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On September 16 2012 07:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:37 StarStruck wrote:On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing. Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is  . Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing... Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired. NonY baller in beta? What the hell are you smoking? TLO showed creative plays but I don't recall him winning a whole lot either. The TL roster is just highly recognized names that these guys have known for quite a while. Zenio has always been meh. Jinro lost his passion for the game and should have retired a long time ago. Look if you paint pretty pictures about yourself and keep trying to put shit down people's throats they're going to call you out on it. EG may be able to buy players but they cannot buy championships. I could go down the list and justify and rationalize everything we see if you want but that would be well over 5000 words. Not something I'd like to do. -_- So, Liquid gets to justify its curse with logic and reason, but EG just has to suck it up? Obviously Liquid is cursed, don't you see the pattern?
The whole curse is related more than to results themselves, to the pattern EG has when choosing their players. Liquid doesn't choose champions necessarily, Liquid chooses players who fit the family. In contrast, EG chooses mostly champions, or players in their best moments, and then they seem to drop in performance.
I like this curse thing, such ridiculous things make for funny moments  , although I do believe the champions EG signs tend to stagnate and fall a bit, I have absolutely no idea why.
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If Grubby beats Nerchio and Happy beats Lowely then we'll have a perfect 2/2/2 balance in the ro6 
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On September 16 2012 07:42 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:35 Snusmumriken wrote:On September 16 2012 07:34 Benjamin99 wrote:And lol at the balance whiners 340 APM vs 100 and its still incredible close Not that APM actually mean anything just goes to show how hard Stephano worked for his wins Where did you see the players apm during game? They showed it several times in the serie
Citing APM is really quite pointless when comparing skill etc. But it is relevant when balance whiners start going on about "a move race" or "1 a zerg" etc. If that was truly the case, Stephano wouldn't hover around 300-400 APM, going higher in engagements. Unless of course he a moves and then just spams randomly, which is of course not very likely. He's way too lazy for that ;D
Seriously though, people who are convinced that Stephano just won because he's zerg, look at the games again, in detail. Look at who made more mistakes, who had better positioning, who chose their engagements better, etc. Lucifron is a highly skilled terran player who impressed me a lot today, but Stephano played slightly better in games 1 and 3.
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God I missed all the matches, does anyone knows if there's a restream or VOD's?
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On September 16 2012 07:45 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:44 Fusilero wrote:
I mean while we're at it have you heard anything from the former reign guys? Of course you haven't why? Because reign was a cursed team. Also, Reign's main sponsor was IGN. Guess what happened after they dropped Reign? Huge production failures at the IPL TAC 3 finals. Also no one remembers who won IPL4. [CURSED]
Definitive proof there's also team MVP, what happened when sC transferred to there? He fell ill repeatedly, couldn't practice and has been unable to win anything in any way shape or form, lure gets into GSL on ogs, after joining MVP he got knocked out and can't win anything. What happened when violet leaves MVP? He becomes the next zerg bonjwa. Flash will destroy killer because team MVP is cursed.
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On September 16 2012 07:44 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I always regarded MLG as the best foreign tournament/production. But Dreamhack is slowly but surely taking over. And if you say you are as good as your last event then Dreamhack is ahead now imo.
Great show so far, can't wait for the continuation tomorrow.
IMO dreamhack has always been better, it just feels better, I don't know how to describe it really.
If I had to pick a concept, I'd say DH has more "soul" to it than MLG
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Stephano will be wasted tomorrow, none will be ok after a day like this.
I like grubby, but sorry, Nerchio wins it all ~~
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On September 16 2012 07:44 Snusmumriken wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:41 mrtomjones wrote:On September 16 2012 07:36 zmansman17 wrote:On September 16 2012 07:34 Asha` wrote:
Imagine the mule whine if T won 2 games of a series after losing 100 workers in each =p Yep. And the thing is, I would like someone to collect and aggregate data on Pro games and find the % that Terran actually wins games when they lost at most 20 workers, 30 workers and so on at 10 worker increments. I bet you will see that function dip sharply after 30 because of Terran's inability to reproduce workers, while you will see the win rate remain study for Zerg players who can lose hundreds of workers (Even early on or in the mid game) and still win. What a shame. Stop whining.. man.. difference races are different. I'd like to see you look at the win rates for all three races when they have less than 15 workers for an extended period of time. Terran and their mules will be top there. what a stupid comparison. How often do you see BOTH players having less than 15 workers for an extended period of time? If both have less than 15 workers odds are the game just started, otherwise its extremely unlikely. In fact I cant recall one game ive seen all this year where this has been the case. Not calling imba, but if you got nothing thoughtful to say perhaps say nothing at all?
