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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 21 2012 16:37 GMT
#1101
On November 21 2012 20:48 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 20:47 zefreak wrote:
On November 21 2012 20:46 FakeDeath wrote:
I remember Life getting lots of flak during his Royal Road run.

Taking out lots of fan favorite(Seed,MKP,Taeja,Nestea,MVP).

Winner of Hyun vs Bogus should win GSL.


But life played great. It became obvious through the season that he wasn't the random zerg people thought he was.

Sniper is just a zerg

i like sniper more than life,



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dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
November 21 2012 16:46 GMT
#1102
Really hoping for a Bogus vs Ryung finals!
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Sacrilege
Profile Joined December 2011
United States199 Posts
November 21 2012 16:50 GMT
#1103
On November 22 2012 00:09 Witten wrote:
This is the opposite of what I wanted to happen.


I feel the same way! I was really hoping for Leenock to crush Sniper and make it through! I'm placing my hopes on Hyun now! I believe in him!
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TriZ
Profile Joined September 2012
Belgium379 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-21 18:57:56
November 21 2012 16:57 GMT
#1104
With the loss of Leenock this GSL just got blown wide open imo.
None of the qualified players have a GSL win under their belt, afaik none of them have alot of (individual) booth experience.

This just became the Rookie GSL Championship.

I like it.

actually this couldn't go better, I love new talent, anyone has my blessing at this point.

Though I predict Sniper might be the strongest going into this. This win over Leenock should definitely be counted as one of the strongest performances this season.
Ryung's TvZ has been extensively tested in the ro16 vs Curious and DRG, they might not be comparable to Life or Leenock but they are still top zergs. Since he came through against them, I feel like he has a good shot.
Even though Sniper's on fire right now and he will be feeling pretty good that he got through so comfortable against Leenock. his TvT has also been tested vs Polt but he did lose to Innovation 1-2 in the ro16. My feelings tell me Ryung is even better than Innovation.
This might be a real powerstruggle versus 2 up and comers in Code S.

Hyun vs Innovation is a total gamble match for me, I'm still not sure about Hyun's form, even though he's been tearing through alot of good opponents, he did rack up some losses too.
He took out Creator and Leenock convincingly and proved to understand ZvP and ZvZ to their core. But he lost to Yoda twice and Marineking once this season so clearly his TvZ is the underdog here.
Innovation lost vs Leenock but won vs Sniper later on and then completely destroyed Soulkey.
It's almost like Innovation is learning TvZ by playing the GSL. Ofcourse these zergs differ in skill, but they all made at least the quarterfinals, these are good players.
I'm sure this will also be a very exciting matchup, who will shine the hardest?

I'm going with Ryung vs Hyun finals.

Just for interest
Ryung 5-2 (12-7)
Sniper 5-2 (13-6)
Hyun 5-2 (13-7)
Innovation 5-1 (11-3)

Innovation clearly has the best record going into this, the others actually all came second in both group stages (ro32, ro16)
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
November 21 2012 16:57 GMT
#1105
dayum, all my favorites have been knocked out :/
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
November 21 2012 17:08 GMT
#1106
This is a really interesting final 4 players. All players without a GSL championship. I wouldn't have expected any of them to make it this far. It's going to lead to exciting finals IMO.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
November 21 2012 17:11 GMT
#1107
On November 22 2012 00:21 Melliflue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 23:51 ES.Genie wrote:
On November 21 2012 23:01 Melliflue wrote:
On November 21 2012 22:14 Zennith wrote:
I really hate the people spouting off nonsense about how bad this is. The players who win advance. That's how it is, that's how it should be. All of these players defeated fantastic players to get to this point. Who the fuck are you to say they don't deserve it.

Anyways, GO HYUN!

How the semi-finalists reached the semi-finals:
Hyun
Bye vs Rain
1-2 vs Yoda
2-1 vs Gumiho

2-0 vs Yoda
1-2 vs MKP
2-1 vs Hack

3-1 vs Creator

Bogus
0-2 vs Leenock
2-0 vs Squirtle
2-0 vs Keen

2-1 vs Sniper
2-0 vs Polt

3-0 vs Soulkey

Ryung
2-1 vs Vampire
0-2 vs Life
2-1 vs Vampire

1-2 vs Curious
2-0 vs DRG
2-0 vs Curious

3-1 vs MKP

Sniper
2-1 vs Seed
1-2 vs MKP
2-0 vs Sos/Shy

1-2 vs Bogus
2-0 vs Parting
2-0 vs Polt

3-0 vs Leenock

None of those strike me as very impressive runs. And many of the games were won because the opponent played poorly. All four of them looked bad in the ro32 and were lucky to get into the ro16. Only once did one of them manage to finish first in a group, and that was when Bogus finished ahead of Sniper.

And what's your point? "They played better than their opponents, they shouldn't be in the semifinals"? Everyone is whining because all the favorites are out. Get over it.

