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[NASL] Tie-Breaks/Wildcards Day 1

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NASL.tv
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Last Edited: 2012-11-22 07:22:39
November 20 2012 02:36 GMT
#1
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9 Week Regular Season
BO3s Loser's Pick (1 veto each)
Each Match has $150 on the line, winner takes all
Full Schedule

Map Pool
Cloud Kingdom
Daybreak
Entombed Valley
Metropolis
Abyssal City
Ohana
Whirlwind

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Tie-Breakers
All Tie-Breakers are a Best of 1 series

Wildcards Seed #6 Tie-Break
MMA vs ViBe
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[image loading] (T)MMA < Entombed Valley > [image loading] (Z)ViBe
Results
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[image loading] (T)MMA < Entombed Valley > [image loading] (Z)ViBe


Playoff Seed #8 Tie-Break
Loser gets top seed in wildcards
Arthur vs Oz
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[image loading] (P)Arthur < Entombed Valley > [image loading] (P)Oz
Results
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[image loading] (P)Arthur < Entombed Valley > [image loading] (P)Oz


Wildcard Seed #14 Tie-Break
Puma vs Ryung
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[image loading] (T)Puma < Entombed Valley > [image loading] (T)Ryung
Results
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[image loading] (T)Puma < Entombed Valley > [image loading] (T)Ryung




Wildcards Day 1
All Wildcards are a Best of 5 Series. At the end of wildcards the winners are seeded by rank into the playoffs (based on seed in the wildcards).

+ Show Spoiler [Official rankings for Wildcards/Playoffs] +
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Top 8 from Playoffs attend the Grand Finals in Long Beach, CA!
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Wildcards Match #1
#1 Loser of Arthur/Oz vs Naniwa #16
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[image loading] Arthur/Oz < Ohana > [image loading] (P)NaNiwa
[image loading] Arthur/Oz < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (P)NaNiwa
[image loading] Arthur/Oz < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (P)NaNiwa
[image loading] Arthur/Oz < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (P)NaNiwa
[image loading] Arthur/Oz < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (P)NaNiwa
Results
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[image loading] (P)Oz < Ohana > [image loading] (P)NaNiwa
[image loading] (P)Oz < Daybreak > [image loading] (P)NaNiwa
[image loading] (P)Oz < Cloud Kingdom > [image loading] (P)NaNiwa
[image loading] (P)Oz < Entombed Valley > [image loading] (P)NaNiwa

(P)Oz 1-3 (P)NaNiwa

Naniwa advances to play Polt in playoffs!


Wildcard Match #2
#8 Hero vs Sheth #9
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[image loading] (P)Hero < Ohana > [image loading] (Z)Sheth
[image loading] (P)Hero < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (Z)Sheth
[image loading] (P)Hero < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (Z)Sheth
[image loading] (P)Hero < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (Z)Sheth
[image loading] (P)Hero < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (Z)Sheth
Results
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[image loading] (P)Hero < Ohana > [image loading] (Z)Sheth
[image loading] (P)Hero < Whirlwind > [image loading] (Z)Sheth
[image loading] (P)Hero < Metropolis > [image loading] (Z)Sheth

(P)Hero 3-0 (Z)Sheth


Wildcard Match #3
#5 Sen vs Zenio #12
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[image loading] (Z)Sen < Ohana > [image loading] (Z)Zenio
[image loading] (Z)Sen < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (Z)Zenio
[image loading] (Z)Sen < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (Z)Zenio
[image loading] (Z)Sen < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (Z)Zenio
[image loading] (Z)Sen < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (Z)Zenio
Results
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[image loading] (Z)Sen < Ohana > [image loading] (Z)Zenio
[image loading] (Z)Sen < Daybreak > [image loading] (Z)Zenio
[image loading] (Z)Sen < Cloud Kingdom > [image loading] (Z)Zenio
[image loading] (Z)Sen < Metropolis > [image loading] (Z)Zenio

(Z)Sen 3-1 (Z)Zenio


Wildcard Match #4
#4 SortOf vs MaNa #13
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[image loading] (Z)SortOf < Ohana > [image loading] (P)MaNa
[image loading] (Z)SortOf < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (P)MaNa
[image loading] (Z)SortOf < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (P)MaNa
[image loading] (Z)SortOf < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (P)MaNa
[image loading] (Z)SortOf < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (P)MaNa
Results
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[image loading] (Z)SortOf < Ohana > [image loading] (P)MaNa
[image loading] (Z)SortOf < Metropolis > [image loading] (P)MaNa
[image loading] (Z)SortOf < Cloud Kingdom > [image loading] (P)MaNa

