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Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 00:14:27
July 03 2012 00:12 GMT
#141
On July 03 2012 09:11 Thinasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:09 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:08 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote:
CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.


This post was hilarious.

I hope he 5-1's.


1 bo series = better player. Nice.

He just 2-0'd MKP in one TSL qual and 2-0'd him in ESV


3 bo series after this. Nice.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=2244&part=games&vs=959&league=any&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=1&from_day=13&to_year=2012&to_month=6&to_day=22&action=Update

http://www.teamliquid.net/tournaments/admin/?action=bracket&id=3218
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 03 2012 00:14 GMT
#142
On July 03 2012 09:12 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:10 opterown wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:09 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:08 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote:
CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.


This post was hilarious.

I hope he 5-1's.

he'll 5-3

I think with the balance as it is, 5-2 or 5-1, without balance as it is, it would be 5-3 at least if not MKP winning 5-3 5-2.

However with Coca ZvT as is and ZvT in general as is I'm staying with 5-2 or 5-1, happy to eat my words though.

5-3 with patch, without patch i'd say MKP edges him out 5-4 or 5-3 maybe. =]
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 03 2012 00:14 GMT
#143
On July 03 2012 09:10 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:10 Bagration wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:07 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:06 aznball123 wrote:
Of course he is, first OSL champion incoming.. lol kidding. But I still believe he is Code S material.

No belief neccesary, his gameplay proves he's Code S level.


Even as a Coca fan, I have to admit that his play has been inconsistent. He has had great games, and not so great games.

Also, even though such a statistic is meaningless when matched against MKP, I would like to mention that Coca had a 100% winrate against Protoss in the GSL in 2011, when he was Code S for multiple seasons. He's good.

Oz had near 100% PvP for a while, too :p haha


Alas, Coca's ZvP used to be untouchable, now it is only merely pretty good

/Korean Progamer problems
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
July 03 2012 00:14 GMT
#144
On July 03 2012 09:12 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:11 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:09 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:08 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote:
CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.


This post was hilarious.

I hope he 5-1's.


1 bo series = better player. Nice.

He just 2-0'd MKP in one TSL qual and 2-0'd him in another.


3 bo series after this. Nice.


Just like mvp wins against mkp, while mma wins against mvp, then mkp wins against mma.
Says nothing. Overall results is a different story.
Jaedong & Faker
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
July 03 2012 00:16 GMT
#145
On July 03 2012 09:14 Thinasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:12 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:11 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:09 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:08 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote:
CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.


This post was hilarious.

I hope he 5-1's.


1 bo series = better player. Nice.

He just 2-0'd MKP in one TSL qual and 2-0'd him in another.


3 bo series after this. Nice.


Just like mvp wins against mkp, while mma wins against mvp, then mkp wins against mma.
Says nothing. Overall results is a different story.


MMA just 3-2 MKP in Stars War.

Don't you mean MVP > Polt > MMA > MVP? Or not?
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
July 03 2012 00:16 GMT
#146
omg MKP, floating barracks = the floating factory of TvP!!!
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
July 03 2012 00:16 GMT
#147
On July 03 2012 09:14 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:12 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:10 opterown wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:09 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:08 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote:
CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.


This post was hilarious.

I hope he 5-1's.

he'll 5-3

I think with the balance as it is, 5-2 or 5-1, without balance as it is, it would be 5-3 at least if not MKP winning 5-3 5-2.

However with Coca ZvT as is and ZvT in general as is I'm staying with 5-2 or 5-1, happy to eat my words though.

5-3 with patch, without patch i'd say MKP edges him out 5-4 or 5-3 maybe. =]

Without Patch 5-4 either way seems most likely
Rain.100
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany946 Posts
July 03 2012 00:16 GMT
#148
On July 03 2012 09:07 opterown wrote:
i vote:
-remove atlantis spaceship
-remove whirlwind
-remove metropolis
-remove cloud kingdom
-add steppes of war

Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote:
CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.


i doubt many consider coca better in absolute skill. it's hard to say where he is.


the maps are really the reason why so many korean terrans get owned by zerg.

ofc every torunament wants to use huge maps for long macro games
but terran doesnt have his shining moments in the late game - so they have to apply a lot of pressure in the early stages.
but by using metropolis, daybreak, spacebear in every tournament terrans cant do what they have to do and lose.

smaller maps and everything would be finde but no more insta 3base
I have to return some videotapes. Maru and MarineLorD <3
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
July 03 2012 00:17 GMT
#149
On July 03 2012 09:06 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:06 MasterKang wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:03 MCDayC wrote:
MKP threw that game away so quickly in the midgame, he gave the zerg such a huge advantage going into the final battle.


what? im pretty sure coca was the one about to throw the game away by being so passive, but his spine crawler trick was enough to overrun mkp when hunterseeker wasnt ready


Zergs throw away TvZ's by being passive? good one.


yeah.... letting mkp take a 4th and 5th base after losing his entire army is kind of throwing away a game.... yeah...
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 00:17:51
July 03 2012 00:17 GMT
#150
On July 03 2012 09:11 Chantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:08 zezamer wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:06 Chantastic wrote:
He did really really well until him and Byun (GhostKing) got suspended for a year because of a "Match fixing" thing that happened. Before he got suspended, he had a really impressive run in MLG Anaheim 2011, and he was always looked at as someone who had a ton of potential.

Guess him and Byun spent a lot of their off time practicing rather than participating in tournaments.


Wasn't it 6 months ?


Ah, I looked it up, the coaches of both parties involved said whenever both players had the right "mentality" again. Source here. But it's been about 8ish months, so quite a long time.


