The time has come for the Premier group matches of the IGN Pro Team League!
Group A Schedule: Liquid vs EG: September 11 SlayerS vs MVP: September 18 Liquid vs MVP: September 25 SlayerS vs EG: October 2 SlayerS vs Liquid: October 9 MVP vs EG: October 16
When: Tuesday, Sep 25 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Format
Premier Division Group A is made up of four teams: Team Liquid, SlayerS, MVP, and Evil Geniuses. Group B contains LG-Incredible Miracle, StarTale, Prime, and TSL. Both groups will play round robin against each other team in their group. When group stages are over, the top two teams from each Group will play in a playoff for the $9,000 first prize!
Team Liquid TaeJa Zenio HerO TLO Ret Sheth NonY
MVP DongRaeGu Finale Dream Galaxy KeeN Killer Lure Monster Noblesse sC Sniper TAiLS Vampire Bang YangSongE
The First Game of the IPTL Premier Division Group A is on Tuesday, Sep 25 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Okay dreaaammmuuuu you failed to destroy slayers like I hoped but at least you can tear apart liquid's foreigners (A korean or two would be nice as well)
On September 26 2012 03:03 Doubting wrote: MVP doesn't have a Protoss good enough to take down Taeja and he doesn't lose to anything else.
GG
^ IM with first, yonghwa and seed barely took him down, can't see lure or tails can do this
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. DRG could take down TaeJa but is vulnerable to HerO who is insane against Korean Zergs. I am still hoping for Sheth or Ret to take some maps. Sheth is looking good recently.
The combination of HerO and Taeja should be too much for MVP imo. To take out Taeja would mean sending out Sniper, Monster, or DRG as the MVP Protosses haven't been doing too hot and Taeja has been showing very solid TvT as of late. But I don't think any of those three are favored against HerO. Barring an epic meltdown in the ace match, 5-4 Liquid'.
man im starting to lose hope in drg.. hes not looking so hot these days; getting meta'd by polt and pwnt by taeja in gsl 4. heres to hoping a game 9 drg vs taeja rematch with drg pulling out the clutch win for his team again
On September 26 2012 05:43 sc2chronic wrote: man im starting to lose hope in drg.. hes not looking so hot these days; getting meta'd by polt and pwnt by taeja in gsl 4. heres to hoping a game 9 drg vs taeja rematch with drg pulling out the clutch win for his team again
Nah, TaeJa decided to not lose anymore at TvZ, I love DRG and I feel stupid for saying that he is the underdog against someone.
Liquid fighting for their life in the tournament. Sheth starting it of with a win is really good. The more players the non Taeja players take out the better, showing that defeating Liquid is not equal to defeating Taeja
Talking about how it's a miracle that Sheth (whose actually decent) beat a guy who hasn't been in GSL for months until this season, not to mention it's on a terrible map.
On September 26 2012 08:34 ElephantBaby wrote: Is this on TV somewhere? Since it said "ads in progress", but we can't see commercials, must be on TV, right?
On September 26 2012 08:34 ElephantBaby wrote: Is this on TV somewhere? Since it said "ads in progress", but we can't see commercials, must be on TV, right?
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Man, my bad, sorry for hurting esports, disabling right now.
Hero for PvP oh boy, I remember Nazgul saying they don't like sending out Hero for PvP in the IPL TAC finals behind the scenes video. They really want to save Taeja i guess.
On September 26 2012 08:34 ElephantBaby wrote: Is this on TV somewhere? Since it said "ads in progress", but we can't see commercials, must be on TV, right?
On September 26 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote: Hero for PvP oh boy, I remember Nazgul saying they don't like sending out Hero for PvP in the IPL TAC finals behind the scenes video. They really want to save Taeja i guess.
HerO has been saying lately that he's more confident in PvP than PvZ. This is actually a good match-up for us.
On September 26 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote: Hero for PvP oh boy, I remember Nazgul saying they don't like sending out Hero for PvP in the IPL TAC finals behind the scenes video. They really want to save Taeja i guess.
Could just be a chance for Hero to improve his PvP in a competitive setting without much pressure. Like Coach Kang philosphy.
On September 26 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote: Hero for PvP oh boy, I remember Nazgul saying they don't like sending out Hero for PvP in the IPL TAC finals behind the scenes video. They really want to save Taeja i guess.
HerO has been saying lately that he's more confident in PvP than PvZ. This is actually a good match-up for us.
How does a guy who wins most of his PvZs lately feel less confident in the matchup? Please explain.
On September 26 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote: Hero for PvP oh boy, I remember Nazgul saying they don't like sending out Hero for PvP in the IPL TAC finals behind the scenes video. They really want to save Taeja i guess.
HerO has been saying lately that he's more confident in PvP than PvZ. This is actually a good match-up for us.
Okay then I will believe in the cutetoss.
I think almost all Protoss hate PvZ the most right now so that makes sense.
On September 26 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote: Hero for PvP oh boy, I remember Nazgul saying they don't like sending out Hero for PvP in the IPL TAC finals behind the scenes video. They really want to save Taeja i guess.
HerO has been saying lately that he's more confident in PvP than PvZ. This is actually a good match-up for us.
How does a guy who wins most of his PvZs lately feel less confident in the matchup? Please explain.
On September 26 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote: Hero for PvP oh boy, I remember Nazgul saying they don't like sending out Hero for PvP in the IPL TAC finals behind the scenes video. They really want to save Taeja i guess.
HerO has been saying lately that he's more confident in PvP than PvZ. This is actually a good match-up for us.
How does a guy who wins most of his PvZs lately feel less confident in the matchup? Please explain.
He wins post of his PvZs because he's a far better player than a lot of the folks he plays. I can think of few Protoss who enjoy going up against Z in the lategame
On September 26 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote: Hero for PvP oh boy, I remember Nazgul saying they don't like sending out Hero for PvP in the IPL TAC finals behind the scenes video. They really want to save Taeja i guess.
HerO has been saying lately that he's more confident in PvP than PvZ. This is actually a good match-up for us.
Okay then I will believe in the cutetoss.
I think almost all Protoss hate PvZ the most right now so that makes sense.
I think both sides hate playing that match up more than anything lol. I know symbol says he is scared of playing Protoss.
On September 26 2012 08:55 Dodgin wrote: Hero for PvP oh boy, I remember Nazgul saying they don't like sending out Hero for PvP in the IPL TAC finals behind the scenes video. They really want to save Taeja i guess.
HerO has been saying lately that he's more confident in PvP than PvZ. This is actually a good match-up for us.
How does a guy who wins most of his PvZs lately feel less confident in the matchup? Please explain.
There was an interview where HerO said that slight changes in PvZ were making him uncomfortable. And we don't know what occurs during ladder sessions or training.
Omg HerO actually was put into a PvP and won? Nice! I hope his PvP keeps getting better, because TL really needs a person to take out Protoss players other than Taeja.
PvP hinges on such little things, Hero was trying to hide the Phoenix and sent them out a bit wider, if he'd sent them straight to Tails' base he would have spotted the pylon.
