Semis, Finals Broadcast will begin at 20:30 GMT (+00:00)
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General Registration Requirements 1. You must have access to a North American Battle.net StarCraft 2 account. 2. You must have chosen to participate in the EU/NA Qualifiers to the exclusion of the KR Qualifiers. 3. You cannot be a national and resident of Korea. 4. You must be be registered and logged into your TL account to register and play. 5. Fill in your account details in your TL profile. Make sure they are correct for the server (EU or NA).
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Anyone know the referees yet? I had a name change after i registered No clue how to change my info in the qualifier to opponents can contact me. Not sure what to do :S
EDIT: hmmm nvm apparently I can change it in my profile ^^
On June 14 2012 00:27 Fusilero wrote: Noticed that paranoid signed up with the templars of twilight tag, a minor thing that's probably an accident but I found that cool.
no, i got countered at my third because i had a whole in my wallin, and lost the banshees at the begining, i had a weaker economy because he played greedy and killed a bunch of scvs, so my push got owned..
On June 14 2012 00:56 McFeser wrote: It took me a while to find the Korean Flag, but congratulations to Chaggi for qualifying for the #2 spot in the TSL4!
Dragon and TypeReal are also Koreans but they are showing French and German flags, so don´t count them out as the winners. ^^
On June 14 2012 00:56 McFeser wrote: It took me a while to find the Korean Flag, but congratulations to Chaggi for qualifying for the #2 spot in the TSL4!
Dragon and TypeReal are also Koreans but they are showing French and German flags, so don´t count them out as the winners. ^^
I'm surprised by how radically different the country breakdown is for Qualifier 2 vs Qualifier 1. Yes, this one is on the NA server instead of EU, but I would think that in the quest to achieve the most qualifying points that you would attempt to play all 10 qualifiers. I know a lot of the excess yesterday and today are average folks just having fun playing in the same tourney as the pros, but it still seems surprising on the surface. I guess I'd have to really break down which pros weren't playing yesterday that are today and vice-versa to get a better sense.
On June 14 2012 01:07 Firenza wrote: but I would think that in the quest to achieve the most qualifying points that you would attempt to play all 10 qualifiers.
These tourneys do take a lot of time though, esp if your next opponent has an hour long TvT or something, time they could be practising, doing other tourneys with a better chance of money (playhems etc?)
On June 14 2012 00:56 McFeser wrote: It took me a while to find the Korean Flag, but congratulations to Chaggi for qualifying for the #2 spot in the TSL4!
Dragon and TypeReal are also Koreans but they are showing French and German flags, so don´t count them out as the winners. ^^
Also, Chaggi just lost XD
Hmmm, I wonder if they are going to have to add another spot in the Korean Qualifiers to compensate for this.
After some extensive bracket analysis I would say the following:
Sheth should be able to quite easily get to ro16 Nerchio should be able to quite easily get to ro16 Nony should be able to get to ro32 but it will not be easy Catz should be able to get to ro8 Grubby should be able to get to ro16 Lalush should be able to get to ro8
On June 14 2012 01:32 Fusilero wrote: Nony will have morrow after major barring shenanigans from the unknowns
Nony beating Major would be a huge upset imho..
Honestly it comes across as a battle of the wildcards to me, neither really seem to have accomplished much and have been quiet for a while bar a quick appearance at USA WCS for nony while major has been quiet this year so I can't really judge it. Nony beating major would be a pretty big upset though if I go off them last year.
On June 14 2012 01:47 arew wrote: I'd say this qualifier is by far more interesting than the first one. At least for me. A lot of upsets and interesting matches.
Oh dammit. Didn't expect Sheth to be out so soon either. Looks like the "pro" players are just not that much better than rest yet, or maybe non-pros have a relatively high level.
OK, I'm partly joking and also I know it's bo1 but still.. in my ideal world a casual "good" player should have extremely slim chances (practically none) against a pro even in bo1. Maybe we'll get to that "Chess" level eventually.
Is it just me or is the topside of the bracket harder? For instance Nony has to beat Major, then go on to face Morrow, and then likely face Elfi. After that you are facing Nerchio/Sase and the one good Korean in the Tournament (Real).
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On June 14 2012 01:50 Swatch wrote: Nony lost
That's not surprising. Sad . . . But that bracket is still really hard.
On June 14 2012 01:50 Kilby wrote: Oh dammit. Didn't expect Sheth to be out so soon either. Looks like the "pro" players are just not that much better than rest yet, or maybe non-pros have a relatively high level.
OK, I'm partly joking and also I know it's bo1 but still.. in my ideal world a casual "good" player should have extremely slim chances (practically none) against a pro even in bo1. Maybe we'll get to that "Chess" level eventually.
If you are true than Pro Players should have 90%+ win rates and they don't. If u actually count the rounds they won it would be something like 70% win rate. So it's standard for some of them to lose before RO32. After RO32 though the upsets are lower.
On June 14 2012 01:47 arew wrote: I'd say this qualifier is by far more interesting than the first one. At least for me. A lot of upsets and interesting matches.
Why aren't you playing in it ?
I just lost to LgNTheory, don't like to play PvP on Daybreak, forces me to canon rush.. :D
On June 14 2012 02:20 McFeser wrote: Is Catz playing really well or has his opponents been lackluster? I don't recognize any of them.
Well glon did all kill light in one of vvv's clan wars so he's not that bad.
also i saw glon doing pretty fucking good at MLG...definitely an up-and-coming NA player.
regardless of avc's infographic i think this MLG showed that there are lots of americans improving rapidly at the moment, just like where EU was last year. (feels sad to admit we're that far behind but we are catching up).
and yata 2-1'd ToD!
of course most 'na' player are asians but thats always how it is, in math olympiads/science olympiads for US as well asian-american pride motherfucker.
On June 14 2012 02:35 nath wrote: also i saw glon doing pretty fucking good at MLG...definitely an up-and-coming NA player.
regardless of avc's infographic i think this MLG showed that there are lots of americans improving rapidly at the moment, just like where EU was last year. (feels sad to admit we're that far behind but we are catching up).
and yata 2-1'd ToD!
of course most 'na' player are asians but thats always how it is, in math olympiads/science olympiads for US as well asian-american pride motherfucker.
I think that quite some of the US players did practice a lot on the road to anaheim and it clearly shows at this time.
TSL3 Qualifiers had a ton of casters before the Semi's and yesterday as well as today there is just one. Plus the official TL cast was always two well-known casters like chill, husky etc... yesterday we had ascend(?)... what happened? Too many others tournaments right now?
On June 14 2012 02:39 MBH wrote: TSL3 Qualifiers had a ton of casters before the Semi's and yesterday as well as today there is just one. Plus the official TL cast was always two well-known casters like chill, husky etc... yesterday we had ascend(?)... what happened? Too many others tournaments right now?
I know. If I was up and coming caster this seems like it would be a golden opportunity to cast. As for the more famous casters - they should make time for this. This was the premier foreign event before MLG took off and still is.
I like dragon but I'm always happy when a player from a country without many or any notable SC2 players has any success it's one of the reasons I root for lowely when I see him play.
On June 14 2012 02:39 MBH wrote: TSL3 Qualifiers had a ton of casters before the Semi's and yesterday as well as today there is just one. Plus the official TL cast was always two well-known casters like chill, husky etc... yesterday we had ascend(?)... what happened? Too many others tournaments right now?
