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PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
August 23 2012 07:19 GMT
#41
oh wow. Grubby vs Stephano again >.>
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 23 2012 08:03 GMT
#42
gonna miss all of this except maybe the last few hours of Sunday. tbh i'm not all that heartbroken looking at the players and the weird new format. plus MLG is always in the middle of the night for europe anyways.

gogo Taeja, MKP, Grubby!!
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
August 23 2012 08:12 GMT
#43
I'm calling it now Goody is going to beat Losira.
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
August 23 2012 08:13 GMT
#44
I don't know how to fix it but it seems weird that the 2 highest seeds in each bracket get open bracket players. Sure it makes sense but when you think about it the open bracket players will likely be stronger than a good portion of players already seeded. Imagine the lucky player seeded #1 or #2 that ends up playing MKP right off the bat, win or lose you would still expect a weaker opponent right off the bat.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 08:21:00
August 23 2012 08:19 GMT
#45
On August 23 2012 17:13 Hall0wed wrote:
I don't know how to fix it but it seems weird that the 2 highest seeds in each bracket get open bracket players. Sure it makes sense but when you think about it the open bracket players will likely be stronger than a good portion of players already seeded. Imagine the lucky player seeded #1 or #2 that ends up playing MKP right off the bat, win or lose you would still expect a weaker opponent right off the bat.

I can only imagine it is fixed already. You can't have players playing for seeding in a tournament and then have them meet MKP instead of Binski because they did well. It would completely screw over the people who made the effort to come to the qualifying event..
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
August 23 2012 08:23 GMT
#46
On August 23 2012 09:00 jobber123rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 08:56 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Who is saviorSC2?

(Wiki)Xenocider

Sadly, damn it. Savor @ sc2, i would love it. :D Not gonna happen, though, especially not at MLG which is befriended by Kespa.
NateTron
Profile Joined November 2011
United States31 Posts
August 23 2012 14:04 GMT
#47
Anyone else think it's dumb that 1 and 2 seeds have to play the Open Bracket Winners? It's the way tournaments are usually run, sure (NCAA #1 seed plays vs play-in-game winner) but here the players that come out of the open bracket are going to be way, way stronger than players like QXC, Sasquatch, etc.

Also, is this standard MLG everything Bo3?

Thanks
mccarthyaw
Profile Joined April 2012
50 Posts
August 23 2012 14:13 GMT
#48
On August 23 2012 23:04 NateTron wrote:
Anyone else think it's dumb that 1 and 2 seeds have to play the Open Bracket Winners? It's the way tournaments are usually run, sure (NCAA #1 seed plays vs play-in-game winner) but here the players that come out of the open bracket are going to be way, way stronger than players like QXC, Sasquatch, etc.

Also, is this standard MLG everything Bo3?

Thanks


Yeah, it is dumb.

Your reward for qualifying with a high seed is most likely to play a very strong player.
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
August 23 2012 14:16 GMT
#49
Grubby is taking this one...I'm calling it
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
August 23 2012 14:23 GMT
#50
I think Taeja, Stephano, Alicia, First, will advance. I think Idra can win the WCS thingy (if this is the only thing he is playing in so he has no excuses)
jobber123rd
Profile Joined December 2011
United States501 Posts
August 23 2012 14:30 GMT
#51
On August 23 2012 23:04 NateTron wrote:
Anyone else think it's dumb that 1 and 2 seeds have to play the Open Bracket Winners? It's the way tournaments are usually run, sure (NCAA #1 seed plays vs play-in-game winner) but here the players that come out of the open bracket are going to be way, way stronger than players like QXC, Sasquatch, etc.

Also, is this standard MLG everything Bo3?

Thanks


Yeah, the seeding falls flat because 17-24 were supposed to be KeSPA, and after that fell through, due to time tand travel constraints, they still couldn't get the real 17-24 from Arena. Also, the system runs into problems because it's based on Summer season performance, but some of the strongest players will only show up for the Championship (additionally, MLG treats qualifier results equally for seeding, but the #12 KR Invite Qualifier finisher (for example) is likely to be stronger than the #12 from the other regions).

However, the only effective "fix" I can see for all that is having some subjective component to the seeding (like NCAA basketball/baseball/football tournaments), and that opens up another set of issues.

For what it's worth, at least the #1 and #2 seeds get Friday off for extra rest/acclimation or scouting the competition or whatever.

It's Bo3 for most matches. Bo7 extended series will occur if it's a rematch in the same phase of the tournament (Groups or Championship), or if a Group Final or Semifinal Match is a non-rematch and the Losers Bracket Player wins the initial Bo3.

The Championship Bracket Final will be a single Bo7 (split bracket similar to Summer Arena ensures no funky rematch or WB/LB scenarios).
"I'm always going to survive. Only reason I can't survive is if I'm dead or something." --Mike Tyson
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
August 23 2012 14:32 GMT
#52
I have to say that I disagree with the bo7 final . why wouldn't the player from the winner bracket have an advantage?
It's good to be back
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 23 2012 14:38 GMT
#53
HerO fighting!!!! It's time to win this thing!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
jobber123rd
Profile Joined December 2011
United States501 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 14:50:58
August 23 2012 14:40 GMT
#54
On August 23 2012 23:32 Lazzi wrote:
I have to say that I disagree with the bo7 final . why wouldn't the player from the winner bracket have an advantage?


