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jnd
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Czech Republic915 Posts
July 01 2012 15:52 GMT
#1401
On July 02 2012 00:49 ibo422 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:47 Xkalibert wrote:
We need more RedEye to host more big European tournament, Dreamhack, IEM, and Assembley.

²

2GD and redeye are the best hosts I think.. they are so natural, all the others are awkward in some way!

Oh come on, Semmler isn't awkward. He's just... weird.
Team 8 BaBy will be the next Terran Bonjwa in HoTS | HSC V, the best tournament in 2012 | GD Studio #1 no fluff esports show
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
July 01 2012 15:52 GMT
#1402
Was happy to see Demuslim play Bio, its what I am trying on ladder. Does WCS release replays?
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
monkh
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 16:04:15
July 01 2012 15:53 GMT
#1403
On July 02 2012 00:44 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:41 monkh wrote:
johan lucchesi ‏
omg how can this country have same amount of spots as sweden.. unreal T_T


Naniwa just tweeted. I hope recco/zik gets opportunity to put him in his place

Sweden is clearly a much better country overall for SC2 so he has a point.


On July 02 2012 00:47 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:45 rasnj wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:41 monkh wrote:
johan lucchesi ‏@QuanticNaNi
omg how can this country have same amount of spots as sweden.. unreal T_T @wcs


Naniwa just tweeted. I hope recco/zik gets opportunity to put him in his place

TBH there is something to it. I feel the brits really surprised and are putting on a great display, but almost everyone predicted this to be bling + demu + random, while sweden has quite a heavy lineup in Naniwa, thorzain, jinro, morrow, lalush, haypro, cytoplasm, sjow, seiplo, merz, bischu, plus surprise randoms.

Did you not mention Sase? He is good enough to atleast be mentioned in my opinion.



Sweden has strong esports pressense unlike UK and all thos players you listed from Sweden all are known players on top teams.

WCS seems to be about bringing unknown talent to light I would say Sweden doesn't deserve extra spots because Sweden has dreamhacks, gather'ings and a lot of eyes looking at Swedish talent, that a lot of talent in other countries are getting missed
Daeden.620
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 01 2012 15:53 GMT
#1404
On July 02 2012 00:48 Mackus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:41 Savern101 wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:40 Mackus wrote:
Surprised no one's mentioned that WCS are using MLG's extended series rule for the final

I think DeMuslim can still take it though, all of Zikitomi's wins are mainly ZvZ's so hes untested atm.


Its not extended series. Its standard Loser bracket. Zikto hasn't lost a series yet. so Demu has to beat him in 2 bo3. Extended series involves continuing score from when players have already met in a tournament.


It's an extended series regardless, its a rule which has 2 different criteria for it to apply

In the Grand Final, an extended series occurs when the finalist coming from the losers' bracket wins the first best of three.
Quoted from MLG.

Actually its still slightly different.

If two players have never met before meet in the GF then
- If the player from the WB wins the first Bo3, he wins
- If the player from the LB wins the first Bo3, the score remains, and the series becomes a Bo7

In a standard double elim you have
- WB player wins first Bo3, he wins
- LB players wins first Bo3, brand new Bo3 begins
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
jnd
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Czech Republic915 Posts
July 01 2012 15:53 GMT
#1405
On July 02 2012 00:50 yeint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:48 Mackus wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:41 Savern101 wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:40 Mackus wrote:
Surprised no one's mentioned that WCS are using MLG's extended series rule for the final

I think DeMuslim can still take it though, all of Zikitomi's wins are mainly ZvZ's so hes untested atm.


Its not extended series. Its standard Loser bracket. Zikto hasn't lost a series yet. so Demu has to beat him in 2 bo3. Extended series involves continuing score from when players have already met in a tournament.


It's an extended series regardless, its a rule which has 2 different criteria for it to apply

In the Grand Final, an extended series occurs when the finalist coming from the losers' bracket wins the first best of three.
Quoted from MLG.


That's not what Extended Series means at the MLG. MLG's rule is that if the same players have played before, the score from the first set is kept.

Yep, this is simply double elimination tournament.
Team 8 BaBy will be the next Terran Bonjwa in HoTS | HSC V, the best tournament in 2012 | GD Studio #1 no fluff esports show
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
July 01 2012 15:53 GMT
#1406
All these give aways and I've won fuck all! Lol. Has been a pretty good event though..
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
July 01 2012 15:54 GMT
#1407
On July 02 2012 00:48 Mackus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:41 Savern101 wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:40 Mackus wrote:
Surprised no one's mentioned that WCS are using MLG's extended series rule for the final

I think DeMuslim can still take it though, all of Zikitomi's wins are mainly ZvZ's so hes untested atm.


Its not extended series. Its standard Loser bracket. Zikto hasn't lost a series yet. so Demu has to beat him in 2 bo3. Extended series involves continuing score from when players have already met in a tournament.