I know. If I was up and coming caster this seems like it would be a golden opportunity to cast. As for the more famous casters - they should make time for this. This was the premier foreign event before MLG took off and still is.
actually u guys are messing things up. This is the qualifiers, not the TSL. The qualifiers never had the greatest casters in the world. Just some of them had the official tsl casters but not all of them.
On June 14 2012 02:39 MBH wrote: TSL3 Qualifiers had a ton of casters before the Semi's and yesterday as well as today there is just one. Plus the official TL cast was always two well-known casters like chill, husky etc... yesterday we had ascend(?)... what happened? Too many others tournaments right now?
I know. If I was up and coming caster this seems like it would be a golden opportunity to cast. As for the more famous casters - they should make time for this. This was the premier foreign event before MLG took off and still is.
actually u guys are messing things up. This is the qualifiers, not the TSL. The qualifiers never had the greatest casters in the world. Just some of them had the official tsl casters but not all of them.
There were always a few community casters though, like i remember some caster would pick a player and follow their path through the tournament.
On June 14 2012 02:39 MBH wrote: TSL3 Qualifiers had a ton of casters before the Semi's and yesterday as well as today there is just one. Plus the official TL cast was always two well-known casters like chill, husky etc... yesterday we had ascend(?)... what happened? Too many others tournaments right now?
I know. If I was up and coming caster this seems like it would be a golden opportunity to cast. As for the more famous casters - they should make time for this. This was the premier foreign event before MLG took off and still is.
actually u guys are messing things up. This is the qualifiers, not the TSL. The qualifiers never had the greatest casters in the world. Just some of them had the official tsl casters but not all of them.
They have VODs of the finals/semis of every qualifier and they all have Chill + one of Wheat/Day/Artosis casting.
On June 14 2012 02:39 MBH wrote: TSL3 Qualifiers had a ton of casters before the Semi's and yesterday as well as today there is just one. Plus the official TL cast was always two well-known casters like chill, husky etc... yesterday we had ascend(?)... what happened? Too many others tournaments right now?
I know. If I was up and coming caster this seems like it would be a golden opportunity to cast. As for the more famous casters - they should make time for this. This was the premier foreign event before MLG took off and still is.
actually u guys are messing things up. This is the qualifiers, not the TSL. The qualifiers never had the greatest casters in the world. Just some of them had the official tsl casters but not all of them.
They have VODs of the finals/semis of every qualifier and they all have Chill + one of Wheat/Day/Artosis casting.
When I first got in SC2 I went through and watched every single one. I had no idea what they we're qualifying for or who they were - I just thought it was an extension of Day9tv/Husky etc. Was pretty cool.
I bet (and hope) they will get better casters as time goes along.
I really hope TL will try to grab some more casters for the next ones, it's quite dissappointing how impossible it is to actually see the games as opposed to TSL 3 where I was constantly stream jumping around to see which game was where.
Why do all terrans these days lead with all of their cloaked ghosts at once and get them all killed without doing anything? Would you move 9 HT's up in front of your army?
On June 14 2012 03:12 The KY wrote: Why do all terrans these days lead with all of their cloaked ghosts at once and get them all killed without doing anything? Would you move 9 HT's up in front of your army?
Because Terran players like to beat themselves more than they like their opponents doing it.
Inside the Terran mind: Does the protoss have an observer, that mind you I can't see, over his army or not? Well if he does I win. CHARRRRGGGEEE..... Oh... they do....****
On June 14 2012 03:12 The KY wrote: Why do all terrans these days lead with all of their cloaked ghosts at once and get them all killed without doing anything? Would you move 9 HT's up in front of your army?
Maybe trimaster thought there was no observer over the army? He did scan just before he moved the ghosts forward.
On June 14 2012 03:12 The KY wrote: Why do all terrans these days lead with all of their cloaked ghosts at once and get them all killed without doing anything? Would you move 9 HT's up in front of your army?
Getting your army emp'd is fine if you have 9 HT's with storm in the back.
Getting your army stormed is not fine if you have 9 ghosts with EMP in the back.
But Terrans should certainly be a bit more careful with their ghosts =p
On June 14 2012 03:12 The KY wrote: Why do all terrans these days lead with all of their cloaked ghosts at once and get them all killed without doing anything? Would you move 9 HT's up in front of your army?
Because Terran players like to beat themselves more than they like their opponents doing it.
Inside the Terran mind: Does the protoss have an observer, that mind you I can't see, over his army or not? Well if he does I win. CHARRRRGGGEEE..... Oh... they do....****
On June 14 2012 03:12 The KY wrote: Why do all terrans these days lead with all of their cloaked ghosts at once and get them all killed without doing anything? Would you move 9 HT's up in front of your army?
Because Terran players like to beat themselves more than they like their opponents doing it.
Inside the Terran mind: Does the protoss have an observer, that mind you I can't see, over his army or not? Well if he does I win. CHARRRRGGGEEE..... Oh... they do....****
yeh ok :S
The last part was a joke yes but the first part must be true. Its like back when muta was the meta game favorite in ZvT yet terrans continually tried dropping zergs, barely working and causing their army to shrink and separate. There's no explanation to this other than terrans enjoy defeating themselves.
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Ciara, the one who lost to 3 gate pressure and MC didn't lose a single unit I believe.
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Wanna talk about unexpected who won yesterday? daisy?
Mycerion won a local Estonian tournament Estcraft sometime last year. Was pretty much a stranger here too. Maybe people have learned something about him meanwhile.
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Wanna talk about unexpected who won yesterday? daisy?
When a player has a korean flag it negates the possibility of unexpectedly beating foreigners.
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
The most surprising guy for me was that guy Zeerax or whatever that got dominated by Mondragon's roaches
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Wanna talk about unexpected who won yesterday? daisy?
Yup Daisy took out Fenix, Lowely and Lalush to win the first quali
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
The most surprising guy for me was that guy Zeerax or whatever that got dominated by Mondragon's roaches
Yes, you are probably objectively right on that one. Cruncher WINNING was also pretty shocking with quite innovative play at that. I know some NA ppl said it wasnt too surprising but at least EU scene had no idea who he was at the time.
On June 14 2012 03:35 AxionSteel wrote: MorroW just made a hatchery in Elfis natural...........
Yea it was the flavor of the week a few months back. Big game example of it was at dreamhack when lucky did it vs mana on Antigua. Morrow didnt manage to get the queen out, but if you do you drop a creep tumor out of range of the cannon and it super delays protoss natural
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
The most surprising guy for me was that guy Zeerax or whatever that got dominated by Mondragon's roaches
Yes, you are probably objectively right on that one. Cruncher WINNING was also pretty shocking with quite innovative play at that. I know some NA ppl said it wasnt too surprising but at least EU scene had no idea who he was at the time.
It was pretty surprising for IdrA. Also, wasn't Ciara the guy who didn't GG against MC?
On June 14 2012 03:35 AxionSteel wrote: MorroW just made a hatchery in Elfis natural...........
Yea it was the flavor of the week a few months back. Big game example of it was at dreamhack when lucky did it vs mana on Antigua. Morrow didnt manage to get the queen out, but if you do you drop a creep tumor out of range of the cannon and it super delays protoss natural
I'm pretty sure that by know, every protoss knows exactly what they need to do to kill the hatch before a queen finishes.
