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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 01:50:18
December 10 2012 01:50 GMT
#2121
On December 10 2012 10:45 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:39 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:37 jmbthirteen wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote:
Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.

Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.

life, parting and rain only had an impact on the past few months. stephano has been dominating all year. only guy i'd give it to over stephano would be MVP


Dominating foreign tourneys, especially euro tourneys with very few koreans at them doesn't count. Stephano also hasn't been dominating anything lately. No way he deserves player of the year over a korean.

such an annoying argument. Stephano beats koreans at every damn tournament. and not just koreans, the best koreans. every tournament he is in, he is a threat to win. you have to win foreign tournaments to be up for the player of the year because there are only what, 5 GSLs?

No Koreans other than MVP kept such a high level of play for such a long time. And Stephano won LSC2 just a month ago, got 3rd at ESWC the week before that and nearly reverse all killed Team Korea at the GSL WC last weekend. Dude is still playing fantastic.

when looking at the whole year, MVP and Stephano are the two best choices. I would have went with MVP, but Stephano is deserving.


Ok here's what I think

#1 Mvp
#2 DRG
#3 Leenock OR Stephano

Mvp for being the only player to make two GSL finals, and the only Terran player to make a gsl finals/win a GSL in 2012, plus his IEM victory.

DRG for his GSL win at the start of the year, his two second place finishes in the Winter Arena/Winter Champs, his first place finishes in Spring Arena 2 and the Spring Championship. Another Code S ro4 in GSL S3, and 2nd place in the OSL.

In fact I might even place DRG ahead of Mvp.

Leenock - GSL RO8x2 MLG Summer Championship 1st, MLG Fall Championship 2nd, IPL5 1st.

Stephano - Assembly Winter 2nd, Spring Arena 3rd, NASL S3 1st, WCS EU 1st, Lone Star Clash 2 1st, ESWC 3rd.

Probably Stephano over Leenock because Leenock didn't do much for the first half of the year.
ultratorr
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada332 Posts
December 10 2012 01:50 GMT
#2122
wow, surprisingly good engagement by hero.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 01:51:23
December 10 2012 01:50 GMT
#2123
On December 10 2012 10:48 CrugerDK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote:
Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.

Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.


well. looking over all of 2012, I think a decent argument can be made for Stephano.
He did change the ZvP metagame in the start of the year, and have consistently been at the very top of the game through out the year.


Rain changed the PvP metagame and has been at the actual (ie Korea) top of the game. Mvp changed TvZ metagame and has done the same as well.

WCS Europe != top of the game.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26058 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 01:52:21
December 10 2012 01:50 GMT
#2124
Just going to pull a top 10 list out of my ass.

1. MVP
2. DRG
3. Leenock (pretty interchangeable with 4)
4. Life
5. Taeja: The Summer of Taeja was incredible Starcraft
6. Stephano: People are forgetting just how good he was for a while.
7. Gumiho: Clutch teamleague monster, 2 GSTL titles
8. MC: Always there or thereabouts, however he is very inconsistent.
9. Seed: Broke the Protoss duck in GSL.
10. HerO: Consistently good play

I'd stick in Rain, but he's not been around for the whole year. He's also just dropped to Code B. If he showed the kind of play we've seen from him so far, over a longer period he'd 100% be in here.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
cekkmt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States352 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 01:52:26
December 10 2012 01:51 GMT
#2125
On December 10 2012 10:50 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:45 jmbthirteen wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:39 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:37 jmbthirteen wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote:
Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.

Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.

life, parting and rain only had an impact on the past few months. stephano has been dominating all year. only guy i'd give it to over stephano would be MVP


Dominating foreign tourneys, especially euro tourneys with very few koreans at them doesn't count. Stephano also hasn't been dominating anything lately. No way he deserves player of the year over a korean.

such an annoying argument. Stephano beats koreans at every damn tournament. and not just koreans, the best koreans. every tournament he is in, he is a threat to win. you have to win foreign tournaments to be up for the player of the year because there are only what, 5 GSLs?

