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NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
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Last Edited: 2012-06-17 02:19:00
June 16 2012 02:45 GMT
#1
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9 Week Regular Season
BO3s Loser's Pick (1 veto each)
Each Match has $150 on the line, winner takes all
Full Schedule

Map Pool
The Shattered Temple
Tal'Darim Altar
ESV Ohana
TPW Odyssey
Bel'Shir Beach Winter
Antiga Shipyard
Daybreak
Shakuras Plateau
Dual Sight

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Match 1
#8 CrunCher (1-6) vs #6 Alive (3-3)
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[image loading] (P)CrunCher < Antiga Shipyard > [image loading] (T)Alive
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[image loading] (P)CrunCher < Loser's Pick > [image loading] (T)Alive
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[image loading] (P)CrunCher < Antiga Shipyard > [image loading] (T)Alive
[image loading] (P)CrunCher < Daybreak > [image loading] (T)Alive

(P)CrunCher 0-2 (T)Alive


CatZ receives FF win over Thorzain.
Match 2
#9 Catz (1-6) vs #3 ThorZaIN (4-3)
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Match 3
#2 Ret (5-2) vs #3 SeleCT (4-3)
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(Z)Ret 2-0 (T)SeleCT


IdrA forfeit and Lowely receives 2-0 win.
Match 4
#5 LoWeLy (5-2) vs #7 IdrA (2-5)
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Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
June 16 2012 02:50 GMT
#2
aLive 2-0 Cruncher
ThorZaIN 2-0 CatZ
Ret 2-1 SeleCT (Fun Fact: Ret and SeleCT have been in the same division for every NASL season. In season 1 and 2 it was Ret beating SeleCT 2-1 so I am just gonna assume the same thing happens)
LoWeLy 2-1 IdrA
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
June 16 2012 02:51 GMT
#3
Alive 2-0 Cruncher,

ThorZaIN 2-1 CatZ

Select 2-1 Ret

IdrA 2-0 LoWeLy
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
June 16 2012 05:02 GMT
#4
Alive, Thorzain, Ret, Lowely.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 16 2012 22:03 GMT
#5
If Idra loses, he's out of NASL.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
ThorisHere FTW
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada82 Posts
June 16 2012 22:07 GMT
#6
Hm, If this was prepatch, I would've thought 2 - 0 for thorzain. After the patch though, anything can happen. Thorzain needs to win to grab a playoff shot.
I have less wheels than a unicycle
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
June 16 2012 23:16 GMT
#7
CrunCher 0 - 2 Alive
Catz 2 - 1 ThorZaIN
Ret 2 - 1 SeleCT
LoWeLy 2 - 0 IdrA

^ Not really basing those off anything, just wild stabs in the dark.


This is the most interesting group in that it's the only one where none of the seeds are decided yet and it all comes down to the last round of games, should be a good group of matches. Fingers crossed for no walk-overs or DQ's. Throwing all my support behind Lowley and Ret in this one.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-16 23:28:15
June 16 2012 23:19 GMT
#8
On June 17 2012 07:07 ThorisHere FTW wrote:
Hm, If this was prepatch, I would've thought 2 - 0 for thorzain. After the patch though, anything can happen. Thorzain needs to win to grab a playoff shot.


Actually he only needs a win to have a playoff spot for sure. At 4-4 he could still get one and it is likely he would, since at 4-4, +2 (at worst) he would be the best of the 4-4 people. Right now Cloud is the cutting point of the playoffs, so Tzain might already be in regardless. I'm gonna work out the math now.

Edit: Yeah, Thorzain and Nightend are both in the wildcard playoffs. Select, aLive and Polt COULD pass Thorzain (worst case), leaving him as the last seed to get into the playoffs.