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
The most surprising guy for me was that guy Zeerax or whatever that got dominated by Mondragon's roaches
Yes, you are probably objectively right on that one. Cruncher WINNING was also pretty shocking with quite innovative play at that. I know some NA ppl said it wasnt too surprising but at least EU scene had no idea who he was at the time.
It was pretty surprising for IdrA. Also, wasn't Ciara the guy who didn't GG against MC?
correct. MC killed him with 3 gate pressure and the guy rage quit
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
The most surprising guy for me was that guy Zeerax or whatever that got dominated by Mondragon's roaches
Yes, you are probably objectively right on that one. Cruncher WINNING was also pretty shocking with quite innovative play at that. I know some NA ppl said it wasnt too surprising but at least EU scene had no idea who he was at the time.
It was pretty surprising for IdrA. Also, wasn't Ciara the guy who didn't GG against MC?
correct. MC killed him with 3 gate pressure and the guy rage quit
Ciara making it through was expected? I'm a north american nub but still, had Ciara done anything of significance before or since TSL3? Maybe you just be trolling?
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
The most surprising guy for me was that guy Zeerax or whatever that got dominated by Mondragon's roaches
Yes, you are probably objectively right on that one. Cruncher WINNING was also pretty shocking with quite innovative play at that. I know some NA ppl said it wasnt too surprising but at least EU scene had no idea who he was at the time.
It was pretty surprising for IdrA. Also, wasn't Ciara the guy who didn't GG against MC?
correct. MC killed him with 3 gate pressure and the guy rage quit
MC killed him 3 gate pressure while expand and didnt lose a single unit.
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
The most surprising guy for me was that guy Zeerax or whatever that got dominated by Mondragon's roaches
Yes, you are probably objectively right on that one. Cruncher WINNING was also pretty shocking with quite innovative play at that. I know some NA ppl said it wasnt too surprising but at least EU scene had no idea who he was at the time.
It was pretty surprising for IdrA. Also, wasn't Ciara the guy who didn't GG against MC?
correct. MC killed him with 3 gate pressure and the guy rage quit
Ciara making it through was expected? I'm a north american nub but still, had Ciara done anything of significance before or since TSL3? Maybe you just be trolling?
I don't think it was expected as people like SeleCT amongst others missed out on points, but he was a pretty good player back then. He was way better at rage quitting and flaming though
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
The most surprising guy for me was that guy Zeerax or whatever that got dominated by Mondragon's roaches
Yes, you are probably objectively right on that one. Cruncher WINNING was also pretty shocking with quite innovative play at that. I know some NA ppl said it wasnt too surprising but at least EU scene had no idea who he was at the time.
It was pretty surprising for IdrA. Also, wasn't Ciara the guy who didn't GG against MC?
correct. MC killed him with 3 gate pressure and the guy rage quit
Ciara making it through was expected? I'm a north american nub but still, had Ciara done anything of significance before or since TSL3? Maybe you just be trolling?
No, at the time Ciara was pretty well known if you followed the American dailies. The competition was a little higher in the TLOpens, but given his consistent finals appearances in the dailies, a qualification through these kinds of tournaments was not entirely surprising.
On June 14 2012 03:40 stardog wrote: It has been long time since I seen Morrow vs Nerchio match, it'll be really cool if they play.
Not sure if the tale is true, but I've heard that Nerchio is the reason why MorroW gave up playing ZvZ.
I don't think it's ever been confirmed, but it certainly looked like that. MorroW couldn't touch Nerchio in zvz, lost too him in several small tournaments. iirc in one duel he changed race and it stayed that way.
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
The most surprising guy for me was that guy Zeerax or whatever that got dominated by Mondragon's roaches
Yes, you are probably objectively right on that one. Cruncher WINNING was also pretty shocking with quite innovative play at that. I know some NA ppl said it wasnt too surprising but at least EU scene had no idea who he was at the time.
It was pretty surprising for IdrA. Also, wasn't Ciara the guy who didn't GG against MC?
correct. MC killed him with 3 gate pressure and the guy rage quit
MC killed him 3 gate pressure while expand and didnt lose a single unit.
Did Ciara even make units? I'm pretty sure he basically had nothing but drones.
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
The most surprising guy for me was that guy Zeerax or whatever that got dominated by Mondragon's roaches
Yes, you are probably objectively right on that one. Cruncher WINNING was also pretty shocking with quite innovative play at that. I know some NA ppl said it wasnt too surprising but at least EU scene had no idea who he was at the time.
It was pretty surprising for IdrA. Also, wasn't Ciara the guy who didn't GG against MC?
correct. MC killed him with 3 gate pressure and the guy rage quit
Ciara making it through was expected? I'm a north american nub but still, had Ciara done anything of significance before or since TSL3? Maybe you just be trolling?
Ciara made it through on points sharing second place with morrow which in one was is more indicative of skill because of consistency. If you remember the games from his TLO #8 run it was really clear that he was one of the better players at the time(long time). Also he was one of the stronger players at EU ladder at the time.
From TL Open 8 vs Moonglade 2-1 Tarson 2-0 White-ra 2-0 Thorzain 2-1 Kas 1-3
Why does everybody have to be "trolling" all the time the second someone finds a seemingly controversial statement.
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
The most surprising guy for me was that guy Zeerax or whatever that got dominated by Mondragon's roaches
Yes, you are probably objectively right on that one. Cruncher WINNING was also pretty shocking with quite innovative play at that. I know some NA ppl said it wasnt too surprising but at least EU scene had no idea who he was at the time.
It was pretty surprising for IdrA. Also, wasn't Ciara the guy who didn't GG against MC?
correct. MC killed him with 3 gate pressure and the guy rage quit
MC killed him 3 gate pressure while expand and didnt lose a single unit.
Did Ciara even make units? I'm pretty sure he basically had nothing but drones.
I just watched the game. He made quite a few zerglings (20ish in total), targeted MC's stalkers with them while MC microed them in a way that the stalkers ran circles around the zealots while the zealots killed the zerglings. Then he just smashed him. The game was 7 minutes 36 seconds, MC did not expand and he did lose one Zealot and one probe.
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
The most surprising guy for me was that guy Zeerax or whatever that got dominated by Mondragon's roaches
Yes, you are probably objectively right on that one. Cruncher WINNING was also pretty shocking with quite innovative play at that. I know some NA ppl said it wasnt too surprising but at least EU scene had no idea who he was at the time.
It was pretty surprising for IdrA. Also, wasn't Ciara the guy who didn't GG against MC?
correct. MC killed him with 3 gate pressure and the guy rage quit
Ciara making it through was expected? I'm a north american nub but still, had Ciara done anything of significance before or since TSL3? Maybe you just be trolling?
Ciara made it through on points sharing second place with morrow which in one was is more indicative of skill because of consistency. If you remember the games from his TLO #8 run it was really clear that he was one of the better players at the time(long time). Also he was one of the stronger players at EU ladder at the time.
From TL Open 8 vs Moonglade 2-1 Tarson 2-0 White-ra 2-0 Thorzain 2-1 Kas 1-3
Why does everybody have to be "trolling" all the time the second someone finds a seemingly controversial statement.
Thank you for the info. I had forgotten about those results. Still, of them White-Ra is the only protoss that you listed.