(Z)SortOf 3-0 (P)MaNa





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Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1800 Posts
November 20 2012 02:40 GMT
#2
Sennnnnnnnnnnn! NaNi + MaNa hwaiting! ViBE is in for a tough spot facing MMA :S My weeknights were empty without you NASL, your hilarious segments were truly missed <3
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Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
November 20 2012 02:42 GMT
#3
Sheth vs hero and sen vs zenio honestly look really good. I love the TL players characters, and hero is good but has confidence problems, sheth has been known to beat koreans(mostly terrans though), and zenio in an interview says he likes to use strategy cuz he thinks zerg is weak....and sen is a "foreigner"(taiwan is still oriental...) that kicks butt. I want to see which of these frames of thinking and personalities succeed.
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Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 02:54:37
November 20 2012 02:43 GMT
#4
FFFFFF what the hell Stephano. This is at least the second time he has forfeited a match against MMA. Goddamn you.
Anyway, these matches are all sweet as hell.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 20 2012 03:00 GMT
#5
Holy crap conflicting information from a couple weeks ago. Time to fix LP for the millionth time.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
November 20 2012 03:02 GMT
#6
Wait, Sen was ahead of both Arthur and Oz in map score by 2 points. This Bo1 tie breaker between Oz and Arthur is going to count as a whole extra match point, as opposed to simply a map score point? 'Cos otherwise Sen would still be ahead in map score than the two protoss players.
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NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 03:16:12
November 20 2012 03:07 GMT
#7
On November 20 2012 12:02 Hier wrote:
Wait, Sen was ahead of both Arthur and Oz in map score by 2 points. This Bo1 tie breaker between Oz and Arthur is going to count as a whole extra match point, as opposed to simply a map score point? 'Cos otherwise Sen would still be ahead in map score than the two protoss players.



Oh, woops... Forgot to put that in the post. Bottom 2 2nd place finishers are top seeds in the wildcards. Need to fix the graphic :X

Edit: Updated, that should be a bit more clearer.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 20 2012 03:09 GMT
#8
How does Naniwa get the last spot? There are 5 players ahead of him and one other tied with him.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 03:16:08
November 20 2012 03:09 GMT
#9
So Polt faces the winner of Arthur/Oz vs NaNiwa?

Either way, I like the odds for Polt.
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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 20 2012 03:16 GMT
#10
On November 20 2012 12:09 PhoenixVoid wrote:
So Polt faces the winner of Arthur vs NaNiwa?


I assume they are reordered by record after the wildcards and Polt would get the lowest seeded player.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
November 20 2012 03:18 GMT
#11
On November 20 2012 12:09 Dexington wrote:
How does Naniwa get the last spot? There are 5 players ahead of him and one other tied with him.



Whoever re-updated Liquipedia has it wrong. Naniwa got the walkover over Select, not the other way around. Also, might want to recalculate Select points too.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
November 20 2012 03:18 GMT
#12
On November 20 2012 12:07 NASL.tv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 12:02 Hier wrote:
Wait, Sen was ahead of both Arthur and Oz in map score by 2 points. This Bo1 tie breaker between Oz and Arthur is going to count as a whole extra match point, as opposed to simply a map score point? 'Cos otherwise Sen would still be ahead in map score than the two protoss players.



Oh, woops... Forgot to put that in the post. Bottom 2 2nd place finishers are top seeds in the wildcards. Need to fix the graphic :X

Oh, I misinterpreted the rules, I assumed that any 3 non-first place finishers would be eligible to go through to the final bracket based on their score alone, but apparently it applies only to the 3 best 2nd place finishers.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
November 20 2012 03:20 GMT
#13
On November 20 2012 12:18 Hier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 12:07 NASL.tv wrote:
On November 20 2012 12:02 Hier wrote:
Wait, Sen was ahead of both Arthur and Oz in map score by 2 points. This Bo1 tie breaker between Oz and Arthur is going to count as a whole extra match point, as opposed to simply a map score point? 'Cos otherwise Sen would still be ahead in map score than the two protoss players.



Oh, woops... Forgot to put that in the post. Bottom 2 2nd place finishers are top seeds in the wildcards. Need to fix the graphic :X

Oh, I misinterpreted the rules, I assumed that any 3 non-first place finishers would be eligible to go through to the final bracket based on their score alone, but apparently it applies only to the 3 best 2nd place finishers.