Edit2: Shit, I hadn't updated Dimaga's score, one sec

Edit3: Ok, there is a wacky scenario where aLive and Polt pass Thorzain, Select and Nightend, leaving a threeway tie for the last spot. So they aren't guaranteed.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
SnowK
Profile Joined June 2011
United States245 Posts
June 16 2012 23:31 GMT
#9
Leave dem mics hot boys.
"Its like someone went 'What does protoss need.... I know, more ways to be an obnoxious cunt'" - Liquid`Jinro
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
June 16 2012 23:37 GMT
#10
So which 2 matches aren't happening?
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
June 16 2012 23:41 GMT
#11
On June 17 2012 08:37 BathTubNZ wrote:
So which 2 matches aren't happening?


Updated.
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
June 16 2012 23:43 GMT
#12
Ret is playing to tie with Demuslim for playoff seed. If Ret drops a map, he has to hope that MC loses 0-2 to tie for last seed, and Demuslim is automatically in. If Ret wins 2-0, forces a tie with Demuslim (and possibly MC if MC loses 1-2). If Ret loses, he gets playoff and not finals.
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
June 16 2012 23:44 GMT
#13
On June 17 2012 08:41 NASL.tv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 08:37 BathTubNZ wrote:
So which 2 matches aren't happening?


Updated.



Aaand Thorzain byes into playoffs, while IdrA drops out of NASL. Fun. Why forfeit IdrA?
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 17 2012 00:07 GMT
#14
This is one hell of a wacky game
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
June 17 2012 00:12 GMT
#15
Yeah thought Sc had that early.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
June 17 2012 00:17 GMT
#16
Please don't ever show SC games ever again until he decides to play properly at least once per series.
Every single time I've ever seen him play, as far as I remember, he has either cheesed, or tried to cheese (and then had to switch when it gets scouted).
He's such a horrible person to watch, it's ridiculous.

I understand you're wanting to cast the final rounds of the open brackets, but man, SC is just so horrible to watch games of. I don't understand how he's still around when all he does is cheese almost every single game he plays.
HOLY CHECK!
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 17 2012 00:20 GMT
#17
On June 17 2012 09:17 Lonyo wrote:
Please don't ever show SC games ever again until he decides to play properly at least once per series.
Every single time I've ever seen him play, as far as I remember, he has either cheesed, or tried to cheese (and then had to switch when it gets scouted).
He's such a horrible person to watch, it's ridiculous.

I understand you're wanting to cast the final rounds of the open brackets, but man, SC is just so horrible to watch games of. I don't understand how he's still around when all he does is cheese almost every single game he plays.


Lol this is the first time sC has been shown on an NASL broadcast...
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Dante_A_
Profile Joined September 2010
United States161 Posts
June 17 2012 00:27 GMT
#18
On June 17 2012 09:17 Lonyo wrote:
Please don't ever show SC games ever again until he decides to play properly at least once per series.
Every single time I've ever seen him play, as far as I remember, he has either cheesed, or tried to cheese (and then had to switch when it gets scouted).
He's such a horrible person to watch, it's ridiculous.

I understand you're wanting to cast the final rounds of the open brackets, but man, SC is just so horrible to watch games of. I don't understand how he's still around when all he does is cheese almost every single game he plays.


I've never understood people's strong aversion to cheesy games - I'd rather watch a cheese rush than a long cautious 4 base game that has only one big battle at the end. I wish they would be called "micro-intensive openers" instead of "cheese".
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 17 2012 00:30 GMT
#19
Masa is Canadian, is he not? Rotti keeps saying he's Korean.

Nightmares isn't a Korean team, I'm pretty sure.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
June 17 2012 00:33 GMT
#20
these guys are both playing pretty sloppy. masa has really bad engagements; forsen has bad creep spread and should have realized masa had a third base when he snuck the zergling in.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 17 2012 00:35 GMT
#21
wait, why was sc shown? o.O
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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 00:38:13
June 17 2012 00:37 GMT
#22
Haha I want to see Forsen more. Such rage.

Edit: This is the open tournament opterown: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/North_American_Star_League_Season_3/Open_Tournament
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
June 17 2012 00:42 GMT
#23
On June 17 2012 09:27 Dante_A_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 09:17 Lonyo wrote:
Please don't ever show SC games ever again until he decides to play properly at least once per series.
Every single time I've ever seen him play, as far as I remember, he has either cheesed, or tried to cheese (and then had to switch when it gets scouted).
He's such a horrible person to watch, it's ridiculous.

