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On May 28 2012 07:00 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 06:59 Jetaap wrote: What was MC's opening, nexus first or classic forge expand? I remember Stephano saying that nexus first + 7gate was the blind counter to what his roach max strat because it hits before a normal 7 gate and he doesn't have enough roaches to defend. nexus first, and yeah, this is the counter to max roach. I lost to it yesterday too. Think protoss have finally learned the counter. Like finally.
blind nexus first 7 gate only counter to max roach for protoss? seems legit..
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On May 28 2012 07:01 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 07:00 ImNightmare wrote:On May 28 2012 06:59 Jetaap wrote: What was MC's opening, nexus first or classic forge expand? I remember Stephano saying that nexus first + 7gate was the blind counter to what his roach max strat because it hits before a normal 7 gate and he doesn't have enough roaches to defend. nexus first, and yeah, this is the counter to max roach. I lost to it yesterday too. Think protoss have finally learned the counter. Like finally. I don't consider it an actual counter though, similar Stargate play was a good counter to the old 1/1/1 but was pretty bad against a lot of other builds Plus it's an all-in. We'll figure something more versatile out  yeah.. its pretty blind, but its actually quite difficult to hold especially if a zerg only knows max roach 3 base. Still, I would say it works until diamond.
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C'mon Stephano you can do it.
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On May 28 2012 07:00 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 06:59 tuestresfat wrote:On May 28 2012 06:58 Sc2Null wrote:On May 28 2012 06:57 bsball8806 wrote: I feel like stephano is econ cheesing in his ZvPs, especially when he loses to an all in that soundly (not sacrificing overlords, making more drones when he sees the pylons going down). That wasn't a very close game and 7gates are something that zergs can stop relatively easily. wtf is econ cheesing..are people just making up terms these days? people have been tossing that idea around forever, where've you been? what is it suppose to mean exactly lol? an example would be if zerg powers drones really hard in a time where he has no way of confirming toss/terran won't just push and kill him. He has not attained enough scouting information to confirm a push is not coming and is essentially crossing his fingers as he has no way of stopping said push if it does come. It's a really risky decision/build (as cheese usually is) that if you get away with it will pay off big time.
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Rofl, MC must have been confused when he saw the Spore Crawler.
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On May 28 2012 07:01 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 06:58 Sc2Null wrote:On May 28 2012 06:57 bsball8806 wrote: I feel like stephano is econ cheesing in his ZvPs, especially when he loses to an all in that soundly (not sacrificing overlords, making more drones when he sees the pylons going down). That wasn't a very close game and 7gates are something that zergs can stop relatively easily. wtf is econ cheesing..are people just making up terms these days? blind 17 nexus pvz, cc first into fast 3rd cc, Ret droning to 70 drones with 2 lings and 1 spine how are those things different from cheesing with 4 gate, 11/11 rax, 6 pool? you are taking an absurd risk that is a complete coin flip hoping it pays off.
Oh.. so its just REALLY greedy play (very high risk, hence the "cheese"), with perhaps a bit of metagame involved Interesting
Meanwhile, MC in a pickle
Edit: or maybe not
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rape him please Mc 
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Lol those zealots fighting alone like champs :p
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that 2 base protoss
GETS SHUT DOWN
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So econ cheesing is basically what FD did in GSL1 (and rightly so considering how imba Terran was back then).
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looks like he hit too late this time
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Come on day9, Stephano stopped to drone at 48 drones instead of 60 that's why he can defend >_<. Also the pylon was not nearly as well placed for MC.
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How the hell did Stephano hold this?
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On May 28 2012 07:04 babylon wrote: So econ cheesing is basically what FD did in GSL1 (and rightly so considering how imba Terran was back then). It's what he did vs TOP on Kulas, yes.
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