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zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
September 15 2012 22:43 GMT
#5821
On September 16 2012 07:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 07:42 zmansman17 wrote:
Any Grubby lovers for tomorrow?

Let's dance.


Absolutely.
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
September 15 2012 22:43 GMT
#5822
On September 16 2012 07:41 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 07:36 zmansman17 wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:34 Asha` wrote:
Imagine the mule whine if T won 2 games of a series after losing 100 workers in each =p


Yep.

And the thing is, I would like someone to collect and aggregate data on Pro games and find the % that Terran actually wins games when they lost at most 20 workers, 30 workers and so on at 10 worker increments.

I bet you will see that function dip sharply after 30 because of Terran's inability to reproduce workers, while you will see the win rate remain study for Zerg players who can lose hundreds of workers (Even early on or in the mid game) and still win.

What a shame.

Stop whining.. man.. difference races are different. I'd like to see you look at the win rates for all three races when they have less than 15 workers for an extended period of time. Terran and their mules will be top there.


He isn't actually whining, he is correcting a gross misrepresentation.
#1 Grubby Fan.
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
September 15 2012 22:43 GMT
#5823
On September 16 2012 07:40 Tsunami49 wrote:
I cannot believe stephano played like that after 40 hours of travel, arriving at 8am and only 2 hours of sleep in Sweden. Amazing!

A human body can do great things. But it´s impressive nonetheless.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
September 15 2012 22:43 GMT
#5824
On September 16 2012 07:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 07:37 StarStruck wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN

No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing.

Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is .

Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing...

Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired.


NonY baller in beta? What the hell are you smoking?

TLO showed creative plays but I don't recall him winning a whole lot either.

The TL roster is just highly recognized names that these guys have known for quite a while.

Zenio has always been meh.

Jinro lost his passion for the game and should have retired a long time ago.


Look if you paint pretty pictures about yourself and keep trying to put shit down people's throats they're going to call you out on it.

EG may be able to buy players but they cannot buy championships.

I could go down the list and justify and rationalize everything we see if you want but that would be well over 5000 words.

Not something I'd like to do. -_-

So, Liquid gets to justify its curse with logic and reason, but EG just has to suck it up?

Obviously Liquid is cursed, don't you see the pattern?


I bet Taeja and Hero feels cursed and all
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
September 15 2012 22:44 GMT
#5825
On September 16 2012 07:42 zmansman17 wrote:
Any Grubby lovers for tomorrow?


Why hello there.
#1 Grubby Fan.
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
September 15 2012 22:44 GMT
#5826
On September 16 2012 07:43 zmansman17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 07:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:42 zmansman17 wrote:
Any Grubby lovers for tomorrow?

Let's dance.


Absolutely.

How´s the weather?
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 15 2012 22:44 GMT
#5827
I mean while we're at it have you heard anything from the former reign guys? Of course you haven't why? Because reign was a cursed team.
Glorious SEA doto
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
September 15 2012 22:44 GMT
#5828
I always regarded MLG as the best foreign tournament/production. But Dreamhack is slowly but surely taking over. And if you say you are as good as your last event then Dreamhack is ahead now imo.

Great show so far, can't wait for the continuation tomorrow.
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
Saber_Rider
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden361 Posts
September 15 2012 22:44 GMT
#5829
On September 16 2012 07:41 zmansman17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 07:40 Saber_Rider wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:35 imJealous wrote:
"My name is Juan Moreno Durán. You killed my brother. Prepare to die."


Tonight's best comment. Period.


Let's see if this holds true tomorrow. I want to see VortiX PWN Stephano.

I for one do not want to see the Spanish Armada fall.

The Spanish armada must prevail!
FFE or die trying
WoodLeagueAllStar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States806 Posts
September 15 2012 22:44 GMT
#5830
SCII is more like Golf than Tennis. Make a mistake in Golf like Lucifron did probably = Triple Bogey out of contention
Tennis would just be a single point.

And people rarely dominate Golf. A new winner every week except when Tiger wins. Exactly like SCII and Stephano.

Just saying the expectation that some guy is going to ever rise to win most of the tournaments is just crazy.
In 1984, I was hospitalized for approaching perfection. --Random Rules
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
September 15 2012 22:44 GMT
#5831
On September 16 2012 07:41 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 07:36 zmansman17 wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:34 Asha` wrote:
Imagine the mule whine if T won 2 games of a series after losing 100 workers in each =p


Yep.

And the thing is, I would like someone to collect and aggregate data on Pro games and find the % that Terran actually wins games when they lost at most 20 workers, 30 workers and so on at 10 worker increments.

I bet you will see that function dip sharply after 30 because of Terran's inability to reproduce workers, while you will see the win rate remain study for Zerg players who can lose hundreds of workers (Even early on or in the mid game) and still win.

What a shame.

Stop whining.. man.. difference races are different. I'd like to see you look at the win rates for all three races when they have less than 15 workers for an extended period of time. Terran and their mules will be top there.


what a stupid comparison. How often do you see BOTH players having less than 15 workers for an extended period of time? If both have less than 15 workers odds are the game just started, otherwise its extremely unlikely. In fact I cant recall one game ive seen all this year where this has been the case.

Not calling imba, but if you got nothing thoughtful to say perhaps say nothing at all?
Amove for Aiur
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10165 Posts
September 15 2012 22:45 GMT
#5832
On September 16 2012 07:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 07:37 StarStruck wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN

No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing.

Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is .

Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing...

Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired.


NonY baller in beta? What the hell are you smoking?