I was trying to explain why there has been less hype and why this season isn't as exciting as the ones earlier this year. In season 1 the two finalists Genius and DRG met three times, once in ro32 (Genius won), once in ro16 (DRG won) and again in final. In season 2 Squirtle only lost one map (to MMA) before the final. In season 3 Seed lost to Byun in the ro32 but then got revenge in the semi-final. Last season Life reached the final by only losing two maps en route (one to Seed and one to MKP).

This season there has been no-one who has been so consistently impressive. They have all needed a bit of luck to get to the semis. Squirtle, Seed, and Life were all new (or fairly new in Seed's case) to code S but that didn't detract anything. My post had nothing to do with the fan-favourites being eliminated.

I've had two replies to my post, one accusing me of "talking out of [my] ass" and the second telling me to "Get over it". Maybe my post had a negative attitude towards this season of GSL but I don't understand why it was so bad.


clearly you didnt watch or appreciate good terran play (which is surprising regardless of your race due to current trends), because Bogus didnt 'luck' his way to ro4. he executes near-perfectly.
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Slackzftw
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany361 Posts
November 21 2012 17:13 GMT
#1108
Best finals: Bogus vs Leenock
Worst finals: HyuN vs Leenock

At least we get 2 TvZs in the RO4.
Rui.S
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada92 Posts
November 21 2012 17:14 GMT
#1109
How many games has bogus dropped? And seed baaarely made it to the finals during his run..
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 21 2012 17:29 GMT
#1110
On November 22 2012 02:13 Slackzftw wrote:
Best finals: Bogus vs Leenock
Worst finals: HyuN vs Leenock

At least we get 2 TvZs in the RO4.

Leenock is out
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Gorilla23
Profile Joined March 2012
United States339 Posts
November 21 2012 17:48 GMT
#1111
On November 21 2012 21:09 Vorenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 20:51 VavPK wrote:
I think its kinda sad how people say this season "tanked" simply because non of their fan favorites are in top 4... give some new faces a chance. I always figured Ryung would win a GSL, I would safely bet this one is his.

It's not only that. The games have been pretty horrible as well.

It feels like in the majority of the games, were lost more than they were won. (if that makes sense)
There just wasn't awesome incredible plays from the winners, the losers just completely messed up and got smashed.


I disagree to a degree. Bogus had incredible play. His opponents didn't simply mess up and lose. Leenock had great play coming into the Ro8.
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
November 21 2012 18:02 GMT
#1112
Everyone cheering for Ryung and saying Sniper is the strongest player. IMO Bogus' being really overlooked here. If he beats Hyun (which is likely) I'm pretty sure he'll win GSL.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
November 21 2012 18:03 GMT
#1113
On November 21 2012 20:20 Chill Penguin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 20:19 Fionn wrote:
We're one game away from a Hyun vs. Bogus and Ryung vs. Sniper semifinal.

Weird.


Most underwhelming round of 4 ever.


Why? you have probably the best zerg in the world and possibly the best Terran in the world in one match up. Sniper is a top 5 zerg and Ryung is a little harder for me to place, but he's playing like a top 5 terran.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-21 18:07:24
November 21 2012 18:05 GMT
#1114
On November 22 2012 03:03 The_Darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 20:20 Chill Penguin wrote:
On November 21 2012 20:19 Fionn wrote:
We're one game away from a Hyun vs. Bogus and Ryung vs. Sniper semifinal.

Weird.


Most underwhelming round of 4 ever.


Why? you have probably the best zerg in the world and possibly the best Terran in the world in one match up. Sniper is a top 5 zerg and Ryung is a little harder for me to place, but he's playing like a top 5 terran.

Boring for me since I don't care for any of these players =/ when someone says top5 terran or zerg, Ryung and Hyun are not names that come to mind. Not my mind anyway.

Not saying I dislike them, just not interested in their play. Much grats for making top4 and everything though.

edit: guess I haven't seen enough of innovation's play for the above to apply to him, looks like I'll be cheering for him
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
November 21 2012 18:07 GMT
#1115
On November 22 2012 02:11 nath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 00:21 Melliflue wrote:
On November 21 2012 23:51 ES.Genie wrote:
On November 21 2012 23:01 Melliflue wrote:
On November 21 2012 22:14 Zennith wrote:
I really hate the people spouting off nonsense about how bad this is. The players who win advance. That's how it is, that's how it should be. All of these players defeated fantastic players to get to this point. Who the fuck are you to say they don't deserve it.

Anyways, GO HYUN!

How the semi-finalists reached the semi-finals:
Hyun
Bye vs Rain
1-2 vs Yoda
2-1 vs Gumiho

2-0 vs Yoda
1-2 vs MKP
2-1 vs Hack

3-1 vs Creator

Bogus
0-2 vs Leenock
2-0 vs Squirtle
2-0 vs Keen

2-1 vs Sniper
2-0 vs Polt

3-0 vs Soulkey

Ryung
2-1 vs Vampire
0-2 vs Life
2-1 vs Vampire

1-2 vs Curious
2-0 vs DRG
2-0 vs Curious

3-1 vs MKP

Sniper
2-1 vs Seed
1-2 vs MKP
2-0 vs Sos/Shy

1-2 vs Bogus
2-0 vs Parting
2-0 vs Polt

3-0 vs Leenock

None of those strike me as very impressive runs. And many of the games were won because the opponent played poorly. All four of them looked bad in the ro32 and were lucky to get into the ro16. Only once did one of them manage to finish first in a group, and that was when Bogus finished ahead of Sniper.