Yeah, I'm not sure what you can do against that as the phoenix player, which makes me sad. I thought I had finally found a safe build for PvP, but I did some tests and it looks like you can't really hold that vs 4 gate robo build.
Even if he had spotted the low ground pylon, what could he have done about it? Maybe leave a sentry at the ramp, but that would only buy a little bit of time...
On September 26 2012 09:25 Ender2701 wrote: Yeah, I'm not sure what you can do against that as the phoenix player, which makes me sad. I thought I had finally found a safe build for PvP, but I did some tests and it looks like you can't really hold that vs 4 gate robo build.
Haha, you, thinking there was a safe PvP build Actually I was much the same, had a lot of success with that style of Phoenix play but it's really tough sometimes to pull off against certain builds.
Plus there's a bit of a nuance to the harassment/scouting with Phoenix aspect, scouting can make you safer against things like DTs, but equally showing your hand early can lose you the element of surprise and other bonuses playing Stargate PvP give you
Hmmm PvZ continues to be a pretty horrible matchup. Not really imbalanced, just pretty boring.
I'd guess that at least half of all games are 2 base allins, and then another few are pre-broodlord timing all ins, and then occasionally someone can pull an Oz and it's a somewhat interesting game.
AskJoshy obviously hasn't watched much starcraft in a long time >_<. Not recognizing that TaeJa's build was just a standard CC first build and saying he was building marines because he wanted to end the game soon... Previous game not realizing it was a 4 gate attack with obs/warpprism after all 4 gates and the robo were building and asking if Tails would expand... wtheck?
I usually don't complain about casters, but it'd be nice if they at least vaguely watched games other than those that they cast.
Hmm, I'm trying to find the stephano vs taeja vod from dreamhack they talked about. I couldnt find it at liquipedia (they only link to vods in the ro16 and after, not group stage). Can anyone link me? thanks.
On September 26 2012 09:50 Wombat_NI wrote: Somebody must know this, what is Taeja's overall W/L in IPTL? Must be nuts by now lol
he is 1:1 this IPTL so far :p
I think 2:1, he won vs JYP and Tails and lost to Stephano.
Ah, yes diffferent name for the league, but I just figured the IPTL was the replacement for IPLTAC. Factor both of those in and Taeja's stats would be pretty handy
On September 26 2012 09:54 Cascade wrote: Hmm, I'm trying to find the stephano vs taeja vod from dreamhack they talked about. I couldnt find it at liquipedia (they only link to vods in the ro16 and after, not group stage). Can anyone link me? thanks.
On September 26 2012 09:54 Cascade wrote: Hmm, I'm trying to find the stephano vs taeja vod from dreamhack they talked about. I couldnt find it at liquipedia (they only link to vods in the ro16 and after, not group stage). Can anyone link me? thanks.
Hm, I thought TaeJa was ahead, how'd that happen? He was ahead in supply by like 30 for awhile then he attacked and he was behind by a bunch, didn't expect that.
On September 26 2012 10:10 Ender2701 wrote: Hm, I thought TaeJa was ahead, how'd that happen? He was ahead in supply by like 30 for awhile then he attacked and he was behind by a bunch, didn't expect that.
Taeja split up his army in two pieces, one near the watchtower and the rest back at his base. Monster threw his whole army at the former, smashed it, then ran rampant all over the production buildings.
On September 26 2012 10:07 Original exxo wrote: lol, what a lucky random timing
butthurt fanboy detected
That engagement shouldn't have won Monster the game if Taeja hadn't left half his marines back home and focused-fire with the tanks better.
Half his marines? There were like 12 marines at home compared to the around 40 he had in the battle (12 =/= 1/2x40) and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities. How does taeja's poor focus firing mean that it was a "lucky random timing". It's called a muta/ling/bling attack when maxed out. Not that uncommon, especially on antiga. There's a reason why there was no infestation pit on the way and the 4th was late
Monster had a very nice split of his lings/banelings to avoid big splash damage from the siege tanks. The thor was also too far behind Taeja's main army to be apart of it, which was a big factor I think. All in all i think it was a very nice recovery from monster as I thought he was playing from behind after the early aggression into macro mode Taeja showcased.
On September 26 2012 10:07 Original exxo wrote: lol, what a lucky random timing
butthurt fanboy detected
That engagement shouldn't have won Monster the game if Taeja hadn't left half his marines back home and focused-fire with the tanks better.
Half his marines? There were like 12 marines at home compared to the around 40 he had in the battle (12 =/= 1/2x40) and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities. How does taeja's poor focus firing mean that it was a "lucky random timing". It's called a muta/ling/bling attack when maxed out. Not that uncommon, especially on antiga. There's a reason why there was no infestation pit on the way and the 4th was late
Because the tanks each used up about 2 shots each on pure lings and not on the clumps of banelings. I didn't say that it was a "lucky random timing" it was a dedicated attack that was meant to trade armies and maybe do some economic damage, but Taeja shouldn't have went out without a maxed army. And 12 + 8 = 20 = 1/2x40.
On September 26 2012 10:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: WHOOPS
I didn't expect Monster to hit such a good timing.
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact. It was a pretty offhand comment that turned out to be wrong (thank god, I'm tired of Taeja carrying his team all the time).
On September 26 2012 10:07 Original exxo wrote: lol, what a lucky random timing
butthurt fanboy detected
That engagement shouldn't have won Monster the game if Taeja hadn't left half his marines back home and focused-fire with the tanks better.
Half his marines? There were like 12 marines at home compared to the around 40 he had in the battle (12 =/= 1/2x40) and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities. How does taeja's poor focus firing mean that it was a "lucky random timing". It's called a muta/ling/bling attack when maxed out. Not that uncommon, especially on antiga. There's a reason why there was no infestation pit on the way and the 4th was late
Because the tanks each used up about 2 shots each on pure lings and not on the clumps of banelings. I didn't say that it was a "lucky random timing" it was a dedicated attack that was meant to trade armies and maybe do some economic damage, but Taeja shouldn't have went out without a maxed army. And 12 + 8 = 20 = 1/2x40.
If you weren't trying to support the claim that it was "a lucky random timing" then why would you reply to me in an order that would imply that, i.e. immediately after I called someone out for that stupid claim.
I never made the claim that the attack should have won the game. What I did say, or imply I guess, was that to say it was a "lucky" and "random" timing is utterly stupid and a clear indication of a butthurt fan.
"and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities." The "them" in "of them" refers to the "12 marines at home" I had mentioned. I know simple arithmetic, read more carefully
On September 26 2012 10:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: WHOOPS
I didn't expect Monster to hit such a good timing.
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
On September 26 2012 10:07 Original exxo wrote: lol, what a lucky random timing
butthurt fanboy detected
That engagement shouldn't have won Monster the game if Taeja hadn't left half his marines back home and focused-fire with the tanks better.
Half his marines? There were like 12 marines at home compared to the around 40 he had in the battle (12 =/= 1/2x40) and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities. How does taeja's poor focus firing mean that it was a "lucky random timing". It's called a muta/ling/bling attack when maxed out. Not that uncommon, especially on antiga. There's a reason why there was no infestation pit on the way and the 4th was late
Because the tanks each used up about 2 shots each on pure lings and not on the clumps of banelings. I didn't say that it was a "lucky random timing" it was a dedicated attack that was meant to trade armies and maybe do some economic damage, but Taeja shouldn't have went out without a maxed army. And 12 + 8 = 20 = 1/2x40.
