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Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
July 12 2012 13:52 GMT
#4601
BYUN BYUN BYUN!!!! I knew you would destroy Nestea!
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
July 12 2012 13:52 GMT
#4602
On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner.


if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
July 12 2012 13:56 GMT
#4603
On July 12 2012 22:48 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 22:47 schaf wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:45 Forikorder wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:40 M7Jagger wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:45 legaton wrote:
Sweden-based posters reminds me of english fans after a defeat of their national squad at football. Too many "if" in all their posts.

About the best foreigner title, i have a question. What builds were created by Naniwa? I only remember the 3 stalker opening in PvP, but i'm not even sure if he invented it. Naniwa seems to be excellent at executing build orders, but he doesn't seem as creative as MC (how many two bases all-in has he invented?) or Stephano in the foreign scene (he literally changed the entire way you play PvZ with his 200/200 max roach army in the 11 minute, and he reintroduced ultras in standard zerg play).


But what does changing the way you play a game has to do with how good you are? The only thing that matters is how good you perform and Naniwa is by far the best foreigner right now, you can't even compare Stephano to Naniwa. Stephano will be in Code S next season (right?) and i'm sure he will get crushed, his play is so predictable that everyone will just prepare for it and stop it. Mark my words.

*checks nationality*
*is not surprised*


good method to avoid arguments

I DONT DEAL WITH NO SWEDES!!

i was reffering more that its not surprising someone from Sweden is so heavily biased towards Naniwa


That's an easy way to avoid losing an argument.

Naniwa is the best foreigner based on results. Deal with it.
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
July 12 2012 13:57 GMT
#4604
On July 12 2012 22:48 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 22:47 schaf wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:45 Forikorder wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:40 M7Jagger wrote:
On July 12 2012 21:45 legaton wrote:
Sweden-based posters reminds me of english fans after a defeat of their national squad at football. Too many "if" in all their posts.

About the best foreigner title, i have a question. What builds were created by Naniwa? I only remember the 3 stalker opening in PvP, but i'm not even sure if he invented it. Naniwa seems to be excellent at executing build orders, but he doesn't seem as creative as MC (how many two bases all-in has he invented?) or Stephano in the foreign scene (he literally changed the entire way you play PvZ with his 200/200 max roach army in the 11 minute, and he reintroduced ultras in standard zerg play).


But what does changing the way you play a game has to do with how good you are? The only thing that matters is how good you perform and Naniwa is by far the best foreigner right now, you can't even compare Stephano to Naniwa. Stephano will be in Code S next season (right?) and i'm sure he will get crushed, his play is so predictable that everyone will just prepare for it and stop it. Mark my words.

*checks nationality*
*is not surprised*


good method to avoid arguments

I DONT DEAL WITH NO SWEDES!!

i was reffering more that its not surprising someone from Sweden is so heavily biased towards Naniwa


I know but I dont find his post biased at all. Naniwa is performing really really really good (I mean taking of 2 games off DRG - wtf) in the hardest league in the world. He stood his ground and proved that his gifted spot was not wasted on him.

Also I share the opinion about Stephano, I dont think he will get rolled neccessarily but he is more the intuitive player who always knows what to do to kill you; code S is just more focused on preparation and strategies. But I'm excited nonetheless!
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 14:08:07
July 12 2012 13:57 GMT
#4605
On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner.


if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there


Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful douchebag foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of?
Coolness53
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
July 12 2012 13:58 GMT
#4606
I knew that Nestea didn't look himself. I thought he was going to lose...Nestea got dominated
Fruitdealer, DongRaeGu, and Soulkey
simpabrz
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden33 Posts
July 12 2012 14:00 GMT
#4607
I'm swedish, so I'm simply not allowed to have an opinion on games with swedish players. Yeah, makes sense.
LakseWim
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands202 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 14:13:17
July 12 2012 14:05 GMT
#4608
On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner.


if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there


Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of?


i was a bit to quick there, apologies
NaNiwa | HerO | MC | Rain | PartinG | sOs
TheShadower
Profile Joined November 2011
United States94 Posts
July 12 2012 14:06 GMT
#4609
On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner.


if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there


Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of?



While he clearly is no longer where he was before (comparitively speaking), Huk had some great results for a while. A Dreamhack, multiple MLGs, a Homestory Cup, GSL Ro8 etc. If I had to pick the top foreigner from beta to now it might be him.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
July 12 2012 14:08 GMT
#4610
On July 12 2012 23:06 TheShadower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner.


if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there


Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of?



