EPT[Code A] RO32 Day 1 2012 GSL Season 5 - Page 95
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DeCoder
Finland236 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On December 10 2012 23:57 DeCoder wrote: NesTea loses once again. What happens to him? Is he back in Code B? He has a chance in the up/downs to get into Code S, if he doesn't win in that he's Code A again next season. | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On December 10 2012 23:09 niteReloaded wrote: How are the elephants faring recently? I'm not in touch with SC2 for the last 3-4 months... Usually the winrates between KeSPA players and non-KeSPA koreans are about 50/50. RAIN (formerly By.Sun I think), has done very well. Some made it into Code A some are in Code S, But compared to the non-KeSPA players they are not really improving in the last months, so the winrates stabilized at 50 percent. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 10 2012 23:49 Elroi wrote: Not as good as most people thought. But it is very hard to say how good they are. Now that we have EG-TL in PL we could get a better idea imo since most of the kepsa players stick to the kespa league. But I am convinced that a majority of the best players will be kespa players very soon. For some one who didn't follow bw to understand why we think like this about the players, think about this example: they make a new game and some of the players that couldn't handle the competition switch over. Two years later, the best sc2 players - Rain, Life, Mvp, Bogus, Hyun, Teajja etc - start playing this new game that is being dominated by Incontrol, Destiny and some "patch zerg". What would you think about the situation? From your perspective the "BW elitists" are unreasonable - and you have some results to back that claim up. But what we know about the best current sc2 players amounts to this: For me, personally, MVP is the only player that could somehow stand his ground in BW, so I respect him. But the others too I must say are better than I expected. It depends on how 'different' the game is. We don't really see WC3 pros doing as well for example. The best WC3 pros are probably Polt and Stephano but they were not really known in WC3. Of course, SC2 is more similar to BW but it still has difference. Also, you have to remember, there are a lot of rising stars that were too young to get into BW. Who knows if Creator, Life, etc would have done if SC2 wasn't made. Maybe they would be rookies of the year for 2013 PL season. Personally, I see a pretty even split between eSF, Kespa. But then again, I don't think Korean SC2 can sustain this many players. So I see a merging of some sort in about 1-2 years. | ||
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DeCoder
Finland236 Posts
On December 10 2012 23:58 Dodgin wrote: He has a chance in the up/downs to get into Code S, if he doesn't win in that he's Code A again next season. Ahh thats great. NesTea likes to do things the hard way. | ||
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:00 vthree wrote: It depends on how 'different' the game is. We don't really see WC3 pros doing as well for example. The best WC3 pros are probably Polt and Stephano but they were not really known in WC3. Of course, SC2 is more similar to BW but it still has difference. Also, you have to remember, there are a lot of rising stars that were too young to get into BW. Who knows if Creator, Life, etc would have done if SC2 wasn't made. Maybe they would be rookies of the year for 2013 PL season. Personally, I see a pretty even split between eSF, Kespa. But then again, I don't think Korean SC2 can sustain this many players. So I see a merging of some sort in about 1-2 years. I haven't followed WC3, but Khaldor remembers casting Stephano, when Stephano was 12 years old ind WC3. He was just very young. He also became much better in SC2 once he became a full time pro. So I wouldn't say he was bad in WC3, just young amateur. SO it might be a similar situation lik you mention for Creator and Life. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Well shit I can't then | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On December 10 2012 23:44 BisuDagger wrote: Kespa stats of the top of my head. OSL champion - Kespa Winner Past 2 GSL's - Kespa player in the final four MvP - Kespa winner WCS - 3 Kespa players qualify into the Ro16, 1 placing in the top 3 MLG Tournament of Champions - + Show Spoiler + 3/3 for Kespa pros Pretty much, since august certain Kespa pros have merged themselves in as equals. It is my belief however that many players from Kespa will not dominate the scene out of proleague because they are focused on their team league rather then taking tournaments for their own glory. As for Baby defeating Flash, like someone mentioned earlier Baby has been considered one of the most gifted terrans and except for maybe a few months where Flash was invincible, could beat him any given day. OSL semifinals half were eSF and 1 eSF in finals (no kespa player in GSL finals yet) MvP had like all foreigners, MC and Crank. WCS more eSF players qualify. Past 2 GSLs, 3 eSF players in final four, all eSF players in finals  | ||
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On December 10 2012 23:44 BisuDagger wrote: Kespa stats of the top of my head. OSL champion - Kespa Winner Past 2 GSL's - Kespa player in the final four MvP - Kespa winner WCS - 3 Kespa players qualify into the Ro16, 1 placing in the top 3 MLG Tournament of Champions - + Show Spoiler + 3/3 for Kespa pros Pretty much, since august certain Kespa pros have merged themselves in as equals. It is my belief however that many players from Kespa will not dominate the scene out of proleague because they are focused on their team league rather then taking tournaments for their own glory. As for Baby defeating Flash, like someone mentioned earlier Baby has been considered one of the most gifted terrans and except for maybe a few months where Flash was invincible, could beat him any given day. Look how long it took Hyun to achieve his peak form. In another six months to a year these guys will be the best of their respective races. Some already are. | ||
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Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
 . I'd so loved to see him in Code S. Baby/Ty is nice too, but...hell no :-) | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:23 The_Darkness wrote: Look how long it took Hyun to achieve his peak form. In another six months to a year these guys will be the best of their respective races. Some already are. Yea and what has Hyun won? 2nd place and some online showmatches. | ||
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KivTM
Australia90 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:27 TommyP wrote: Yea and what has Hyun won? 2nd place and some online showmatches. hahahaha omg "2nd place and some online showmatches" hahahaha what in the actual fuck :D Dude is like +inf:0 no matter how many GSL champs and mainstays they throw at him in fight club, and no mention of the caliber of the tournament in which he placed 2nd Thanks man you made my day :D | ||
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KivTM
Australia90 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:32 rysecake wrote: well he didn't become god in bw in half a year either. Took him a few years if i recall... That's fine, my point was that people shouldn't expect him to dominate. I saw so many predictions earlier in this thread that were along he lines of "flash wins ez, baby has no chance." That wasn't even true in bw let alone sc2. I would say baby and flash are at a simmillar skill level in sc2 ATM. I was so surprised when i saw how one side the poll was... | ||
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On December 11 2012 00:27 TommyP wrote: Yea and what has Hyun won? 2nd place and some online showmatches. Haha I lol'ed in real life, good troll 10/10 | ||
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MyFirstProbe
Netherlands294 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
What does it have to do with IM players? Is there a lichter curse?^^ | ||
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