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On July 12 2012 23:18 polyphonyEX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:13 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner. if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of? nice try troll You lurked forever  But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right? Edit: Forgot Huk -.- No, he's actually right there. That isn't something I would say. I was responding to someone who said "a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags" and meant to put the word "douchebag" between 'successful' and 'foreign', but I missed it out -_- my bad The thing is that Naniwa isn't a douchbag. He's a passionate character with a bit of a troubled past that likes to speak his mind. I see so many people on these forums misrepresent Naniwa's personality. I guess that's the cost of being different.
Well, he actually DID some very wrong things such as the probe rush or some disrespectful statements in interviews, but come on, he's calmed down since and this doesn't mean the guy's whole personality is trash.
Btw, seeing how IdrA gets so much support given his personality, i'm surprised people are bitching about Naniwa... I don't want to judge IdrA, but he is quite more BM, etc. than Naniwa...
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Let's gooooooo DRG Byun finals!!!!
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On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner. if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of? nice try troll You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right? Edit: Forgot Huk -.-
i missed the hidden assumption and was to quick in calling him a troll, thanks for explaining that to me. ANd yes, i have been lurking for way too long and i decided i want to contribute to TL, even if it will only be supporting players and giving gratitude for the aweomse content on ths website 
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Nestea turned total zergbong? or byun is just sick? or both?
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On July 12 2012 23:18 polyphonyEX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:13 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner. if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of? nice try troll You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right? Edit: Forgot Huk -.- No, he's actually right there. That isn't something I would say. I was responding to someone who said "a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags" and meant to put the word "douchebag" between 'successful' and 'foreign', but I missed it out -_- my bad The thing is that Naniwa isn't a douchbag. He's a passionate character with a bit of a troubled past that likes to speak his mind. I see so many people on these forums misrepresent Naniwa's personality. I guess that's the cost of being different.
I don't see how you think you can defend your position. Being a douchebag isn't a very bad thing. There are a lot of things that are worse in terms of name calling. And douchebag is as douchebag does. His probe pull was interpreted by many as a douchebag move (and please, please don't start the debate again), his recent tweet lamenting UK getting WCS slots was also a douchebag move. Let's face it, he does things that piss people off a lot. If you look up what a douchebag is, it's usually a person that is arrogant (Swedes are better than Brits) and also a person that annoys/irritates people - which Naniwa does all the time. Is he a horrible villain for that? No, I wouldn't say so. Especially as he seems to be pretty clueless about all this.
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On July 12 2012 23:23 HQuality wrote:
Nestea turned total zergbong? or byun is just sick? or both?
both
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On July 12 2012 23:22 LakseWim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner. if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of? nice try troll You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right? Edit: Forgot Huk -.- i missed the hidden assumption and was to quick in calling him a troll, thanks for explaining that to me. ANd yes, i have been lurking for way too long and i decided i want to contribute to TL, even if it will only be supporting players and giving gratitude for the aweomse content on ths website
Apparently you were right, actually. SeaSwift responded.
Welcome to TL active membership ^^
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On July 12 2012 23:22 LakseWim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner. if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of? nice try troll You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right? Edit: Forgot Huk -.- i missed the hidden assumption and was to quick in calling him a troll, thanks for explaining that to me. ANd yes, i have been lurking for way too long and i decided i want to contribute to TL, even if it will only be supporting players and giving gratitude for the aweomse content on ths website
Nah, you were right to call me out dude.
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On July 12 2012 23:27 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:22 LakseWim wrote:On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner. if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of? nice try troll You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right? Edit: Forgot Huk -.- i missed the hidden assumption and was to quick in calling him a troll, thanks for explaining that to me. ANd yes, i have been lurking for way too long and i decided i want to contribute to TL, even if it will only be supporting players and giving gratitude for the aweomse content on ths website Nah, you were right to call me out dude.
Oh lol thanks for your honesty, cheers mate
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Don't know why so many people have to be rude to Naniwa. If anything, I think DRG had become rude with his comments about how 'easy' he could take down Nani and those tweets he made to Genius. It might all be for humor but I take it as disrespect. Hes not the same personality from a few months. Sure, I guess winning a lot can do that to you but I take that as an excuse.
