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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
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inza
Sweden46 Posts
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On June 18 2012 10:10 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Alright, I see what you're getting at. I see map score as a good tiebreaker when the amount of won BO3 fails to set players apart. I don't see why map score shouldn't matter, winning maps is a sign of SC2 skill. Losing 1-2 is a sign that the player was closer in skill than when losing 0-2 (just like in many other sport like soccer etc). I guess our opinions differ in this regard. I still don't get why you think the GSL system is more fair because, as I pointed out, players can advance simply by being lucky to avoid a certain opponent. That system does still not solve the problem of unfairness, it just sweeps it under the rug by not allowing all players to face eachother. Like I said in my last edit, I can see the benefits of the GSL system and I quite like it myelf, I just don't think it's any more fair than the system used in Dreamhack. I think that since this format is so likely to produce ties at 2-1, they should definitely have a Tie Breaker BO3. That may take too much time for a tournament that starts with 128 players, so I think it's fair to do it based on map score for the RO128 and RO64. But IMO there's no good reason not to have a Tie Breaker in the RO32 to see who advances to the playoffs. If you do that you're probably only adding a handful of extra BO3s, but they would be exciting games with good players from the top 32 and the drama of a win or go home scenario. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Benjamin99
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Rewera
Poland354 Posts
. All of the brackets were decided by random draw. Not related to my other posts, but are you sure it is really random? Here is other fun fact. Did you know that in every regular Dreamhack event [this is like sixth] every pair who shared group in last group stage were drawn that way that couldn't meet each other in first and second stage of play-off? Do you know how lucky we are to pull that off in random system? In ro16 there are 4 sides of the bracket, and no pair can share same side. Let's assume they are drawn one group pair after another [to make calculations easier]: first one goes to group X and there is 3/4 chance he will go to other group. We have 6 ro16 which means it have to be pulled 48 times in a row. It's ~1/10 000 and in reality it is even less [beacuse this not accounts for places taken], but if you ask me i predict next Dreamhack will go the same. This is more a joke than a serious post. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On June 18 2012 10:58 leo23 wrote: mmmmmmmm nice juicy teamkill... bracket looks good for stephano Actually its bad. Keen are fine but getting Nerchio in the quarterfinal is not good. Stephano is atm horrible in ZvZ and I expect Nerchio to beat Stephano if they meet. But yea If Stephano can win vs Nerchio he cant be stopped | ||
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xxxxxxb
155 Posts
On June 18 2012 10:33 Benjamin99 wrote: Why are people arguing over the group system? Most sports use this system I really dont understand why people are so mad. But they are premade and announced before the tournament even starts. Maybe it was just liquipedia that wasn't updated, but for example, yesterday I couldn't read something like "Winner of G-A vs Runner-up of G-F" in the brackets. The fact that they waited until the names were there will obviously make some people go super paranoid. Although accusing them of fixing is pretty bold (*) I can't really blame them. And btw, now that we are talking about rules and that. Why did ToD got dropped from his group? Isn't 5-4 better thatn 4-3? * Don't really know if this is the word I'm looking for. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 18 2012 11:01 Benjamin99 wrote: Actually its bad. Keen are fine but getting Nerchio in the quarterfinal is not good. Stephano is atm horrible in ZvZ and I expect Nerchio to beat Stephano if they meet. But yea If Stephano can win vs Nerchio he cant be stopped Keen is DRG's teammate though, and he beat Nestea pretty recently. Stephano vs Code S Terran is different from Stephano vs normal Terrans, though the queen buff might have made that a bit better. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On June 18 2012 11:01 xxxxxxb wrote: But they are premade and announced before the tournament even starts. Maybe it was just liquipedia that wasn't updated, but for example, yesterday I couldn't read something like "Winner of G-A vs Runner-up of G-F" in the brackets. The fact that they waited until the names were there will obviously make some people go super paranoid. Although accusing them of fixing is pretty bold (*) I can't really blame them. And btw, now that we are talking about rules and that. Why did ToD got dropped from his group? Isn't 5-4 better thatn 4-3? * Don't really know if this is the word I'm looking for. If they were fixing I doubt they'd throw almost all the best players onto one side of the bracket. Keen/Taeja/Hero all on one side? They'd have split up the koreans | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 18 2012 11:05 mrtomjones wrote: If they were fixing I doubt they'd throw almost all the best players onto one side of the bracket. Keen/Taeja/Hero all on one side? They'd have split up the koreans Why would they do that? This makes it so there is no Korean vs Korean finals and Korean vs Foreigner is much more exciting to the casual viewer. It could very well be Foreigner vs Foreigner finals even with Stephano on that side of the bracket, which if it is stephano vs naniwa/sase will still pull the same or more viewers. | ||
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Psyclon
Bulgaria2443 Posts
I was wondering the same thing all day yesterday! | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On June 18 2012 11:04 ticklishmusic wrote: Keen is DRG's teammate though, and he beat Nestea pretty recently. Stephano vs Code S Terran is different from Stephano vs normal Terrans, though the queen buff might have made that a bit better. Well first off Stephano dont use mass queens like most Zergs. Queen buff dont matter for Stephano at all. He use roaches and have for a long time. Code S terran are different then normal terrans? have you actually watching Stephgano play the last month? Stephano eats code s terran for breakfast. Keen got no chance whatsoever with or without the queen buff | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On June 18 2012 11:04 ticklishmusic wrote: Keen is DRG's teammate though, and he beat Nestea pretty recently. Stephano vs Code S Terran is different from Stephano vs normal Terrans, though the queen buff might have made that a bit better. It really depends on which Keen shows up tomorrow - if he's in Commander Keen mode, he will roll Stephano. However, he looked pretty iffy today, even if it was against P. He crushed that Z whose name I can't even remember, but Stephano is the real deal... I'm excited to see what happens  | ||
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 18 2012 11:28 Psyclon wrote: I was wondering the same thing all day yesterday! i think 4-3 is a higher win percentage that 5-4 | ||
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Laplaces_imp
368 Posts
at any rate it means that there are alot of cool people in RO8 | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On June 18 2012 11:33 Benjamin99 wrote: Well first off Stephano dont use mass queens like most Zergs. Queen buff dont matter for Stephano at all. He use roaches and have for a long time. Code S terran are different then normal terrans? have you actually watching Stephgano play the last month? Stephano eats code s terran for breakfast. Keen got no chance whatsoever with or without the queen buff People always say this then he ends up not winning any tournaments. He's a great player and he can definitely contend with Code S players, but don't overhype him it really gets old. | ||
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