[Day 1] MLG Summer Championship - Page 3
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
gogo Taeja, MKP, Grubby!! | ||
Benjamin99
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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m0ck
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On August 23 2012 17:13 Hall0wed wrote: I don't know how to fix it but it seems weird that the 2 highest seeds in each bracket get open bracket players. Sure it makes sense but when you think about it the open bracket players will likely be stronger than a good portion of players already seeded. Imagine the lucky player seeded #1 or #2 that ends up playing MKP right off the bat, win or lose you would still expect a weaker opponent right off the bat. I can only imagine it is fixed already. You can't have players playing for seeding in a tournament and then have them meet MKP instead of Binski because they did well. It would completely screw over the people who made the effort to come to the qualifying event.. | ||
HolydaKing
21253 Posts
Sadly, damn it. Savor @ sc2, i would love it. :D Not gonna happen, though, especially not at MLG which is befriended by Kespa. | ||
NateTron
United States31 Posts
Also, is this standard MLG everything Bo3? Thanks | ||
mccarthyaw
50 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:04 NateTron wrote: Anyone else think it's dumb that 1 and 2 seeds have to play the Open Bracket Winners? It's the way tournaments are usually run, sure (NCAA #1 seed plays vs play-in-game winner) but here the players that come out of the open bracket are going to be way, way stronger than players like QXC, Sasquatch, etc. Also, is this standard MLG everything Bo3? Thanks Yeah, it is dumb. Your reward for qualifying with a high seed is most likely to play a very strong player. | ||
Corrupted
United States1255 Posts
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:04 NateTron wrote: Anyone else think it's dumb that 1 and 2 seeds have to play the Open Bracket Winners? It's the way tournaments are usually run, sure (NCAA #1 seed plays vs play-in-game winner) but here the players that come out of the open bracket are going to be way, way stronger than players like QXC, Sasquatch, etc. Also, is this standard MLG everything Bo3? Thanks Yeah, the seeding falls flat because 17-24 were supposed to be KeSPA, and after that fell through, due to time tand travel constraints, they still couldn't get the real 17-24 from Arena. Also, the system runs into problems because it's based on Summer season performance, but some of the strongest players will only show up for the Championship (additionally, MLG treats qualifier results equally for seeding, but the #12 KR Invite Qualifier finisher (for example) is likely to be stronger than the #12 from the other regions). However, the only effective "fix" I can see for all that is having some subjective component to the seeding (like NCAA basketball/baseball/football tournaments), and that opens up another set of issues. For what it's worth, at least the #1 and #2 seeds get Friday off for extra rest/acclimation or scouting the competition or whatever. It's Bo3 for most matches. Bo7 extended series will occur if it's a rematch in the same phase of the tournament (Groups or Championship), or if a Group Final or Semifinal Match is a non-rematch and the Losers Bracket Player wins the initial Bo3. The Championship Bracket Final will be a single Bo7 (split bracket similar to Summer Arena ensures no funky rematch or WB/LB scenarios). | ||
Lazzi
Switzerland1923 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:32 Lazzi wrote: I have to say that I disagree with the bo7 final . why wouldn't the player from the winner bracket have an advantage? The Championship Bracket is essentially two separate 20-player "double elimination" tournaments feeding into a single Final series. Winners/Losers Brackets don't have any meaning at the end; the survivors could both be undefeated, or they could both have a series loss (or started in the Losers Bracket from Group performance). MLG used a split double-elimination bracket in the Summer Arena, and the reaction from the community was generally positive. The partitioning of the bracket is their answer to the issue of anticlimatic or unbalanced Finals of double elimination tournaments. AFAIK, the most notable use of such a format (in the US at least) is in collegiate baseball -- the NCAA College World Series has used a split double-elimination format since 1988. | ||
NateTron
United States31 Posts
Only other solution I would have at this point would be to let the players reseed themselves, with first seed having first pick, second seed having second pick, as MLG did at their Summer Arena. But, that's probably not going to happen. Oh well, I guess if you want to win the tourney you have to beat everyone before its all said and done anyways. I just hope Hero vs. MKP doesn't happen first round. On August 23 2012 23:30 jobber123rd wrote: Yeah, the seeding falls flat because 17-24 were supposed to be KeSPA, and after that fell through, due to time tand travel constraints, they still couldn't get the real 17-24 from Arena. Also, the system runs into problems because it's based on Summer season performance, but some of the strongest players will only show up for the Championship (additionally, MLG treats qualifier results equally for seeding, but the #12 KR Invite Qualifier finisher (for example) is likely to be stronger than the #12 from the other regions). However, the only effective "fix" I can see for all that is having some subjective component to the seeding (like NCAA basketball/baseball/football tournaments), and that opens up another set of issues. For what it's worth, at least the #1 and #2 seeds get Friday off for extra rest/acclimation or scouting the competition or whatever. It's Bo3 for most matches. Bo7 extended series will occur if it's a rematch in the same phase of the tournament (Groups or Championship), or if a Group Final or Semifinal Match is a non-rematch and the Losers Bracket Player wins the initial Bo3. The Championship Bracket Final will be a single Bo7 (split bracket similar to Summer Arena ensures no funky rematch or WB/LB scenarios). | ||
A.Delicious.Yoghurt
127 Posts
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Poilon
France139 Posts
Anyway a pretty good line up with MKP Taeja Stephano HerO First Grubby Xenocider Good games incoming, and the Stephano vs Taeja Final will be just crazy :D | ||
jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On August 23 2012 23:53 NateTron wrote: I agree with everything you said pretty much and obviously they won't change it this late in the game, but as soon as they looked at the list of players they're now seeding into the groups after KESPA dropped out, it should have been obvious that the system was flawed. If i could have any seed at all, it'd be third seed, no question. I think everyone in their right minds would determine that in about 30 seconds--- I get to play Binski, qxc, caliber, or Gix. No offense intended to those players at all, it's just that they're nowhere near the CALIBER (pun) of players that are in the open bracket...players MLG assumedly knew long before we did. Only other solution I would have at this point would be to let the players reseed themselves, with first seed having first pick, second seed having second pick, as MLG did at their Summer Arena. But, that's probably not going to happen. Oh well, I guess if you want to win the tourney you have to beat everyone before its all said and done anyways. I just hope Hero vs. MKP doesn't happen first round. That would be a nice solution -- with the current 3/6 & 4/5 matches scheduled for Friday, the top seeds could have a choice of having a known (and likely weaker) opponent in Round 1 or waiting until Saturday afternoon to play. It's likely that they'd all pick the #6 or #5 seeds, and we'd get to watch the top Group players on Friday (which is about the best we can get at this point). Too bad you're not in charge. ![]() | ||
wajd
240 Posts
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NateTron
United States31 Posts
On August 24 2012 00:22 jobber123rd wrote: That would be a nice solution -- with the current 3/6 & 4/5 matches scheduled for Friday, the top seeds could have a choice of having a known (and likely weaker) opponent in Round 1 or waiting until Saturday afternoon to play. It's likely that they'd all pick the #6 or #5 seeds, and we'd get to watch the top Group players on Friday (which is about the best we can get at this point). Too bad you're not in charge. ![]() Amen to that ![]() | ||
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