No Koreans other than MVP kept such a high level of play for such a long time. And Stephano won LSC2 just a month ago, got 3rd at ESWC the week before that and nearly reverse all killed Team Korea at the GSL WC last weekend. Dude is still playing fantastic.

when looking at the whole year, MVP and Stephano are the two best choices. I would have went with MVP, but Stephano is deserving.


Ok here's what I think

#1 Mvp
#2 DRG
#3 Leenock OR Stephano

Mvp for being the only player to make two GSL finals, and the only Terran player to make a gsl finals/win a GSL in 2012, plus his IEM victory.

DRG for his GSL win at the start of the year, his two second place finishes in the Winter Arena/Winter Champs, his first place finishes in Spring Arena 2 and the Spring Championship. Another Code S ro4 in GSL S3, and 2nd place in the OSL.

In fact I might even place DRG ahead of Mvp.

Leenock - GSL RO8x2 MLG Summer Championship 1st, MLG Fall Championship 2nd, IPL5 1st.

Stephano - Assembly Winter 2nd, Spring Arena 3rd, NASL S3 1st, WCS EU 1st, Lone Star Clash 2 1st, ESWC 3rd.

Probably Stephano over Leenock because Leenock didn't do much for the first half of the year.

Except MVP pretty much single-handedly caused terran to be nerfed, so I think he deserves first over DRG
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
December 10 2012 01:52 GMT
#2126
I feel that DRG probably edges out MVP by a bit for player of the year. When I look for the player of the year I tend to consider many things such as achievements, dominance, consistency, effect on metagame etc.
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
December 10 2012 01:53 GMT
#2127
Player of the Year: Stephano

No brainer, especially pre-EG Stephano.
MMA: The true King of Wings
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
December 10 2012 01:54 GMT
#2128
The ultimate protoss question: Do I make a 4th or just go attack the guy?
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
December 10 2012 01:54 GMT
#2129
WTF HERO
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
December 10 2012 01:54 GMT
#2130
argh the colossi miscontrol -.-
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
December 10 2012 01:54 GMT
#2131
Ugh Hero, no bueno!
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
December 10 2012 01:54 GMT
#2132
On December 10 2012 10:50 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:45 jmbthirteen wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:39 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:37 jmbthirteen wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote:
Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.

Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.

life, parting and rain only had an impact on the past few months. stephano has been dominating all year. only guy i'd give it to over stephano would be MVP


Dominating foreign tourneys, especially euro tourneys with very few koreans at them doesn't count. Stephano also hasn't been dominating anything lately. No way he deserves player of the year over a korean.

such an annoying argument. Stephano beats koreans at every damn tournament. and not just koreans, the best koreans. every tournament he is in, he is a threat to win. you have to win foreign tournaments to be up for the player of the year because there are only what, 5 GSLs?

No Koreans other than MVP kept such a high level of play for such a long time. And Stephano won LSC2 just a month ago, got 3rd at ESWC the week before that and nearly reverse all killed Team Korea at the GSL WC last weekend. Dude is still playing fantastic.

when looking at the whole year, MVP and Stephano are the two best choices. I would have went with MVP, but Stephano is deserving.


Ok here's what I think

#1 Mvp
#2 DRG
#3 Leenock OR Stephano

Mvp for being the only player to make two GSL finals, and the only Terran player to make a gsl finals/win a GSL in 2012, plus his IEM victory.

DRG for his GSL win at the start of the year, his two second place finishes in the Winter Arena/Winter Champs, his first place finishes in Spring Arena 2 and the Spring Championship. Another Code S ro4 in GSL S3, and 2nd place in the OSL.

In fact I might even place DRG ahead of Mvp.

Leenock - GSL RO8x2 MLG Summer Championship 1st, MLG Fall Championship 2nd, IPL5 1st.