If you weren't trying to support the claim that it was "a lucky random timing" then why would you reply to me in an order that would imply that, i.e. immediately after I called someone out for that stupid claim.
I never made the claim that the attack should have won the game. What I did say, or imply I guess, was that to say it was a "lucky" and "random" timing is utterly stupid and a clear indication of a butthurt fan.
"and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities." The "them" in "of them" refers to the "12 marines at home" I had mentioned. I know simple arithmetic, read more carefully
Because I was commenting that Taeja was in the wrong to move out pre-max, and that if he had waited for his round of production to finish he would have stood a better chance in an engagement that was severly lopsided? Once again, the "12+8" supports my idea that Taeja should have waited.
EDIT: You seem to be getting all upset and riled up over nothing, especially when also looking at how you reply to CosmicSpiral's posts
On September 26 2012 10:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: WHOOPS
I didn't expect Monster to hit such a good timing.
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
I don't see why you are so bugged about an offhand comment that turned out to be wrong. Explain this to me.
On September 26 2012 10:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: WHOOPS
I didn't expect Monster to hit such a good timing.
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
TL LR threads, where being wrong is a capital offense, and everyone will be sure to tell you.
On September 26 2012 10:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: WHOOPS
I didn't expect Monster to hit such a good timing.
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
I don't see why you are so bugged about an offhand comment that turned out to be wrong. Explain this to me.
On September 26 2012 10:07 Original exxo wrote: lol, what a lucky random timing
butthurt fanboy detected
That engagement shouldn't have won Monster the game if Taeja hadn't left half his marines back home and focused-fire with the tanks better.
Half his marines? There were like 12 marines at home compared to the around 40 he had in the battle (12 =/= 1/2x40) and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities. How does taeja's poor focus firing mean that it was a "lucky random timing". It's called a muta/ling/bling attack when maxed out. Not that uncommon, especially on antiga. There's a reason why there was no infestation pit on the way and the 4th was late
Because the tanks each used up about 2 shots each on pure lings and not on the clumps of banelings. I didn't say that it was a "lucky random timing" it was a dedicated attack that was meant to trade armies and maybe do some economic damage, but Taeja shouldn't have went out without a maxed army. And 12 + 8 = 20 = 1/2x40.
If you weren't trying to support the claim that it was "a lucky random timing" then why would you reply to me in an order that would imply that, i.e. immediately after I called someone out for that stupid claim.
I never made the claim that the attack should have won the game. What I did say, or imply I guess, was that to say it was a "lucky" and "random" timing is utterly stupid and a clear indication of a butthurt fan.
"and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities." The "them" in "of them" refers to the "12 marines at home" I had mentioned. I know simple arithmetic, read more carefully
Because I was commenting that Taeja was in the wrong to move out pre-max, and that if he had waited for his round of production to finish he would have stood a better chance in an engagement that was severly lopsided? Once again, the "12+8" supports my idea that Taeja should have waited.
EDIT: You seem to be getting all upset over nothing...
Then why didn't you simply just make a separate post, rather than seeming like you were defending him. Once again, it's not "12+8" it's just 12. I'm not really sure why you didn't get that yet.
Really? I didn't realize I sounded upset, what with all the organized logic and stuff. In that case, I could say the same, you seem upset, since defending a point seems to indicate anger.
On September 26 2012 10:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: WHOOPS
I didn't expect Monster to hit such a good timing.
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
TL LR threads, where being wrong is a capital offense, and everyone will be sure to tell you.
I told him once that he was wrong. What followed after was him trying to defend himself despite the fact that he clearly was. Try not to butt in without context
On September 26 2012 10:07 Original exxo wrote: lol, what a lucky random timing
butthurt fanboy detected
That engagement shouldn't have won Monster the game if Taeja hadn't left half his marines back home and focused-fire with the tanks better.
Half his marines? There were like 12 marines at home compared to the around 40 he had in the battle (12 =/= 1/2x40) and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities. How does taeja's poor focus firing mean that it was a "lucky random timing". It's called a muta/ling/bling attack when maxed out. Not that uncommon, especially on antiga. There's a reason why there was no infestation pit on the way and the 4th was late
Because the tanks each used up about 2 shots each on pure lings and not on the clumps of banelings. I didn't say that it was a "lucky random timing" it was a dedicated attack that was meant to trade armies and maybe do some economic damage, but Taeja shouldn't have went out without a maxed army. And 12 + 8 = 20 = 1/2x40.
If you weren't trying to support the claim that it was "a lucky random timing" then why would you reply to me in an order that would imply that, i.e. immediately after I called someone out for that stupid claim.
I never made the claim that the attack should have won the game. What I did say, or imply I guess, was that to say it was a "lucky" and "random" timing is utterly stupid and a clear indication of a butthurt fan.
"and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities." The "them" in "of them" refers to the "12 marines at home" I had mentioned. I know simple arithmetic, read more carefully
Because I was commenting that Taeja was in the wrong to move out pre-max, and that if he had waited for his round of production to finish he would have stood a better chance in an engagement that was severly lopsided? Once again, the "12+8" supports my idea that Taeja should have waited.
EDIT: You seem to be getting all upset over nothing...
Then why didn't you simply just make a separate post, rather than seeming like you were defending him. Once again, it's not "12+8" it's just 12. I'm not really sure why you didn't get that yet.
Really? I didn't realize I sounded upset, what with all the organized logic and stuff. In that case, I could say the same, you seem upset, since defending a point seems to indicate anger.
o.O Because it was a comment on the topic of the engagement? I'm saying that Taeja should have waited for more marines...since you say that he was producing 8 marines at a time, and he would have had 12 then, in my opinion he should have continued to wait until he had "12+8".
Idk dude (im assuming you're a dude, please don't be offended if you arent...), when I look at how you respond to CosmicSpiral's posts i think you're pretty mad
On September 26 2012 10:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: WHOOPS
I didn't expect Monster to hit such a good timing.
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
I don't see why you are so bugged about an offhand comment that turned out to be wrong. Explain this to me.
It only took about 15 seconds to write that post, I'm not bugged at all. I don't see why you're so bugged that someone pointed out you were wrong when you clearly were.
On September 26 2012 10:07 Original exxo wrote: lol, what a lucky random timing
butthurt fanboy detected
That engagement shouldn't have won Monster the game if Taeja hadn't left half his marines back home and focused-fire with the tanks better.
Half his marines? There were like 12 marines at home compared to the around 40 he had in the battle (12 =/= 1/2x40) and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities. How does taeja's poor focus firing mean that it was a "lucky random timing". It's called a muta/ling/bling attack when maxed out. Not that uncommon, especially on antiga. There's a reason why there was no infestation pit on the way and the 4th was late
Because the tanks each used up about 2 shots each on pure lings and not on the clumps of banelings. I didn't say that it was a "lucky random timing" it was a dedicated attack that was meant to trade armies and maybe do some economic damage, but Taeja shouldn't have went out without a maxed army. And 12 + 8 = 20 = 1/2x40.