The Championship Bracket is essentially two separate 20-player "double elimination" tournaments feeding into a single Final series. Winners/Losers Brackets don't have any meaning at the end; the survivors could both be undefeated, or they could both have a series loss (or started in the Losers Bracket from Group performance).

MLG used a split double-elimination bracket in the Summer Arena, and the reaction from the community was generally positive. The partitioning of the bracket is their answer to the issue of anticlimatic or unbalanced Finals of double elimination tournaments. AFAIK, the most notable use of such a format (in the US at least) is in collegiate baseball -- the NCAA College World Series has used a split double-elimination format since 1988.
"I'm always going to survive. Only reason I can't survive is if I'm dead or something." --Mike Tyson
NateTron
Profile Joined November 2011
United States31 Posts
August 23 2012 14:53 GMT
#55
I agree with everything you said pretty much and obviously they won't change it this late in the game, but as soon as they looked at the list of players they're now seeding into the groups after KESPA dropped out, it should have been obvious that the system was flawed. If i could have any seed at all, it'd be third seed, no question. I think everyone in their right minds would determine that in about 30 seconds--- I get to play Binski, qxc, caliber, or Gix. No offense intended to those players at all, it's just that they're nowhere near the CALIBER (pun) of players that are in the open bracket...players MLG assumedly knew long before we did.

Only other solution I would have at this point would be to let the players reseed themselves, with first seed having first pick, second seed having second pick, as MLG did at their Summer Arena. But, that's probably not going to happen. Oh well, I guess if you want to win the tourney you have to beat everyone before its all said and done anyways. I just hope Hero vs. MKP doesn't happen first round.




On August 23 2012 23:30 jobber123rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 23:04 NateTron wrote:
Anyone else think it's dumb that 1 and 2 seeds have to play the Open Bracket Winners? It's the way tournaments are usually run, sure (NCAA #1 seed plays vs play-in-game winner) but here the players that come out of the open bracket are going to be way, way stronger than players like QXC, Sasquatch, etc.

Also, is this standard MLG everything Bo3?

Thanks


Yeah, the seeding falls flat because 17-24 were supposed to be KeSPA, and after that fell through, due to time tand travel constraints, they still couldn't get the real 17-24 from Arena. Also, the system runs into problems because it's based on Summer season performance, but some of the strongest players will only show up for the Championship (additionally, MLG treats qualifier results equally for seeding, but the #12 KR Invite Qualifier finisher (for example) is likely to be stronger than the #12 from the other regions).

However, the only effective "fix" I can see for all that is having some subjective component to the seeding (like NCAA basketball/baseball/football tournaments), and that opens up another set of issues.

For what it's worth, at least the #1 and #2 seeds get Friday off for extra rest/acclimation or scouting the competition or whatever.

It's Bo3 for most matches. Bo7 extended series will occur if it's a rematch in the same phase of the tournament (Groups or Championship), or if a Group Final or Semifinal Match is a non-rematch and the Losers Bracket Player wins the initial Bo3.

The Championship Bracket Final will be a single Bo7 (split bracket similar to Summer Arena ensures no funky rematch or WB/LB scenarios).

A.Delicious.Yoghurt
Profile Joined June 2012
127 Posts
August 23 2012 14:58 GMT
#56
Tournament has Taeja and Stephano. Will watch.
Poilon
Profile Joined December 2010
France139 Posts
August 23 2012 15:18 GMT
#57
Will be hard for Stephano to beat Oz, as he lost to him lately.
Anyway a pretty good line up with MKP Taeja Stephano HerO First Grubby Xenocider
Good games incoming, and the Stephano vs Taeja Final will be just crazy :D
Des rats des rats
jobber123rd
Profile Joined December 2011
United States501 Posts
August 23 2012 15:22 GMT
#58
On August 23 2012 23:53 NateTron wrote:
I agree with everything you said pretty much and obviously they won't change it this late in the game, but as soon as they looked at the list of players they're now seeding into the groups after KESPA dropped out, it should have been obvious that the system was flawed. If i could have any seed at all, it'd be third seed, no question. I think everyone in their right minds would determine that in about 30 seconds--- I get to play Binski, qxc, caliber, or Gix. No offense intended to those players at all, it's just that they're nowhere near the CALIBER (pun) of players that are in the open bracket...players MLG assumedly knew long before we did.

Only other solution I would have at this point would be to let the players reseed themselves, with first seed having first pick, second seed having second pick, as MLG did at their Summer Arena. But, that's probably not going to happen. Oh well, I guess if you want to win the tourney you have to beat everyone before its all said and done anyways. I just hope Hero vs. MKP doesn't happen first round.




Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 23:30 jobber123rd wrote:
On August 23 2012 23:04 NateTron wrote:
Anyone else think it's dumb that 1 and 2 seeds have to play the Open Bracket Winners? It's the way tournaments are usually run, sure (NCAA #1 seed plays vs play-in-game winner) but here the players that come out of the open bracket are going to be way, way stronger than players like QXC, Sasquatch, etc.

Also, is this standard MLG everything Bo3?

Thanks


Yeah, the seeding falls flat because 17-24 were supposed to be KeSPA, and after that fell through, due to time tand travel constraints, they still couldn't get the real 17-24 from Arena. Also, the system runs into problems because it's based on Summer season performance, but some of the strongest players will only show up for the Championship (additionally, MLG treats qualifier results equally for seeding, but the #12 KR Invite Qualifier finisher (for example) is likely to be stronger than the #12 from the other regions).

However, the only effective "fix" I can see for all that is having some subjective component to the seeding (like NCAA basketball/baseball/football tournaments), and that opens up another set of issues.

For what it's worth, at least the #1 and #2 seeds get Friday off for extra rest/acclimation or scouting the competition or whatever.

It's Bo3 for most matches. Bo7 extended series will occur if it's a rematch in the same phase of the tournament (Groups or Championship), or if a Group Final or Semifinal Match is a non-rematch and the Losers Bracket Player wins the initial Bo3.

The Championship Bracket Final will be a single Bo7 (split bracket similar to Summer Arena ensures no funky rematch or WB/LB scenarios).



That would be a nice solution -- with the current 3/6 & 4/5 matches scheduled for Friday, the top seeds could have a choice of having a known (and likely weaker) opponent in Round 1 or waiting until Saturday afternoon to play. It's likely that they'd all pick the #6 or #5 seeds, and we'd get to watch the top Group players on Friday (which is about the best we can get at this point).

Too bad you're not in charge.
"I'm always going to survive. Only reason I can't survive is if I'm dead or something." --Mike Tyson
wajd
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
240 Posts
August 23 2012 15:25 GMT
#59
When will the matches be announced that will be broadcasted?
NateTron
Profile Joined November 2011
United States31 Posts
August 23 2012 15:26 GMT
#60
On August 24 2012 00:22 jobber123rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 23:53 NateTron wrote:
I agree with everything you said pretty much and obviously they won't change it this late in the game, but as soon as they looked at the list of players they're now seeding into the groups after KESPA dropped out, it should have been obvious that the system was flawed. If i could have any seed at all, it'd be third seed, no question. I think everyone in their right minds would determine that in about 30 seconds--- I get to play Binski, qxc, caliber, or Gix. No offense intended to those players at all, it's just that they're nowhere near the CALIBER (pun) of players that are in the open bracket...players MLG assumedly knew long before we did.

Only other solution I would have at this point would be to let the players reseed themselves, with first seed having first pick, second seed having second pick, as MLG did at their Summer Arena. But, that's probably not going to happen. Oh well, I guess if you want to win the tourney you have to beat everyone before its all said and done anyways. I just hope Hero vs. MKP doesn't happen first round.




On August 23 2012 23:30 jobber123rd wrote:
On August 23 2012 23:04 NateTron wrote:
Anyone else think it's dumb that 1 and 2 seeds have to play the Open Bracket Winners? It's the way tournaments are usually run, sure (NCAA #1 seed plays vs play-in-game winner) but here the players that come out of the open bracket are going to be way, way stronger than players like QXC, Sasquatch, etc.

Also, is this standard MLG everything Bo3?

Thanks


Yeah, the seeding falls flat because 17-24 were supposed to be KeSPA, and after that fell through, due to time tand travel constraints, they still couldn't get the real 17-24 from Arena. Also, the system runs into problems because it's based on Summer season performance, but some of the strongest players will only show up for the Championship (additionally, MLG treats qualifier results equally for seeding, but the #12 KR Invite Qualifier finisher (for example) is likely to be stronger than the #12 from the other regions).

However, the only effective "fix" I can see for all that is having some subjective component to the seeding (like NCAA basketball/baseball/football tournaments), and that opens up another set of issues.

For what it's worth, at least the #1 and #2 seeds get Friday off for extra rest/acclimation or scouting the competition or whatever.

It's Bo3 for most matches. Bo7 extended series will occur if it's a rematch in the same phase of the tournament (Groups or Championship), or if a Group Final or Semifinal Match is a non-rematch and the Losers Bracket Player wins the initial Bo3.

The Championship Bracket Final will be a single Bo7 (split bracket similar to Summer Arena ensures no funky rematch or WB/LB scenarios).



That would be a nice solution -- with the current 3/6 & 4/5 matches scheduled for Friday, the top seeds could have a choice of having a known (and likely weaker) opponent in Round 1 or waiting until Saturday afternoon to play. It's likely that they'd all pick the #6 or #5 seeds, and we'd get to watch the top Group players on Friday (which is about the best we can get at this point).

Too bad you're not in charge.


Amen to that
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