As for your question, controversial statements are the bread and butter of trolling, and if I recall, MC had just murdered July in the Code S finals not too long before the TSL game in question and was looking at the top of his game. A smashing of a european zerg was indeed expected by many.
On June 14 2012 03:57 Warpish wrote: Je can have JonnyREcco vs Mycerion in one of the semifinals. I know that Mycerion already won TL's heart, but Jonny is also performing very well.
On June 14 2012 03:57 Warpish wrote: Je can have JonnyREcco vs Mycerion in one of the semifinals. I know that Mycerion already won TL's heart, but Jonny is also performing very well.
It's gonna be quarters, not semis.
You´re right. i meant one of them as a semifinalist.
Can we get a stream to their game? I really want to see fellow estonian there Didn't see a single game of him yesterday and today we only saw dragon's last game and catz games. About his history, he is ex wc3 player.
great game, but I can't help but have a sour taste in my mouth when elfi lost due to a pretty bronze level mistake... can't believe he let his last structure get killed when he still had enough resources for like, 2 more assimilators and 2 more pylons.
On June 14 2012 02:50 seph` wrote: dragon 1-2 mycerion, oh no
This is one of the things I love about TSL. There's always at least one totally unexpected hero that makes his way through. Remember that Danish guy who had the misfortune of getting paired against MC in TSL3?
Except ciara making it through was like the most expected thing ever. Getting totaly and utterly dominated by MC was not though i agree with that.
The most surprising guy for me was that guy Zeerax or whatever that got dominated by Mondragon's roaches
Yes, you are probably objectively right on that one. Cruncher WINNING was also pretty shocking with quite innovative play at that. I know some NA ppl said it wasnt too surprising but at least EU scene had no idea who he was at the time.
It was pretty surprising for IdrA. Also, wasn't Ciara the guy who didn't GG against MC?
correct. MC killed him with 3 gate pressure and the guy rage quit
Ciara making it through was expected? I'm a north american nub but still, had Ciara done anything of significance before or since TSL3? Maybe you just be trolling?
Ciara made it through on points sharing second place with morrow which in one was is more indicative of skill because of consistency. If you remember the games from his TLO #8 run it was really clear that he was one of the better players at the time(long time). Also he was one of the stronger players at EU ladder at the time.
From TL Open 8 vs Moonglade 2-1 Tarson 2-0 White-ra 2-0 Thorzain 2-1 Kas 1-3
Why does everybody have to be "trolling" all the time the second someone finds a seemingly controversial statement.
Thank you for the info. I had forgotten about those results. Still, of them White-Ra is the only protoss that you listed.
As for your question, controversial statements are the bread and butter of trolling, and if I recall, MC had just murdered July in the Code S finals not too long before the TSL game in question and was looking at the top of his game. A smashing of a european zerg was indeed expected by many.
I dont think anyone could argue that Ciara was favoured against MC all I said was that him qualifying for TSL3 wasnt by any means an upset.
I'm loving tracking these qualifiers. Something about the qualification process generates so much hype when so many of your favorite players are competing against a lot of people trying to break through, this is what competition is all about!
On June 14 2012 04:12 LittLeD wrote: I like this caster. Really positive guy, and perfectly fine to listen to. Keep it up.
Something i recently picked up on watching Tobi stream dota2. Being positive is such an underestimated trait in sc2 casters where everyone goes "thats actually terrible", "I have no idea what hes doing". Its really tedious and draining to listen to. Im very appericiative when people instead try to explain what the players might have been thinking or why theyre doing what theyre doing.
Best thing he is there for us. I mean come on - good players, classic tourney, potential audience big and no other casters yet. Is it because magical noun "qualifier"?
Which NA players do people actually think will qualify? Illusion, Sheth and Idra if he really tries? I could see it going to all europeans, which would be weird, and while not unfair, would hurt TSL4 in terms of hype.
So do the affirmative action types who want to ban/limit Koreans in foreign tournament also want to ban/limit Europeans and reserve spots for NA players?
On June 14 2012 04:36 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: So do the affirmative action types who want to ban/limit Koreans in foreign tournament also want to ban/limit Europeans and reserve spots for NA players?
I don't know, but if we could ban your incessant whining from our forum, the air would be much more purer.
On June 14 2012 04:22 TumNarDok wrote: Bracket updated.. we can move to EU server now except for Beastyqt ><
where is beasty? in korea?
USA.
ah, thanks, didn't know.
i think it's time to face the fact that currently, American players are continously falling more and more behind the rest of the scene, kind of like they did in wc3 as the game got older. i don't really know why this is the case, but it seems quite apparent right now.
there are not a lot of american players that i think have a decent chance of qualifying anymore.
On June 14 2012 04:22 TumNarDok wrote: Bracket updated.. we can move to EU server now except for Beastyqt ><
where is beasty? in korea?
USA.
ah, thanks, didn't know.
i think it's time to face the fact that currently, American players are continously falling more and more behind the rest of the scene, kind of like they did in wc3 as the game got older. i don't really know why this is the case, but it seems quite apparent right now.
there are not a lot of american players that i think have a decent chance of qualifying anymore.
i think they just have a smaller playerpool which wants to play the game competitively ------> worse e-sport environment
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
Please Teamliquid.net start the official cast on time today. I'm sick plus I have an early morning tomorrow and it's already 11pm here so please show mercy!
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
Ret was eliminated early today.
Are you sure? He's not listed in notable participants. Also only Taeja is listed for the first Korean one
You guys are talking like the NA players were destroyed. Every match in the ro16 (between an NA and an EU player) except Bischu vs Weagree was 2-1. They were relatively close series.
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
Ret was eliminated early today.
Are you sure? He's not listed in notable participants. Also only Taeja is listed for the first Korean one
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
Ret was eliminated early today.
Are you sure? He's not listed in notable participants. Also only Taeja is listed for the first Korean one
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
Ret was eliminated early today.
Are you sure? He's not listed in notable participants. Also only Taeja is listed for the first Korean one
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
Ret was eliminated early today.
Are you sure? He's not listed in notable participants. Also only Taeja is listed for the first Korean one
I was doing the notable participants thing on Liquipedia earlier in the week and stopped once it got over 512 participants. Then some people dropped out and more joined, it got way to hectic to keep track of.
Ret was in it though, check the lowest part of the full bracket.
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
At least Ret was playing in today's and yesterdays and today's I think.
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
Ret was eliminated early today.
Are you sure? He's not listed in notable participants. Also only Taeja is listed for the first Korean one
Yes, I watched him lose
Do you mean Sheth? I just scanned the bracket and saw only Sheth/Nony, I'll check again but I didn't see him the first time
EDIT: Apparently they did and just weren't listed in the notable participants section on liquipedia
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
Ret was eliminated early today.
Are you sure? He's not listed in notable participants. Also only Taeja is listed for the first Korean one
Yes, I watched him lose
Do you mean Sheth? I just scanned the bracket and saw only Sheth/Nony, I'll check again but I didn't see him the first time
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
I just figured players like lzgamer, machine and incontroll would try to get every chance to get some points. Not like it will get easier with time.
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
Ret was eliminated early today.
Are you sure? He's not listed in notable participants. Also only Taeja is listed for the first Korean one
Yes, I watched him lose
Do you mean Sheth? I just scanned the bracket and saw only Sheth/Nony, I'll check again but I didn't see him the first time
Sheth lost to JonnyRecco
Yeah looked like Ret got the 2nd place seed actually (bottom of the bracket).
