest league in the world, let alone do well there. Not saying that they might not get there or might not have the potential to make it there even right now. But they didn't.
Saying that they only didn't make it because they don't care about it is devaluing both their effort and the success of those who did make it through.
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On January 10 2013 23:54 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:19 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 22:12 silent_owl wrote:
Kespa versus eSF again. LOL! Amazing. The war has never died down. I may be a T1 fan but this debate is tiring. Let them play and just root for your favorite player. No excuses. Yeah, Kespa has PL, that doesn't give any of them an excuse. some good PL players were bad in OSL. What do they know about GSL? The fuck is it? Now we have the results of the second season where none PL player is present, if it is just the low skill, then one should be blind to say so. PL matches are levels above today's games. U&D games are always scrappy, while PL games only look good because the level of players involved is equally low or mid-tier. The Code S games are ten times as good as those in PL, and if you look closely you will see the myriad of mistakes KeSPA players make in PL games, that only go through because their opponent can't take advantage of it. This obviously doesn't apply to all KeSPA players, but most of them can't play at Code S level, and are far from it. And note that I like PL, I always watch it, I also like a lot of the BW pros, but you've got to recognize reality.
this argument sounds logical, yes.
though it is disappointing
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On January 11 2013 00:04 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:23 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 23:09 letian wrote:On January 10 2013 23:07 AxionSteel wrote:On January 10 2013 22:59 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:53 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 22:49 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:45 liberate71 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:37 Caihead wrote:On January 10 2013 22:34 X3GoldDot wrote:
i say this prioritization theory is bullshit, every player will try their hardest to play their best at whatever event, pride means more than it looks, also, bo1 is terrible but acceptable as OSL is aired on TV Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory. Playing BW vs Playing SC2 is a lot different to playing in OSL/PL vs playing in GSL... lol How is the principle different? The magnitude of effects might be different, but every bit of advantage matters in a bo1. Because Magnitude matters? It is like saying EG TL would be 9-0 in PL if they weren't streaming for those 2 hours a night. And Flash went 3-2 barely missing out while beating the best player in the group in GSL, while 4-0ing EG TL's Hero Taeja Revival and JYP on the same day. He looked way better in the PL matches than the GSL matches. Small priority differences mean alot -_- The lame excuses when they lose and gloating when they win from fanboys like you are the main reason why people like to see the kespa players lose, which sucks as i don't mind some of the players. Oh and that stupid article obviously. it is not a lame excuse, it is a fact, quite legitimate I'd say. Oh come on. Kespa fanboys have been saying how all the 'weak' eSF players would be filtered out of Code S and it would be Kespa dominated. And when it doesn't happen 'it is because Kespa players don't care'? Also, Flash didn't look bad at all in GSL. He just gambled in the MC game and got caught. I don't think he decided to NOT build a bunker just because it was GSL. It could have happened in a PL game. if I saw close games today I wouldn't say so. I know how Fantasy can play and is sad he didn't deliver today. I think everyone agrees that nor Huk neither Nestea is anywhere good as Fantasy. And preparation does matter. It is not about Kespa players, it is about your favourites. Those who followed Fanta's career shall never favor Huk before him. And sorry that it is not SC2 I am appealing to, but favourites does not die with the game, you know. The amount of effort that these former BW kids contributed is incomparable to any SC2 player and it shall never be overshadowed. Bear with your ignorance. Fantasy is a brand, Flash is a brand, JD is a brand as many other pro players no matter what they play. They earned it with hard labour and continue earning it now. So tell me, why the fuck should I favour Huk or Nestea over Fantasy and do not expect them to be filtered out? I wonder what would you all say if Huk or Nestea lost 0-4 today? Most of you wouldn't say a damn thing, because it was expected.
Even if they are a brand, they are PROFESSIONALS. And these stupid prioritization claims are EXCUSES that you are making on behalf of PROFESSIONAL GAMERS. I am a Kespa fan, my HEART will always favor Flash, JD, Fantasy AND EVEN BISU!
Yes, they accomplished so much in the rich history of Brood War. But THIS IS NOT BROOD WAR.
Other Kespa fans have come to terms with it, why can't you? Making stupid excuses only makes them look like amateurs who need scapegoats when they lose. They're pros, they lose, they live with it and they practice harder to get where they need to go.
I can't speak for Huk and other foreign pros, but Nestea also lives in a structured practice environment WHICH UPGRADED ITS PRACTICE REGIMEN WHEN KESPA CAME IN! Nestea is a PROFESSIONAL! He may have been bad at BW but, THIS IS NOT BROOD WAR.
I followed Flash's career, but my head will always think on different terms than my heart. I know how Fantasy can play too both in BW and in SC2. He's gotten far in SC2 and I wanted him to win. Well, he lost to Nestea who is an SC2 (YES, SC2) LEGEND.
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