If you weren't trying to support the claim that it was "a lucky random timing" then why would you reply to me in an order that would imply that, i.e. immediately after I called someone out for that stupid claim.
I never made the claim that the attack should have won the game. What I did say, or imply I guess, was that to say it was a "lucky" and "random" timing is utterly stupid and a clear indication of a butthurt fan.
"and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities." The "them" in "of them" refers to the "12 marines at home" I had mentioned. I know simple arithmetic, read more carefully
Because I was commenting that Taeja was in the wrong to move out pre-max, and that if he had waited for his round of production to finish he would have stood a better chance in an engagement that was severly lopsided? Once again, the "12+8" supports my idea that Taeja should have waited.
EDIT: You seem to be getting all upset over nothing...
Then why didn't you simply just make a separate post, rather than seeming like you were defending him. Once again, it's not "12+8" it's just 12. I'm not really sure why you didn't get that yet.
Really? I didn't realize I sounded upset, what with all the organized logic and stuff. In that case, I could say the same, you seem upset, since defending a point seems to indicate anger.
o.O I'm saying that Taeja should have waited for more marines...since you say that he was producing 8 marines at a time, and he would have had 12 then, in my opinion he should have continued to wait until he had "12+8".
Idk dude, when I look at how you respond to CosmicSpiral's posts i think you're pretty mad
How can he wait for more marines when Monster is the one making a timing attack lol. It's called a timing attack for a reason, he was maxed out and thus attacked.
Then you've clearly misinterpreted. It actually seems like you're getting a little frustrated yourself
On September 26 2012 10:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: WHOOPS
I didn't expect Monster to hit such a good timing.
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
TL LR threads, where being wrong is a capital offense, and everyone will be sure to tell you.
I told him once that he was wrong. What followed after was him trying to defend himself despite the fact that he clearly was. Try not to butt in without context
I'm not trying to defend myself. I said that Taeja would win after Monster did nothing to stop the double expansion, and I was wrong. I'm quite happy about that: I really admire Monster's mechanics and I'm tired of Liquid depending on Taeja to pull them out of the hole. However you seem to care a lot more about my posts than I care about my posts, and I find that exceedingly curious considering we don't even know each other. Are you one of those people that cares a lot about being right all the time?
On September 26 2012 10:07 Original exxo wrote: lol, what a lucky random timing
butthurt fanboy detected
That engagement shouldn't have won Monster the game if Taeja hadn't left half his marines back home and focused-fire with the tanks better.
Half his marines? There were like 12 marines at home compared to the around 40 he had in the battle (12 =/= 1/2x40) and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities. How does taeja's poor focus firing mean that it was a "lucky random timing". It's called a muta/ling/bling attack when maxed out. Not that uncommon, especially on antiga. There's a reason why there was no infestation pit on the way and the 4th was late
Because the tanks each used up about 2 shots each on pure lings and not on the clumps of banelings. I didn't say that it was a "lucky random timing" it was a dedicated attack that was meant to trade armies and maybe do some economic damage, but Taeja shouldn't have went out without a maxed army. And 12 + 8 = 20 = 1/2x40.
If you weren't trying to support the claim that it was "a lucky random timing" then why would you reply to me in an order that would imply that, i.e. immediately after I called someone out for that stupid claim.
I never made the claim that the attack should have won the game. What I did say, or imply I guess, was that to say it was a "lucky" and "random" timing is utterly stupid and a clear indication of a butthurt fan.
"and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities." The "them" in "of them" refers to the "12 marines at home" I had mentioned. I know simple arithmetic, read more carefully
Because I was commenting that Taeja was in the wrong to move out pre-max, and that if he had waited for his round of production to finish he would have stood a better chance in an engagement that was severly lopsided? Once again, the "12+8" supports my idea that Taeja should have waited.
EDIT: You seem to be getting all upset over nothing...
Then why didn't you simply just make a separate post, rather than seeming like you were defending him. Once again, it's not "12+8" it's just 12. I'm not really sure why you didn't get that yet.
Really? I didn't realize I sounded upset, what with all the organized logic and stuff. In that case, I could say the same, you seem upset, since defending a point seems to indicate anger.
o.O I'm saying that Taeja should have waited for more marines...since you say that he was producing 8 marines at a time, and he would have had 12 then, in my opinion he should have continued to wait until he had "12+8".
Idk dude, when I look at how you respond to CosmicSpiral's posts i think you're pretty mad
How can he wait for more marines when Monster is the one making a timing attack lol. It's called a timing attack for a reason, he was maxed out and thus attacked.
Then you've clearly misinterpreted. It actually seems like you're getting a little frustrated yourself
Because Monster had the watch-tower, saw that Taeja's army was kinda small when he poked out, and therefore initiated the attack. Uhh i'm not sure where you get that i'm frustrated as 1. I don't actually know you... 2. It's the internet 3. We're debating about a topic that is really insignificant
EDIT: I'm just going to stop paying attention to this conversation as it is probably going to turn into some long-winded argument that stretches the thread on needlessly for another 5 pages.
On September 26 2012 10:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: WHOOPS
I didn't expect Monster to hit such a good timing.
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
TL LR threads, where being wrong is a capital offense, and everyone will be sure to tell you.
I told him once that he was wrong. What followed after was him trying to defend himself despite the fact that he clearly was. Try not to butt in without context
I'm not trying to defend myself. I said that Taeja would win after Monster did nothing to stop the double expansion, and I was wrong. I'm quite happy about that: I really admire Monster's mechanics and I'm tired of Liquid depending on Taeja to pull them out of the hole. However you seem to care a lot more about my posts than I care about my posts, and I find that exceedingly curious considering we don't even know each other. Are you one of those people that cares a lot about being right all the time?
You didn't directly defend yourself, but you tried to steer the conversation away from your error with your "who cares?". The "who cares" led to a new slew of posts because I highly doubt that you've never pointed out someone's mistake; thus, there's some hypocrisy present that I felt needed to be addressed.
I actually couldn't care less about your posts. The conversation really should have ended with "Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof" but you insisted on continuing with the "who cares" again. I was never defending some claim that I previously made, so I have no idea where your "caring about being right" accusation came from. Funny thing is that's what I initially thought you were when you insisted on continuing
I'm not sure, but I got the impression that taeja was losing/sacrificing marines the entire game, while building more ccs and scvs. He was just really low on marines the entire game, sacrificing them to kill tumors/queens, getting caught out in the middle by lings, killed by ling runbys at the nat etc. Taeja was on a really strong eco, and continued to change marines for the zergs economy (or at least non-fighting units like queens, tumors etc). At a certain point monster was fed up and just went all-in, and taeja just barely hadn't had time to rebuild units to defend from his strong economy. Just a little later attack from monster and taeja would have won I think. So a bit too greedy harass play from taeja (his weakness maybe?) and a good call from monster.
On September 26 2012 10:08 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
butthurt fanboy detected
That engagement shouldn't have won Monster the game if Taeja hadn't left half his marines back home and focused-fire with the tanks better.