It got a little hazy in communication earlier, but I can say with confidence that the way it is now is the correct way.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 20 2012 03:27 GMT
#14
I distinctly remember the broadcast the day Select vs Naniwa was supposed to happen. Select was there, Naniwa wasn't. Naniwa complained on Twitter that he was told Select got the walkover, even though he agreed to a reschedule or something like that.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Killerhands
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States269 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 07:28:58
November 20 2012 03:32 GMT
#15
On November 20 2012 12:27 Dexington wrote:
I distinctly remember the broadcast the day Select vs Naniwa was supposed to happen. Select was there, Naniwa wasn't. Naniwa complained on Twitter that he was told Select got the walkover, even though he agreed to a reschedule or something like that.



There was an agreement for a reschedule in the end and SeleCT ended up not showing up (because he was still in limbo on whether or not to finish out NASL).

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Prediction
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(P)NaNiwa


(P)iNcontroL vs (Z)Stephano

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(Z)Stephano: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Etiam non velit enim, sed tristique risus. Donec adipiscing scelerisque nisl sed porttitor. Duis sit amet turpis ac nulla interdum mattis et ac dui. Vestibulum quis magna quis eros sollicitudin feugiat.

Prediction
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(Z)Stephano


(P)HerO vs (Z)viOlet

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Prediction
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(P)HerO
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 20 2012 03:41 GMT
#16
This is pretty funny. Sen and Zenio have met each other in all 3 NASL's. Should be a good match.
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BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
November 20 2012 04:11 GMT
#17
On November 20 2012 12:41 stuchiu wrote:
This is pretty funny. Sen and Zenio have met each other in all 3 NASL's. Should be a good match.


It was certainly one of the craziest match up's last season, lets see if Zenio can bring it again this time.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-20 04:17:10
November 20 2012 04:13 GMT
#18
Oh god another Zenio vs. Sen bo5... Hopefully it isn't a 3-4 hour series like last season...

Also you can add next to Arthur/Oz vs. NaNiwa... They're both Protoss...

and if TSL beats MVP in GSTL this week your #1 and #2 seeds in the playoffs Polt & HyuN might not make it to the playoffs due to conflicting schedules with the GSTL finals...
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
November 20 2012 04:21 GMT
#19
why is sen in wildcards? wiki says he was top 16?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 20 2012 04:34 GMT
#20
On November 20 2012 13:21 Doraemon wrote:
why is sen in wildcards? wiki says he was top 16?


It shouldn't. I changed that a few hours ago.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
November 20 2012 04:36 GMT
#21
hero vs sheth teamkill
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FrodaN
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
754 Posts
November 20 2012 05:06 GMT
#22
On November 20 2012 13:21 Doraemon wrote:
why is sen in wildcards? wiki says he was top 16?


Liquipedia said that the top 8 overall records qualify for playoffs, but the NASL system states that the top division leaders and the top 3 2nd place finishers will get the 8 spots.

Sen got le screwed by a couple maps Well, that and not showing up to his match against Demuslim haha
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 20 2012 05:10 GMT
#23
Is Dark going to have to drop out due to joining SKT T1?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 20 2012 05:35 GMT
#24
hey, nice, didn't realise we got up to this stage already :o
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BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
November 20 2012 06:07 GMT
#25
On November 20 2012 13:13 Elite_ wrote:
and if TSL beats MVP in GSTL this week your #1 and #2 seeds in the playoffs Polt & HyuN might not make it to the playoffs due to conflicting schedules with the GSTL finals...


Oh Balls.
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
November 20 2012 06:26 GMT
#26
Go Zenio! Hope he makes it to the Round of 16, he deserves to get some attention again.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
November 20 2012 06:39 GMT
#27
Tie-breaks best of 1 ? lol

After fighting all season you only get a best of 1 in tie-break situation ? That is a real coin-flip and not what the players deserve.
*burp*
flakmonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia254 Posts
November 20 2012 06:46 GMT
#28
On November 20 2012 12:32 Killerhands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 12:27 Dexington wrote:
I distinctly remember the broadcast the day Select vs Naniwa was supposed to happen. Select was there, Naniwa wasn't. Naniwa complained on Twitter that he was told Select got the walkover, even though he agreed to a reschedule or something like that.



There was an agreement for a reschedule in the end and SeleCT ended up not showing up (because he was still in limbo on whether or not to finish out NASL).


Being old teammates I wouldn't be surprised if Select helped out Nani a little here by not showing up since he was retiring anyway
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 20 2012 06:46 GMT
#29
Sen is going to beat Zenio again =D! Can't believe they match each other every single season.