I understand you're wanting to cast the final rounds of the open brackets, but man, SC is just so horrible to watch games of. I don't understand how he's still around when all he does is cheese almost every single game he plays.


I've never understood people's strong aversion to cheesy games - I'd rather watch a cheese rush than a long cautious 4 base game that has only one big battle at the end. I wish they would be called "micro-intensive openers" instead of "cheese".

I don't have a problem with cheese.
Cheese is fine. A player who basically ONLY cheeses is not fine. Seriously, nearly every game he plays, he opens in a cheesy way if he can, be it proxy starport, double rax as in these games, or some other cheese. It's what he does all the time.
Someone who CAN cheese and does cheese sometimes is good.
SC is like Idra, but the opposite. For most of his early career, Idra never ever cheesed, which made him bad and boring, because he never mixed it up, and was predictable.
SC equally always cheeses, so he's also predictable and it's simply a bad way to play. You need to mix it up, not play the same way every single time you play.

On June 17 2012 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Lol this is the first time sC has been shown on an NASL broadcast...

I never said they have shown him before, but he has played before many times in various competitions, and always cheeses.
HOLY CHECK!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 17 2012 00:44 GMT
#24
So now Idra has forfeited out of the NASL...how the mighty have fallen
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
HeroMystic
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1217 Posts
June 17 2012 00:52 GMT
#25
Masa's getting supply blocked considerably.
compucomp
Profile Joined July 2011
United States98 Posts
June 17 2012 00:54 GMT
#26
Haha did Forsen learn his ways from IdrA?
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 17 2012 00:56 GMT
#27
Forsen is hilariously bm. It's a shame we can't see that for 9 weeks next season lol
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 00:56:50
June 17 2012 00:56 GMT
#28
Forsen a-moving infestors at the front of his army into a few fungaled marines.
And then complaining about lag.

Sorry mate, but lag doesn't cause you to have really crap army control, being bad at army control does. When Forsen plays even close to well, he can complain about his opponent, until then, he's just being a complete baby.
Maybe Masa didn't deserve to win, but Forsen deserved to win even less, so Masa should have won on balance anyway, and did.
HOLY CHECK!
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
June 17 2012 00:56 GMT
#29
lol forsen. Gets a moment of fame, BMs opponent hardcore. Way to go man, now we all think you are a joke!
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Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
June 17 2012 00:57 GMT
#30
On June 17 2012 09:56 Lonyo wrote:
Forsen a-moving infestors at the front of his army into a few fungaled marines.
And then complaining about lag.

Sorry mate, but lag doesn't cause you to have really crap army control, being bad at army control does. When Forsen plays even close to well, he can complain about his opponent, until then, he's just being a complete baby.
Maybe Masa didn't deserve to win, but Forsen deserved to win even less, so Masa should have won on balance anyway, and did.



Not to mention, you know, scouting.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 01:01:19
June 17 2012 01:00 GMT
#31
On June 17 2012 09:42 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 09:27 Dante_A_ wrote:
On June 17 2012 09:17 Lonyo wrote:
Please don't ever show SC games ever again until he decides to play properly at least once per series.
Every single time I've ever seen him play, as far as I remember, he has either cheesed, or tried to cheese (and then had to switch when it gets scouted).
He's such a horrible person to watch, it's ridiculous.

I understand you're wanting to cast the final rounds of the open brackets, but man, SC is just so horrible to watch games of. I don't understand how he's still around when all he does is cheese almost every single game he plays.


I've never understood people's strong aversion to cheesy games - I'd rather watch a cheese rush than a long cautious 4 base game that has only one big battle at the end. I wish they would be called "micro-intensive openers" instead of "cheese".