Half his marines? There were like 12 marines at home compared to the around 40 he had in the battle (12 =/= 1/2x40) and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities. How does taeja's poor focus firing mean that it was a "lucky random timing". It's called a muta/ling/bling attack when maxed out. Not that uncommon, especially on antiga. There's a reason why there was no infestation pit on the way and the 4th was late
Because the tanks each used up about 2 shots each on pure lings and not on the clumps of banelings. I didn't say that it was a "lucky random timing" it was a dedicated attack that was meant to trade armies and maybe do some economic damage, but Taeja shouldn't have went out without a maxed army. And 12 + 8 = 20 = 1/2x40.
If you weren't trying to support the claim that it was "a lucky random timing" then why would you reply to me in an order that would imply that, i.e. immediately after I called someone out for that stupid claim.
I never made the claim that the attack should have won the game. What I did say, or imply I guess, was that to say it was a "lucky" and "random" timing is utterly stupid and a clear indication of a butthurt fan.
"and about 8 of them would have been straight out of production facilities." The "them" in "of them" refers to the "12 marines at home" I had mentioned. I know simple arithmetic, read more carefully
Because I was commenting that Taeja was in the wrong to move out pre-max, and that if he had waited for his round of production to finish he would have stood a better chance in an engagement that was severly lopsided? Once again, the "12+8" supports my idea that Taeja should have waited.
EDIT: You seem to be getting all upset over nothing...
Then why didn't you simply just make a separate post, rather than seeming like you were defending him. Once again, it's not "12+8" it's just 12. I'm not really sure why you didn't get that yet.
Really? I didn't realize I sounded upset, what with all the organized logic and stuff. In that case, I could say the same, you seem upset, since defending a point seems to indicate anger.
o.O I'm saying that Taeja should have waited for more marines...since you say that he was producing 8 marines at a time, and he would have had 12 then, in my opinion he should have continued to wait until he had "12+8".
Idk dude, when I look at how you respond to CosmicSpiral's posts i think you're pretty mad
How can he wait for more marines when Monster is the one making a timing attack lol. It's called a timing attack for a reason, he was maxed out and thus attacked.
Then you've clearly misinterpreted. It actually seems like you're getting a little frustrated yourself
Because Monster had the watch-tower, saw that Taeja's army was kinda small when he poked out, and therefore initiated the attack. Uhh i'm not sure where you get that i'm frustrated as 1. I don't actually know you... 2. It's the internet 3. We're debating about a topic that is really insignificant
EDIT: I'm just going to stop paying attention to this conversation as it is probably going to turn into some long-winded argument that stretches the thread on needlessly for another 5 pages.
So Taeja should have made more marines because "Monster had the watch-tower and saw Taeja's army". How could he have known that his army was small in comparison to Monster'sunless he scanned? That's the point of the timing attack.
Exactly. So I'm not exactly sure where you got that I was upset as 1. I don't know you either 2. It's the internet 3. Your support has been pretty lackluster, so not much to get ruffled over
Very mature, get in the last word then leave. There's a reason why debates have equal number of rebuttals.
On September 26 2012 10:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: WHOOPS
I didn't expect Monster to hit such a good timing.
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
TL LR threads, where being wrong is a capital offense, and everyone will be sure to tell you.
I told him once that he was wrong. What followed after was him trying to defend himself despite the fact that he clearly was. Try not to butt in without context
I'm not trying to defend myself. I said that Taeja would win after Monster did nothing to stop the double expansion, and I was wrong. I'm quite happy about that: I really admire Monster's mechanics and I'm tired of Liquid depending on Taeja to pull them out of the hole. However you seem to care a lot more about my posts than I care about my posts, and I find that exceedingly curious considering we don't even know each other. Are you one of those people that cares a lot about being right all the time?
My guess is yes, but he likes getting into lots and lots of arguments over the internet more .
On September 26 2012 10:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: WHOOPS
I didn't expect Monster to hit such a good timing.
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
TL LR threads, where being wrong is a capital offense, and everyone will be sure to tell you.
I told him once that he was wrong. What followed after was him trying to defend himself despite the fact that he clearly was. Try not to butt in without context
I'm not trying to defend myself. I said that Taeja would win after Monster did nothing to stop the double expansion, and I was wrong. I'm quite happy about that: I really admire Monster's mechanics and I'm tired of Liquid depending on Taeja to pull them out of the hole. However you seem to care a lot more about my posts than I care about my posts, and I find that exceedingly curious considering we don't even know each other. Are you one of those people that cares a lot about being right all the time?
You didn't directly defend yourself, but you tried to steer the conversation away from your error with your "who cares?". The "who cares" led to a new slew of posts because I highly doubt that you've never pointed out someone's mistake; thus, there's some hypocrisy present that I felt needed to be addressed.
I actually couldn't care less about your posts. The conversation really should have ended with "Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof" but you insisted on continuing with the "who cares" again. I was never defending some claim that I previously made, so I have no idea where your "caring about being right" accusation came from. Funny thing is that's what I initially thought you were when you insisted on continuing
Many of my longer posts are dedicated to pointing out errors in reasoning; however, I usually reserve that for very long posts that attempt to make an comprehensive argument.
Absolute statements allow me to write spontaneous and have subtext in my posts instead of being purely dry and factual.
It certainly seems like you place great value on being right/wrong judging from your posts. However, the conversation has shed some light on our respective personalities and that is far more interesting personally than debating the merits of my original post (which was obviously wrong).
On September 26 2012 10:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: WHOOPS
I didn't expect Monster to hit such a good timing.
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
TL LR threads, where being wrong is a capital offense, and everyone will be sure to tell you.
I told him once that he was wrong. What followed after was him trying to defend himself despite the fact that he clearly was. Try not to butt in without context
I'm not trying to defend myself. I said that Taeja would win after Monster did nothing to stop the double expansion, and I was wrong. I'm quite happy about that: I really admire Monster's mechanics and I'm tired of Liquid depending on Taeja to pull them out of the hole. However you seem to care a lot more about my posts than I care about my posts, and I find that exceedingly curious considering we don't even know each other. Are you one of those people that cares a lot about being right all the time?
My guess is yes, but he likes getting into lots and lots of arguments over the internet more .
On September 26 2012 10:07 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
TL LR threads, where being wrong is a capital offense, and everyone will be sure to tell you.
I told him once that he was wrong. What followed after was him trying to defend himself despite the fact that he clearly was. Try not to butt in without context
I'm not trying to defend myself. I said that Taeja would win after Monster did nothing to stop the double expansion, and I was wrong. I'm quite happy about that: I really admire Monster's mechanics and I'm tired of Liquid depending on Taeja to pull them out of the hole. However you seem to care a lot more about my posts than I care about my posts, and I find that exceedingly curious considering we don't even know each other. Are you one of those people that cares a lot about being right all the time?
My guess is yes, but he likes getting into lots and lots of arguments over the internet more .
NIce out of context contribution
Sorry man, just weighing in based on just reading through this thread <3 And thanks for proving my point too
On September 26 2012 10:07 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
you were still ridiculously wrong
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
TL LR threads, where being wrong is a capital offense, and everyone will be sure to tell you.