Also, Liquipedia is not correct a lot of the time
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Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
November 20 2012 07:29 GMT
#30
On November 20 2012 15:39 Parcelleus wrote:
Tie-breaks best of 1 ? lol

After fighting all season you only get a best of 1 in tie-break situation ? That is a real coin-flip and not what the players deserve.

It's not like they fall out of the season if they lose... the bo1's are only to determine their wildcard seeds...
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
November 20 2012 08:05 GMT
#31
On November 20 2012 15:39 Parcelleus wrote:
Tie-breaks best of 1 ? lol

After fighting all season you only get a best of 1 in tie-break situation ? That is a real coin-flip and not what the players deserve.


Map score breaks ties. When Map Score is tied it only takes 1 map to break that tie. The tie breakers just decide who gets what Seed #
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
November 20 2012 08:06 GMT
#32
On November 20 2012 15:46 Xeris wrote:
Also, Liquipedia is not correct a lot of the time


Indeed, especially when the show itself broadcasts the wrong result for 5 weeks.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 20 2012 08:09 GMT
#33
On November 20 2012 15:39 Parcelleus wrote:
Tie-breaks best of 1 ? lol

After fighting all season you only get a best of 1 in tie-break situation ? That is a real coin-flip and not what the players deserve.

i think arthur/oz deserves more than a bo1 for a tiebreak. the others are just for seeding so it's ok, but arthur-oz is for an entire round's jump
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CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
November 20 2012 08:54 GMT
#34
Sen vs Zenio last time was really nice. Looking forward to it. Sadly HerO gets a teamkill again.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
November 20 2012 08:56 GMT
#35
On November 20 2012 17:54 CrazyBirdman wrote:
Sen vs Zenio last time was really nice. Looking forward to it. Sadly HerO gets a teamkill again.

You say this as if HerO has had to teamkill in NASL outside of division play before...
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 20 2012 08:58 GMT
#36
Sen vs Zenio last season was one of the best ZvZ's ever played

Unfortunately for Zenio he hasn't looked very good since then, while Sen is just awesome
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CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
November 20 2012 09:40 GMT
#37
On November 20 2012 17:56 Elite_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 17:54 CrazyBirdman wrote:
Sen vs Zenio last time was really nice. Looking forward to it. Sadly HerO gets a teamkill again.

You say this as if HerO has had to teamkill in NASL outside of division play before...

Not NASL but HerO in general he often kicks his foreign teammates out of tournaments.
PeterDLai
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States924 Posts
November 20 2012 09:59 GMT
#38
Obligatory seasonal Sen and Zenio GIF:

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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 20 2012 13:47 GMT
#39
On November 20 2012 17:06 BathTubNZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 15:46 Xeris wrote:
Also, Liquipedia is not correct a lot of the time


Indeed, especially when the show itself broadcasts the wrong result for 5 weeks.


And when we are given the wrong information for weeks in the live report thread.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
November 20 2012 13:51 GMT
#40
Well Sen is going to utterly destroy Zenio ... again :D

Ah how i remember that cute waving hand in that booth after Zenio's taunt.
flofff
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden55 Posts
November 20 2012 15:12 GMT
#41
Wow just noticed SortOf's run in the open tournament, pretty sick results. Sad that he has to face Mana though, kinda want both to win =/

Also, nani fighting!
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
November 21 2012 14:30 GMT
#42
cmon Hero!!!
HonorZ
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France858 Posts
November 21 2012 14:41 GMT
#43
Good luck ACER | MMA for your first match under the green uniform
"If you don't drop sweat today you'll drop tears tomorrow"
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
November 21 2012 15:01 GMT
#44
On November 20 2012 15:46 Xeris wrote:
Also, Liquipedia is not correct a lot of the time

That's a bold statement. I doubt that any editor on liquipedia accepts a change without verifying it. Here you go.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16872557
BlueRain387
Profile Joined November 2012
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-21 16:35:42
November 21 2012 16:35 GMT
#45
Are that games playing live? Im asking because i saw some mana vs sortof games few days ago in their games history
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
November 21 2012 17:18 GMT
#46
On November 22 2012 01:35 BlueRain387 wrote:
Are that games playing live? Im asking because i saw some mana vs sortof games few days ago in their games history


The games are not played live
Head of Production at FACEITTV, ex-WW & Mouz SC2 manager
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
November 21 2012 19:48 GMT
#47
On November 22 2012 00:01 ibo422 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2012 15:46 Xeris wrote:
Also, Liquipedia is not correct a lot of the time