On June 14 2012 04:57 Azarkon wrote: EG's absence is starting to worry. Are they boycotting TL events? I know they had a spat with TL over tournament organization a while back.
Really? Kinda childish but then again I have learned not to expect any less from EG.
On June 14 2012 04:57 Azarkon wrote: EG's absence is starting to worry. Are they boycotting TL events? I know they had a spat with TL over tournament organization a while back.
Nah, I don't think so. Probably just recuperating from the Monster all-kill. :p
On June 14 2012 04:46 SilverStar wrote: Any reason why EG is boycotting the qualifiers?
Its the first week of qualifiers they don't HAVE to play this week I guess. Strangely enough I'm pretty sure most of Liquid hasn't tried either, Nony/Sheth have but I don't think TLO/haypro/Ret/Jinro have. Assuming Hero/Zenio/Taeja try tomorrow
Ret was eliminated early today.
Are you sure? He's not listed in notable participants. Also only Taeja is listed for the first Korean one
Yes, I watched him lose
Do you mean Sheth? I just scanned the bracket and saw only Sheth/Nony, I'll check again but I didn't see him the first time
On June 14 2012 04:57 Azarkon wrote: EG's absence is starting to worry. Are they boycotting TL events? I know they had a spat with TL over tournament organization a while back.
On June 14 2012 04:57 Azarkon wrote: EG's absence is starting to worry. Are they boycotting TL events? I know they had a spat with TL over tournament organization a while back.
Nah, I don't think so. Probably just recuperating from the Monster all-kill. :p
On June 14 2012 04:57 Azarkon wrote: EG's absence is starting to worry. Are they boycotting TL events? I know they had a spat with TL over tournament organization a while back.
On June 14 2012 05:18 forelmashi wrote: the tournament time is better for europeans than americans as well just cause it's NA server doesn't mean much...
That's true, starting a tourney at 8 AM (for the west coast) is pretty rough.
yeah I am really not a fan of the 8 am start time for west coast... that's such a brutal time to wake up and start playing considering most people (gamers) in our community are night owls who stay up very late to begin with
You'd think they would make the NA server games a better time for NA players, rather than keeping the same time for Europeans. At least jump it forwards a few hours.
On June 14 2012 05:26 Shew wrote: yeah I am really not a fan of the 8 am start time for west coast... that's such a brutal time to wake up and start playing considering most people (gamers) in our community are night owls who stay up very late to begin with
8:00 AM is a brutal time?
I envy your naivety
Edit: actually we can go ahead and delete this comment. In retrospect it's not very funny. Just been a long day at work, sorry Shew.
On June 14 2012 05:26 Shew wrote: yeah I am really not a fan of the 8 am start time for west coast... that's such a brutal time to wake up and start playing considering most people (gamers) in our community are night owls who stay up very late to begin with
8:00 AM is a brutal time?
I envy your naivety
Edit: actually we can go ahead and delte this comment. In retrospect it's not very funny. Just been a long day at work, sorry Shew.
While it is the time the rest of the world operates, why should NA players have to wake up that early for games on their server when the Europeans don't?
On June 14 2012 05:26 Shew wrote: yeah I am really not a fan of the 8 am start time for west coast... that's such a brutal time to wake up and start playing considering most people (gamers) in our community are night owls who stay up very late to begin with
8:00 AM is a brutal time?
I envy your naivety
Edit: actually we can go ahead and delte this comment. In retrospect it's not very funny. Just been a long day at work, sorry Shew.
While it is the time the rest of the world operates, why should NA players have to wake up that early for games on their server when the Europeans don't?
Yeah, it's really weird how it's on such a bad time for NA players when it's the actual NA qualifier.
On June 14 2012 05:26 Shew wrote: yeah I am really not a fan of the 8 am start time for west coast... that's such a brutal time to wake up and start playing considering most people (gamers) in our community are night owls who stay up very late to begin with
8:00 AM is a brutal time?
I envy your naivety
Edit: actually we can go ahead and delte this comment. In retrospect it's not very funny. Just been a long day at work, sorry Shew.
While it is the time the rest of the world operates, why should NA players have to wake up that early for games on their server when the Europeans don't?
So that there's better competition with more European players playing in the qualifiers. It's commonly known that Euro > NA players. P.S. My last post as a dark templar
On June 14 2012 05:26 Shew wrote: yeah I am really not a fan of the 8 am start time for west coast... that's such a brutal time to wake up and start playing considering most people (gamers) in our community are night owls who stay up very late to begin with
8:00 AM is a brutal time?
I envy your naivety
Edit: actually we can go ahead and delte this comment. In retrospect it's not very funny. Just been a long day at work, sorry Shew.
While it is the time the rest of the world operates, why should NA players have to wake up that early for games on their server when the Europeans don't?
You can go to bed at like 11:00 and still get at least 8 hours of sleep, which seems pretty reasonable to me. Sure, it might be hard to force your body to do that if you are used to going to bed around 2:00 or 3:00, but I generally notice that if I go with little sleep the night before I want to go to bed early, I can sleep whenever the hell I want.
On June 14 2012 05:26 Shew wrote: yeah I am really not a fan of the 8 am start time for west coast... that's such a brutal time to wake up and start playing considering most people (gamers) in our community are night owls who stay up very late to begin with
8:00 AM is a brutal time?
I envy your naivety
Edit: actually we can go ahead and delte this comment. In retrospect it's not very funny. Just been a long day at work, sorry Shew.
While it is the time the rest of the world operates, why should NA players have to wake up that early for games on their server when the Europeans don't?
So that there's better competition with more European players playing in the qualifiers. It's commonly known that Euro > NA players. P.S. My last post as a dark templar
Ah ok that makes sense. I guess the EU qualifiers should be held at the times most convenient for Korean players then.
On June 14 2012 05:26 Shew wrote: yeah I am really not a fan of the 8 am start time for west coast... that's such a brutal time to wake up and start playing considering most people (gamers) in our community are night owls who stay up very late to begin with
8:00 AM is a brutal time?
I envy your naivety
Edit: actually we can go ahead and delte this comment. In retrospect it's not very funny. Just been a long day at work, sorry Shew.
While it is the time the rest of the world operates, why should NA players have to wake up that early for games on their server when the Europeans don't?
You can go to bed at like 11:00 and still get at least 8 hours of sleep, which seems pretty reasonable to me. Sure, it might be hard to force your body to do that if you are used to going to bed around 2:00 or 3:00, but I generally notice that if I go with little sleep the night before I want to go to bed early, I can sleep whenever the hell I want.
I know that. Personally, I'd be fine getting up early to play a tournament. I do for work and school all the time. I'm just saying the NA server tournament should be made to accommodate NA players more than EU players, as they are now.
So out of curiosity does the fact that Violet moved back to Korea for code S mean that he now has to qualify for TSL through the Korea qualifiers? It sort of sucks for him that after living in America so long he leaves JUST when the qualifiers are
On June 14 2012 05:53 Holgerius wrote: Pardon my french, but who the fuck is JonnyRecco? I've never heard that name before. O_o
He's Britain's hipsters choice players because bling sold out and went mainstream, does pretty well and is no.3 in the UK at the moment iirc he played a showmatch vs white-ra where he was down 3 and came back to even the series but lost it in the end.