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On July 12 2012 23:20 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:18 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 12 2012 23:13 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner. if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of? nice try troll You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right? Edit: Forgot Huk -.- No, he's actually right there. That isn't something I would say. I was responding to someone who said "a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags" and meant to put the word "douchebag" between 'successful' and 'foreign', but I missed it out -_- my bad The thing is that Naniwa isn't a douchbag. He's a passionate character with a bit of a troubled past that likes to speak his mind. I see so many people on these forums misrepresent Naniwa's personality. I guess that's the cost of being different. Well, he actually DID some very wrong things such as the probe rush or some disrespectful statements in interviews, but come on, he's calmed down since and this doesn't mean the guy's whole personality is trash. Btw, seeing how IdrA gets so much support given his personality, i'm surprised people are bitching about Naniwa... I don't want to judge IdrA, but he is quite more BM, etc. than Naniwa...
It's all about reputation. Naniwa has a bit of a checkered past in the public eye, and this kind of thing will be with him for a while. Even though I think Naniwa isn't truly a bm/douchebag character, people will still see him as so for a long time.
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On July 12 2012 22:45 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:40 M7Jagger wrote:On July 12 2012 21:45 legaton wrote:
Sweden-based posters reminds me of english fans after a defeat of their national squad at football. Too many "if" in all their posts.
About the best foreigner title, i have a question. What builds were created by Naniwa? I only remember the 3 stalker opening in PvP, but i'm not even sure if he invented it. Naniwa seems to be excellent at executing build orders, but he doesn't seem as creative as MC (how many two bases all-in has he invented?) or Stephano in the foreign scene (he literally changed the entire way you play PvZ with his 200/200 max roach army in the 11 minute, and he reintroduced ultras in standard zerg play). But what does changing the way you play a game has to do with how good you are? The only thing that matters is how good you perform and Naniwa is by far the best foreigner right now, you can't even compare Stephano to Naniwa. Stephano will be in Code S next season (right?) and i'm sure he will get crushed, his play is so predictable that everyone will just prepare for it and stop it. Mark my words. *checks nationality* *is not surprised*
But he is right.
You don´t need to create strategies to be the best (also nobody can say who invented some strategy).
Also - If you don´t have any arguments please stop posting.
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Hell yeah, Byun OWNING, omg.
NESTEEEEEEEEAAAAAA ( not this time =[ )
Anw, if a Terran wins this GSL will be quite fun.
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On July 12 2012 23:38 megid wrote:
Hell yeah, Byun OWNING, omg.
NESTEEEEEEEEAAAAAA ( not this time =[ )
Anw, if a Terran wins this GSL will be quite fun.
AWWWW yeahhhhh
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On July 12 2012 22:45 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:40 M7Jagger wrote:On July 12 2012 21:45 legaton wrote:
Sweden-based posters reminds me of english fans after a defeat of their national squad at football. Too many "if" in all their posts.
About the best foreigner title, i have a question. What builds were created by Naniwa? I only remember the 3 stalker opening in PvP, but i'm not even sure if he invented it. Naniwa seems to be excellent at executing build orders, but he doesn't seem as creative as MC (how many two bases all-in has he invented?) or Stephano in the foreign scene (he literally changed the entire way you play PvZ with his 200/200 max roach army in the 11 minute, and he reintroduced ultras in standard zerg play). But what does changing the way you play a game has to do with how good you are? The only thing that matters is how good you perform and Naniwa is by far the best foreigner right now, you can't even compare Stephano to Naniwa. Stephano will be in Code S next season (right?) and i'm sure he will get crushed, his play is so predictable that everyone will just prepare for it and stop it. Mark my words. *checks nationality* *is not surprised*
The fact that I am swedish doesn't make my argument less true. Could you please elaborate why my argument is flawed?
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It's kinda hard to say that Naniwa is stronger or weaker than Stephano, Naniwa is actually a really smart player when he has time to prepare for his opponent because he seems to be a really hard working man, and I guess it is why he's really successful on GSL (that, plus the fact he was able to dodge PvZ until today). On the other hand, Stephano is so incredible solid, especially in ZvT and ZvP and that's why his overall performance in big competition are still amazing in which you don't have so many time to study your opponent, and I guess that's why we didn't see Naniwa getting high in any tournament this year. Bottom line is, Naniwa is probably stronger in the GSL format (but, who knows? We'll see when Stephano goes in it) but Stephano is better for big lan event.
Amazing game today anyway!
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On July 12 2012 23:43 M7Jagger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:45 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 22:40 M7Jagger wrote:On July 12 2012 21:45 legaton wrote:
Sweden-based posters reminds me of english fans after a defeat of their national squad at football. Too many "if" in all their posts.