That's a bold statement. I doubt that any editor on liquipedia accepts a change without verifying it. Here you go.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16872557


Yeah, the misinformation came straight from the source. If liquipedia is wrong, it's because we were led astray.
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
November 21 2012 21:20 GMT
#48
Updated thread with bracket that's easier to read.
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-21 22:44:01
November 21 2012 22:43 GMT
#49
On November 22 2012 01:35 BlueRain387 wrote:
Are that games playing live? Im asking because i saw some mana vs sortof games few days ago in their games history



I'm pretty sure MMA & Sortof couldn't meet up until the Offline round of 8 at the earliest anyway.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 21 2012 23:11 GMT
#50
On November 22 2012 07:43 BathTubNZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 01:35 BlueRain387 wrote:
Are that games playing live? Im asking because i saw some mana vs sortof games few days ago in their games history



I'm pretty sure MMA & Sortof couldn't meet up until the Offline round of 8 at the earliest anyway.


He said Mana
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
November 21 2012 23:29 GMT
#51
On November 22 2012 08:11 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 07:43 BathTubNZ wrote:
On November 22 2012 01:35 BlueRain387 wrote:
Are that games playing live? Im asking because i saw some mana vs sortof games few days ago in their games history



I'm pretty sure MMA & Sortof couldn't meet up until the Offline round of 8 at the earliest anyway.


He said Mana


Hah wow, reading fail on my part.
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
November 22 2012 01:44 GMT
#52
I'd recommend people try http://www.twitch.tv/nasls4/new
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 22 2012 02:00 GMT
#53
On November 22 2012 10:44 BathTubNZ wrote:
I'd recommend people try http://www.twitch.tv/nasls4/new


Whoa. What's this fancy stuff?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
November 22 2012 02:09 GMT
#54
Celebrate SC2 with some turkey.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 22 2012 02:19 GMT
#55
Umm the graphic in OP shows the winner playing Huk and the loser playing Alicia.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
November 22 2012 02:22 GMT
#56
Nice timing on the Rax lift, saved the SCV, killed the Lings and blocked the Roaches.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
November 22 2012 02:23 GMT
#57
Wait, so, Vibe, Dark, and MMA all have +5 spread, but MMA and Vibe have to go through each other?? That seems like it's punishing the players who did better and just so happened to get the same spread. Shouldn't the people with lower spreads (+1) get booted instead of the tie-breakers between the two better players? And why doesn't Dark have to do a tie-breaker? Is it just completely random? This whole thing doesn't make any sense to me. Someone care to explain?
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 02:27:44
November 22 2012 02:27 GMT
#58
Maybe not the MMA we knew from 2011, but still a strong TvZ showing compared to what we saw in mid 2012.

LOL PUMA PICTURE
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 22 2012 02:27 GMT
#59
On November 22 2012 11:23 Blargh wrote:
Wait, so, Vibe, Dark, and MMA all have +5 spread, but MMA and Vibe have to go through each other?? That seems like it's punishing the players who did better and just so happened to get the same spread. Shouldn't the people with lower spreads (+1) get booted instead of the tie-breakers between the two better players? And why doesn't Dark have to do a tie-breaker? Is it just completely random? This whole thing doesn't make any sense to me. Someone care to explain?


This is just for seeding, nobody is booted out.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 22 2012 02:27 GMT
#60
MMA just made Vibe look like a diamond player ;o
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
November 22 2012 02:30 GMT
#61
On November 22 2012 11:27 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 11:23 Blargh wrote:
Wait, so, Vibe, Dark, and MMA all have +5 spread, but MMA and Vibe have to go through each other?? That seems like it's punishing the players who did better and just so happened to get the same spread. Shouldn't the people with lower spreads (+1) get booted instead of the tie-breakers between the two better players? And why doesn't Dark have to do a tie-breaker? Is it just completely random? This whole thing doesn't make any sense to me. Someone care to explain?


This is just for seeding, nobody is booted out.


Does that mean that even if Vibe loses to MMA, he will still be able in the wildcard bracket...?
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
November 22 2012 02:33 GMT
#62
On November 22 2012 11:30 Blargh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 11:27 Dexington wrote:
On November 22 2012 11:23 Blargh wrote:
Wait, so, Vibe, Dark, and MMA all have +5 spread, but MMA and Vibe have to go through each other?? That seems like it's punishing the players who did better and just so happened to get the same spread. Shouldn't the people with lower spreads (+1) get booted instead of the tie-breakers between the two better players? And why doesn't Dark have to do a tie-breaker? Is it just completely random? This whole thing doesn't make any sense to me. Someone care to explain?