On June 14 2012 05:26 Shew wrote: yeah I am really not a fan of the 8 am start time for west coast...that's such a brutal time to wake up and start playing considering most people (gamers) in our community are night owls who stay up very late to begin with
That's a such a spoiled thing to say. I'm a night owl to the very core of my soul, but I still have to get up everyday at 7 am and start working. Even though I keep staying up very late. It may be inconvenient and I understand you're not a fan, but it's not a valid reason as to why a progamer wouldn't participate. That's just lazy.
Why aren't there any EG members trying to qualify yet? Correct me if I'm wrong but there have no 0 EG (and not even a lot of TL) for the first two events..?
On June 14 2012 06:07 crms wrote: Why aren't there any EG members trying to qualify yet? Correct me if I'm wrong but there have no 0 EG (and not even a lot of TL) for the first two events..?
There have been a few Liquid guys in. The rest are in Korea so they have to compete in the Korean qualifiers because they reside there. No shortage of Liquid players though.
There's a lot of tournaments coming up so a lot of guys are practicing. EG guys are doing whatever they need to do to prep for the upcoming tournaments. Don't have to play every qualifier but it certainly helps.
On June 14 2012 06:07 crms wrote: Why aren't there any EG members trying to qualify yet? Correct me if I'm wrong but there have no 0 EG (and not even a lot of TL) for the first two events..?
On June 14 2012 05:53 Holgerius wrote: Pardon my french, but who the fuck is JonnyRecco? I've never heard that name before. O_o
TSL FTW, randomers coming out of nowhere and wrecking shit.
He's either a fan of Starship Troopers, or he's a fanboy of the old BW player Rico lmao.
Recco is also a place in Italy and a lingerie brand. ^^
You learn something new everyday! ;D
It's also a system used by rescue organizations worldwide to assist in the efficient location of people buried under avalanches. And I have the "Recco-tag" somewhere on most my jackets.
On June 14 2012 05:53 Holgerius wrote: Pardon my french, but who the fuck is JonnyRecco? I've never heard that name before. O_o
TSL FTW, randomers coming out of nowhere and wrecking shit.
He's either a fan of Starship Troopers, or he's a fanboy of the old BW player Rico lmao.
Recco is also a place in Italy and a lingerie brand. ^^
You learn something new everyday! ;D
It's also a system used by rescue organizations worldwide to assist in the efficient location of people buried under avalanches. And I have the "Recco-tag" somewhere on most my jackets.
Oh I already knew that one. You left out snowpants. ;o
God that thread always creeped my out for some reason. Maybe I have a hidden phobia of flying monkeys... Which is an okay phobia to have as long as I don't live in Oz.
The greatest thing about the TSL is that seemingly random players (Daisy, JonnyRecco) can make a run through the qualifiers and get to play with the big boys and show off their strength! Who knows, JonnyRecco could be the next ThorZain!
(Btw, not saying any of the players mentioned above are bad or don't deserve to be there, and I'm also not saying ThorZain was bad. ThorZain making it to TSL3 finals was very shocking at the time [He was a relative unknown quantity then, being on team Prae] and that people shouldn't be upset about lesser known players like this performing well as they could just be incredible players who never had the chance before.)
That being said I really hope Nerchio makes it into TSL4 in some manner.
Don't like that move from Beasty. Probably won't be unscouted for that long, most protoss put a pylon over there for scouting drops, but maybe he'll get lucky though.
On June 14 2012 06:29 Jono7272 wrote: Don't like that move from Beasty. Probably won't be unscouted for that long, most protoss put a pylon over there for scouting drops, but maybe he'll get lucky though.
It's so obvious that it just might work, you never see hidden bases on Ohana.
On June 14 2012 06:28 chipmonklord17 wrote: cheese completely fails, still ahead
oh protoss
he proxied it right next to the terrans depot,
you think he intended to actually get a zealot out? if t pulls scvs to destroy it which beasty did, p is economically even. then nexus first is good since gas is delayed. its probably planned out that way.
if t doesnt kill the gateway i actually think its better for the terran, he gets a bunker up, loses a couple scvs and comes out ahead.
On June 14 2012 06:29 Jono7272 wrote: Don't like that move from Beasty. Probably won't be unscouted for that long, most protoss put a pylon over there for scouting drops, but maybe he'll get lucky though.
But provided he gets away with it for a while, it is a huge advantage. He doesn't just mine minerals from that base. He takes those minerals away from Bischu's 4th base.
On June 14 2012 06:29 Jono7272 wrote: Don't like that move from Beasty. Probably won't be unscouted for that long, most protoss put a pylon over there for scouting drops, but maybe he'll get lucky though.
It's so obvious that it just might work, you never see hidden bases on Ohana.
Hah yeah. It's probably already paid off to be fair!
On June 14 2012 06:29 Jono7272 wrote: Don't like that move from Beasty. Probably won't be unscouted for that long, most protoss put a pylon over there for scouting drops, but maybe he'll get lucky though.
But provided he gets away with it for a while, it is a huge advantage. He doesn't just mine minerals from that base. He takes those minerals away from Bischu's 4th base.
Quick 3rd is cool, not sure it was the best location, but it's paid off this time!
On June 14 2012 06:29 Jono7272 wrote: Don't like that move from Beasty. Probably won't be unscouted for that long, most protoss put a pylon over there for scouting drops, but maybe he'll get lucky though.
It's so obvious that it just might work, you never see hidden bases on Ohana.
Hah yeah. It's probably already paid off to be fair!
On June 14 2012 06:27 Witten wrote: The greatest thing about the TSL is that seemingly random players (Daisy, JonnyRecco) can make a run through the qualifiers and get to play with the big boys and show off their strength! Who knows, JonnyRecco could be the next ThorZain!
(Btw, not saying any of the players mentioned above are bad or don't deserve to be there, and I'm also not saying ThorZain was bad. ThorZain making it to TSL3 finals was very shocking at the time [He was a relative unknown quantity then, being on team Prae] and that people shouldn't be upset about lesser known players like this performing well as they could just be incredible players who never had the chance before.)
That being said I really hope Nerchio makes it into TSL4 in some manner.
I agree completely. And as a hipster Thorzain-fan I clearly remember him being used as an example when people wanted to delegitimize the quality of TSL3 before it unfolded.
On June 14 2012 06:35 Jono7272 wrote: You would have thought Beasty would have been more ahead in supply..
He had the way better unit composition with a lot of ghosts and decent medivac count. Also Bischu couldn't afford Colossus and did even cut the observers. Beasty was far ahead and used it to win the game now.
Well Beasty goes from one extreme to the other.. Spotting that 3 gate pressure incoming was perfect but his reaction to it was to do nothing and die...
Every time I see a bunker hold off an entire invading force I think of the Funday Monday were an entire Protoss army dies to a single planetary being repaired and day[9] goes on a rant about "THE GAME IS DESIGNED SO THIS SPECIFIC THING CAN HAPPEN!"
Unfortunately it seems repair just wasn't strong enough. Weird game.
On June 14 2012 06:58 stardog wrote: MrBitter says Nerchio has one of the best zvp in the world, Stephano level? I thought he was better informed about EU scene.