I don't have a problem with cheese.
Cheese is fine. A player who basically ONLY cheeses is not fine. Seriously, nearly every game he plays, he opens in a cheesy way if he can, be it proxy starport, double rax as in these games, or some other cheese. It's what he does all the time.
Someone who CAN cheese and does cheese sometimes is good.
SC is like Idra, but the opposite. For most of his early career, Idra never ever cheesed, which made him bad and boring, because he never mixed it up, and was predictable.
SC equally always cheeses, so he's also predictable and it's simply a bad way to play. You need to mix it up, not play the same way every single time you play.

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Lol this is the first time sC has been shown on an NASL broadcast...

I never said they have shown him before, but he has played before many times in various competitions, and always cheeses.


Hasn't sC spent the last year or so dealing with a collapsed lung? As someone who started playing in a time when lots of 2rax and early terran cheeses defined the game, he may not have spent much time learning macro builds while having lung surgery. It may be frustrating for you to watch, but give the guy a break, he's had horrible medical issues and is trying to make a living playing this game.
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
June 17 2012 01:00 GMT
#32
On June 17 2012 09:42 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 09:27 Dante_A_ wrote:
On June 17 2012 09:17 Lonyo wrote:
Please don't ever show SC games ever again until he decides to play properly at least once per series.
Every single time I've ever seen him play, as far as I remember, he has either cheesed, or tried to cheese (and then had to switch when it gets scouted).
He's such a horrible person to watch, it's ridiculous.

I understand you're wanting to cast the final rounds of the open brackets, but man, SC is just so horrible to watch games of. I don't understand how he's still around when all he does is cheese almost every single game he plays.


I've never understood people's strong aversion to cheesy games - I'd rather watch a cheese rush than a long cautious 4 base game that has only one big battle at the end. I wish they would be called "micro-intensive openers" instead of "cheese".

I don't have a problem with cheese.
Cheese is fine. A player who basically ONLY cheeses is not fine. Seriously, nearly every game he plays, he opens in a cheesy way if he can, be it proxy starport, double rax as in these games, or some other cheese. It's what he does all the time.
Someone who CAN cheese and does cheese sometimes is good.
SC is like Idra, but the opposite. For most of his early career, Idra never ever cheesed, which made him bad and boring, because he never mixed it up, and was predictable.
SC equally always cheeses, so he's also predictable and it's simply a bad way to play. You need to mix it up, not play the same way every single time you play.

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Lol this is the first time sC has been shown on an NASL broadcast...

I never said they have shown him before, but he has played before many times in various competitions, and always cheeses.


SC vs Nestea

That is all~
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compucomp
Profile Joined July 2011
United States98 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 01:08:05
June 17 2012 01:01 GMT
#33
Bitterdam just said Ret is playing for first place in the division, but Alicia is +7, 6-2 when Ret can be at best +7, 6-2, and Alicia beat Ret, how does Ret ever overtake Alicia?

Edit: Apparently Liquipedia has an error and Alicia is only +6. Or did NASL make an error?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 17 2012 01:04 GMT
#34
On June 17 2012 09:56 petered wrote:
lol forsen. Gets a moment of fame, BMs opponent hardcore. Way to go man, now we all think you are a joke!


First impressions, and he whiffed bigtime :|
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 01:09:38
June 17 2012 01:06 GMT
#35
On June 17 2012 10:01 compucomp wrote:
Bitterdam just said Ret is playing for first place in the division, but Alicia is +7, 6-2 when Ret can be at best +7, 6-2, and Alicia beat Ret, how does Ret ever overtake Alicia?

Edit: Apparently Liquipedia has an error and Alicia is only +6.


Yeah he can't, Alicia wins the group for sure.

Edit: I'm 90% sure Liquipedia is right. Just added up all the matches and what we have there is right based on that. And the nasl.tv site has nothing updated.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
compucomp
Profile Joined July 2011
United States98 Posts
June 17 2012 01:11 GMT
#36
On June 17 2012 10:06 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 10:01 compucomp wrote:
Bitterdam just said Ret is playing for first place in the division, but Alicia is +7, 6-2 when Ret can be at best +7, 6-2, and Alicia beat Ret, how does Ret ever overtake Alicia?