That's funny. I have seen plenty of games where players lose almost all their workers and continue playing. Perhaps you should watch more games 
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On September 16 2012 07:42 zmansman17 wrote:
Any Grubby lovers for tomorrow?
I Hope he wins the whole thing and then wins in China (:
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On September 16 2012 07:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:43 Fjodorov wrote:On September 16 2012 07:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:37 StarStruck wrote:On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing. Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is . Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing... Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired. NonY baller in beta? What the hell are you smoking? TLO showed creative plays but I don't recall him winning a whole lot either. The TL roster is just highly recognized names that these guys have known for quite a while. Zenio has always been meh. Jinro lost his passion for the game and should have retired a long time ago. Look if you paint pretty pictures about yourself and keep trying to put shit down people's throats they're going to call you out on it. EG may be able to buy players but they cannot buy championships. I could go down the list and justify and rationalize everything we see if you want but that would be well over 5000 words. Not something I'd like to do. -_- So, Liquid gets to justify its curse with logic and reason, but EG just has to suck it up? Obviously Liquid is cursed, don't you see the pattern? I bet Taeja and Hero feels cursed and all Taeja and Hero are clearly exceptions, just like JYP and Stephano. Aren't you listening to all the guys on TL.net? Obviously curses work like this.
HerO and Taeja were already doing well long before they even got signed by TL.
You guys have to understand that there are different types of players.
Stephano like I said is low maintenance. He figures shit out for himself.
Taeja. Low maintenance. Dude's been solid for ages.
HerO. Let's his creativity and micro do the work.
JYP is very similar to HerO and is just starting to breakout.
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So, Grubby and BabyK, I expect a P to win this thing, you guys have a challenge. Accept it!
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They showed APM spikes randomly. There was one where Lucifron was around 350 and stephano on lower 100. Doesn't mean anything because if you don't show the average.
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On September 16 2012 07:49 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:43 Fjodorov wrote:On September 16 2012 07:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:37 StarStruck wrote:On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing. Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is . Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing... Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired. NonY baller in beta? What the hell are you smoking? TLO showed creative plays but I don't recall him winning a whole lot either. The TL roster is just highly recognized names that these guys have known for quite a while. Zenio has always been meh. Jinro lost his passion for the game and should have retired a long time ago. Look if you paint pretty pictures about yourself and keep trying to put shit down people's throats they're going to call you out on it. EG may be able to buy players but they cannot buy championships. I could go down the list and justify and rationalize everything we see if you want but that would be well over 5000 words. Not something I'd like to do. -_- So, Liquid gets to justify its curse with logic and reason, but EG just has to suck it up? Obviously Liquid is cursed, don't you see the pattern? I bet Taeja and Hero feels cursed and all Taeja and Hero are clearly exceptions, just like JYP and Stephano. Aren't you listening to all the guys on TL.net? Obviously curses work like this. HerO and Taeja were already doing well long before they even got signed by TL. You guys have to understand that there are different types of players. Stephano like I said is low maintenance. He figures shit out for himself. Taeja. Low maintenance. Dude's been solid for ages. HerO. Let's his creativity and micro do the work. JYP is very similar to HerO and is just starting to breakout.
I can't believe that you're honestly taking this seriously.
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On September 16 2012 07:46 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:37 StarStruck wrote:On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing. Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is . Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing... Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired. NonY baller in beta? What the hell are you smoking? TLO showed creative plays but I don't recall him winning a whole lot either. The TL roster is just highly recognized names that these guys have known for quite a while. Zenio has always been meh. Jinro lost his passion for the game and should have retired a long time ago. Look if you paint pretty pictures about yourself and keep trying to put shit down people's throats they're going to call you out on it. EG may be able to buy players but they cannot buy championships. I could go down the list and justify and rationalize everything we see if you want but that would be well over 5000 words. Not something I'd like to do. -_- So, Liquid gets to justify its curse with logic and reason, but EG just has to suck it up? Obviously Liquid is cursed, don't you see the pattern? The whole curse is related more than to results themselves, to the pattern EG has when choosing their players. Liquid doesn't choose champions necessarily, Liquid chooses players who fit the family. In contrast, EG chooses mostly champions, or players in their best moments, and then they seem to drop in performance. I like this curse thing, such ridiculous things make for funny moments , although I do believe the champions EG signs tend to stagnate and fall a bit, I have absolutely no idea why.