Nerchio's problem isn't so much skill, its that he just never fucking gets it together for LANs, only very occasionally does he recreate his online skill offline.
On June 14 2012 06:58 stardog wrote: MrBitter says Nerchio has one of the best zvp in the world, Stephano level? I thought he was better informed about EU scene.
Nerchio did just 2-0 SaSe, who 2-1'd Stephano in MLG.
On June 14 2012 06:58 stardog wrote: MrBitter says Nerchio has one of the best zvp in the world, Stephano level? I thought he was better informed about EU scene.
Nerchio did just 2-0 SaSe, who 2-1'd Stephano in MLG.
SaSe plays a really abusive PvZ style right now which Nerchio knows and blind countered . 7rr vs 2pylon 18nex no scout = autowin ,, and other game heavy ling vs immortal stalker heavy
Nerchio ZvP is by far his weakest matchup he says himself
On June 14 2012 06:58 stardog wrote: MrBitter says Nerchio has one of the best zvp in the world, Stephano level? I thought he was better informed about EU scene.
Nerchio did just 2-0 SaSe, who 2-1'd Stephano in MLG.
And that's usually not the norm for Nerchio. He dies a lot to odd little timings, it's one of the reasons Titan almost always owns him.
On June 14 2012 06:58 stardog wrote: MrBitter says Nerchio has one of the best zvp in the world, Stephano level? I thought he was better informed about EU scene.
Nerchio did just 2-0 SaSe, who 2-1'd Stephano in MLG.
SaSe plays a really abusive PvZ style right now which Nerchio knows and blind countered . 7rr g1 vs 2pylon 18nex no scout = autowin ,, heavy ling vs immortal stalker heavy
Nerchio ZvP is by far his weakest matchup he says himself
Even though it's his weakest MU, it's probably 2nd best in EU.
On June 14 2012 07:09 NrGmonk wrote: "Bischu has so much gas but not enough minerals, so he can't warp in stalkers and is forced to warp in zealots now" ^^
I believe that classifies as a Day[9] "caster mishap".
On June 14 2012 06:58 stardog wrote: MrBitter says Nerchio has one of the best zvp in the world, Stephano level? I thought he was better informed about EU scene.
Nerchio did just 2-0 SaSe, who 2-1'd Stephano in MLG.
SaSe plays a really abusive PvZ style right now which Nerchio knows and blind countered . 7rr vs 2pylon 18nex no scout = autowin ,, and other game heavy ling vs immortal stalker heavy
Nerchio ZvP is by far his weakest matchup he says himself
but sase did scout, and I swear he even saw nerchio's gas, but he didn't respond at all.
On June 14 2012 06:58 stardog wrote: MrBitter says Nerchio has one of the best zvp in the world, Stephano level? I thought he was better informed about EU scene.
Nerchio did just 2-0 SaSe, who 2-1'd Stephano in MLG.
SaSe plays a really abusive PvZ style right now which Nerchio knows and blind countered . 7rr g1 vs 2pylon 18nex no scout = autowin ,, heavy ling vs immortal stalker heavy
Nerchio ZvP is by far his weakest matchup he says himself
Even though it's his weakest MU, it's probably 2nd best in EU.
Stephano and Ret at least would both be stronger I think, and probably Morrow as well.
bischu with a strong attack in the early game, but he slipped up at nerchio's watchtower and lost a lot of stuff. however, nerchio didn't capitalize and let his huge advantage go to waste, expanding far too late and not engaging the protoss.
On June 14 2012 06:58 stardog wrote: MrBitter says Nerchio has one of the best zvp in the world, Stephano level? I thought he was better informed about EU scene.
Nerchio did just 2-0 SaSe, who 2-1'd Stephano in MLG.
SaSe plays a really abusive PvZ style right now which Nerchio knows and blind countered . 7rr g1 vs 2pylon 18nex no scout = autowin ,, heavy ling vs immortal stalker heavy
Nerchio ZvP is by far his weakest matchup he says himself
Even though it's his weakest MU, it's probably 2nd best in EU.
Stephano and Ret at least would both be stronger I think, and probably Morrow as well.
Please don't say you just compared Morrow to Nerchio... are.you.kidding?
On June 14 2012 06:58 stardog wrote: MrBitter says Nerchio has one of the best zvp in the world, Stephano level? I thought he was better informed about EU scene.
Nerchio did just 2-0 SaSe, who 2-1'd Stephano in MLG.
SaSe plays a really abusive PvZ style right now which Nerchio knows and blind countered . 7rr g1 vs 2pylon 18nex no scout = autowin ,, heavy ling vs immortal stalker heavy
Nerchio ZvP is by far his weakest matchup he says himself
Even though it's his weakest MU, it's probably 2nd best in EU.
Stephano and Ret at least would both be stronger I think, and probably Morrow as well.
Please don't say you just compared Morrow to Nerchio... are.you.kidding?
On June 14 2012 07:15 Sated wrote: Siiiiiiiick opening from Bischu!
How did Bischu open?
Gate/Core on low-ground, really fast Nexus -> 5 Gateway timing when a normal +1 4 Gate Zealot pressure would hit (i.e. before Nerchio had enough Roaches to cost-effectively defend).
to clarify, he first dropped his nexus and then assimilator and finally the core
Bischu qualifying with a win would really surprise me. I've never really been impressed by his play and frankly haven't heard of him winning anything. He's always just been another European pro in my view.
Can medivacs or overlords do the same thing the warp prisim did by picking up the units on the lowground and still dropping them on the high ground if placed in the same position?
That was the most impressive game I've seen by Nerchio. Managing to live through 20 minutes as a 2 base Zerg and starving out the Protoss. It's something you never see.
On June 14 2012 07:56 Dexington wrote: That was the most impressive game I've seen by Nerchio. Managing to live through 20 minutes as a 2 base Zerg and starving out the Protoss. It's something you never see.
it was more his opponent fucking up than him playing brilliant
Later he also said that Paranoid had to leave and couldn't continue to play anyway. It's pretty strange, but I guess it was Paranoid's decision so not match fixing, just a walkover.
On June 14 2012 07:03 dignitas.merz wrote: Did Nericho just admit to match fixing while on stream? Smooth.
What ?
Yeah please give more info im confused.
He thanked ParanOid for letting him win and move on in the tournament despite Nericho losing the game.
? Really? at what point was that on stream? If so thats kind of crazy.
The very first game, if you look back in the thread someone else called it out before me as well.
I thought he said he got a free win because ParanOid had to leave, but I didn't catch the whole chat as I was frantically surfing through tabs at that moment.
I thought he said he got a free win because ParanOid had to leave, but I didn't catch the whole chat as I was frantically surfing through tabs at that moment.
From what he said in chat, Paranoid had the advantage in game but then had to leave, so he decided to forfeit and let Nerchio have the win anyway.
On June 14 2012 07:03 dignitas.merz wrote: Did Nericho just admit to match fixing while on stream? Smooth.
What ?
Yeah please give more info im confused.
He thanked ParanOid for letting him win and move on in the tournament despite Nericho losing the game.
? Really? at what point was that on stream? If so thats kind of crazy.
The very first game, if you look back in the thread someone else called it out before me as well.
I thought he said he got a free win because ParanOid had to leave, but I didn't catch the whole chat as I was frantically surfing through tabs at that moment.
he said paranoid let him win despite him losing, not just wo
On June 14 2012 08:03 emraaa wrote: paranoid won, but let nerchio advance cuz he had to leave. no match fixing involved ...
