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On August 14 2012 20:21 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 20:20 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:18 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:16 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:13 IshinShishi wrote:On August 14 2012 20:10 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:09 IshinShishi wrote:
omfg, effOrt has really gone full elephant, it's hillarious to see people trying to down play this, when nestea trades well in baneling wars he is trading 4 lings for 1 baneling, what I mean by is that DRG played extremely well, it's just that no one has ever traded so perfectly as effort in baneling wars, amazing game, possibly the best zvz I've ever seen. You haven't seen a lot of ZvZ games if you think that's true. I've watched the GSL since open season 3, I'm sure that's true. I've seen DRG completely dominate ZvZ with excellent micro in games. Just because he lost today doesn't make it seem like "zomg, Kespa players doing something that's never been done before!" Which isn't true, cause it's been done before. On that note, damn is DRG doing terribly this past month. It makes it "zomg" because effort has played the game for 3 months while concurrently practicing brood war. That is why it is a big deal. And what I find funny about all of this is, Kespa teams are bringing in former GSL players/coaches to coach them so it accelerates the process. But no one even mentions that. It's done wonders for Jaedong's game though. I want him to go far. And er...has it been three months? I'm almost certain that the kespa players have been practising sc2 for way longer than that.
Only since the end of the last proleague season.
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On August 14 2012 20:24 The_Unseen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 20:22 AgentChaos wrote:
kespa players seem to have more fan girls, have to admit they are a better looking than gom apart from effort T____T Hero and MKP beg to differ :o
MKP :-*****
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On August 14 2012 20:24 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 20:21 The KY wrote:On August 14 2012 20:20 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:18 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:16 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:13 IshinShishi wrote:On August 14 2012 20:10 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:09 IshinShishi wrote:
omfg, effOrt has really gone full elephant, it's hillarious to see people trying to down play this, when nestea trades well in baneling wars he is trading 4 lings for 1 baneling, what I mean by is that DRG played extremely well, it's just that no one has ever traded so perfectly as effort in baneling wars, amazing game, possibly the best zvz I've ever seen. You haven't seen a lot of ZvZ games if you think that's true. I've watched the GSL since open season 3, I'm sure that's true. I've seen DRG completely dominate ZvZ with excellent micro in games. Just because he lost today doesn't make it seem like "zomg, Kespa players doing something that's never been done before!" Which isn't true, cause it's been done before. On that note, damn is DRG doing terribly this past month. It makes it "zomg" because effort has played the game for 3 months while concurrently practicing brood war. That is why it is a big deal. And what I find funny about all of this is, Kespa teams are bringing in former GSL players/coaches to coach them so it accelerates the process. But no one even mentions that. It's done wonders for Jaedong's game though. I want him to go far. And er...has it been three months? I'm almost certain that the kespa players have been practising sc2 for way longer than that. Only since the end of the last proleague season.
iirc cj was one of the earlier teams to start practicing
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On August 14 2012 20:21 Chunhyang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 20:17 mordk wrote:On August 14 2012 20:15 Assirra wrote:On August 14 2012 20:12 ceaRshaf wrote:On August 14 2012 20:09 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On August 14 2012 20:07 Infernal Knight wrote:
LR threads are a lot more pleasant when we're not having elephant wars. <_< Seriously, it's getting to a pathetic level. And of course there's zero moderation on that topic because it's actually supported -_- Well, time to back out of these threads then. It's not like CODE S players don't have a lot of raging fans that treat these KESPA players like code B or worse players and when they actually win or put up a fight they come with excuses. If respect was given were it's due no arguments would be happening. Some Kespa players are already really good and not even full speed. Deal with it! Oh come on, don't try to act like the victim here. The thing that started this mess was the TL article which praised the kespa players like a god (remember the nonsenical 100 players stomping the sc2 compettion) off all over it and calling sc2 essentially a joke. Actually it was even more nonsensical, the article said 300 pros and semipros could roflstomp the SC2 scene (or, as the article said, crush) withing a few months of switching. Such ridiculousness. The funny thing is that the article predicted instant domination. There is no domination. Nothing instant. It's been proven wrong. But Kespa players doing well, can't we just be happy
I love these strawmen. No, that is not what the article said.
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guys, Squeegy is the biggest pro-bw poster ever, i recommend not getting into arguments with him
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On August 14 2012 20:23 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 20:20 The KY wrote:
Why is everyone flaming lastshadow so much 0_0 I'd say you've earned some ridicule when you make an inflammatory post complaining about flaming 
Well yeah it was dumb ('games when kespa players lose are meaningless, games when kespa players win is proof that they are titans of SC2') but jeez, did I miss something where we all hate lastshadow now?
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HerO making sentries and getting a warp prism, looks like a sentry drop incoming.
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On August 14 2012 20:22 AgentChaos wrote:
kespa players seem to have more fan girls, have to admit they are a better looking than gom apart from effort T____T
This is getting ridiculous very fast.