This is just for seeding, nobody is booted out.


Does that mean that even if Vibe loses to MMA, he will still be able in the wildcard bracket...?


Yeah, just a tie break for placement.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
November 22 2012 02:37 GMT
#63
On November 22 2012 11:33 BathTubNZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 11:30 Blargh wrote:
On November 22 2012 11:27 Dexington wrote:
On November 22 2012 11:23 Blargh wrote:
Wait, so, Vibe, Dark, and MMA all have +5 spread, but MMA and Vibe have to go through each other?? That seems like it's punishing the players who did better and just so happened to get the same spread. Shouldn't the people with lower spreads (+1) get booted instead of the tie-breakers between the two better players? And why doesn't Dark have to do a tie-breaker? Is it just completely random? This whole thing doesn't make any sense to me. Someone care to explain?


This is just for seeding, nobody is booted out.


Does that mean that even if Vibe loses to MMA, he will still be able in the wildcard bracket...?


Yeah, just a tie break for placement.

Oh, I see now. I saw Arthur/Oz once and assumed that each of the tie-breakers being played mean the loser is out of the bracket. Thank you for clarification.
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
November 22 2012 02:38 GMT
#64
On November 22 2012 11:30 Blargh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 11:27 Dexington wrote:
On November 22 2012 11:23 Blargh wrote:
Wait, so, Vibe, Dark, and MMA all have +5 spread, but MMA and Vibe have to go through each other?? That seems like it's punishing the players who did better and just so happened to get the same spread. Shouldn't the people with lower spreads (+1) get booted instead of the tie-breakers between the two better players? And why doesn't Dark have to do a tie-breaker? Is it just completely random? This whole thing doesn't make any sense to me. Someone care to explain?


This is just for seeding, nobody is booted out.


Does that mean that even if Vibe loses to MMA, he will still be able in the wildcard bracket...?



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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 02:54:49
November 22 2012 02:49 GMT
#65
Are the winners of the wildcard matches ordered again based on their wildcard seed before going in to the finals?

Like, say Naniwa beats Oz. Would he go to face Polt, as the #16 seed, or would he go to play Arthur, like that graphic seems to suggest. If the latter, it seems unfair to me that Polt would face anyone other than the lowest seeded wildcard player to advance.

Edit: The way Gretorp is talking makes it seem like the matches are set based on the graphic. This disappoints me a lot and makes no sense.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
November 22 2012 02:55 GMT
#66
These between match bits are pretty funny.

God hope Nani can make it.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
snorlax1
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore233 Posts
November 22 2012 02:55 GMT
#67
Oz loss another PvP
YoungTyTy
Profile Joined November 2011
United States801 Posts
November 22 2012 02:59 GMT
#68
On November 22 2012 11:49 Dexington wrote:
Are the winners of the wildcard matches ordered again based on their wildcard seed before going in to the finals?

Like, say Naniwa beats Oz. Would he go to face Polt, as the #16 seed, or would he go to play Arthur, like that graphic seems to suggest. If the latter, it seems unfair to me that Polt would face anyone other than the lowest seeded wildcard player to advance.

Edit: The way Gretorp is talking makes it seem like the matches are set based on the graphic. This disappoints me a lot and makes no sense.

That's how brackets always work. If the number 1 seed gives a walkover in the first round then the next opponent gets a really lucky matchup. It's like that in every sport that I've seen, except for rare exceptions where they reorganize by seed. That doesn't happen very often though.
Any fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 22 2012 03:03 GMT
#69
On November 22 2012 11:59 YoungTyTy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 11:49 Dexington wrote:
Are the winners of the wildcard matches ordered again based on their wildcard seed before going in to the finals?

Like, say Naniwa beats Oz. Would he go to face Polt, as the #16 seed, or would he go to play Arthur, like that graphic seems to suggest. If the latter, it seems unfair to me that Polt would face anyone other than the lowest seeded wildcard player to advance.

Edit: The way Gretorp is talking makes it seem like the matches are set based on the graphic. This disappoints me a lot and makes no sense.

That's how brackets always work. If the number 1 seed gives a walkover in the first round then the next opponent gets a really lucky matchup. It's like that in every sport that I've seen, except for rare exceptions where they reorganize by seed. That doesn't happen very often though.


No sport has wildcards to determine every single player/team's opponent.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
November 22 2012 03:03 GMT
#70
On November 22 2012 11:49 Dexington wrote:
Are the winners of the wildcard matches ordered again based on their wildcard seed before going in to the finals?