If Paranoid already won the game, Nerchio should have been eliminated and the player he played on the next round should have get a walkover from Paranoid's forfeit. No ?
Edit : However, if Paranoid leaved the game first, Nerchio deserved to advance
On June 14 2012 08:03 emraaa wrote: paranoid won, but let nerchio advance cuz he had to leave. no match fixing involved ...
If Paranoid already won the game, Nerchio should have been eliminated and the player he played on the next round should have get a walkover from Paranoid's forfeit. No ?
Yes. But it's too early to judge though, would have to look at the vod/replay of game 1 vs Bischu and also look at the game vs ParanOid before you make any calls. I pointed it out because for a second I was like "did he really just say that on stream?"
On June 14 2012 08:03 emraaa wrote: paranoid won, but let nerchio advance cuz he had to leave. no match fixing involved ...
that IS match fixing...
it is match fixing if nerchio and paranoid planned it before. i have the impression that paranoid was winning the game and knew he had to go so he just left. that would make sense why nerchio thanked him.
On June 14 2012 08:03 emraaa wrote: paranoid won, but let nerchio advance cuz he had to leave. no match fixing involved ...
If Paranoid already won the game, Nerchio should have been eliminated and the player he played on the next round should have get a walkover from Paranoid's forfeit. No ?
Edit : However, if Paranoid leaved the game first, Nerchio deserved to advance
He didn't say that Paranoid won, but that he was winning. Probably Paranoid decided leaving was the best solution and surrendered. I don't think it is match fixing and even if, it was fixed by Paranoid. I guess admins will check replays from that game to verify this.
Well, it was not the best final ever in term of level, but nice comeback from Nerchio.
Congratz to him, I'm glad that one the best European players is already qualified. Today's result seems more interesting to me than the qualification of the pretty unknown Daisy yesterday...
On June 14 2012 08:03 emraaa wrote: paranoid won, but let nerchio advance cuz he had to leave. no match fixing involved ...
that IS match fixing...
it is match fixing if nerchio and paranoid planned it before. i have the impression that paranoid was winning the game and knew he had to go so he just left. that would make sense why nerchio thanked him.
no, planning it before has nothing to do with it. during the coca incident they even just decided that during the game, sth along the lines "can you let me win anyway?" - "ok" as far as i remember.
and to be fair, nerchio said something similar to "he could just say he has to leave, it would be the same outcome". he didn't say paranoid had to leave at all. this is actually quite similar to the coca incident, whether they are friends (coca) or on the same team (acer nerchio/paranoid) should not matter.
/€dit: to clear this up, I'm not trying to get nerchio into trouble or anything, just wanted to state my opinion on the two cases being quite similar.
On June 14 2012 08:03 emraaa wrote: paranoid won, but let nerchio advance cuz he had to leave. no match fixing involved ...
that IS match fixing...
it is match fixing if nerchio and paranoid planned it before. i have the impression that paranoid was winning the game and knew he had to go so he just left. that would make sense why nerchio thanked him.
no, planning it before has nothing to do with it. during the coca incident they even just decided that during the game, sth along the lines "can you let me win anyway?" - "ok" as far as i remember.
and to be fair, nerchio said something similar to "he could just say he has to leave, it would be the same outcome". he didn't say paranoid had to leave at all. this is actually quite similar to the coca incident, whether they are friends (coca) or on the same team (acer nerchio/paranoid) should not matter.
You have a valid point but we should let the admins decide as our information is limited
yeah and everyone ignores nerchio excelent runs through the matches to talk about something nobody can know. Leave it to TL to decide about that. GL Nerchio . very good games.
which NA players are good enough to qualify? it seems there is a high probability of an all eu/kr tournament, since seemingly EG dont play this so huk won't try to qualify, and he's the one NA player I can think of who is for sure good enough
On June 14 2012 09:18 vilg wrote: which NA players are good enough to qualify? it seems there is a high probability of an all eu/kr tournament, since seemingly EG dont play this so huk won't try to qualify, and he's the one NA player I can think of who is for sure good enough
On June 14 2012 09:18 vilg wrote: which NA players are good enough to qualify? it seems there is a high probability of an all eu/kr tournament, since seemingly EG dont play this so huk won't try to qualify, and he's the one NA player I can think of who is for sure good enough
On June 14 2012 09:18 vilg wrote: which NA players are good enough to qualify? it seems there is a high probability of an all eu/kr tournament, since seemingly EG dont play this so huk won't try to qualify, and he's the one NA player I can think of who is for sure good enough
why aren't EG players in this?
They just might have felt it was too busy a week with MLG + DH (+GSL for TZain) to bother doing TSL this week. Perhaps they'll appear in the following qualifiers?
they only have a few players who are going to DH and there is zero of them playing the qualifiers so far. Anyway, I think only huk could qualify so I really hope he plays a few when he gets home from dh
If HuK qualified I would be perfectly fine with the rest of the tournament being EU vs KR. I mean... unfortunately most of our players just arn't quite up to snuff anymore.
As said above, Illusion and Sheth could probably do alright as well... But there's so much talent that I love to watch in Europe and Korea anyway.
I think Sheth will have a strong chance to qualify at least via points. There are quite a few americans in the top 30 of points so far, and consistency is rewarded with this system. A player like Yata could just as well make it if all he does is appear in every qualifier ever. I mean if you placed Ro32 every qualifier you'd have more points than someone who 2nd'd once and disappeared.
What do you guys think the points threshold will be looking at with 10 qualifiers? I think it will be something in the range of 180-220 points.
On June 14 2012 09:18 vilg wrote: which NA players are good enough to qualify? it seems there is a high probability of an all eu/kr tournament, since seemingly EG dont play this so huk won't try to qualify, and he's the one NA player I can think of who is for sure good enough
Any chances to get the replays from the Qualifer #2?
Please someone answer me !!
I know its possible to get this kind of data because everyone that plays this tournament needs to report not only the win but also the replay, so with a little effort the admins can actually get the replays and post to everyone. I really want to know if you guys are going to do that or not, because Im a huge fan of Nerchio and would love to see some of his replays in this tournament
On June 14 2012 09:18 vilg wrote: which NA players are good enough to qualify? it seems there is a high probability of an all eu/kr tournament, since seemingly EG dont play this so huk won't try to qualify, and he's the one NA player I can think of who is for sure good enough
i think alot of NA players could go on a run and win a qualifier. Favorable bracket and being hot one day will lead to some people we don't expect, winning a few or getting enough points to get in. Its impossible to predict, who woulda predicted Daisy winning or Grubby not making it to the round of 32 twice in a row? This format is very entertaining to follow.
Bischu must have played incredible well, never except he would come so far in this qualifier if you look at the others players that participated as well!
I dont think that we did anything wrong, I have played multiple tournaments in the past and few of my opponents did the same thing. I couldnt have known that somebody was in need of my help, and when I got to know I didnt hesitate. I didnt let Artur know beforehand that I have no intention to continue playing the tournament.
Im the one to blame in that case, if I knew I cant finish the tournament I wouldnt have signed up in the first place.
EPT
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i surely hope so 
No clue how to change my info in the qualifier to opponents can contact me. Not sure what to do :S
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