On September 18 2012 18:46 ElephantBaby wrote: Those who says the series is terrible, obviously don't understand every detail and thoughts zerg players put into the game. They can only saw the obvious.
Uhh.. it was fairly bad... Ace looked his usual PvZ self and the games were very one sided.... just because one person executes a plan the way they want it does not automatically make it a good series.
Not many GSL zergs have those multi prong attack skills.
Are you truly this blind to what you want to see or do you enjoy troll baiting? Judging a match when the opponents are not closely matched is pretty silly. A masters player would look pretty darn good when crushing a plat or diamond player in 10 minutes too.
yes because its so correct to assume that it was Ace that is a TERRIBLE player (despite having ST_Life and ST_Curious to practice against.. Both of which are CRUSHING and in Code S Ro16.. oh yea, not to mention Squirtle)
It would be so ridiculous to assume that Roro just played really well.... why would we do that?
I mean.. Roro only 2-0'd Seed recently in the WCS, the last GSL CHAMPION. I mean, why would we ever assume ROro is good.
roro got beaten by some fifteen year old noob protoss man, he must be a scrub
coming from someone who is obviously a creator fanboy... i dont know what to say
On September 18 2012 18:46 ElephantBaby wrote: Those who says the series is terrible, obviously don't understand every detail and thoughts zerg players put into the game. They can only saw the obvious.
Uhh.. it was fairly bad... Ace looked his usual PvZ self and the games were very one sided.... just because one person executes a plan the way they want it does not automatically make it a good series.
Not many GSL zergs have those multi prong attack skills.
Are you truly this blind to what you want to see or do you enjoy troll baiting? Judging a match when the opponents are not closely matched is pretty silly. A masters player would look pretty darn good when crushing a plat or diamond player in 10 minutes too.
yes because its so correct to assume that it was Ace that is a TERRIBLE player (despite having ST_Life and ST_Curious to practice against.. Both of which are CRUSHING and in Code S Ro16.. oh yea, not to mention Squirtle)
It would be so ridiculous to assume that Roro just played really well.... why would we do that?
I mean.. Roro only 2-0'd Seed recently in the WCS, the last GSL CHAMPION. I mean, why would we ever assume ROro is good.
For a while i thought you were just trolling but it appears that you are actually seriously getting worked up about this. Ace is not known to be a great player with outstanding results in individual leagues, and roro just beat him in pretty unremarkable games in the first round of Code A. Just drop the issue already, because there is no issue. Sheesh.
its interesting how you completely ignored the fact that Roro 2-0'd Seed. if you check the previous posts, im only defending the unnecessary hate that was given to Roro, despite him playing a flawless game, albeit vs a mediocre Protoss
There was no hate given to Roro, you're just being an idiot and continuously derailing the thread.
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Hack a bit sloppy on his unit retreat but he got a lot of damage done, has all his tech up, and has a massive economy advantage so he really should have this game in the bag.
On September 18 2012 18:46 ElephantBaby wrote: Those who says the series is terrible, obviously don't understand every detail and thoughts zerg players put into the game. They can only saw the obvious.
Uhh.. it was fairly bad... Ace looked his usual PvZ self and the games were very one sided.... just because one person executes a plan the way they want it does not automatically make it a good series.
Not many GSL zergs have those multi prong attack skills.
Are you truly this blind to what you want to see or do you enjoy troll baiting? Judging a match when the opponents are not closely matched is pretty silly. A masters player would look pretty darn good when crushing a plat or diamond player in 10 minutes too.
yes because its so correct to assume that it was Ace that is a TERRIBLE player (despite having ST_Life and ST_Curious to practice against.. Both of which are CRUSHING and in Code S Ro16.. oh yea, not to mention Squirtle)
It would be so ridiculous to assume that Roro just played really well.... why would we do that?
I mean.. Roro only 2-0'd Seed recently in the WCS, the last GSL CHAMPION. I mean, why would we ever assume ROro is good.