Edit: Apparently Liquipedia has an error and Alicia is only +6.


Yeah he can't, Alicia wins the group for sure.

Edit: I'm 90% sure Liquipedia is right. Just added up all the matches and what we have there is right based on that. And the nasl.tv site has nothing updated.


Well, NASL put up a graphic with the standings and had Alicia at +6. The discrepancy matters and should be resolved.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 17 2012 01:12 GMT
#37
On June 17 2012 10:11 compucomp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 10:06 Dexington wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:01 compucomp wrote:
Bitterdam just said Ret is playing for first place in the division, but Alicia is +7, 6-2 when Ret can be at best +7, 6-2, and Alicia beat Ret, how does Ret ever overtake Alicia?

Edit: Apparently Liquipedia has an error and Alicia is only +6.


Yeah he can't, Alicia wins the group for sure.

Edit: I'm 90% sure Liquipedia is right. Just added up all the matches and what we have there is right based on that. And the nasl.tv site has nothing updated.


Well, NASL put up a graphic with the standings and had Alicia at +6. The discrepancy matters and should be resolved.


I just looked at every live report thread for this division, Liquipedia is right.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 17 2012 01:17 GMT
#38
On June 17 2012 09:37 Dexington wrote:
Haha I want to see Forsen more. Such rage.

Edit: This is the open tournament opterown: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/North_American_Star_League_Season_3/Open_Tournament

ah right, cheers
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
June 17 2012 01:17 GMT
#39
On June 17 2012 10:12 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 10:11 compucomp wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:06 Dexington wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:01 compucomp wrote:
Bitterdam just said Ret is playing for first place in the division, but Alicia is +7, 6-2 when Ret can be at best +7, 6-2, and Alicia beat Ret, how does Ret ever overtake Alicia?

Edit: Apparently Liquipedia has an error and Alicia is only +6.


Yeah he can't, Alicia wins the group for sure.

Edit: I'm 90% sure Liquipedia is right. Just added up all the matches and what we have there is right based on that. And the nasl.tv site has nothing updated.


Well, NASL put up a graphic with the standings and had Alicia at +6. The discrepancy matters and should be resolved.


I just looked at every live report thread for this division, Liquipedia is right.


Alicia is in-fact +7. The standings were wrong in the graphic, should be fixed now.
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
June 17 2012 01:18 GMT
#40
Polt receives a walk over win from White Ra from NASLS3 on chat.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 01:31:21
June 17 2012 01:30 GMT
#41
I remember someone working for the GESL smack talking NASL about how his event was gonna destroy NASL. 2000 viewers there between two streams, 3500 watching Cruncher vs aLive XD

Edit: Their LoL stream is doing really well though.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 17 2012 01:33 GMT
#42
Hmm, 4 of the 5 groups were won by Slayers-EG players, and Demuslim came in 2nd in Group 2. Nice
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 17 2012 01:33 GMT
#43
On June 17 2012 10:00 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 09:42 Lonyo wrote:
On June 17 2012 09:27 Dante_A_ wrote:
On June 17 2012 09:17 Lonyo wrote:
Please don't ever show SC games ever again until he decides to play properly at least once per series.
Every single time I've ever seen him play, as far as I remember, he has either cheesed, or tried to cheese (and then had to switch when it gets scouted).
He's such a horrible person to watch, it's ridiculous.

I understand you're wanting to cast the final rounds of the open brackets, but man, SC is just so horrible to watch games of. I don't understand how he's still around when all he does is cheese almost every single game he plays.


I've never understood people's strong aversion to cheesy games - I'd rather watch a cheese rush than a long cautious 4 base game that has only one big battle at the end. I wish they would be called "micro-intensive openers" instead of "cheese".