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On August 14 2012 20:22 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 20:21 Chunhyang wrote:On August 14 2012 20:17 mordk wrote:On August 14 2012 20:15 Assirra wrote:On August 14 2012 20:12 ceaRshaf wrote:On August 14 2012 20:09 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On August 14 2012 20:07 Infernal Knight wrote:
LR threads are a lot more pleasant when we're not having elephant wars. <_< Seriously, it's getting to a pathetic level. And of course there's zero moderation on that topic because it's actually supported -_- Well, time to back out of these threads then. It's not like CODE S players don't have a lot of raging fans that treat these KESPA players like code B or worse players and when they actually win or put up a fight they come with excuses. If respect was given were it's due no arguments would be happening. Some Kespa players are already really good and not even full speed. Deal with it! Oh come on, don't try to act like the victim here. The thing that started this mess was the TL article which praised the kespa players like a god (remember the nonsenical 100 players stomping the sc2 compettion) off all over it and calling sc2 essentially a joke. Actually it was even more nonsensical, the article said 300 pros and semipros could roflstomp the SC2 scene (or, as the article said, crush) withing a few months of switching. Such ridiculousness. The funny thing is that the article predicted instant domination. There is no domination. Nothing instant. It's been proven wrong. But Kespa players doing well, can't we just be happy this 
But wasnt he refering to the play back then? which was definelty sub par from what it is now, and also the Kespa players never got a full NO BW straighting into sc2 practice style, they've been balancing it, no matter how little it may be, it still counts there are quite a few adjustments u need to keep on doing and keep both meta games and build order varitions and different positional orders all in their head. Also the b-teamers/practice partners are FUCKEN GOOD no one diss on them! u have no idea how hard it is to get to that position, which also shows how strong the A-team players are
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On August 14 2012 20:21 dynwar7 wrote:
I have registered for GomTV, but I am asking, out of those many videos on display, which one is the live one? Which would be..... hero join vs yugioh right?
I went to GomTV and it does have "featured vids" and it says free on the top left with green triangle. However, these are vods arent they? Where is the one showing live matches right now, which is hero join vs yugioh?
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On August 14 2012 20:24 klops wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 20:24 The_Unseen wrote:On August 14 2012 20:22 AgentChaos wrote:
kespa players seem to have more fan girls, have to admit they are a better looking than gom apart from effort T____T Hero and MKP beg to differ :o MKP :-*****
Bisu fangirls > all
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On August 14 2012 20:15 Notfragile wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 20:09 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On August 14 2012 20:07 Infernal Knight wrote:
LR threads are a lot more pleasant when we're not having elephant wars. <_< Seriously, it's getting to a pathetic level. And of course there's zero moderation on that topic because it's actually supported -_- Well, time to back out of these threads then. Yes... It IS pathetic and it IS not moderated. I was waiting for the moment when someone would see that as well. The elephant war is even more sad than the balance war. A bunch of butthurts that are no "e-sports originals" because they did not play/watch BW and a bunch of other butthurts whose favourite game just died. All flaming each other. The sad thing is the SCII guys with <500 posts are to be expected. Seing some guys, starcraft connoisseurs with 8k posts saying "some people are going to lose their jobs soon" and flame baiting is beyond me. And the lack of moderation is astonishing.
Yeh that whole affair... it's really sad.
For example there are a lot people like me, who actually appreciate more, very good players, coming into the Sc2 scene.
But, thanks to threads like that "Elephant in the room" and the "elite-perspective" I feel now compelled to hope most KeSPA players lose just so that this thing doesn't get any bigger.
When I see someone telling me that I'm basically an inferior human being because I watch a supposedly shitty game instead of the great BW and that KeSPA players are going to destroy the scene ez-pz... well how the fuck am I not supposed to be annoyed by that.
I thank all those BW followers that actually don't partake in that elitist behavior.
In the end of the day I just want to enjoy and talk about great matches and players, not about pathetic superiority.
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On August 14 2012 20:24 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 20:21 The KY wrote:On August 14 2012 20:20 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:18 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:16 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:13 IshinShishi wrote:On August 14 2012 20:10 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:09 IshinShishi wrote:
omfg, effOrt has really gone full elephant, it's hillarious to see people trying to down play this, when nestea trades well in baneling wars he is trading 4 lings for 1 baneling, what I mean by is that DRG played extremely well, it's just that no one has ever traded so perfectly as effort in baneling wars, amazing game, possibly the best zvz I've ever seen. You haven't seen a lot of ZvZ games if you think that's true. I've watched the GSL since open season 3, I'm sure that's true. I've seen DRG completely dominate ZvZ with excellent micro in games. Just because he lost today doesn't make it seem like "zomg, Kespa players doing something that's never been done before!" Which isn't true, cause it's been done before. On that note, damn is DRG doing terribly this past month. It makes it "zomg" because effort has played the game for 3 months while concurrently practicing brood war. That is why it is a big deal. And what I find funny about all of this is, Kespa teams are bringing in former GSL players/coaches to coach them so it accelerates the process. But no one even mentions that. It's done wonders for Jaedong's game though. I want him to go far. And er...has it been three months? I'm almost certain that the kespa players have been practising sc2 for way longer than that. It's been a bit more than three months. Not much more by any means. They didn't even have computers capable of running SC2 a while back. Moreover, it's funny that you're certain despite no evidence. They have stated they started practising very recently, do you think they are lying? Especially when BW's future wasn't decided very long time ago.