I told him once that he was wrong. What followed after was him trying to defend himself despite the fact that he clearly was. Try not to butt in without context
I'm not trying to defend myself. I said that Taeja would win after Monster did nothing to stop the double expansion, and I was wrong. I'm quite happy about that: I really admire Monster's mechanics and I'm tired of Liquid depending on Taeja to pull them out of the hole. However you seem to care a lot more about my posts than I care about my posts, and I find that exceedingly curious considering we don't even know each other. Are you one of those people that cares a lot about being right all the time?
You didn't directly defend yourself, but you tried to steer the conversation away from your error with your "who cares?". The "who cares" led to a new slew of posts because I highly doubt that you've never pointed out someone's mistake; thus, there's some hypocrisy present that I felt needed to be addressed.
I actually couldn't care less about your posts. The conversation really should have ended with "Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof" but you insisted on continuing with the "who cares" again. I was never defending some claim that I previously made, so I have no idea where your "caring about being right" accusation came from. Funny thing is that's what I initially thought you were when you insisted on continuing
Many of my longer posts are dedicated to pointing out errors in reasoning; however, I usually reserve that for very long posts that attempt to make an comprehensive argument.
Absolute statements allow me to write spontaneous and have subtext in my posts instead of being purely dry and factual.
It certainly seems like you place great value on being right/wrong judging from your posts. However, the conversation has shed some light on our respective personalities and that is far more interesting personally than debating the merits of my original post (which was obviously wrong).
Longer =/= more comprehensive argument. In fact, arguments should be to the point. Just saying.
You don't have to act infallible to avoid being dry. What's wrong with saying "Taeja got this" instead of "taeja already won this". Essentially the same message gets sent, neither is more dry than the other, but the 1st is much less absolute, friendlier, and less prone to incorrectness.
Judging from your posts, it certainly seems that you place great value on being right/wrong, considering this whole conversation evolved from your initial refusal to accept your error without an attack in response.
On September 26 2012 10:08 CosmicSpiral wrote: [quote]
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
TL LR threads, where being wrong is a capital offense, and everyone will be sure to tell you.
I told him once that he was wrong. What followed after was him trying to defend himself despite the fact that he clearly was. Try not to butt in without context
I'm not trying to defend myself. I said that Taeja would win after Monster did nothing to stop the double expansion, and I was wrong. I'm quite happy about that: I really admire Monster's mechanics and I'm tired of Liquid depending on Taeja to pull them out of the hole. However you seem to care a lot more about my posts than I care about my posts, and I find that exceedingly curious considering we don't even know each other. Are you one of those people that cares a lot about being right all the time?
My guess is yes, but he likes getting into lots and lots of arguments over the internet more .
NIce out of context contribution
Sorry man, just weighing in based on just reading through this thread <3 And thanks for proving my point too
Just based on those two points, I can tell you're one of those people who act like they're above the quarreling masses of the internet by generally avoiding them and only finding opportunities to add in short, sly comments just to show that you're just that witty. Actually, I could tell that from your first post, but the second one proved it for sure
Edit: on post 999, don't really wana waste 1000th post on you or that other guy. Have a nice life, keep up the wit
On September 26 2012 10:15 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
TL LR threads, where being wrong is a capital offense, and everyone will be sure to tell you.
I told him once that he was wrong. What followed after was him trying to defend himself despite the fact that he clearly was. Try not to butt in without context
I'm not trying to defend myself. I said that Taeja would win after Monster did nothing to stop the double expansion, and I was wrong. I'm quite happy about that: I really admire Monster's mechanics and I'm tired of Liquid depending on Taeja to pull them out of the hole. However you seem to care a lot more about my posts than I care about my posts, and I find that exceedingly curious considering we don't even know each other. Are you one of those people that cares a lot about being right all the time?
My guess is yes, but he likes getting into lots and lots of arguments over the internet more .
NIce out of context contribution
Sorry man, just weighing in based on just reading through this thread <3 And thanks for proving my point too
Just based on those two points, I can tell you're one of those people who act like they're above the quarreling masses of the internet by generally avoiding them and only finding opportunities to add in short, sly comments just to show that you're just that witty. Actually, I could tell that from your first post, but the second one proved it for sure
Edit: on post 999, don't really wana waste 1000th post on you or that other guy. Have a nice life, keep up the wit
On September 26 2012 10:08 CosmicSpiral wrote: [quote]
Who cares?
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
TL LR threads, where being wrong is a capital offense, and everyone will be sure to tell you.
I told him once that he was wrong. What followed after was him trying to defend himself despite the fact that he clearly was. Try not to butt in without context
I'm not trying to defend myself. I said that Taeja would win after Monster did nothing to stop the double expansion, and I was wrong. I'm quite happy about that: I really admire Monster's mechanics and I'm tired of Liquid depending on Taeja to pull them out of the hole. However you seem to care a lot more about my posts than I care about my posts, and I find that exceedingly curious considering we don't even know each other. Are you one of those people that cares a lot about being right all the time?
You didn't directly defend yourself, but you tried to steer the conversation away from your error with your "who cares?". The "who cares" led to a new slew of posts because I highly doubt that you've never pointed out someone's mistake; thus, there's some hypocrisy present that I felt needed to be addressed.
I actually couldn't care less about your posts. The conversation really should have ended with "Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof" but you insisted on continuing with the "who cares" again. I was never defending some claim that I previously made, so I have no idea where your "caring about being right" accusation came from. Funny thing is that's what I initially thought you were when you insisted on continuing
Many of my longer posts are dedicated to pointing out errors in reasoning; however, I usually reserve that for very long posts that attempt to make an comprehensive argument.
Absolute statements allow me to write spontaneous and have subtext in my posts instead of being purely dry and factual.
It certainly seems like you place great value on being right/wrong judging from your posts. However, the conversation has shed some light on our respective personalities and that is far more interesting personally than debating the merits of my original post (which was obviously wrong).
Longer =/= more comprehensive argument. In fact, arguments should be to the point. Just saying.
You don't have to act infallible to avoid being dry. What's wrong with saying "Taeja got this" instead of "taeja already won this". Essentially the same message gets sent, neither is more dry than the other, but the 1st is much less absolute, friendlier, and less prone to incorrectness.
Judging from your posts, it certainly seems that you place great value on being right/wrong, considering this whole conversation evolved from your initial refusal to accept your error without an attack in response.
Arguments that are to the point generally make errors in their assumptions. They simply don't take the time to examine the validity of their own propositions. Of course longer arguments can also be full of useless junk.
"Taeja got this" doesn't express my annoyance that once again, Taeja has had the responsibility of winning another team league match by himself. Or my annoyance that once again, Taeja follows up an extremely aggressive early game attack with an extremely economic followup and the zerg decides to sit back passively.
If an attack involves admitting I had very little investment in the truth of my initial statement, then yes I did take a hockey stick to your face.
On September 26 2012 10:15 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
Simply pointing out that next time you maybe shouldn't be so absolute in your claims unless you have some certain proof
Again, who cares? I never presented the statement as an absolute fact.