Like, say Naniwa beats Oz. Would he go to face Polt, as the #16 seed, or would he go to play Arthur, like that graphic seems to suggest. If the latter, it seems unfair to me that Polt would face anyone other than the lowest seeded wildcard player to advance.

Edit: The way Gretorp is talking makes it seem like the matches are set based on the graphic. This disappoints me a lot and makes no sense.


The winners of the wildcards are re-ranked based off of their seed in the wildcards and then inserted into the playoffs based on that ranking(ranked 1-8). Polt faces whoever is the lowest ranked wildcard seed coming out of the wildcards no matter what, does that help?
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 22 2012 03:04 GMT
#71
On November 22 2012 12:03 NASL.tv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 11:49 Dexington wrote:
Are the winners of the wildcard matches ordered again based on their wildcard seed before going in to the finals?

Like, say Naniwa beats Oz. Would he go to face Polt, as the #16 seed, or would he go to play Arthur, like that graphic seems to suggest. If the latter, it seems unfair to me that Polt would face anyone other than the lowest seeded wildcard player to advance.

Edit: The way Gretorp is talking makes it seem like the matches are set based on the graphic. This disappoints me a lot and makes no sense.


The winners of the wildcards are re-ranked based off of their seed in the wildcards and then inserted into the playoffs based on that ranking(ranked 1-8). Polt faces whoever is the lowest ranked wildcard seed coming out of the wildcards no matter what, does that help?


Perfect, thank you. Gretorp is wrong then.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 22 2012 03:14 GMT
#72
Naniwa has a good shot here, when was the last time Oz won a PvP?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
November 22 2012 03:20 GMT
#73
I guess Oz isn't as cursed as he was in PvP.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
November 22 2012 03:31 GMT
#74
On November 22 2012 12:14 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa has a good shot here, when was the last time Oz won a PvP?


Few weeks ago when he 4-0'ed Naniwa at the MvP tournament? :p
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
November 22 2012 03:34 GMT
#75
Really nice Naniwa, tho a bit lucky with Oz's build.
biamila
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada335 Posts
November 22 2012 03:50 GMT
#76
Naniwa is hero mode :D
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
November 22 2012 03:51 GMT
#77
Ehh, I prefer a NaNiwa vs Polt series anyways, come on NaNi!
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 22 2012 03:57 GMT
#78
On November 22 2012 12:51 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Ehh, I prefer a NaNiwa vs Polt series anyways, come on NaNi!


I'd take Nani/Polt over Arthur/Oz any day.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
emjaytron
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia544 Posts
November 22 2012 04:00 GMT
#79
are they playing cross server the micro has been really poor so far
Grubby - SaSe - Oz - Hero
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
November 22 2012 04:06 GMT
#80
So if I recall correctly, winner of Oz vs NaNiwa faces Polt in Ro16?
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
November 22 2012 04:07 GMT
#81
NA NI WA
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
November 22 2012 04:07 GMT
#82
Korean killer at work
Searching for my twin ling brother.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 04:12:58
November 22 2012 04:08 GMT
#83
On November 22 2012 13:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:
So if I recall correctly, winner of Oz vs NaNiwa faces Polt in Ro16?


If Oz won, he would take the highest wildcard seed and face Arthur. Naniwa won, and since he was seed #16, he takes the lowest wildcard seed and faces Polt.

Just as an example, say the following players win:

Naniwa
Dark
Puma
Mana
Sen
Huk
Vibe
Hero

They would be reorganized in the following order, based on their wildcard seeding

Dark
Sen
Vibe
Hero
Huk
Mana
Puma
Naniwa

Which would make (not in correct bracket order)

Polt vs Naniwa
Hyun vs Puma
Violet vs Mana
finale vs Huk
Taeja vs Hero
Demuslim vs Vibe
MC vs Sen
Dark vs Arthur
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
November 22 2012 04:09 GMT
#84
On November 22 2012 13:08 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 13:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:
So if I recall correctly, winner of Oz vs NaNiwa faces Polt in Ro16?


If Oz won, he would take the highest wildcard seed and face Arthur. Naniwa won, and since he was seed #16, he takes the lowest wildcard seed and faces Polt.


