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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 15 2012 19:32 GMT
#3781
On September 16 2012 04:32 shepherdxoxo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:28 Lazzi wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:27 shepherdxoxo wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:25 simmeh wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:24 lannisport wrote:
I want Grubby to win so bad (700k twitter followers in China, WC3 history), but I also want Nerchio to win..... I'm so conflicted. At least if Grubby wins Stephy still makes it.


grubby in wcs world finals china would actually make the event that much more hype. guy is a god over there o_o

I still remember the video where he had to climb out of a window to escape a throng of Chinese people only to be met on the outside by another legion. Awesome stuff. :D

Not to mention the police escorts he gets! :D

You mean this one?

Okay, I overexaggerated a bit. Haha. Guess my imagination wanted a throng or legion to be there. :D

But yeah, that was so awesome!

Screw it having someone chase you down the streets is a massive victory lol.
Glorious SEA doto
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
September 15 2012 19:32 GMT
#3782
On September 16 2012 04:31 simmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:27 Ph4ZeD wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:25 Aando wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:23 Asymmetric wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 zev318 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 spudde123 wrote:
I don't understand why that is seen as such a bad blunder by Ret. Grubby had the entire map, and he cleared all the corners of the map pretty much so there was no way Ret had any drones there. The only drones Ret had were with his army and he had no creep at all to build any other buildings than try to build a hatch to the closest place where there is room for the hatch which was at the 3rd of Grubby at that moment of time. Maybe you could argue that he should have put down a hatch in Grubby's main below his army when he destroyed Grubby's buildings there to make space, but he had nowhere else to put them really.


maybe build like 8 hatcheries imo, he couldnt use those drone for anything else useful


Your meant to march spore crawlers with your broodlord army in those situations. They don't lose health off creep and are scoring.

See Curious vs MC GSL this season.

They dont? I've always assumed that Z just spew creep under the army to prevent them from loosing health?


Ret couldn't spew creep - you only do that when you have a Lair and he had no Lair


do you know if lets say an overlord is pooping creep. but then lair/hive get killed.
does the overlord continue pooping creep or does it just stop?


Carries on pooping as far as i know.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
September 15 2012 19:32 GMT
#3783
On September 16 2012 04:30 spudde123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:29 S_SienZ wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:28 spudde123 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:23 Corrupted wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 spudde123 wrote:
I don't understand why that is seen as such a bad blunder by Ret. Grubby had the entire map, and he cleared all the corners of the map pretty much so there was no way Ret had any drones there. The only drones Ret had were with his army and he had no creep at all to build any other buildings than try to build a hatch to the closest place where there is room for the hatch which was at the 3rd of Grubby at that moment of time. Maybe you could argue that he should have put down a hatch in Grubby's main below his army when he destroyed Grubby's buildings there to make space, but he had nowhere else to put them really.


It would have been incredibly simple for him to have had a few spores mixed into his army...was an ENORMOUS blunder by Ret.


Well sure that would be the best solution, but as people pointed out, he had no evo chambers left for a while. Thinking 100% crystal clear isn't really easy in that situation either. Don't spores lose health offcreep anyway, which again brings the problem of Ret having to hunt down Grubby's bases with his army?

They have regen when unrooted which counteracts the health loss. You can have them live indefinitely unrooted even without creep.


Well that is interesting, I didn't even know that. I suppose in that case having multiple spores hiding under there would have forced Grubby to engage the army, or at least try some sort of suicide strike to snipe the spores.

Someone should test this, but I wonder what would happen if this was the case and Protoss vortexed all the spores... Would they be considered to be removed from the game during the duration of the vortex?
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
September 15 2012 19:32 GMT
#3784
On September 16 2012 04:31 ELA wrote:
Sad that Ret went out the way he did, but I didn't even think of the implications of having Grubby at WCS China... Blizzard will have to upgrade their venue by a few factors if he makes it in, I think

- And of course, guards armed with shovels, to clear paths for Grubby through all the chinese panties that is going to be thrown


The mental image of guards being ready with shovels is a quite amusing one.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 15 2012 19:32 GMT
#3785
Man they are really not saving much of the tournament for tomorrow huh.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
September 15 2012 19:32 GMT
#3786
On September 16 2012 04:30 SinCitta wrote:
[image loading]

Grubby

No pillage ability for Grubby, not this time
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
wildstyle1337
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland514 Posts
September 15 2012 19:32 GMT
#3787
On September 16 2012 04:31 maze. wrote:
Grubby is already qualified for the world finals, because Stephano is in the top 8 and 8th place becomes enough to qualify. Just look at the NA finals, where Scarlett and Vibe where in the top 7 and Huk qualified with a 9th place finish.