And what's your point? "They played better than their opponents, they shouldn't be in the semifinals"? Everyone is whining because all the favorites are out. Get over it.

I was trying to explain why there has been less hype and why this season isn't as exciting as the ones earlier this year. In season 1 the two finalists Genius and DRG met three times, once in ro32 (Genius won), once in ro16 (DRG won) and again in final. In season 2 Squirtle only lost one map (to MMA) before the final. In season 3 Seed lost to Byun in the ro32 but then got revenge in the semi-final. Last season Life reached the final by only losing two maps en route (one to Seed and one to MKP).

This season there has been no-one who has been so consistently impressive. They have all needed a bit of luck to get to the semis. Squirtle, Seed, and Life were all new (or fairly new in Seed's case) to code S but that didn't detract anything. My post had nothing to do with the fan-favourites being eliminated.

I've had two replies to my post, one accusing me of "talking out of [my] ass" and the second telling me to "Get over it". Maybe my post had a negative attitude towards this season of GSL but I don't understand why it was so bad.


clearly you didnt watch or appreciate good terran play (which is surprising regardless of your race due to current trends), because Bogus didnt 'luck' his way to ro4. he executes near-perfectly.


This. Other than in the Leenock series, there have been so many moments of genius level play from Bogus; this GSL season has been a real treat. Given all of the problems Terran are having with Zerg for any Terran to make the TvZ matchup look even mildly Terran favored is the mark of an absolutely first rate player. Subject to the caveat that the sample size isn't that big, this is the best post-patch TvZ play I've seen.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Azriel
Profile Joined December 2010
Mexico462 Posts
November 21 2012 18:08 GMT
#1116
On November 21 2012 19:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
my god I just realized if bogus does win...its possible I'll see more people with the STX tag...maybe we'll finally see the number of STX fans reach double digits.

Wow. Having STX fans on this website would be so strange. O_O
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-21 18:19:05
November 21 2012 18:12 GMT
#1117
On November 22 2012 03:05 tuestresfat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 03:03 The_Darkness wrote:
On November 21 2012 20:20 Chill Penguin wrote:
On November 21 2012 20:19 Fionn wrote:
We're one game away from a Hyun vs. Bogus and Ryung vs. Sniper semifinal.

Weird.


Most underwhelming round of 4 ever.


Why? you have probably the best zerg in the world and possibly the best Terran in the world in one match up. Sniper is a top 5 zerg and Ryung is a little harder for me to place, but he's playing like a top 5 terran.

Boring for me since I don't care for any of these players =/ when someone says top5 terran or zerg, Ryung and Hyun are not names that come to mind. Not my mind anyway.

Not saying I dislike them, just not interested in their play. Much grats for making top4 and everything though.

edit: guess I haven't seen enough of innovation's play for the above to apply to him, looks like I'll be cheering for him


I hear you, but you should really watch some of Hyun's game on FC. He's like DRG on steroids -- flawless mechanics but better map awareness and late game army control. He really does look unstoppably good, especially against Terran.

Also, given all of Terran's tvz woes, I think Bogus is simply a genius (and should be personally blamed if Zerg isn't nerfed in the next patch). I think Hyun and Bogus at least are definitely here to stay so it's worth investing some time and gaining an appreciation of their play because I'm guessing we're going to be seeing a lot of them in coming GSLs.

Edit: Where I say "unstoppably good" above, I mean in the Fight Club series. It blows my mind that he actually dropped two series in this GSL to Terrans. I think he was off his game (although credit needs to be extended to Yoda and MKP, of course).
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Darion
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada265 Posts
November 21 2012 18:34 GMT
#1118
Fun fact: The four semifinalists have a combined ONE group winner between them this season. Bogus won Ro16 Group C. Every single other time in both the Ro32 and Ro16, they have finished as the runner up.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
November 21 2012 18:59 GMT
#1119
Go Ruyng!!! And we've seen Bogus is actually pretty good, so finger cross for an epic TvT final lol.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 21 2012 19:06 GMT
#1120
I myself will enjoy every possible finals pair of players. TvT is fun, TvZ is mostly fun and ZvZ is underrated and also pretty fun imo. Personally i dislike watching any matchup with Protoss except PvT, so i'm not too sad there are no Protoss anymore.

Given that i like Hyun a lot i hope for Hyun vs Ryung in the finals, although i'm sure the most awesome games we can get will happen if it comes to Ryung vs Bogus. That is on the average, because in TvZ some games can be pretty boring to watch while others are great.

I've observed that whenever a TvT happens most of the games get highly recommended, and that is for a good reason. TvZ on the other hand people are sometimes biased a bit too much. Whenever a zerg wins with Broodlord/Infestor a lot of people will vote for a bad game, although that isn't necessary always true.
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