YESSS POLT VS NANIWA FINALLY
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 22 2012 04:10 GMT
#85
NaNiYEAH! \o/
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 22 2012 04:27 GMT
#86
Naniwa is tough, but seeing as Ryung could have been an alternative in a TvT, I think Polt will be fine.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Enel
Profile Joined April 2012
Sudan430 Posts
November 22 2012 04:39 GMT
#87
nanipolt great matchup
Go Sudan
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 22 2012 04:43 GMT
#88
What map is this?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 04:49:38
November 22 2012 04:44 GMT
#89
I really like how Gretorp and frodan have developed. Liked how they dropped the fun mathfact.

Hero's warp prism play so much fun.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
November 22 2012 04:53 GMT
#90
39 siege tank can break everything...
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
November 22 2012 05:13 GMT
#91
Nicely played. I didn't expect a 3-0 tbh.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 22 2012 05:15 GMT
#92
Lol I knew when Frodan said he could "play anyone from Hyun to" he would list the only foreigner possible.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
November 22 2012 05:34 GMT
#93
On November 22 2012 13:08 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 13:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:
So if I recall correctly, winner of Oz vs NaNiwa faces Polt in Ro16?


If Oz won, he would take the highest wildcard seed and face Arthur. Naniwa won, and since he was seed #16, he takes the lowest wildcard seed and faces Polt.

Just as an example, say the following players win:

Naniwa
Dark
Puma
Mana
Sen
Huk
Vibe
Hero

They would be reorganized in the following order, based on their wildcard seeding

Dark
Sen
Vibe
Hero
Huk
Mana
Puma
Naniwa

Which would make (not in correct bracket order)

Polt vs Naniwa
Hyun vs Puma
Violet vs Mana
finale vs Huk
Taeja vs Hero
Demuslim vs Vibe
MC vs Sen
Dark vs Arthur


So if HerO wins, he will have to face Taeja for a spot at the Finals? Damn it...another TL teamkill....
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 22 2012 05:36 GMT
#94
On November 22 2012 14:34 ninjamyst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 13:08 Dexington wrote:
On November 22 2012 13:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:
So if I recall correctly, winner of Oz vs NaNiwa faces Polt in Ro16?


If Oz won, he would take the highest wildcard seed and face Arthur. Naniwa won, and since he was seed #16, he takes the lowest wildcard seed and faces Polt.

Just as an example, say the following players win:

Naniwa
Dark
Puma
Mana
Sen
Huk
Vibe
Hero

They would be reorganized in the following order, based on their wildcard seeding

Dark
Sen
Vibe
Hero
Huk
Mana
Puma
Naniwa

Which would make (not in correct bracket order)

Polt vs Naniwa
Hyun vs Puma
Violet vs Mana
finale vs Huk
Taeja vs Hero
Demuslim vs Vibe
MC vs Sen
Dark vs Arthur


So if HerO wins, he will have to face Taeja for a spot at the Finals? Damn it...another TL teamkill....


No, this is just an example. Hero could face almost anyone other than Polt.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 22 2012 05:48 GMT
#95
Holy crap Sen is crushing Zenio right now. His decision making is just on another level.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
November 22 2012 05:53 GMT
#96
Come on Zenio, comeback time!
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
November 22 2012 05:59 GMT
#97
Sen is so sick at ZvZ. No wonder he was able to crush Curious at WCS.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
November 22 2012 06:03 GMT
#98
Sen's got no tech in this game, don't see him winning.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Supdude
Profile Joined August 2011
244 Posts
November 22 2012 06:24 GMT
#99
Sen won pretty convincingly...
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
November 22 2012 06:24 GMT
#100
Zenio gets knocked out of NASL by Sen every single time.
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
November 22 2012 06:27 GMT
#101
On November 22 2012 15:24 Azarkon wrote:
Zenio gets knocked out of NASL by Sen every single time.

This is actually true. So funny
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
November 22 2012 06:37 GMT
#102
Man, sen is good now.
Searching for my twin ling brother.
flakmonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia254 Posts
November 22 2012 07:17 GMT
#103
On November 22 2012 15:24 Azarkon wrote:
Zenio gets knocked out of NASL by Sen every single time.


Sen has actually played Zenio a total of 14 times in 4 seasons of NASL and winning every series...amazing.
Gatesleeper
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada300 Posts
November 22 2012 07:53 GMT
#104
damn, Sortof 3-0 over Mana, that is surprising.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 22 2012 08:09 GMT
#105
On November 22 2012 16:53 Gatesleeper wrote:
damn, Sortof 3-0 over Mana, that is surprising.


Seems to be in shape. Looking forward to see what he can do in DH.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
November 22 2012 09:04 GMT
#106
Damn, go Sortof, could we have an Wildcard make it to the Finals?
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