Stephano - Assembly Winter 2nd, Spring Arena 3rd, NASL S3 1st, WCS EU 1st, Lone Star Clash 2 1st, ESWC 3rd.

Probably Stephano over Leenock because Leenock didn't do much for the first half of the year.

the reason you have stephano over leenock is why i'd have him over drg as well. drg started off fantastic, but faded hard. i know he got second in osl, but everything else after his mlg win was rather disappointing. he did get absolutely smashed in the osl finals too

when people talk about stephano playing bad right now, its been like a 3 week period. and he nearly reverse all killed team korea last weekend so, can we really say he's slumping? with drg it seems like the whole second half of the year has been meh.

i would have leenock right up there as well.
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ultratorr
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada332 Posts
December 10 2012 01:55 GMT
#2133
This is exactly what violet wanted... trade well with roaches and replace with end game army. OK n/m violet just wins with roaches.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
December 10 2012 01:55 GMT
#2134
This is the second time hero gets collosi stuck there
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 10 2012 01:55 GMT
#2135
On December 10 2012 10:51 cekkmt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:50 Dodgin wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:45 jmbthirteen wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:39 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:37 jmbthirteen wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:35 Fionn wrote:
Stephano? Ehhhhhhh.

Life, Parting, Mvp and Rain so nope.

life, parting and rain only had an impact on the past few months. stephano has been dominating all year. only guy i'd give it to over stephano would be MVP


Dominating foreign tourneys, especially euro tourneys with very few koreans at them doesn't count. Stephano also hasn't been dominating anything lately. No way he deserves player of the year over a korean.

such an annoying argument. Stephano beats koreans at every damn tournament. and not just koreans, the best koreans. every tournament he is in, he is a threat to win. you have to win foreign tournaments to be up for the player of the year because there are only what, 5 GSLs?

No Koreans other than MVP kept such a high level of play for such a long time. And Stephano won LSC2 just a month ago, got 3rd at ESWC the week before that and nearly reverse all killed Team Korea at the GSL WC last weekend. Dude is still playing fantastic.

when looking at the whole year, MVP and Stephano are the two best choices. I would have went with MVP, but Stephano is deserving.


Ok here's what I think

#1 Mvp
#2 DRG
#3 Leenock OR Stephano

Mvp for being the only player to make two GSL finals, and the only Terran player to make a gsl finals/win a GSL in 2012, plus his IEM victory.

DRG for his GSL win at the start of the year, his two second place finishes in the Winter Arena/Winter Champs, his first place finishes in Spring Arena 2 and the Spring Championship. Another Code S ro4 in GSL S3, and 2nd place in the OSL.

In fact I might even place DRG ahead of Mvp.

Leenock - GSL RO8x2 MLG Summer Championship 1st, MLG Fall Championship 2nd, IPL5 1st.

Stephano - Assembly Winter 2nd, Spring Arena 3rd, NASL S3 1st, WCS EU 1st, Lone Star Clash 2 1st, ESWC 3rd.

Probably Stephano over Leenock because Leenock didn't do much for the first half of the year.

Except MVP pretty much single-handedly caused terran to be nerfed, so I think he deserves first over DRG


Mvp gets a small bonus for playing the weakest race I guess, I think I would still barely barely favor DRG, his achievement list this year is just longer.
Walnuts
Profile Joined March 2012
United States770 Posts
December 10 2012 01:55 GMT
#2136
"collosol" throw
Gandalf on balance: "It's always darkest before the dawn"
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
December 10 2012 01:55 GMT
#2137
Special Colossi XD, riding the short prism to Aiur.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
December 10 2012 01:55 GMT
#2138
lol wtf was that
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
December 10 2012 01:55 GMT
#2139
Hey whoever made daybreak, fix that fucking crevice. Collosus keeps getting fucking trapped there
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
December 10 2012 01:55 GMT
#2140
stayin forever nub, it's ok if you play like a scrub
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
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