I don't have a problem with cheese.
Cheese is fine. A player who basically ONLY cheeses is not fine. Seriously, nearly every game he plays, he opens in a cheesy way if he can, be it proxy starport, double rax as in these games, or some other cheese. It's what he does all the time.
Someone who CAN cheese and does cheese sometimes is good.
SC is like Idra, but the opposite. For most of his early career, Idra never ever cheesed, which made him bad and boring, because he never mixed it up, and was predictable.
SC equally always cheeses, so he's also predictable and it's simply a bad way to play. You need to mix it up, not play the same way every single time you play.

On June 17 2012 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Lol this is the first time sC has been shown on an NASL broadcast...

I never said they have shown him before, but he has played before many times in various competitions, and always cheeses.


Hasn't sC spent the last year or so dealing with a collapsed lung? As someone who started playing in a time when lots of 2rax and early terran cheeses defined the game, he may not have spent much time learning macro builds while having lung surgery. It may be frustrating for you to watch, but give the guy a break, he's had horrible medical issues and is trying to make a living playing this game.

Yes, but according to Trimaster, sC also spent most of his time playing League of Legends instead of Starcraft 2 until he fell out of Code A.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
June 17 2012 01:39 GMT
#44
On June 17 2012 10:33 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 10:00 Swords wrote:
On June 17 2012 09:42 Lonyo wrote:
On June 17 2012 09:27 Dante_A_ wrote:
On June 17 2012 09:17 Lonyo wrote:
Please don't ever show SC games ever again until he decides to play properly at least once per series.
Every single time I've ever seen him play, as far as I remember, he has either cheesed, or tried to cheese (and then had to switch when it gets scouted).
He's such a horrible person to watch, it's ridiculous.

I understand you're wanting to cast the final rounds of the open brackets, but man, SC is just so horrible to watch games of. I don't understand how he's still around when all he does is cheese almost every single game he plays.


I've never understood people's strong aversion to cheesy games - I'd rather watch a cheese rush than a long cautious 4 base game that has only one big battle at the end. I wish they would be called "micro-intensive openers" instead of "cheese".

I don't have a problem with cheese.
Cheese is fine. A player who basically ONLY cheeses is not fine. Seriously, nearly every game he plays, he opens in a cheesy way if he can, be it proxy starport, double rax as in these games, or some other cheese. It's what he does all the time.
Someone who CAN cheese and does cheese sometimes is good.
SC is like Idra, but the opposite. For most of his early career, Idra never ever cheesed, which made him bad and boring, because he never mixed it up, and was predictable.
SC equally always cheeses, so he's also predictable and it's simply a bad way to play. You need to mix it up, not play the same way every single time you play.

On June 17 2012 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Lol this is the first time sC has been shown on an NASL broadcast...

I never said they have shown him before, but he has played before many times in various competitions, and always cheeses.


Hasn't sC spent the last year or so dealing with a collapsed lung? As someone who started playing in a time when lots of 2rax and early terran cheeses defined the game, he may not have spent much time learning macro builds while having lung surgery. It may be frustrating for you to watch, but give the guy a break, he's had horrible medical issues and is trying to make a living playing this game.

Yes, but according to Trimaster, sC also spent most of his time playing League of Legends instead of Starcraft 2 until he fell out of Code A.


You don't need lungs to play LoL !

jkjk
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
June 17 2012 01:40 GMT
#45
^What's jkjk about that...it's true xD
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
June 17 2012 01:42 GMT
#46
On June 17 2012 10:40 StyLeD wrote:
^What's jkjk about that...it's true xD


Well, to be fair, you probably need lungs more to play LoL than SC2, since you need to communicate with your team and stuff
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
June 17 2012 01:43 GMT
#47
The front page says Catz receives the FF win, however the Liquipedia page suggests ThorZain took the win. Which is it?
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
June 17 2012 01:43 GMT
#48
So there will be 2-3 North Americans in the NASL next season at this rate.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 17 2012 01:46 GMT
#49
On June 17 2012 10:43 Greendotz wrote:
The front page says Catz receives the FF win, however the Liquipedia page suggests ThorZain took the win. Which is it?