No 8th is not enough, 7 is enough
Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
September 15 2012 19:33 GMT
#3788
Vortix wins. No doubt in my mind what so ever.
Fnatic - TSM - EG
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
September 15 2012 19:33 GMT
#3789
On September 16 2012 04:31 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:30 wildstyle1337 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:28 -_- wrote:
Is Nerchio v Grubby played today???


Today matches left:
Sortof vs Lowely
vortix vs babyknight
Stephano vs Lucifron


Thank you wildstyleleet. Sick day of games today. One of my favorite of 2012.


the production value today is unsurpassed
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 15 2012 19:33 GMT
#3790
On September 16 2012 04:32 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:30 SinCitta wrote:
[image loading]

Grubby

No pillage ability for Grubby, not this time

Imagine pillage on zealots man that's be scary.
Glorious SEA doto
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
September 15 2012 19:33 GMT
#3791
On September 16 2012 04:25 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:23 Asymmetric wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 zev318 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 spudde123 wrote:
I don't understand why that is seen as such a bad blunder by Ret. Grubby had the entire map, and he cleared all the corners of the map pretty much so there was no way Ret had any drones there. The only drones Ret had were with his army and he had no creep at all to build any other buildings than try to build a hatch to the closest place where there is room for the hatch which was at the 3rd of Grubby at that moment of time. Maybe you could argue that he should have put down a hatch in Grubby's main below his army when he destroyed Grubby's buildings there to make space, but he had nowhere else to put them really.


maybe build like 8 hatcheries imo, he couldnt use those drone for anything else useful


Your meant to march spore crawlers with your broodlord army in those situations. They don't lose health off creep and are scoring.

See Curious vs MC GSL this season.


can u still build them with no evo chambers? they were all killed i believe


Your correct.

But it's something that you need to thinking about in advance when your using a highly immobile composition like broordlords and start to get pulled out of position.
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
September 15 2012 19:34 GMT
#3792
On September 16 2012 04:32 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:30 spudde123 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:29 S_SienZ wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:28 spudde123 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:23 Corrupted wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 spudde123 wrote:
I don't understand why that is seen as such a bad blunder by Ret. Grubby had the entire map, and he cleared all the corners of the map pretty much so there was no way Ret had any drones there. The only drones Ret had were with his army and he had no creep at all to build any other buildings than try to build a hatch to the closest place where there is room for the hatch which was at the 3rd of Grubby at that moment of time. Maybe you could argue that he should have put down a hatch in Grubby's main below his army when he destroyed Grubby's buildings there to make space, but he had nowhere else to put them really.


It would have been incredibly simple for him to have had a few spores mixed into his army...was an ENORMOUS blunder by Ret.


Well sure that would be the best solution, but as people pointed out, he had no evo chambers left for a while. Thinking 100% crystal clear isn't really easy in that situation either. Don't spores lose health offcreep anyway, which again brings the problem of Ret having to hunt down Grubby's bases with his army?

They have regen when unrooted which counteracts the health loss. You can have them live indefinitely unrooted even without creep.


Well that is interesting, I didn't even know that. I suppose in that case having multiple spores hiding under there would have forced Grubby to engage the army, or at least try some sort of suicide strike to snipe the spores.

Someone should test this, but I wonder what would happen if this was the case and Protoss vortexed all the spores... Would they be considered to be removed from the game during the duration of the vortex?


I don't think spores get vortexed
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
September 15 2012 19:34 GMT
#3793
On September 16 2012 04:33 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:32 Integra wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:30 SinCitta wrote:
[image loading]

Grubby

No pillage ability for Grubby, not this time

Imagine pillage on zealots man that's be scary.


dont scare me like that.
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
September 15 2012 19:34 GMT
#3794
Love the update about why the game hasn't started yet.