I watched them play broodwar in SPL not more than a few hours ago...
Technically they aren't playing anymore starcraft2 than Moon is playing War3
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Didn't even try to avoid watch tower??
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On August 14 2012 20:24 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 20:21 The KY wrote:On August 14 2012 20:20 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:18 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:16 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:13 IshinShishi wrote:On August 14 2012 20:10 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:09 IshinShishi wrote:
omfg, effOrt has really gone full elephant, it's hillarious to see people trying to down play this, when nestea trades well in baneling wars he is trading 4 lings for 1 baneling, what I mean by is that DRG played extremely well, it's just that no one has ever traded so perfectly as effort in baneling wars, amazing game, possibly the best zvz I've ever seen. You haven't seen a lot of ZvZ games if you think that's true. I've watched the GSL since open season 3, I'm sure that's true. I've seen DRG completely dominate ZvZ with excellent micro in games. Just because he lost today doesn't make it seem like "zomg, Kespa players doing something that's never been done before!" Which isn't true, cause it's been done before. On that note, damn is DRG doing terribly this past month. It makes it "zomg" because effort has played the game for 3 months while concurrently practicing brood war. That is why it is a big deal. And what I find funny about all of this is, Kespa teams are bringing in former GSL players/coaches to coach them so it accelerates the process. But no one even mentions that. It's done wonders for Jaedong's game though. I want him to go far. And er...has it been three months? I'm almost certain that the kespa players have been practising sc2 for way longer than that. Only since the end of the last proleague season.
I am relatively certain we were getting reports of some teams practising SC2 before that.
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Love it how people are surprised at Kespa players winning.
You're talking about players who've played a more mechanically demanding game for years longer than SC2's existence. Once they come over fulltime just wait and you'll see some micro.
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On August 14 2012 20:24 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 20:21 The KY wrote:On August 14 2012 20:20 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:18 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:16 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:13 IshinShishi wrote:On August 14 2012 20:10 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:09 IshinShishi wrote:
omfg, effOrt has really gone full elephant, it's hillarious to see people trying to down play this, when nestea trades well in baneling wars he is trading 4 lings for 1 baneling, what I mean by is that DRG played extremely well, it's just that no one has ever traded so perfectly as effort in baneling wars, amazing game, possibly the best zvz I've ever seen. You haven't seen a lot of ZvZ games if you think that's true. I've watched the GSL since open season 3, I'm sure that's true. I've seen DRG completely dominate ZvZ with excellent micro in games. Just because he lost today doesn't make it seem like "zomg, Kespa players doing something that's never been done before!" Which isn't true, cause it's been done before. On that note, damn is DRG doing terribly this past month. It makes it "zomg" because effort has played the game for 3 months while concurrently practicing brood war. That is why it is a big deal. And what I find funny about all of this is, Kespa teams are bringing in former GSL players/coaches to coach them so it accelerates the process. But no one even mentions that. It's done wonders for Jaedong's game though. I want him to go far. And er...has it been three months? I'm almost certain that the kespa players have been practising sc2 for way longer than that. Only since the end of the last proleague season.
Lol, oh please. I'm pretty sure every kespa team started practicing sc2 the moment they didn't have any chance to make the playoffs/finals of the previous proleague. This would also explain why KT and SKT T1 had such a rough start and are only now slowly starting to make a comeback.
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Lol. Hero showing how to get scouted by the opponent.
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On August 14 2012 20:24 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 20:21 The KY wrote:On August 14 2012 20:20 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:18 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:16 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:13 IshinShishi wrote:On August 14 2012 20:10 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On August 14 2012 20:09 IshinShishi wrote:
omfg, effOrt has really gone full elephant, it's hillarious to see people trying to down play this, when nestea trades well in baneling wars he is trading 4 lings for 1 baneling, what I mean by is that DRG played extremely well, it's just that no one has ever traded so perfectly as effort in baneling wars, amazing game, possibly the best zvz I've ever seen. You haven't seen a lot of ZvZ games if you think that's true. I've watched the GSL since open season 3, I'm sure that's true. I've seen DRG completely dominate ZvZ with excellent micro in games. Just because he lost today doesn't make it seem like "zomg, Kespa players doing something that's never been done before!" Which isn't true, cause it's been done before. On that note, damn is DRG doing terribly this past month. It makes it "zomg" because effort has played the game for 3 months while concurrently practicing brood war. That is why it is a big deal. And what I find funny about all of this is, Kespa teams are bringing in former GSL players/coaches to coach them so it accelerates the process. But no one even mentions that. It's done wonders for Jaedong's game though. I want him to go far. And er...has it been three months? I'm almost certain that the kespa players have been practising sc2 for way longer than that. It's been a bit more than three months. Not much more by any means. They didn't even have computers capable of running SC2 a while back. Moreover, it's funny that you're certain despite no evidence. They have stated they started practising very recently, do you think they are lying? Especially when BW's future wasn't decided very long time ago.
What? they had PC upgrades ages ago.
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