It's an extended series regardless, its a rule which has 2 different criteria for it to apply

In the Grand Final, an extended series occurs when the finalist coming from the losers' bracket wins the first best of three.
Quoted from MLG.

Stop talking about extended series if you dont know what it is.

And of course it is not going to be used here. Thats an MLG only idiocy, as everyone with common sense gets what a nonsense it is.
Off-season = best season
WerderBremen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany1070 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 16:03:27
July 01 2012 15:55 GMT
#1408
Track name pls !!!

EDIT:

got it :D

Mint Royale - Singing in the Rain (Remix)

"Thats the moment you send the kids outta the room - when you get contained by MarineKing." Tasteless
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
July 01 2012 15:56 GMT
#1409
Redeye is an awesome host, just feels like he belongs in that role and makes it look so effortless. Definately need to get this guy to more events.

Also 20k viewers I think shows that WCS can hold it's own, no need to make it sideshow at some other major event like at MLG.
Shewklad
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden482 Posts
July 01 2012 15:56 GMT
#1410
On July 02 2012 00:53 monkh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:44 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:41 monkh wrote:
johan lucchesi ‏
omg how can this country have same amount of spots as sweden.. unreal T_T


Naniwa just tweeted. I hope recco/zik gets opportunity to put him in his place

Sweden is clearly a much better country overall for SC2 so he has a point.


Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:47 Kevan wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:45 rasnj wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:41 monkh wrote:
johan lucchesi ‏@QuanticNaNi
omg how can this country have same amount of spots as sweden.. unreal T_T @wcs


Naniwa just tweeted. I hope recco/zik gets opportunity to put him in his place

TBH there is something to it. I feel the brits really surprised and are putting on a great display, but almost everyone predicted this to be bling + demu + random, while sweden has quite a heavy lineup in Naniwa, thorzain, jinro, morrow, lalush, haypro, cytoplasm, sjow, seiplo, merz, bischu, plus surprise randoms.

Did you not mention Sase? He is good enough to atleast be mentioned in my opinion.



Sweden has strong esports pressense unlike UK and all thos players you listed from Sweden all are known players on top teams.

WCS seems to be about bringing unknown talent to light I would say Sweden doesn't deserve spots because Sweden has dreamhacks, gather'ings and a lot of eyes looking at Swedish talent, that a lot of talent in other countries are getting missed




Wait what? Sweden doesn't deserve WCS spots because we host other tournaments, helping grow esports? You are so clever.
Bomber || Thorzain || Startale >< No gods, no masters.
Rhaegar_tar
Profile Joined February 2012
France847 Posts
July 01 2012 15:56 GMT
#1411
On July 02 2012 00:53 monkh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:44 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:41 monkh wrote:
johan lucchesi ‏
omg how can this country have same amount of spots as sweden.. unreal T_T


Naniwa just tweeted. I hope recco/zik gets opportunity to put him in his place

Sweden is clearly a much better country overall for SC2 so he has a point.


Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:47 Kevan wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:45 rasnj wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:41 monkh wrote:
johan lucchesi ‏@QuanticNaNi
omg how can this country have same amount of spots as sweden.. unreal T_T @wcs


Naniwa just tweeted. I hope recco/zik gets opportunity to put him in his place

TBH there is something to it. I feel the brits really surprised and are putting on a great display, but almost everyone predicted this to be bling + demu + random, while sweden has quite a heavy lineup in Naniwa, thorzain, jinro, morrow, lalush, haypro, cytoplasm, sjow, seiplo, merz, bischu, plus surprise randoms.

Did you not mention Sase? He is good enough to atleast be mentioned in my opinion.



Sweden has strong esports pressense unlike UK and all thos players you listed from Sweden all are known players on top teams.

WCS seems to be about bringing unknown talent to light I would say Sweden doesn't deserve spots because Sweden has dreamhacks, gather'ings and a lot of eyes looking at Swedish talent, that a lot of talent in other countries are getting missed

And tbh JRecco and Zikto are much better than half of the swedish people he listed
TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
July 01 2012 15:57 GMT
#1412
On July 02 2012 00:56 Rhaegar_tar wrote:

And tbh JRecco and Zikto are much better than half of the swedish people he listed


Artosis interview “I didn’t think the UK players were this good”

Amen.
Case Closed the Guru has spoken.
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
July 01 2012 15:58 GMT
#1413
On July 02 2012 00:57 TumNarDok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:56 Rhaegar_tar wrote:

And tbh JRecco and Zikto are much better than half of the swedish people he listed


Artosis interview “I didn’t think the UK players were this good”

Amen.
Case Closed the Guru has spoken.


So they turned out to be very good? Or are you saying that because Artosis thought poorly of them, they stack up less.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
July 01 2012 15:59 GMT
#1414
What is fun and what is less fun with the WCS casting has been that the tournaments have been less fantastic players. It shows off a lot of untapped talent and broadens the base of competetive play, but unfortunately it's rare that it's very exciting to watch or that we get to see something new and amazing.
sekalf
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden522 Posts
July 01 2012 15:59 GMT
#1415
The guy choosing the music deserves a medal or something.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 16:01:41
July 01 2012 16:00 GMT
#1416
Sweden is easily the strongest Euro SC2 nation that's not really in doubt.