For a while i thought you were just trolling but it appears that you are actually seriously getting worked up about this. Ace is not known to be a great player with outstanding results in individual leagues, and roro just beat him in pretty unremarkable games in the first round of Code A. Just drop the issue already, because there is no issue. Sheesh.
its interesting how you completely ignored the fact that Roro 2-0'd Seed. if you check the previous posts, im only defending the unnecessary hate that was given to Roro, despite him playing a flawless game, albeit vs a mediocre Protoss
noone's hating on roro; if there is any hate, people are bashing ace lol
On September 18 2012 18:55 Shellshock1122 wrote: Hack vs rare Game 1 Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 Hack spawns in the top left rare spawns in the bottom right
1:45 rax first for hack scouted by a drone scout hatch first from rare Maka rax built by Hack but it is scouted by the drone the drone begins harassing the building scv but hack sends another scv out to defend it
3:00 pool after hatch from rare
4:00 hack begins sending marines and 2 scvs across the map rare pulls a bunch of drones down to his natural and starts a spine at his natural Hack pulls back and starts overlord hunting killing one Hack floats his maka rax back to his natural and begins a CC Hack also building a 3rd CC
5:00 rare makes a couple of lings and runs across the map and trades a few against marines since Hack doesn't have a complete wall off at his natural yet
6:00 Hack taking a hidden 4th base at the top right
7:00 ling speed started for rare factory started for Hack
7:45 Hack walls off his natural ramp with 4 rax and builds a bunker behind it 3rd base from rare baneling nest and 2 evo chambers go down for rare
8:45 1-1 melee and carapace started for rare tanks and siege mode started from hack. 2 factories up now starport started for hack Lair started for rare
10:00 3rd factory started for hack Banshee production begins for Hack 2 armories for hack ebay for hack
10:30 infestation pit, burrow, and baneling speed for rare Hack moves his 3rd CC to the 3rd base location after breaking down the rocks 4th factory for Hack 4th base being taken by rare
11:15 raven on the way for Hack thor in production overseer gets in the main and scouts double armory and 3 factories roach warren immediately goes down
12:00 2-2 melee carapace for rare blue flame and +1 vehicle weapons for Hack 5th CC started 5th Fact started Spire goes down for rare
12:30 banshee kills queen at the 3rd and kills a few drones
13:00 roach speed for rare Hive on the way 6th CC started for Hack
14:00 Hack pushes out to the middle of the map with his mech army 2 more starports being dropped infestor production begins greater spire starts +2 vehicle weapons and +1 vehicle armor started +2 building armor started
15:00 Hack attacking at the 4th base rare going for a flank with infestor ling baneling roach to get reinforcements the 4th base of rare falls without much contention
16:00 viking and corruptor production begins rare catches the tanks unsieged rare kills a lot of hack's army that was out on the map but kites away with hellions killing a bunch of lings and banes Hack lands his 5th base
17:00 5 brood lords on the way 5 vikings being produced at a time seeker missile research started +3 melee weapons started for rare
17:30 hellions runby to the natural and 4th killing lings and drones almost all of the drones at the natural are killed (27) 5 CCs on the way from hack 2 ghost academies +1 air weapons and +2 vehicle weapons started for hack
19:00 the hidden base is finally scouted by rare 5th base goes up for rare cloak for ghosts, auto tracking, and raven energy started for hack Nukes on the way
On September 18 2012 18:46 ElephantBaby wrote: Those who says the series is terrible, obviously don't understand every detail and thoughts zerg players put into the game. They can only saw the obvious.
Uhh.. it was fairly bad... Ace looked his usual PvZ self and the games were very one sided.... just because one person executes a plan the way they want it does not automatically make it a good series.
Not many GSL zergs have those multi prong attack skills.
Are you truly this blind to what you want to see or do you enjoy troll baiting? Judging a match when the opponents are not closely matched is pretty silly. A masters player would look pretty darn good when crushing a plat or diamond player in 10 minutes too.
yes because its so correct to assume that it was Ace that is a TERRIBLE player (despite having ST_Life and ST_Curious to practice against.. Both of which are CRUSHING and in Code S Ro16.. oh yea, not to mention Squirtle)
It would be so ridiculous to assume that Roro just played really well.... why would we do that?
I mean.. Roro only 2-0'd Seed recently in the WCS, the last GSL CHAMPION. I mean, why would we ever assume ROro is good.
Nice try, but Ace is shit.
You can easily convince people that Roro is good, which he is, but you won't ever convince anyone by pointing at this specific series, so why even try? Everyone, as far as I can see, agrees that Roro is one of the best Kespa players, but Ace is just a really terrible player, especially in this matchup - and he looked like a headless chicken in those 2 games.
I did nothing to defend the series, I'm simply defending Roro himself, many players were hating on Roro.
What, where? I only saw people bashing Ace, myself included. :p Noone speaks badly of Roro, if anything everyone is saying he rolled Ace over.
On September 18 2012 18:46 ElephantBaby wrote: Those who says the series is terrible, obviously don't understand every detail and thoughts zerg players put into the game. They can only saw the obvious.
Uhh.. it was fairly bad... Ace looked his usual PvZ self and the games were very one sided.... just because one person executes a plan the way they want it does not automatically make it a good series.
Not many GSL zergs have those multi prong attack skills.
