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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:21 ohmkerg wrote: I think the point should be made that the kespa players aren't necessarily better, but that P is OP So, no credit to RoRo beating Seed 2-0 in his best mu? | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:40 p14c wrote: So far Kespa 4 - GSL 3. Deal with it! Micro and macro from BW translate easily to SC2. They just need good build orders and to get acquainted with the new units. Why does anyone need to post retarded as shit stuff like this? DEAL WITH IT. This is what I'd expect from a 13 year old kid who likes yelling at people and showing their superiority. Does no one realize that it is possible to cheer for your own players without antagonizing people that cheer for someone else? | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:27 BlazeFury01 wrote: So, no credit to RoRo beating Seed 2-0 in his best mu? Or flash and his monster build? | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:36 mrtomjones wrote: Why does anyone need to post retarded as shit stuff like this? DEAL WITH IT. This is what I'd expect from a 13 year old kid who likes yelling at people and showing their superiority. Does no one realize that it is possible to cheer for your own players without antagonizing people that cheer for someone else? Only if the antagonizing side don't spark the fire in the first place. So far, that's the sole reason why BW knowledgeable fanbase are doing, they are defending against the ongoing onslaught of the uninformed. People who don't take their time and effort to learn about the StarCraf's gaming competition is really committing a sin here. Some might even call that 'hurting e-sport'. | ||
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czylu
477 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Plus, I would also like to say how this format of round-robin, only one game per night, really benefits the Kespa players and how they are able to focus on their practice time. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:01 Xiphos wrote: Only if the antagonizing side don't spark the fire in the first place. So far, that's the sole reason why BW knowledgeable fanbase are doing, they are defending against the ongoing onslaught of the uninformed. People who don't take their time and effort to learn about the StarCraf's gaming competition is really committing a sin here. Some might even call that 'hurting e-sport'. Ummm what? 75% of the crap spewed comes from BW elitist fans. The elephant article was written by a BW elitist fanboy and was the first time I saw any conflict between the fan groups specifically pertaining to SC2. The only arguments from before that were the BW fans saying how much better their game is and how they don't enjoy watching SC2. Perhaps BW fans should simply accept that not every SC2 fan will know a ton about BW and that it is not an insult if they don't have time to learn about it. Many Sc2 fans expressed excitement about the BW players joining them and an expansion to their community. I very much doubt this is the way they expected it to go down. Stop acting so god damned elitist and like you shit Lannister gold and perhaps you would see less crap spewed. From what I can tell the huge majority of SC2 fans simply want both sides to perform well and for the people that they have cheered for two years to have continued success. I hope that Kespa players do well and I hope that the top ESF players continue doing well too. | ||
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7862 Posts
Why everyone needs to bash on Kespa players or ESF players is beyond me. I think at least for the rest of WOL there will be a healthy rivalry. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:34 mrtomjones wrote: Ummm what? 75% of the crap spewed comes from BW elitist fans. The elephant article was written by a BW elitist fanboy and was the first time I saw any conflict between the fan groups specifically pertaining to SC2. The only arguments from before that were the BW fans saying how much better their game is and how they don't enjoy watching SC2. Perhaps BW fans should simply accept that not every SC2 fan will know a ton about BW and that it is not an insult if they don't have time to learn about it. Many Sc2 fans expressed excitement about the BW players joining them and an expansion to their community. I very much doubt this is the way they expected it to go down. Stop acting so god damned elitist and like you shit Lannister gold and perhaps you would see less crap spewed. From what I can tell the huge majority of SC2 fans simply want both sides to perform well and for the people that they have cheered for two years to have continued success. I hope that Kespa players do well and I hope that the top ESF players continue doing well too. That article is suppose to be taken as an education piece of work. A work that could very well reflect on the future of the StarCraft 2 scene. The author's intend was to teach TeamLiquid's newly acquired StarCraft 2 fans about the 'other side of the gate'. Yes it might hit a touchy string in the heart of many people as they have became quite fond of some of their players. That's comprehensible on my part. But however, it does echoes sounds of truth and was very prescient on the following sequence of things. At heart, it suppose to give hope to the fans about the upcoming events that could potentially change their whole point of views on