Fuck you, Hellspawn!
I am not young enough to know everything.
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
September 15 2012 19:34 GMT
#3795
On September 16 2012 04:33 Slangen wrote:
Vortix wins. No doubt in my mind what so ever.


The Spanish Armada is coming and there's NOTHING anyone can do.
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 15 2012 19:34 GMT
#3796
On September 16 2012 04:34 zmansman17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:32 S_SienZ wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:30 spudde123 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:29 S_SienZ wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:28 spudde123 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:23 Corrupted wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 spudde123 wrote:
I don't understand why that is seen as such a bad blunder by Ret. Grubby had the entire map, and he cleared all the corners of the map pretty much so there was no way Ret had any drones there. The only drones Ret had were with his army and he had no creep at all to build any other buildings than try to build a hatch to the closest place where there is room for the hatch which was at the 3rd of Grubby at that moment of time. Maybe you could argue that he should have put down a hatch in Grubby's main below his army when he destroyed Grubby's buildings there to make space, but he had nowhere else to put them really.


It would have been incredibly simple for him to have had a few spores mixed into his army...was an ENORMOUS blunder by Ret.


Well sure that would be the best solution, but as people pointed out, he had no evo chambers left for a while. Thinking 100% crystal clear isn't really easy in that situation either. Don't spores lose health offcreep anyway, which again brings the problem of Ret having to hunt down Grubby's bases with his army?

They have regen when unrooted which counteracts the health loss. You can have them live indefinitely unrooted even without creep.


Well that is interesting, I didn't even know that. I suppose in that case having multiple spores hiding under there would have forced Grubby to engage the army, or at least try some sort of suicide strike to snipe the spores.

Someone should test this, but I wonder what would happen if this was the case and Protoss vortexed all the spores... Would they be considered to be removed from the game during the duration of the vortex?


I don't think spores get vortexed


correct they are considered buildings so they don't get trapped by vortex.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
September 15 2012 19:34 GMT
#3797
On September 16 2012 04:34 zmansman17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:32 S_SienZ wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:30 spudde123 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:29 S_SienZ wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:28 spudde123 wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:23 Corrupted wrote:
On September 16 2012 04:21 spudde123 wrote:
I don't understand why that is seen as such a bad blunder by Ret. Grubby had the entire map, and he cleared all the corners of the map pretty much so there was no way Ret had any drones there. The only drones Ret had were with his army and he had no creep at all to build any other buildings than try to build a hatch to the closest place where there is room for the hatch which was at the 3rd of Grubby at that moment of time. Maybe you could argue that he should have put down a hatch in Grubby's main below his army when he destroyed Grubby's buildings there to make space, but he had nowhere else to put them really.


It would have been incredibly simple for him to have had a few spores mixed into his army...was an ENORMOUS blunder by Ret.


Well sure that would be the best solution, but as people pointed out, he had no evo chambers left for a while. Thinking 100% crystal clear isn't really easy in that situation either. Don't spores lose health offcreep anyway, which again brings the problem of Ret having to hunt down Grubby's bases with his army?

They have regen when unrooted which counteracts the health loss. You can have them live indefinitely unrooted even without creep.


Well that is interesting, I didn't even know that. I suppose in that case having multiple spores hiding under there would have forced Grubby to engage the army, or at least try some sort of suicide strike to snipe the spores.

Someone should test this, but I wonder what would happen if this was the case and Protoss vortexed all the spores... Would they be considered to be removed from the game during the duration of the vortex?


I don't think spores get vortexed

Well if that's the case vortex everything else + blink in to kill the spores = GG i guess.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
September 15 2012 19:35 GMT
#3798
On September 16 2012 04:32 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:30 SinCitta wrote:
[image loading]

Grubby

No pillage ability for Grubby, not this time


Should have played Terran for sick base races with bunkers :D.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 15 2012 19:35 GMT
#3799
On September 16 2012 04:34 Jiddra wrote:
Love the update about why the game hasn't started yet.

Fuck you, Hellspawn!


What did he write?^^
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Leru
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Romania257 Posts
September 15 2012 19:35 GMT
#3800
On September 16 2012 04:32 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 04:30 SinCitta wrote:
[image loading]

Grubby

No pillage ability for Grubby, not this time


[image loading]
Use the devour Nerchio ability.
Less e$ports, more fun
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