Are you truly this blind to what you want to see or do you enjoy troll baiting? Judging a match when the opponents are not closely matched is pretty silly. A masters player would look pretty darn good when crushing a plat or diamond player in 10 minutes too.
yes because its so correct to assume that it was Ace that is a TERRIBLE player (despite having ST_Life and ST_Curious to practice against.. Both of which are CRUSHING and in Code S Ro16.. oh yea, not to mention Squirtle)
It would be so ridiculous to assume that Roro just played really well.... why would we do that?
I mean.. Roro only 2-0'd Seed recently in the WCS, the last GSL CHAMPION. I mean, why would we ever assume ROro is good.
For a while i thought you were just trolling but it appears that you are actually seriously getting worked up about this. Ace is not known to be a great player with outstanding results in individual leagues, and roro just beat him in pretty unremarkable games in the first round of Code A. Just drop the issue already, because there is no issue. Sheesh.
its interesting how you completely ignored the fact that Roro 2-0'd Seed. if you check the previous posts, im only defending the unnecessary hate that was given to Roro, despite him playing a flawless game, albeit vs a mediocre Protoss
There was no hate against Roro, noone denies, that he has great potential. He just did´nt need to show it, because it was not needed to beat Ace.
On September 18 2012 19:06 Dosey wrote: Looks like this guy fell asleep in elephant school
he's playing quite well other than just not scouting the hidden 4th >_< that in itself is just a game ender
LOL and he finally finds it. I was always curious, is there a reason that zergs don't scout maps like this one for hidden bases more often? Or am I mistaken, and they generally do?
On September 18 2012 18:46 ElephantBaby wrote: Those who says the series is terrible, obviously don't understand every detail and thoughts zerg players put into the game. They can only saw the obvious.
Uhh.. it was fairly bad... Ace looked his usual PvZ self and the games were very one sided.... just because one person executes a plan the way they want it does not automatically make it a good series.
Not many GSL zergs have those multi prong attack skills.
Are you truly this blind to what you want to see or do you enjoy troll baiting? Judging a match when the opponents are not closely matched is pretty silly. A masters player would look pretty darn good when crushing a plat or diamond player in 10 minutes too.
yes because its so correct to assume that it was Ace that is a TERRIBLE player (despite having ST_Life and ST_Curious to practice against.. Both of which are CRUSHING and in Code S Ro16.. oh yea, not to mention Squirtle)
It would be so ridiculous to assume that Roro just played really well.... why would we do that?
I mean.. Roro only 2-0'd Seed recently in the WCS, the last GSL CHAMPION. I mean, why would we ever assume ROro is good.
For a while i thought you were just trolling but it appears that you are actually seriously getting worked up about this. Ace is not known to be a great player with outstanding results in individual leagues, and roro just beat him in pretty unremarkable games in the first round of Code A. Just drop the issue already, because there is no issue. Sheesh.
its interesting how you completely ignored the fact that Roro 2-0'd Seed. if you check the previous posts, im only defending the unnecessary hate that was given to Roro, despite him playing a flawless game, albeit vs a mediocre Protoss
There was no hate against Roro, noone denies, that he has great potential. He just did´nt need to show it, because it was not needed to beat Ace.
there was plenty of hate and his skills was evident in that game, but not his full potential
On September 18 2012 18:55 Shellshock1122 wrote: Hack vs rare Game 1 Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 Hack spawns in the top left rare spawns in the bottom right
1:45 rax first for hack scouted by a drone scout hatch first from rare Maka rax built by Hack but it is scouted by the drone the drone begins harassing the building scv but hack sends another scv out to defend it
3:00 pool after hatch from rare
4:00 hack begins sending marines and 2 scvs across the map rare pulls a bunch of drones down to his natural and starts a spine at his natural Hack pulls back and starts overlord hunting killing one Hack floats his maka rax back to his natural and begins a CC Hack also building a 3rd CC
5:00 rare makes a couple of lings and runs across the map and trades a few against marines since Hack doesn't have a complete wall off at his natural yet
6:00 Hack taking a hidden 4th base at the top right
7:00 ling speed started for rare factory started for Hack
7:45 Hack walls off his natural ramp with 4 rax and builds a bunker behind it 3rd base from rare baneling nest and 2 evo chambers go down for rare
8:45 1-1 melee and carapace started for rare tanks and siege mode started from hack. 2 factories up now starport started for hack Lair started for rare
10:00 3rd factory started for hack Banshee production begins for Hack 2 armories for hack ebay for hack
10:30 infestation pit, burrow, and baneling speed for rare Hack moves his 3rd CC to the 3rd base location after breaking down the rocks 4th factory for Hack 4th base being taken by rare