professional StarCraft gaming. But then it met with multiple of relentless attack reigned from the new fans. But these attacks are not based on logical reason or by looking at what the facts present themselves in front of their eyes. No these strikes came from their emotional egomaniac of new-kid-on-the-block-attitude. Instead of acknowledging it with humble humility, they put up their pitchforks and waged war upon the site's veterans. That's not the worst part yet, they have also developed an irrational abhorrence toward the grandfather of culturing altering's perspective on professional gaming, the predessor itself Brood War. And thus came the posts about "BW is a dead game", "Stop trying to change 'our' game for the better, if you want to obtain things that make BW great, you can just go back playing that game." And that's the exact attitude that the Brood War originated fans detest with the greatest passion possible. And it is up to 'us' to individually educate the uninformed about the entire Korean's professional gaming scene, their structure of the system, and its historical aspect. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:46 Vasoline73 wrote: I honestly believe the best ESF players will continue to be near the top for awhile. Kespa players will improve as well and the SC2 scene will benefit greatly from increased competition and interest. Why everyone needs to bash on Kespa players or ESF players is beyond me. I think at least for the rest of WOL there will be a healthy rivalry. Second this, it is not possible for one side to dominate the other side on top level completely. But for mid level, code B, code A level, it is possible that KeSPA players can dominate. Just because they are treated better in their teams, their owners usually have more money. They train harder, and there are a lot of them. Lots of GSL players are actually like semi pros, even some top players. | ||
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Warlock40
601 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:01 Xiphos wrote: Only if the antagonizing side don't spark the fire in the first place. So far, that's the sole reason why BW knowledgeable fanbase are doing, they are defending against the ongoing onslaught of the uninformed. People who don't take their time and effort to learn about the StarCraf's gaming competition is really committing a sin here. Some might even call that 'hurting e-sport'. Funny, all I remember is SC2 fans saying things like "Man I can't wait to see Flash switch to SC2!", and for that earning the undying hatred of certain BW fans. Nobody went around saying that BW players would not excel in SC2; any sentiments in that direction were just a response to the elephant article, which started it all. | ||
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:01 Xiphos wrote: Only if the antagonizing side don't spark the fire in the first place. So far, that's the sole reason why BW knowledgeable fanbase are doing, they are defending against the ongoing onslaught of the uninformed. People who don't take their time and effort to learn about the StarCraf's gaming competition is really committing a sin here. Some might even call that 'hurting e-sport'. No, not really. I feel like BW guys fall back on this but really you're not better than the people you criticize. | ||
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
it not what MC said AT ALL. its becuase Best's UNCLE passed away =_____= I see why you sc2 fan boys hate moletrap... | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
it was 200 supply for him versus 130 supply... he should have won | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:54 Megabuster123 wrote: No, not really. I feel like BW guys fall back on this but really you're not better than the people you criticize. We are do feel something special about ourselves don't we. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On August 30 2012 03:28 1handsomE wrote: Ah you misunderstand. I am only saying that the poster is incorrect in talking about control. I am not in anyway saying that KeSPA players have worse control. In fact, I would EXPECT them to have better control. But if you want to say that his problem was he didn't move his immortals, you are also at the same time saying MC has better control. Maybe it is true, maybe it is not, but I am not arguing that AT ALL. But since that is not ALL You were saying allow me to help you understand why what you are saying is actually not correct . If BW mechanical skills do not directly transfer, then there is no KeSPA advantage. So you must not be saying that. Instead, you are saying that somehow clicking an immortal and right clicking somewhere else (or even pressing a hotkey and right clicking somewhere else) is EXCLUSIVE to sc2. I don't think I need to say anything further there. hey I can play the excuse card too now, given that ppl play it almost every single time an eSF player loses *Ahem* Best's uncle died very recently, and he even broke down crying after a Proleague game. Obviously, this is affecting him very badly and you can't judge his performance accurately because of the recent tragedy. If Best's uncle didn't die, he would've done much better! My condolences to Best and may his uncle rest in peace  but yea, I wouldn't really try to downplay MC's win by pulling that shit, and I would appreciate it if eSF players would do the same. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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