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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
September 27 2012 08:37 GMT
#101
On September 27 2012 17:16 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 16:55 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On September 27 2012 16:41 opterown wrote:
imagine if heart scraped it out 4-4 from this group again
then cheeses rain out 3-2
and then cheeses mvp out 3-2
and finally cheeses in the finals, 4-3

he would be the code s winner with the worst winrate during season, ever

The chances of that are statistically very unlikely. Coin flipping can only take you so far.


Actually, assuming we are talking about 50/50 coin flips. This is not unlikely. Basically he has a 1/16 chance which is same as Squirtle, HerO, Leenock. And the six people already in quarters has 1/8 chance.

Coin flipping is just an expression. There's no build or style that produces an exact 50/50 win chance against every player. It's more about playing to get an advantage without actually using much skill where you can also easily come out with a disadvantage.

Coin flipping can be a form of metagaming, or at least is related, but impressive metagaming requires more thought as opposed to randomness. It's a spectrum, and I think Heart plays on the low-thought end.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Dasende
Profile Joined August 2010
United States864 Posts
September 27 2012 08:47 GMT
#102
[SC2: Dasende.347] [@Dasende8702] [HS/Heroes: Dasende#1376] Founder of ChoboTeamLeague
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
September 27 2012 08:48 GMT
#103
On September 27 2012 17:37 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 17:16 vthree wrote:
On September 27 2012 16:55 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On September 27 2012 16:41 opterown wrote:
imagine if heart scraped it out 4-4 from this group again
then cheeses rain out 3-2
and then cheeses mvp out 3-2
and finally cheeses in the finals, 4-3

he would be the code s winner with the worst winrate during season, ever

The chances of that are statistically very unlikely. Coin flipping can only take you so far.


Actually, assuming we are talking about 50/50 coin flips. This is not unlikely. Basically he has a 1/16 chance which is same as Squirtle, HerO, Leenock. And the six people already in quarters has 1/8 chance.

Coin flipping is just an expression. There's no build or style that produces an exact 50/50 win chance against every player. It's more about playing to get an advantage without actually using much skill where you can also easily come out with a disadvantage.

Coin flipping can be a form of metagaming, or at least is related, but impressive metagaming requires more thought as opposed to randomness. It's a spectrum, and I think Heart plays on the low-thought end.


Actually, since players basically play with imperfect information (fog of war). A lot of things can be consider coin flip. Players are always calculating the risk/rewards/player tendencies. Things like CC first, late pool, nexus first all can get punished by the right builds. Obviously, some things like proxy 2 rax/4 gate/bane bust are considered 'big' coin flips because it depends so much on not getting scouted/opponent playing extremely greedy.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
September 27 2012 08:49 GMT
#104
Ah, I miss TTS promotions... T_T
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Dasende
Profile Joined August 2010
United States864 Posts
September 27 2012 08:50 GMT
#105
[SC2: Dasende.347] [@Dasende8702] [HS/Heroes: Dasende#1376] Founder of ChoboTeamLeague
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
September 27 2012 08:50 GMT
#106
Woo Legend is on fire today
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Tazerenix
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia340 Posts
September 27 2012 08:50 GMT
#107
Is it SNSD day today?
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
September 27 2012 08:51 GMT
#108
LEENOCK!!!! Show them why you are mini-Julyzerg!
Long live the Boss Toss!
Dasende
Profile Joined August 2010
United States864 Posts
September 27 2012 08:53 GMT
#109
[SC2: Dasende.347] [@Dasende8702] [HS/Heroes: Dasende#1376] Founder of ChoboTeamLeague
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
September 27 2012 08:56 GMT
#110
3rd place in this group falls to the code A bracket with Hack and Finale
4th place in this group falls to the code A bracket with Genius and Bbyong
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Dasende
Profile Joined August 2010
United States864 Posts
September 27 2012 08:58 GMT
#111
[SC2: Dasende.347] [@Dasende8702] [HS/Heroes: Dasende#1376] Founder of ChoboTeamLeague
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
September 27 2012 08:59 GMT
#112
Not really anything I really want to catch today, but I guess I'll stick around for the Leenock games.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
September 27 2012 08:59 GMT
#113
predicting hero and leenock

gogo
Maruprime.
shineq
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1453 Posts
September 27 2012 08:59 GMT
#114
Why does this song remind me of A-Ha's Take On Me?
"If you can chill, chill." - Liquid`NonY, "david some do it T>T" - SlayerSBoxeR || Twitter: http://twtter.com/shineqGAMING || http://twitch.tv/shineq
EdenPLusDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
571 Posts
September 27 2012 09:00 GMT
#115
On September 27 2012 17:59 shineq wrote:
Why does this song remind me of A-Ha's Take On Me?


Because its like an exact copy. The composer had no inspiration and decided to make a kpop version of that song.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
September 27 2012 09:01 GMT
#116
Hoping for Leenock in 2nd place and a protoss in 1st place. Thinking it's going to be squirtle, hero's results as of late have been pretty lacklustre whilst squirtle seems in top form atm.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
September 27 2012 09:01 GMT
#117
goo leenock
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Dasende
Profile Joined August 2010
United States864 Posts
September 27 2012 09:02 GMT
#118
[SC2: Dasende.347] [@Dasende8702] [HS/Heroes: Dasende#1376] Founder of ChoboTeamLeague
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
September 27 2012 09:02 GMT
#119
Oh shi- Crayon Pop.

Hopefully more of this to come ... ^^
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 27 2012 09:03 GMT
#120
[image loading]

Heart is the one reviving BitByBit. For centuries BitByBit has been dead in the ground, locked away by Tastosis so that he could never harm the GSL again with his SCV all-ins. But Heart has made it into Code S and with every victory he picks up, BitByBit slowly is coming back into the scene.

He's reviving him slowly with his all-in sacrifices.
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