I swear earlier it said Thorzain got the FF win. Clarification NASL?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
June 17 2012 01:47 GMT
#50
On June 17 2012 10:46 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 10:43 Greendotz wrote:
The front page says Catz receives the FF win, however the Liquipedia page suggests ThorZain took the win. Which is it?


I swear earlier it said Thorzain got the FF win. Clarification NASL?


The OP is correct. (Z)CatZ got the FF win over (T)ThorZaIN
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 02:05:04
June 17 2012 01:57 GMT
#51
Here's someone who read MVP.
Get 6 queens, can't die against anything terran do before 10min.

I don't understand Select build tho.
Getting stim, +1 bio, but then double armory ?

It's pretty funny how even 8 Blue flame hellion can't stop creep spread.
Sometimes Select scanned the same place 3 times and could not get all the tumors. :/
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 17 2012 01:58 GMT
#52
Poor Thorzain. Almost impossible for him to make wildcards now. Needs Select to lose 0-2 and Polt to lose, then plays a tiebreaker with Nightend and Select and possibly Polt
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 02:14:09
June 17 2012 02:12 GMT
#53
LOL Zerg is actually pretty bullshit. Terran needs a speed overlord nowadays to scout roach ling pushes (I would call it all-in, because it is as strong as an all-in, but being able to drone behind it...)

User was warned for this post
compucomp
Profile Joined July 2011
United States98 Posts
June 17 2012 02:18 GMT
#54
Seems like Ret is guaranteed at least a tiebreaker match with Demuslim for a spot in the finals.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 17 2012 02:21 GMT
#55
On June 17 2012 11:18 compucomp wrote:
Seems like Ret is guaranteed at least a tiebreaker match with Demuslim for a spot in the finals.


Indeed. If MC loses it could be a 3 way tie or just Demu and Ret in.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Instigata
Profile Joined April 2004
United States546 Posts
June 17 2012 02:21 GMT
#56
On June 17 2012 11:12 Falconblade wrote:
LOL Zerg is actually pretty bullshit. Terran needs a speed overlord nowadays to scout roach ling pushes (I would call it all-in, because it is as strong as an all-in, but being able to drone behind it...)


Terran wins everything. Every noob can split marines, drop, be the aggressor, and macro behind it. That's why you see so many godly foreign terrans. Ret had to spread creep, build workers, and be passive. This stlye is much more difficult and the reason why there are barely any good korean zergs and no good foreign zergs.
SC2 was doomed from the start.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 17 2012 02:21 GMT
#57
Great job by ret, especially in the slaughter that was the first game. Lol
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Weird
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States832 Posts
June 17 2012 02:22 GMT
#58
On June 17 2012 11:12 Falconblade wrote:
LOL Zerg is actually pretty bullshit. Terran needs a speed overlord nowadays to scout roach ling pushes (I would call it all-in, because it is as strong as an all-in, but being able to drone behind it...)

User was warned for this post


Almost as if they could use some sort of magical "base scan" ability that would be a good thing to put in a future patch perhaps...
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 17 2012 02:24 GMT
#59
On June 17 2012 11:21 Instigata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 11:12 Falconblade wrote:
LOL Zerg is actually pretty bullshit. Terran needs a speed overlord nowadays to scout roach ling pushes (I would call it all-in, because it is as strong as an all-in, but being able to drone behind it...)


Terran wins everything. Every noob can split marines, drop, be the aggressor, and macro behind it. That's why you see so many godly foreign terrans. Ret had to spread creep, build workers, and be passive. This stlye is much more difficult and the reason why there are barely any good korean zergs and no good foreign zergs.


wat?

Terran is by far the weakest foreign race.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 17 2012 02:25 GMT
#60
Ok wtf? The graphic now shows that Thorzain is 5-3, which would only be the case if Thorzain won the FF today.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
June 17 2012 02:26 GMT
#61
On June 17 2012 11:22 Weird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 11:12 Falconblade wrote:
LOL Zerg is actually pretty bullshit. Terran needs a speed overlord nowadays to scout roach ling pushes (I would call it all-in, because it is as strong as an all-in, but being able to drone behind it...)