"Taeja has already won this game. -_-" Seems pretty absolute to me. If you inserted the word "maybe, probably, or likely" in that sentence, then it wouldn't have sounded so established.
TL LR threads, where being wrong is a capital offense, and everyone will be sure to tell you.
I told him once that he was wrong. What followed after was him trying to defend himself despite the fact that he clearly was. Try not to butt in without context
I'm not trying to defend myself. I said that Taeja would win after Monster did nothing to stop the double expansion, and I was wrong. I'm quite happy about that: I really admire Monster's mechanics and I'm tired of Liquid depending on Taeja to pull them out of the hole. However you seem to care a lot more about my posts than I care about my posts, and I find that exceedingly curious considering we don't even know each other. Are you one of those people that cares a lot about being right all the time?
My guess is yes, but he likes getting into lots and lots of arguments over the internet more .
NIce out of context contribution
Sorry man, just weighing in based on just reading through this thread <3 And thanks for proving my point too
Just based on those two points, I can tell you're one of those people who act like they're above the quarreling masses of the internet by generally avoiding them and only finding opportunities to add in short, sly comments just to show that you're just that witty. Actually, I could tell that from your first post, but the second one proved it for sure
Edit: on post 999, don't really wana waste 1000th post on you or that other guy. Have a nice life, keep up the wit
Thanks for the compliments <3 I enjoy being sly and witty It's posters like you on TL that make my day go by so much smoother, knowing that there are people out there who understand me so well and can fully appreciate the expanse of my wit and humor, as well as understanding my tactics of maintaining my superiority by staying above the mess of confusion that goes on in the forums.
On September 26 2012 12:01 brokenLoL wrote: Taeja is pretty much only good in offline tournaments. Look at his loss vs Stephano last IPTL match then look at his wins at dhv.
Also this win isn't even that huge because its online and a best of 1.
Yeah, he totally sucks in IPTL, just look at last season, didn't manage to all kill IM twice in a row.
On September 26 2012 12:01 brokenLoL wrote: Taeja is pretty much only good in offline tournaments. Look at his loss vs Stephano last IPTL match then look at his wins at dhv.
Also this win isn't even that huge because its online and a best of 1.
Yeah, he totally sucks in IPTL, just look at last season, didn't manage to all kill IM twice in a row.
...how do people even forget the epic nature of what Taeja did at the IPTL.
On September 26 2012 12:01 brokenLoL wrote: Taeja is pretty much only good in offline tournaments. Look at his loss vs Stephano last IPTL match then look at his wins at dhv.
Also this win isn't even that huge because its online and a best of 1.
Could possibly the most incorrect statement ever made
On September 26 2012 12:01 brokenLoL wrote: Taeja is pretty much only good in offline tournaments. Look at his loss vs Stephano last IPTL match then look at his wins at dhv.
Also this win isn't even that huge because its online and a best of 1.
Yeah, he totally sucks in IPTL, just look at last season, didn't manage to all kill IM twice in a row.
You do realize last "season" was Team Arena Challenge 3 and this "season" is IGN Pro Team League, right?
You're trying to compare apples and oranges here. Yes they are both Team Leagues, but last time in TAC, there wasn't a Premier, Contender, and Amateur divisions. There was just one single thing. This time, since TL is in the Premier Division, they play only good teams and no bad teams. Nice try.
On September 26 2012 12:01 brokenLoL wrote: Taeja is pretty much only good in offline tournaments. Look at his loss vs Stephano last IPTL match then look at his wins at dhv.
Also this win isn't even that huge because its online and a best of 1.
Do you realize that Taeja was known as "online bonjwa", "King of ESV Weekly" etc. before he finally broke out in live events? >_> Now, suddenly he's only good in offline tournaments because of a few IPTL losses... lol.
On September 26 2012 12:01 brokenLoL wrote: Taeja is pretty much only good in offline tournaments. Look at his loss vs Stephano last IPTL match then look at his wins at dhv.
Also this win isn't even that huge because its online and a best of 1.
Yeah, he totally sucks in IPTL, just look at last season, didn't manage to all kill IM twice in a row.
You do realize last "season" was Team Arena Challenge 3 and this "season" is IGN Pro Team League, right?
You're trying to compare apples and oranges here. Yes they are both Team Leagues, but last time in TAC, there wasn't a Premier, Contender, and Amateur divisions. There was just one single thing. This time, since TL is in the Premier Division, they play only good teams and no bad teams. Nice try.
Wow, so much wrong with this it makes my head hurt. First you try get all nitpicky at the team league names even though it's irrelevant, and then you imply that teams like SlayerS, StarTale, and Prime are bad teams (Taeja 4-kill against SlayerS and ST, all-kill against Prime). The funniest part is that you're smugly telling the guy "Nice Try" while you're making an incredibly stupid argument.
On September 26 2012 12:01 brokenLoL wrote: Taeja is pretty much only good in offline tournaments. Look at his loss vs Stephano last IPTL match then look at his wins at dhv.
Also this win isn't even that huge because its online and a best of 1.
Yeah, he totally sucks in IPTL, just look at last season, didn't manage to all kill IM twice in a row.
You do realize last "season" was Team Arena Challenge 3 and this "season" is IGN Pro Team League, right?
You're trying to compare apples and oranges here. Yes they are both Team Leagues, but last time in TAC, there wasn't a Premier, Contender, and Amateur divisions. There was just one single thing. This time, since TL is in the Premier Division, they play only good teams and no bad teams. Nice try.
Are you fucking kidding me? I was referring to the time where Taeja All-killed IM (which i'm sure you know of and how ridiculously good they are) and almost did it again during the same night, only losing to Seed, the Code S champion. He also all killed Prime, and won four games vs slayers in the losers finals so now I wonder why you're accusing me of comparing apples and oranges when i was only referring to the times he did good vs good teams.
Also, your statement about him being only good in offline tournaments just makes you look stupid. First of all " Look at his loss vs Stephano" Yeah, that guy totally sucks, the best guy outside of Korea and just won Nasl beating boss toss and sveral other top koreans. Losing to Stephano is nothing to be ashamed of. Second of all, Taeja has by far the best record in IPL TAC3 (Am I doing it right now?) so how in the actual fuck did you come to the conclusion that Taeja is only good in offline tournaments?
Please, go hide somewhere, you're embarrassing yourself.
On September 26 2012 12:01 brokenLoL wrote: Taeja is pretty much only good in offline tournaments. Look at his loss vs Stephano last IPTL match then look at his wins at dhv.
Also this win isn't even that huge because its online and a best of 1.
Yeah, he totally sucks in IPTL, just look at last season, didn't manage to all kill IM twice in a row.
You do realize last "season" was Team Arena Challenge 3 and this "season" is IGN Pro Team League, right?
You're trying to compare apples and oranges here. Yes they are both Team Leagues, but last time in TAC, there wasn't a Premier, Contender, and Amateur divisions. There was just one single thing. This time, since TL is in the Premier Division, they play only good teams and no bad teams. Nice try.