11:15 raven on the way for Hack thor in production overseer gets in the main and scouts double armory and 3 factories roach warren immediately goes down
12:00 2-2 melee carapace for rare blue flame and +1 vehicle weapons for Hack 5th CC started 5th Fact started Spire goes down for rare
12:30 banshee kills queen at the 3rd and kills a few drones
13:00 roach speed for rare Hive on the way 6th CC started for Hack
14:00 Hack pushes out to the middle of the map with his mech army 2 more starports being dropped infestor production begins greater spire starts +2 vehicle weapons and +1 vehicle armor started +2 building armor started
15:00 Hack attacking at the 4th base rare going for a flank with infestor ling baneling roach to get reinforcements the 4th base of rare falls without much contention
16:00 viking and corruptor production begins rare catches the tanks unsieged rare kills a lot of hack's army that was out on the map but kites away with hellions killing a bunch of lings and banes Hack lands his 5th base
17:00 5 brood lords on the way 5 vikings being produced at a time seeker missile research started +3 melee weapons started for rare
17:30 hellions runby to the natural and 4th killing lings and drones almost all of the drones at the natural are killed (27) 5 CCs on the way from hack 2 ghost academies +1 air weapons and +2 vehicle weapons started for hack
19:00 the hidden base is finally scouted by rare 5th base goes up for rare cloak for ghosts, auto tracking, and raven energy started for hack Nukes on the way
20:00 ghost energy being researched +1 air attack for zerg 2nd spire started 3 more CCs being built +3 vehicle weapons and +1 air armor begins +3 zerg carapace and +1 ranged attack for zerg started
21:00 Hack goes up to 6 bases burrowed infestors harass a planetary with infested terran but not much damage is done hack has 20 vikings on the field now vs 10 brood lords and 12 corruptors as well as 9 infestors
22:30 Hack using siege tanks to snipe bases and to free up supply fusion core for Hack
On September 18 2012 19:06 Dosey wrote: Looks like this guy fell asleep in elephant school
he's playing quite well other than just not scouting the hidden 4th >_< that in itself is just a game ender
LOL and he finally finds it. I was always curious, is there a reason that zergs don't scout maps like this one for hidden bases more often? Or am I mistaken, and they generally do?
Most zergs actually have a zergling or an overlord at just about every untaken expansion on the map late game. Most Code A/S level zergs, that is.
On September 18 2012 18:46 ElephantBaby wrote: Those who says the series is terrible, obviously don't understand every detail and thoughts zerg players put into the game. They can only saw the obvious.
Uhh.. it was fairly bad... Ace looked his usual PvZ self and the games were very one sided.... just because one person executes a plan the way they want it does not automatically make it a good series.
Not many GSL zergs have those multi prong attack skills.
Are you truly this blind to what you want to see or do you enjoy troll baiting? Judging a match when the opponents are not closely matched is pretty silly. A masters player would look pretty darn good when crushing a plat or diamond player in 10 minutes too.
yes because its so correct to assume that it was Ace that is a TERRIBLE player (despite having ST_Life and ST_Curious to practice against.. Both of which are CRUSHING and in Code S Ro16.. oh yea, not to mention Squirtle)
It would be so ridiculous to assume that Roro just played really well.... why would we do that?
I mean.. Roro only 2-0'd Seed recently in the WCS, the last GSL CHAMPION. I mean, why would we ever assume ROro is good.
For a while i thought you were just trolling but it appears that you are actually seriously getting worked up about this. Ace is not known to be a great player with outstanding results in individual leagues, and roro just beat him in pretty unremarkable games in the first round of Code A. Just drop the issue already, because there is no issue. Sheesh.
its interesting how you completely ignored the fact that Roro 2-0'd Seed. if you check the previous posts, im only defending the unnecessary hate that was given to Roro, despite him playing a flawless game, albeit vs a mediocre Protoss
There was no hate against Roro, noone denies, that he has great potential. He just did´nt need to show it, because it was not needed to beat Ace.
there was plenty of hate and his skills was evident in that game, but not his full potential
I didn't even know it was possible but you make less and less sense with every post you make. Seriously, just drop it.
On September 18 2012 19:06 Dosey wrote: Looks like this guy fell asleep in elephant school
he's playing quite well other than just not scouting the hidden 4th >_< that in itself is just a game ender
LOL and he finally finds it. I was always curious, is there a reason that zergs don't scout maps like this one for hidden bases more often? Or am I mistaken, and they generally do?
Just a little sloppy forgetting to send a ling around the map to check when speed is done Little mistake that hurts a ton
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