User was warned for this post


Almost as if they could use some sort of magical "base scan" ability that would be a good thing to put in a future patch perhaps...


Because each scan is magical? What if the zerg hides the massing army? Or, if he's droning, you've given up a mule that would help you get caught up.
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
June 17 2012 02:28 GMT
#62
Cool, next Season 4 qualifier announced, lets hope it gets a bit more publicity than the last one.
obsidia
Profile Joined October 2010
122 Posts
June 17 2012 02:28 GMT
#63
sick play by Ret, and great casting by bitterdam
Weird
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States832 Posts
June 17 2012 02:29 GMT
#64
On June 17 2012 11:26 Falconblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 11:22 Weird wrote:
On June 17 2012 11:12 Falconblade wrote:
LOL Zerg is actually pretty bullshit. Terran needs a speed overlord nowadays to scout roach ling pushes (I would call it all-in, because it is as strong as an all-in, but being able to drone behind it...)

User was warned for this post


Almost as if they could use some sort of magical "base scan" ability that would be a good thing to put in a future patch perhaps...


Because each scan is magical? What if the zerg hides the massing army? Or, if he's droning, you've given up a mule that would help you get caught up.


Yeah it's a wonder that Terran can do anything but split their SCVs and then type "gg", you're right
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
June 17 2012 02:29 GMT
#65
great casting as always gentlemen.
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
June 17 2012 02:33 GMT
#66
Gratz Ret, that game of Antiga was just insane. It really is a shame about the walkovers this season. I mean there will always be walkovers what with the ridiculous amounts of potential clashes with weekend tournaments and occasional time zone mis-haps. However the vast amount of walkovers in the last week just makes it seem that there are certain players who just can't be bothered despite the potential reward of $150. I think conceiving a walkover should hold a penalty of -3 points rather than just -2 that they may of got if they'd played anyway.

On June 17 2012 11:25 Dexington wrote:
Ok wtf? The graphic now shows that Thorzain is 5-3, which would only be the case if Thorzain won the FF today.


Maybe they just look up liquipedia to update their scores
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 17 2012 02:39 GMT
#67
On June 17 2012 11:33 Greendotz wrote:
Gratz Ret, that game of Antiga was just insane. It really is a shame about the walkovers this season. I mean there will always be walkovers what with the ridiculous amounts of potential clashes with weekend tournaments and occasional time zone mis-haps. However the vast amount of walkovers in the last week just makes it seem that there are certain players who just can't be bothered despite the potential reward of $150. I think conceiving a walkover should hold a penalty of -3 points rather than just -2 that they may of got if they'd played anyway.

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 11:25 Dexington wrote:
Ok wtf? The graphic now shows that Thorzain is 5-3, which would only be the case if Thorzain won the FF today.


Maybe they just look up liquipedia to update their scores


Lol that's what I'm thinking too. So technically that means I'm working for free for them without knowing it
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
June 17 2012 02:45 GMT
#68
On June 17 2012 11:39 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 11:33 Greendotz wrote:
Gratz Ret, that game of Antiga was just insane. It really is a shame about the walkovers this season. I mean there will always be walkovers what with the ridiculous amounts of potential clashes with weekend tournaments and occasional time zone mis-haps. However the vast amount of walkovers in the last week just makes it seem that there are certain players who just can't be bothered despite the potential reward of $150. I think conceiving a walkover should hold a penalty of -3 points rather than just -2 that they may of got if they'd played anyway.

On June 17 2012 11:25 Dexington wrote:
Ok wtf? The graphic now shows that Thorzain is 5-3, which would only be the case if Thorzain won the FF today.


Maybe they just look up liquipedia to update their scores


Lol that's what I'm thinking too. So technically that means I'm working for free for them without knowing it


Haha, you should test that theory and just completely screw around with division 5's scores tomorrow and see how long it takes Gretorp to figure out how Jinro managed to advance to the finals.
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