Are you fucking kidding me? I was referring to the time where Taeja All-killed IM (which i'm sure you know of and how ridiculously good they are) and almost did it again during the same night, only losing to Seed, the Code S champion. He also all killed Prime, and won four games vs slayers in the losers finals so now I wonder why you're accusing me of comparing apples and oranges when i was only referring to the times he did good vs good teams.
Also, your statement about him being only good in offline tournaments just makes you look stupid. First of all " Look at his loss vs Stephano" Yeah, that guy totally sucks, the best guy outside of Korea and just won Nasl beating boss toss and sveral other top koreans. Losing to Stephano is nothing to be ashamed of. Second of all, Taeja has by far the best record in IPL TAC3 (Am I doing it right now?) so how in the actual fuck did you come to the conclusion that Taeja is only good in offline modes?
Please, go hide somewhere, you're embarrassing yourself.
On September 26 2012 12:01 brokenLoL wrote: Taeja is pretty much only good in offline tournaments. Look at his loss vs Stephano last IPTL match then look at his wins at dhv.
Also this win isn't even that huge because its online and a best of 1.
Yeah, he totally sucks in IPTL, just look at last season, didn't manage to all kill IM twice in a row.
You do realize last "season" was Team Arena Challenge 3 and this "season" is IGN Pro Team League, right?
You're trying to compare apples and oranges here. Yes they are both Team Leagues, but last time in TAC, there wasn't a Premier, Contender, and Amateur divisions. There was just one single thing. This time, since TL is in the Premier Division, they play only good teams and no bad teams. Nice try.
Are you fucking kidding me? I was referring to the time where Taeja All-killed IM (which i'm sure you know of and how ridiculously good they are) and almost did it again during the same night, only losing to Seed, the Code S champion. He also all killed Prime, and won four games vs slayers in the losers finals so now I wonder why you're accusing me of comparing apples and oranges when i was only referring to the times he did good vs good teams.
Also, your statement about him being only good in offline tournaments just makes you look stupid. First of all " Look at his loss vs Stephano" Yeah, that guy totally sucks, the best guy outside of Korea and just won Nasl beating boss toss and sveral other top koreans. Losing to Stephano is nothing to be ashamed of. Second of all, Taeja has by far the best record in IPL TAC3 (Am I doing it right now?) so how in the actual fuck did you come to the conclusion that Taeja is only good in offline modes?
Please, go hide somewhere, you're embarrassing yourself.
>Taeja wins, people say he's so good omg omg what a boss >Taeja loses, those same people say he is overrated.
Looking at this thread and the old TAC finals thread, alot of people in that thread praised him for his near double all-kill on IM, but bash him in this thread and other threads for losing a few matches.
Grow up fags, taeja is still the best player in the world regardless of losing a game here and there.
Grow up fags, taeja is still the best player in the world regardless of losing a game here and there.
I actually doubt he is.
By.Rain has displayed more impressive results lately and would be the favorite to win both OSL and Code S, and there is Mvp who is on a good run getting back his GSL throne.
I would rank TaeJa 3rd or 4th along with DRG.
Nonetheless such a player alone isnt enough to win Teamleagues, HerO has his Ups and Downs and isnt consistent such as Seed or Squirtle.
MVP has a very deep lineup, full of experienced players that can snipe out any player, and they can win stuff even without using their master (DRG)
Grow up fags, taeja is still the best player in the world regardless of losing a game here and there.
I actually doubt he is.
By.Rain has displayed more impressive results lately and would be the favorite to win both OSL and Code S, and there is Mvp who is on a good run getting back his GSL throne.
I would rank TaeJa 3rd or 4th along with DRG.
Nonetheless such a player alone isnt enough to win Teamleagues, HerO has his Ups and Downs and isnt consistent such as Seed or Squirtle.
MVP has a very deep lineup, full of experienced players that can snipe out any player, and they can win stuff even without using their master (DRG)
By.Rain is indeed impressive but taeja won like 4 events in the last months and it's on his 3rd code S ro8 season! don't even compare them lol
Grow up fags, taeja is still the best player in the world regardless of losing a game here and there.
I actually doubt he is.
By.Rain has displayed more impressive results lately and would be the favorite to win both OSL and Code S, and there is Mvp who is on a good run getting back his GSL throne.
I would rank TaeJa 3rd or 4th along with DRG.
Nonetheless such a player alone isnt enough to win Teamleagues, HerO has his Ups and Downs and isnt consistent such as Seed or Squirtle.
MVP has a very deep lineup, full of experienced players that can snipe out any player, and they can win stuff even without using their master (DRG)
By.Rain is indeed impressive but taeja won like 4 events in the last months and it's on his 3rd code S ro8 season! don't even compare them lol
The events he won were all foreign tournaments though.....
Grow up fags, taeja is still the best player in the world regardless of losing a game here and there.
I actually doubt he is.
By.Rain has displayed more impressive results lately and would be the favorite to win both OSL and Code S, and there is Mvp who is on a good run getting back his GSL throne.
I would rank TaeJa 3rd or 4th along with DRG.
Nonetheless such a player alone isnt enough to win Teamleagues, HerO has his Ups and Downs and isnt consistent such as Seed or Squirtle.
MVP has a very deep lineup, full of experienced players that can snipe out any player, and they can win stuff even without using their master (DRG)
By.Rain is indeed impressive but taeja won like 4 events in the last months and it's on his 3rd code S ro8 season! don't even compare them lol
compare the amount they both practiced SC2 and you will see By,Rain performance is WAY better.
Grow up fags, taeja is still the best player in the world regardless of losing a game here and there.
I actually doubt he is.
By.Rain has displayed more impressive results lately and would be the favorite to win both OSL and Code S, and there is Mvp who is on a good run getting back his GSL throne.
I would rank TaeJa 3rd or 4th along with DRG.
Nonetheless such a player alone isnt enough to win Teamleagues, HerO has his Ups and Downs and isnt consistent such as Seed or Squirtle.
MVP has a very deep lineup, full of experienced players that can snipe out any player, and they can win stuff even without using their master (DRG)
By.Rain is indeed impressive but taeja won like 4 events in the last months and it's on his 3rd code S ro8 season! don't even compare them lol
compare the amount they both practiced SC2 and you will see By,Rain performance is WAY better.
That doesn't mean anything tho... They are both great players, but I personally think that Taeja is better due to him winning even if he does "small" mistakes some times (like stimming for no reason or something). By.Sun is quite a great player, but don't underestimate how much he played SC2, 'cause he wasn't prominent in BW.
Dont overhype. As he himself said, players havent figured him out yet. Once that happens we will see if he stays at the top. As for Taeja, he has proven how good he is. Losing a set to monster doesnt make him bad, stop looking at every single loss of him seriously. You cant be invincible in a teamleague, monster simply sniped him
On September 27 2012 01:28 Bam Lee wrote: Dont overhype. As he himself said, players havent figured him out yet. Once that happens we will see if he stays at the top. As for Taeja, he has proven how good he is. Losing a set to monster doesnt make him bad, stop looking at every single loss of him seriously. You cant be invincible in a teamleague, monster simply sniped him
You mean like how EG trained Stephano to snipe Taeja? And how a week later Taeja utterly dominates Stephano OFFLINE?
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