About the best foreigner title, i have a question. What builds were created by Naniwa? I only remember the 3 stalker opening in PvP, but i'm not even sure if he invented it. Naniwa seems to be excellent at executing build orders, but he doesn't seem as creative as MC (how many two bases all-in has he invented?) or Stephano in the foreign scene (he literally changed the entire way you play PvZ with his 200/200 max roach army in the 11 minute, and he reintroduced ultras in standard zerg play). But what does changing the way you play a game has to do with how good you are? The only thing that matters is how good you perform and Naniwa is by far the best foreigner right now, you can't even compare Stephano to Naniwa. Stephano will be in Code S next season (right?) and i'm sure he will get crushed, his play is so predictable that everyone will just prepare for it and stop it. Mark my words. *checks nationality* *is not surprised* The fact that I am swedish doesn't make my argument less true. Could you please elaborate why my argument is flawed?
You argue changing up your play is unimportant and then say Stephano is bad for not varying his play. Your argument is so bad it's a wonder some people actually were defending your position. I guess it's because Forikorder's reply was even worse.
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On July 12 2012 23:47 Vanadiel wrote:
It's kinda hard to say that Naniwa is stronger or weaker than Stephano, Naniwa is actually a really smart player when he has time to prepare for his opponent because he seems to be a really hard working man, and I guess it is why he's really successful on GSL (that, plus the fact he was able to dodge PvZ until today). On the other hand, Stephano is so incredible solid, especially in ZvT and ZvP and that's why his overall performance in big competition are still amazing in which you don't have so many time to study your opponent, and I guess that's why we didn't see Naniwa getting high in any tournament this year. Bottom line is, Naniwa is probably stronger in the GSL format (but, who knows? We'll see when Stephano goes in it) but Stephano is better for big lan event.
Amazing game today anyway!
i reckon naniwa's back to back RO8, being knocked out by GSL champions, is bigger than anything stephano has done this year =].
On July 12 2012 23:49 priestnoob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:43 M7Jagger wrote:On July 12 2012 22:45 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 22:40 M7Jagger wrote:On July 12 2012 21:45 legaton wrote:
Sweden-based posters reminds me of english fans after a defeat of their national squad at football. Too many "if" in all their posts.
About the best foreigner title, i have a question. What builds were created by Naniwa? I only remember the 3 stalker opening in PvP, but i'm not even sure if he invented it. Naniwa seems to be excellent at executing build orders, but he doesn't seem as creative as MC (how many two bases all-in has he invented?) or Stephano in the foreign scene (he literally changed the entire way you play PvZ with his 200/200 max roach army in the 11 minute, and he reintroduced ultras in standard zerg play). But what does changing the way you play a game has to do with how good you are? The only thing that matters is how good you perform and Naniwa is by far the best foreigner right now, you can't even compare Stephano to Naniwa. Stephano will be in Code S next season (right?) and i'm sure he will get crushed, his play is so predictable that everyone will just prepare for it and stop it. Mark my words. *checks nationality* *is not surprised* The fact that I am swedish doesn't make my argument less true. Could you please elaborate why my argument is flawed? You argue changing up your play is unimportant and then say Stephano is bad for not varying his play. Your argument is so bad it's a wonder some people actually were defending your position. I guess it's because Forikorder's reply was even worse.
no changing up your OWN play, but the metagame was what he said iirc
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On July 12 2012 23:47 Vanadiel wrote:
It's kinda hard to say that Naniwa is stronger or weaker than Stephano, Naniwa is actually a really smart player when he has time to prepare for his opponent because he seems to be a really hard working man, and I guess it is why he's really successful on GSL (that, plus the fact he was able to dodge PvZ until today). On the other hand, Stephano is so incredible solid, especially in ZvT and ZvP and that's why his overall performance in big competition are still amazing in which you don't have so many time to study your opponent, and I guess that's why we didn't see Naniwa getting high in any tournament this year. Bottom line is, Naniwa is probably stronger in the GSL format (but, who knows? We'll see when Stephano goes in it) but Stephano is better for big lan event.
Amazing game today anyway!
They're kind of opposites in a way, Stephano is one of those super mechanical players, but he tends to play... predictably? But Naniwa isn't the kind of player that can really rely on mechanics, so does best given lots of thinking and prep time.
Either way, I love both of them.
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