There are several factors; fortunately for EG they have a golden egg in Stephano.
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On September 16 2012 07:45 Corsica wrote:
If Grubby>Nerchio, then Grubby is qualified? Same with Happy?
They are top 6 in that case, but top 7 gets qualified because Stephano is double qualified (lol) so I suppose the losers would have to face each other for that spot.
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On September 16 2012 07:49 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:44 Snusmumriken wrote:On September 16 2012 07:41 mrtomjones wrote:On September 16 2012 07:36 zmansman17 wrote:On September 16 2012 07:34 Asha` wrote:
Imagine the mule whine if T won 2 games of a series after losing 100 workers in each =p Yep. And the thing is, I would like someone to collect and aggregate data on Pro games and find the % that Terran actually wins games when they lost at most 20 workers, 30 workers and so on at 10 worker increments. I bet you will see that function dip sharply after 30 because of Terran's inability to reproduce workers, while you will see the win rate remain study for Zerg players who can lose hundreds of workers (Even early on or in the mid game) and still win. What a shame. Stop whining.. man.. difference races are different. I'd like to see you look at the win rates for all three races when they have less than 15 workers for an extended period of time. Terran and their mules will be top there. what a stupid comparison. How often do you see BOTH players having less than 15 workers for an extended period of time? If both have less than 15 workers odds are the game just started, otherwise its extremely unlikely. In fact I cant recall one game ive seen all this year where this has been the case. Not calling imba, but if you got nothing thoughtful to say perhaps say nothing at all? That's funny. I have seen plenty of games where players lose almost all their workers and continue playing. Perhaps you should watch more games
I watch too many if anything :/ However you clearly missed the part about having less than 15 workers for an extended period of time, because if you claim thats common then I call bullshit on you sir.
edit: then again youre the same person making the statement in the first place so perhaps you simply dont know what the word means. Humpty Dumpty!
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On September 16 2012 07:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:49 StarStruck wrote:On September 16 2012 07:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:43 Fjodorov wrote:On September 16 2012 07:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:37 StarStruck wrote:On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing. Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is . Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing... Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired. NonY baller in beta? What the hell are you smoking? TLO showed creative plays but I don't recall him winning a whole lot either. The TL roster is just highly recognized names that these guys have known for quite a while. Zenio has always been meh. Jinro lost his passion for the game and should have retired a long time ago. Look if you paint pretty pictures about yourself and keep trying to put shit down people's throats they're going to call you out on it. EG may be able to buy players but they cannot buy championships. I could go down the list and justify and rationalize everything we see if you want but that would be well over 5000 words. Not something I'd like to do. -_- So, Liquid gets to justify its curse with logic and reason, but EG just has to suck it up? Obviously Liquid is cursed, don't you see the pattern? I bet Taeja and Hero feels cursed and all Taeja and Hero are clearly exceptions, just like JYP and Stephano. Aren't you listening to all the guys on TL.net? Obviously curses work like this. HerO and Taeja were already doing well long before they even got signed by TL. You guys have to understand that there are different types of players. Stephano like I said is low maintenance. He figures shit out for himself. Taeja. Low maintenance. Dude's been solid for ages. HerO. Let's his creativity and micro do the work. JYP is very similar to HerO and is just starting to breakout. I can't believe that you're honestly taking this seriously.
Look at the data. -_-
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What a great day .. I felt like 2 monitors weren't enough early on, as there were great games on 3 streams or more :D
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On September 16 2012 07:48 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 07:44 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I always regarded MLG as the best foreign tournament/production. But Dreamhack is slowly but surely taking over. And if you say you are as good as your last event then Dreamhack is ahead now imo.
Great show so far, can't wait for the continuation tomorrow. IMO dreamhack has always been better, it just feels better, I don't know how to describe it really. If I had to pick a concept, I'd say DH has more "soul" to it than MLG
Did not for me. For sc2 mlg was dominating the foreign scene. Ever since the 1st 8man invitational In stockholm I think DH really picked up the pace and pushed really hard.
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