But that's no reason to shit on another country. A korean could easily tweet at white people and laugh how any of us except stephano are given WCS slots at all for a tournament for the best. It's a world tournament, UK has ~ as many people as Sweden they're allowed to have their players represent.

WCS isn't about finding the best people anyway, it's about awesome events like this and energising each nation's individual local scene. For Australia so far it's been pretty fucking cool, and I'd imagine it's been great for all the other nations. The UK's one has looked, from what little I've watched, to be fucking amazing too.
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
July 01 2012 16:00 GMT
#1417
On July 02 2012 00:53 monkh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:44 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:41 monkh wrote:
johan lucchesi ‏
omg how can this country have same amount of spots as sweden.. unreal T_T


Naniwa just tweeted. I hope recco/zik gets opportunity to put him in his place

Sweden is clearly a much better country overall for SC2 so he has a point.


Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:47 Kevan wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:45 rasnj wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:41 monkh wrote:
johan lucchesi ‏@QuanticNaNi
omg how can this country have same amount of spots as sweden.. unreal T_T @wcs


Naniwa just tweeted. I hope recco/zik gets opportunity to put him in his place

TBH there is something to it. I feel the brits really surprised and are putting on a great display, but almost everyone predicted this to be bling + demu + random, while sweden has quite a heavy lineup in Naniwa, thorzain, jinro, morrow, lalush, haypro, cytoplasm, sjow, seiplo, merz, bischu, plus surprise randoms.

Did you not mention Sase? He is good enough to atleast be mentioned in my opinion.



Sweden has strong esports pressense unlike UK and all thos players you listed from Sweden all are known players on top teams.

WCS seems to be about bringing unknown talent to light I would say Sweden doesn't deserve spots because Sweden has dreamhacks, gather'ings and a lot of eyes looking at Swedish talent, that a lot of talent in other countries are getting missed



the Gathering is in Norway... also unknown players are unknown for a reason most of the time.... I can also tell you that Zikto isn't that good actually, he probably just handles the situation very well and doesn't have any issues playing live in front of many people. JRecco is a much better player overall compared to Ziktomini. Sweden also has rather unknown players who are really good, someone who comes to mind is SortOf. Its actually harder to get noticed as a swedish player because they have so many good players.
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
July 01 2012 16:01 GMT
#1418
On July 02 2012 00:56 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 00:53 monkh wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:44 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:41 monkh wrote:
johan lucchesi ‏
omg how can this country have same amount of spots as sweden.. unreal T_T


Naniwa just tweeted. I hope recco/zik gets opportunity to put him in his place

Sweden is clearly a much better country overall for SC2 so he has a point.


On July 02 2012 00:47 Kevan wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:45 rasnj wrote:
On July 02 2012 00:41 monkh wrote:
johan lucchesi ‏@QuanticNaNi
omg how can this country have same amount of spots as sweden.. unreal T_T @wcs


Naniwa just tweeted. I hope recco/zik gets opportunity to put him in his place

TBH there is something to it. I feel the brits really surprised and are putting on a great display, but almost everyone predicted this to be bling + demu + random, while sweden has quite a heavy lineup in Naniwa, thorzain, jinro, morrow, lalush, haypro, cytoplasm, sjow, seiplo, merz, bischu, plus surprise randoms.

Did you not mention Sase? He is good enough to atleast be mentioned in my opinion.



Sweden has strong esports pressense unlike UK and all thos players you listed from Sweden all are known players on top teams.

WCS seems to be about bringing unknown talent to light I would say Sweden doesn't deserve spots because Sweden has dreamhacks, gather'ings and a lot of eyes looking at Swedish talent, that a lot of talent in other countries are getting missed

And tbh JRecco and Zikto are much better than half of the swedish people he listed

I think that is questionable, but even if that was the case that would leave at least 6 swedish players better than 2 of the uk top 3. I think the UK is delivering, and there are other nations with much more questionable talent, but if it was based on merit the UK should not get as many spots as Sweden.
eltese
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden369 Posts
July 01 2012 16:01 GMT
#1419
Why does it have to be a contest between what country has the best players? I enjoy this tournament and I will enjoy the Swedish tournament.

If people feel like the swedes has more talent, well should they not welcome weaker competition? I like this WCG styled event where everybody has a shot to get in and be a big name. Just because they are not famous does not mean they don't have talent. I think the only difference is that Sweden has alot more established players but if we are gonna look at only that kind of logic South Korea should have somewhere between 20 - 400 spots (obviously exaggerating).

Either way, enjoy the games and be happy we get to see some (to me atleast) unknown players play some entertaining starcraft 2
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
July 01 2012 16:01 GMT
#1420
On July 02 2012 00:59 sekalf wrote:
The guy choosing the music deserves a medal or something.


Thank god music taste is completely subjective.
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