TLO showed creative plays but I don't recall him winning a whole lot either.

The TL roster is just highly recognized names that these guys have known for quite a while.

Zenio has always been meh.

Jinro lost his passion for the game and should have retired a long time ago.


Look if you paint pretty pictures about yourself and keep trying to put shit down people's throats they're going to call you out on it.

EG may be able to buy players but they cannot buy championships.

I could go down the list and justify and rationalize everything we see if you want but that would be well over 5000 words.

Not something I'd like to do. -_-

So, Liquid gets to justify its curse with logic and reason, but EG just has to suck it up?


Exactly. Deal with it.

/egcursesunglasses.
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
September 15 2012 22:45 GMT
#5833
On September 16 2012 07:44 iSunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 07:43 zmansman17 wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:42 zmansman17 wrote:
Any Grubby lovers for tomorrow?

Let's dance.


Absolutely.

How´s the weather?


It's Always sunny in Philadelphia!
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
September 15 2012 22:45 GMT
#5834
If Grubby>Nerchio, then Grubby is qualified? Same with Happy?
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 15 2012 22:45 GMT
#5835
On September 16 2012 07:43 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 07:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:37 StarStruck wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN

No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing.

Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is .

Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing...

Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired.


NonY baller in beta? What the hell are you smoking?

TLO showed creative plays but I don't recall him winning a whole lot either.

The TL roster is just highly recognized names that these guys have known for quite a while.

Zenio has always been meh.

Jinro lost his passion for the game and should have retired a long time ago.


Look if you paint pretty pictures about yourself and keep trying to put shit down people's throats they're going to call you out on it.

EG may be able to buy players but they cannot buy championships.

I could go down the list and justify and rationalize everything we see if you want but that would be well over 5000 words.

Not something I'd like to do. -_-

So, Liquid gets to justify its curse with logic and reason, but EG just has to suck it up?

Obviously Liquid is cursed, don't you see the pattern?


I bet Taeja and Hero feels cursed and all

Taeja and Hero are clearly exceptions, just like JYP and Stephano.

Aren't you listening to all the guys on TL.net? Obviously curses work like this.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 15 2012 22:45 GMT
#5836
On September 16 2012 07:44 Fusilero wrote:
I mean while we're at it have you heard anything from the former reign guys? Of course you haven't why? Because reign was a cursed team.


Also, Reign's main sponsor was IGN. Guess what happened after they dropped Reign? Huge production failures at the IPL TAC 3 finals.

Also no one remembers who won IPL4.

[CURSED]
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 15 2012 22:46 GMT
#5837
On September 16 2012 07:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 07:37 StarStruck wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:31 ZAiNs wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:30 kruxey wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:27 Nordmo wrote:
THE CURSE IS BROKEN

No they allways win their 1st tourny after they join (Huk MLG,Puma NASL,Thorzain wcs sweeden) and then they start only loosing.

Yep, even Idra was doing really well for a while after joining EG, but now look where he is .

Lol, people still talking about the curse like it's actually a thing...

Hey, how about that Liquid Curse? NonY and TLO used to be so baller back in Beta, guess Liquid Curse made them bad. Zenio? Code S Korean before he got picked up, Liquid curse kicked him out. Jinro? Ro4 Code S, Liquid Curse took its toll, now he's retired.


NonY baller in beta? What the hell are you smoking?

TLO showed creative plays but I don't recall him winning a whole lot either.

The TL roster is just highly recognized names that these guys have known for quite a while.

Zenio has always been meh.

Jinro lost his passion for the game and should have retired a long time ago.


Look if you paint pretty pictures about yourself and keep trying to put shit down people's throats they're going to call you out on it.

EG may be able to buy players but they cannot buy championships.

I could go down the list and justify and rationalize everything we see if you want but that would be well over 5000 words.

Not something I'd like to do. -_-

So, Liquid gets to justify its curse with logic and reason, but EG just has to suck it up?

Obviously Liquid is cursed, don't you see the pattern?



If you read what I've said there is no justification or excuses for any shit.

The boys of team liquid were picked up because they knew the staff/in some cases were on staff and they're veterans of RTS.

TLO was the only real new body that they brought in at the start up.

Liquid has always been just that. Liquid.

There's a different criteria in the selection process and both teams aren't ran the same man. Different philosophies and honestly there shouldn't be anything to boast about period.

So I say can it.
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
September 15 2012 22:46 GMT
#5838
On September 16 2012 07:44 Saber_Rider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 07:41 zmansman17 wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:40 Saber_Rider wrote:
On September 16 2012 07:35 imJealous wrote:
"My name is Juan Moreno Durán. You killed my brother. Prepare to die."


Tonight's best comment. Period.


Let's see if this holds true tomorrow. I want to see VortiX PWN Stephano.

I for one do not want to see the Spanish Armada fall.

The Spanish armada must prevail!


I do hope so.
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1451 Posts
September 15 2012 22:46 GMT
#5839
omg why is this postponed ffs...50 matches today and 3 tmrw
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
September 15 2012 22:46 GMT
#5840
On September 16 2012 07:44 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I always regarded MLG as the best foreign tournament/production. But Dreamhack is slowly but surely taking over. And if you say you are as good as your last event then Dreamhack is ahead now imo.

Great show so far, can't wait for the continuation tomorrow.


I don't know which parallel universe you are living in if you think "Dreamhack is slowly but surely taking over." From my point of view, Dreamhack was miles in front, but MLG has came a long way in the past year (cats and eagles in the LR, anyone?).
#1 Grubby Fan.
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