Naa it was way shorter. I had to check it because couldn't remember how long the ban was.

They got banned Nov 15th 2011

Buyn back in line up feb 18th 2012
Coca march 10th 2012

So it wasn't that long but it took him couple seasons to get back into good shape.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
July 03 2012 00:17 GMT
#151
That was really cool to watch. Also, Mech TvZ yayayay! :D
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 03 2012 00:17 GMT
#152
On July 03 2012 09:16 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:14 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:12 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:11 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:09 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:08 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote:
CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.


This post was hilarious.

I hope he 5-1's.


1 bo series = better player. Nice.

He just 2-0'd MKP in one TSL qual and 2-0'd him in another.


3 bo series after this. Nice.


Just like mvp wins against mkp, while mma wins against mvp, then mkp wins against mma.
Says nothing. Overall results is a different story.


MMA just 3-2 MKP in Stars War.

Don't you mean MVP > Polt > MMA > MVP? Or not?


MKP has 70% winrate vs MMA in Korea and 57% international, so It's not completely one-sided but there is an advantage.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
July 03 2012 00:17 GMT
#153
MarineKing really isn't playing half as amazingly as normal this series. Keeps slipping in macro and his micro hasn't been as good as it usually is either.

He's still playing really well, of course!
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 03 2012 00:18 GMT
#154
On July 03 2012 09:16 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:14 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:12 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:11 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:09 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:08 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote:
CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.


This post was hilarious.

I hope he 5-1's.


1 bo series = better player. Nice.

He just 2-0'd MKP in one TSL qual and 2-0'd him in another.


3 bo series after this. Nice.


Just like mvp wins against mkp, while mma wins against mvp, then mkp wins against mma.
Says nothing. Overall results is a different story.


MMA just 3-2 MKP in Stars War.

Don't you mean MVP > Polt > MMA > MVP? Or not?

MKP is like 10-4 ish lifetime against MMA.
http://www.sc2charts.net/en/edb/player_compare/861-mma/465-marineking
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 03 2012 00:18 GMT
#155
On July 03 2012 09:17 zezamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:11 Chantastic wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:08 zezamer wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:06 Chantastic wrote:
He did really really well until him and Byun (GhostKing) got suspended for a year because of a "Match fixing" thing that happened. Before he got suspended, he had a really impressive run in MLG Anaheim 2011, and he was always looked at as someone who had a ton of potential.

Guess him and Byun spent a lot of their off time practicing rather than participating in tournaments.


Wasn't it 6 months ?


Ah, I looked it up, the coaches of both parties involved said whenever both players had the right "mentality" again. Source here. But it's been about 8ish months, so quite a long time.


Naa it was way shorter. I had to check it because couldn't remember how long the ban was.

They got banned Nov 15th 2011

Buyn back in line up feb 18th 2012
Coca march 10th 2012

So it wasn't that long but it took him couple seasons to get back to code S.


Byun's back in Code S, Coca unfortunately is still in Code B.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
July 03 2012 00:18 GMT
#156
On July 03 2012 09:16 Rain.100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:07 opterown wrote:
i vote:
-remove atlantis spaceship
-remove whirlwind
-remove metropolis
-remove cloud kingdom
-add steppes of war

On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote:
CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.


i doubt many consider coca better in absolute skill. it's hard to say where he is.


the maps are really the reason why so many korean terrans get owned by zerg.

ofc every torunament wants to use huge maps for long macro games
but terran doesnt have his shining moments in the late game - so they have to apply a lot of pressure in the early stages.
but by using metropolis, daybreak, spacebear in every tournament terrans cant do what they have to do and lose.

smaller maps and everything would be finde but no more insta 3base

Obv the problem is that Zergs stronger econoym in early/midgame gives a much more powerful and speedier lategame. Terran lategame (endgame moreliek) is theoretically stronger but you cant ever get to it quick enough.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
July 03 2012 00:18 GMT
#157
This is the mech opener I like most at the moment.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 03 2012 00:18 GMT
#158
On July 03 2012 09:16 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:14 opterown wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:12 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:10 opterown wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:09 Rulker wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:08 Thinasy wrote:
On July 03 2012 09:06 Rulker wrote:
CoCa is better then MKP, regardless of the balance patch. Disregarding the fact that he lost in the only GSL qualifier he's been able to participate in since he was Temp Banned from GSL, his preformance and gameplay has been super strong, in Korean Weeklys (getting 2nd to Life) and Qualifying for OSL, and doing well in GSTL, and getting awesome results in TSL.


This post was hilarious.

I hope he 5-1's.

he'll 5-3

I think with the balance as it is, 5-2 or 5-1, without balance as it is, it would be 5-3 at least if not MKP winning 5-3 5-2.

However with Coca ZvT as is and ZvT in general as is I'm staying with 5-2 or 5-1, happy to eat my words though.

5-3 with patch, without patch i'd say MKP edges him out 5-4 or 5-3 maybe. =]

Without Patch 5-4 either way seems most likely

remember MKP 5-2 and 4-3 DRG before patch, and DRG is a much better zerg than coca
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
July 03 2012 00:18 GMT
#159
On July 03 2012 09:12 Crowned wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 09:03 -_- wrote:
Is Coca on the same talent level as MKP? I haven't been following the scene very carefully lately. Is he a real threat to win this series?


Inferior Zergs have been beating the top Terrans commonly since the queen buff so yes he is a real threat to win this series.


yeah coca is such an inferior zerg. his zergling/baneling flanks were definitely stronger after that queen buff
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 00:19:48
July 03 2012 00:19 GMT
#160
nvm im too tired
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