While he clearly is no longer where he was before (comparitively speaking), Huk had some great results for a while. A Dreamhack, multiple MLGs, a Homestory Cup, GSL Ro8 etc. If I had to pick the top foreigner from beta to now it might be him.


Sorry, I meant to put in the word "douchebag" there but forgot.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 14:17:30
July 12 2012 14:09 GMT
#4611
On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner.


if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there


Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of?


nice try troll


You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right?

Edit: Forgot Huk -.-
Edit 2: Nvm. See SeaSwift's post below.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
July 12 2012 14:11 GMT
#4612
Wow...watching game 2 byun vs nestea. Nestea making Zerg look bad rofl
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 14:12:53
July 12 2012 14:12 GMT
#4613
On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner.


if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there


Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of?


nice try troll


You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right?

Edit: Forgot Huk -.-


Stephano. SOOOOON.

Well, I quite doubt this, having a well defined playstyle is quite not a very good thing...

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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
July 12 2012 14:12 GMT
#4614
Just checked results, pretty surprised that nani took it to game 5, he's getting really good.
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polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 12 2012 14:13 GMT
#4615
On July 12 2012 23:12 Megaliskuu wrote:
Just checked results, pretty surprised that nani took it to game 5, he's getting really good.

Why should you be surprised? Naniwa has the determination of a tiger. He could have easily won tonight.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
July 12 2012 14:13 GMT
#4616
On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner.


if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there


Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of?


nice try troll


You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right?

Edit: Forgot Huk -.-


No, he's actually right there. That isn't something I would say.

I was responding to someone who said "a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags" and meant to put the word "douchebag" between 'successful' and 'foreign', but I missed it out -_- my bad
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
July 12 2012 14:15 GMT
#4617
On July 12 2012 23:12 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:
On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner.


if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there


Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of?


nice try troll


You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right?

Edit: Forgot Huk -.-


Stephano. SOOOOON.

Well, I quite doubt this, having a well defined playstyle is quite not a very good thing...



To be fair, his style is now considered standard in the ZvT matchup. He pretty much revolutionised that MU, and his 200/200 roach push could be considered a revolution in ZvP at a stretch.
GeorgeH
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom190 Posts
July 12 2012 14:17 GMT
#4618
On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner.


if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there


What? His post didn't imply that Naniwa is the only "douchebag" foreigner.

On July 12 2012 23:00 simpabrz wrote:
I'm swedish, so I'm simply not allowed to have an opinion on games with swedish players. Yeah, makes sense.


Nobody said that and nothing is preventing you from typing and clicking the Post button, bro.

They're making excuses for him, and this is why people get annoyed. They completely disregard either how well the opponent played or how bad the other guy is because he is just a cheesing scrub or how badly Naniwa played (which he really didn't in this case, just a few mistakes cost him, but such is the nature of high-level competitive play) and proceed to channel their dissappointment/rage into nonsensical rants about game balance, luck, or some hypothetical situation in which Naniwa would have won believing that he is superior in every way because they can't think of any sensible reason why he lost.
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 14:23:16
July 12 2012 14:18 GMT
#4619
On July 12 2012 23:13 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote:
On July 12 2012 23:05 LakseWim wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:57 SeaSwift wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:52 udgnim wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:46 Mayd wrote:
I don't understand why should we cheer for a douchebag just because he is a foreigner.


if you haven't noticed yet a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags and I cheer for Naniwa because he's one of the hardest working foreigners out there and genuinely wants to become one of the best SC2 pros out there


Apart from Idra, there aren't any successful foreign SC2 pros that I can think of. Who are you thinking of?


nice try troll


You lurked forever But you still should not call SeaSwift of all people a troll The hidden assumption here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that only GSL results matter, and then it's indeed Jinro, Idra and Naniwa, right?

Edit: Forgot Huk -.-


No, he's actually right there. That isn't something I would say.

I was responding to someone who said "a lot of foreign SC pros are douchebags" and meant to put the word "douchebag" between 'successful' and 'foreign', but I missed it out -_- my bad

The thing is that Naniwa isn't a douchbag. He's a passionate character with a bit of a troubled past and likes to speak his mind. I see so many people on these forums misrepresent Naniwa's personality as one with 'malicious' intent. I guess that's the cost of being different.

Anyway, there will always be haters. All I know is that Naniwa proved a lot of people wrong tonight.
Gestalt
Profile Joined June 2011
United States39 Posts
July 12 2012 14:20 GMT
#4620
Wow, impressed that Naniwa took it to a game 5 (b/c it's DRG, not b/c I doubt him), and sounds like he could have won too. Gratz to proving he deserved his spot, and grats to DRG and Byun for advancing
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