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honestly, i dont find much merit in solely looking at the head-to-head series scores. you really have to watch the series to be able to evaluate the difference in skill. in other news, EVERYONE, mkp or mma fan, should watch the stars war 7 final series if they can find it, it was really back and forth and ridiculously high level play
[IPL] FC24: MarineKing vs CoCa - Page 10
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MasterKang
United States1373 Posts
honestly, i dont find much merit in solely looking at the head-to-head series scores. you really have to watch the series to be able to evaluate the difference in skill. in other news, EVERYONE, mkp or mma fan, should watch the stars war 7 final series if they can find it, it was really back and forth and ridiculously high level play | ||
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Rulker
United States1477 Posts
On July 03 2012 09:22 WigglingSquid wrote: Fairly snappy reaction from Coca against a somewhat unusual opener/midgame (afaik). Too bad, it was a nice bo. T___T I wouldnt say unusual, I'd say uncommon, I see Korean terrans do it sometime on stream (SOMETIMES, rarely), I saw major do it once. I wasn't really watching, so I'm under the assumption that he went for what I caught futile glimpses of (Hellion Banshee + 1 Raven -> Heavy Mech). | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5524 Posts
On July 03 2012 09:23 FuzzyJAM wrote: While I feel Coca is out-playing MarineKing here, it's really stupid to pretend that the Queen buff doesn't play a part in every single TvZ right now - it obviously does, even if only indirectly. Regardless of whether it overtly affects the games, it's definitely a bad time to be a Terran player, trying to re-figure out the game vs. Zergs. I agree. | ||
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StaplerPhone
United States813 Posts
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MasterKang
United States1373 Posts
On July 03 2012 09:23 FuzzyJAM wrote: While I feel Coca is out-playing MarineKing here, it's really stupid to pretend that the Queen buff doesn't play a part in every single TvZ right now - it obviously does, even if only indirectly. ofc it does but at the same time, would the zergling/baneling flanks/surrounds have been ineffective if the buff wasn't implemented? no ofc not, mkp's army would still have been demolished | ||
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Rulker
United States1477 Posts
On July 03 2012 09:23 MasterKang wrote: honestly, i dont find much merit in solely looking at the head-to-head series scores. you really have to watch the series to be able to evaluate the difference in skill. in other news, EVERYONE, mkp or mma fan, should watch the stars war 7 final series if they can find it, it was really back and forth and ridiculously high level play Honestly I'm not trying to claim MKP or MMA is better with that statistic I'm just saying it's not a huge defecit 2012, and yes, they are so closely tied in TvT and such high level players that they both distinguish themselves from the pack of Terrans. | ||
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Rulker
United States1477 Posts
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On July 03 2012 09:24 MasterKang wrote: ofc it does but at the same time, would the zergling/baneling flanks/surrounds have been ineffective if the buff wasn't implemented? no ofc not, mkp's army would still have been demolished I think the point was, that situation would not have arisen if the game played out under a prior patch because the patch affects everything that happens after the pool is built. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 03 2012 09:24 MasterKang wrote: ofc it does but at the same time, would the zergling/baneling flanks/surrounds have been ineffective if the buff wasn't implemented? no ofc not, mkp's army would still have been demolished but i suppose the point also is that the queen buff allowed coca to have those numbers of ling/bane, due to the better eco and terran's inability to harass. with better harass, zerg need to produce more to defend, meaning lesser upgrades and less units/larvae | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 03 2012 09:23 MasterKang wrote: honestly, i dont find much merit in solely looking at the head-to-head series scores. you really have to watch the series to be able to evaluate the difference in skill. in other news, EVERYONE, mkp or mma fan, should watch the stars war 7 final series if they can find it, it was really back and forth and ridiculously high level play you could also watch IPL4 MMA-MKP or the GSL up/downs too, there are many series of them | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On July 03 2012 09:26 Rulker wrote: Speaking of MMA it's going to be hard to wait to the 17th for his GSL matches T_T Speaking of MMA, he used to have the best TvZ in the world and now he can't beat a zerg to save his life. Makes you go hmmmmm.  | ||
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Fubi
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On July 03 2012 09:24 MasterKang wrote: ofc it does but at the same time, would the zergling/baneling flanks/surrounds have been ineffective if the buff wasn't implemented? no ofc not, mkp's army would still have been demolished Queen buff allowed zerg to get stronger early D with less resources invested, and therefore they can have a stronger early economy than before (even more so with faster OL to confirm what T is doing); therefore, it snowballs from there. So the stronger economy allowed Zerg to have MORE zergling/baneling for the flanks. I'm not saying it 100% would of mattered, but it certainly did help indirectly. | ||
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Lennient
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MasterKang
United States1373 Posts
On July 03 2012 09:27 Ghanburighan wrote: I think the point was, that situation would not have arisen if the game played out under a prior patch because the patch affects everything that happens after the pool is built. a situation where the zerg has zerglings, banelings, and infestors aginst terran's marines/medivacs/tanks pretty much comes up in 99% of TvZ's.. regardless of the queen buff, coca's decision to surround and flank with banelings would have won him the battle | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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EvilZergling
United States194 Posts
This series really shows how strong Zerg have gotten after the recent buff. Many people argue whether it was a big deal or not but here's a fact. Previous to the patch it could be argued that MKP was dominating the entire scene. Coca is good, really good, but I would think that many could agree that he is not on MKP's level and when you weigh achievements and results that decision can clearly be made. Coca is absolutely rolling all over MKP now. High level Zergs lately have been using the excuse that Terrans are not adapting or experimenting with new strategies to combat the recent buff; Yet, MKP has been trying some really intricate stuff in this series including mech with no success. Not OP, but something to look at. | ||
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andaylin
United States10830 Posts
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sparklyresidue
United States5524 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On July 03 2012 09:24 MasterKang wrote: ofc it does but at the same time, would the zergling/baneling flanks/surrounds have been ineffective if the buff wasn't implemented? no ofc not, mkp's army would still have been demolished I really don't want to get into the balance discussion, but I feel I have to point out that you are missing the relevance of a buff (like the queen buff) to every part of the matchup. I am not saying it is or isn't imbalanced, but buffing something for a race that helps with the early game makes the rest of the game easier for that race. | ||
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