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Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
May 27 2012 22:00 GMT
#2261
On May 28 2012 06:59 tuestresfat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 06:58 Sc2Null wrote:
On May 28 2012 06:57 bsball8806 wrote:
I feel like stephano is econ cheesing in his ZvPs, especially when he loses to an all in that soundly (not sacrificing overlords, making more drones when he sees the pylons going down). That wasn't a very close game and 7gates are something that zergs can stop relatively easily.


wtf is econ cheesing..are people just making up terms these days?

people have been tossing that idea around forever, where've you been?


what is it suppose to mean exactly lol?
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
May 27 2012 22:00 GMT
#2262
On May 28 2012 06:58 Sc2Null wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 06:57 bsball8806 wrote:
I feel like stephano is econ cheesing in his ZvPs, especially when he loses to an all in that soundly (not sacrificing overlords, making more drones when he sees the pylons going down). That wasn't a very close game and 7gates are something that zergs can stop relatively easily.


wtf is econ cheesing..are people just making up terms these days?

Econ cheesing as a term has been around forever ... I was always under the impression it meant playing super-greedy and/or planting hidden bases.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
May 27 2012 22:00 GMT
#2263
On May 28 2012 06:59 Jetaap wrote:
What was MC's opening, nexus first or classic forge expand? I remember Stephano saying that nexus first + 7gate was the blind counter to what his roach max strat because it hits before a normal 7 gate and he doesn't have enough roaches to defend.

nexus first, and yeah, this is the counter to max roach. I lost to it yesterday too. Think protoss have finally learned the counter. Like finally.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
May 27 2012 22:01 GMT
#2264
On May 28 2012 06:58 Sc2Null wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 06:57 bsball8806 wrote:
I feel like stephano is econ cheesing in his ZvPs, especially when he loses to an all in that soundly (not sacrificing overlords, making more drones when he sees the pylons going down). That wasn't a very close game and 7gates are something that zergs can stop relatively easily.


wtf is econ cheesing..are people just making up terms these days?


blind 17 nexus pvz, cc first into fast 3rd cc, Ret droning to 70 drones with 2 lings and 1 spine

how are those things different from cheesing with 4 gate, 11/11 rax, 6 pool?

you are taking an absurd risk that is a complete coin flip hoping it pays off.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
ZeroSC2
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (South)668 Posts
May 27 2012 22:01 GMT
#2265
On May 28 2012 06:58 Klipsys wrote:
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On May 28 2012 06:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
DRG has the best ZvP in the world.



He may have the best ZVX in the world tbh...


true, he is only slightly weaker in ZvZ, but there are hardly any top notch ZvZ around anyway, except for NesTea.
Flash
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
May 27 2012 22:01 GMT
#2266
The same stuff again
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
May 27 2012 22:01 GMT
#2267
On May 28 2012 07:00 Sc2Null wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 06:59 tuestresfat wrote:
On May 28 2012 06:58 Sc2Null wrote:
On May 28 2012 06:57 bsball8806 wrote:
I feel like stephano is econ cheesing in his ZvPs, especially when he loses to an all in that soundly (not sacrificing overlords, making more drones when he sees the pylons going down). That wasn't a very close game and 7gates are something that zergs can stop relatively easily.


wtf is econ cheesing..are people just making up terms these days?

people have been tossing that idea around forever, where've you been?


what is it suppose to mean exactly lol?


ffe into 3 nexus
Shaddar
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
675 Posts
May 27 2012 22:01 GMT
#2268
Gogo MC crush Stephano! DOn't like that guy's attitude.
Why is Check 6 afraid of Infinity Seven? Because Infinity Seven Team 8 Day [9]
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
May 27 2012 22:01 GMT
#2269
hatch pool hatch queens 90 drones = risky econ cheese
Never!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45309 Posts
May 27 2012 22:01 GMT
#2270
On May 28 2012 06:55 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
husky not aware of the format ._.


He probably is.

He said by MC winning, it'll definitely force an extra game, implying we'll see four games no matter what instead of the minimal 3.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26287 Posts
May 27 2012 22:01 GMT
#2271
On May 28 2012 07:00 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 06:59 Jetaap wrote:
What was MC's opening, nexus first or classic forge expand? I remember Stephano saying that nexus first + 7gate was the blind counter to what his roach max strat because it hits before a normal 7 gate and he doesn't have enough roaches to defend.

nexus first, and yeah, this is the counter to max roach. I lost to it yesterday too. Think protoss have finally learned the counter. Like finally.

I don't consider it an actual counter though, similar Stargate play was a good counter to the old 1/1/1 but was pretty bad against a lot of other builds

Plus it's an all-in. We'll figure something more versatile out
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
May 27 2012 22:02 GMT
#2272
Lets see how Stephano fares now.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
May 27 2012 22:02 GMT
#2273
On May 28 2012 07:01 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 06:58 Klipsys wrote:
On May 28 2012 06:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
DRG has the best ZvP in the world.



He may have the best ZVX in the world tbh...


true, he is only slightly weaker in ZvZ, but there are hardly any top notch ZvZ around anyway, except for NesTea.

I hope the dong gets good too we need more consistent zergs. Leenock, losira are both disappointments..
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
May 27 2012 22:02 GMT
#2274
same build for mc ;o!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 27 2012 22:02 GMT
#2275
another 7 gate, MC is not fucking around
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
May 27 2012 22:02 GMT
#2276
On May 28 2012 07:00 Sc2Null wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 06:59 tuestresfat wrote:
On May 28 2012 06:58 Sc2Null wrote:
On May 28 2012 06:57 bsball8806 wrote:
I feel like stephano is econ cheesing in his ZvPs, especially when he loses to an all in that soundly (not sacrificing overlords, making more drones when he sees the pylons going down). That wasn't a very close game and 7gates are something that zergs can stop relatively easily.


wtf is econ cheesing..are people just making up terms these days?

people have been tossing that idea around forever, where've you been?


what is it suppose to mean exactly lol?


When the player cuts too many corners (no army, no defense etc) in sacrifice for their economy. If unpunished, it is almost impossible to beat them in late game, but easily punishable with agression early game.
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
iyoume
Profile Joined May 2011
2501 Posts
May 27 2012 22:02 GMT
#2277
oboy. 7gate inc
BeSt <3 | HoeJJa | Leta :: team Polt
takingbackoj
Profile Joined December 2010
United States684 Posts
May 27 2012 22:02 GMT
#2278
On May 28 2012 06:58 MuseMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 06:54 -TesteR- wrote:
On May 28 2012 06:52 ImNightmare wrote:
On May 28 2012 06:50 MuseMike wrote:
On May 28 2012 06:48 Logros wrote:
On May 28 2012 06:47 iamthedave wrote:
On May 28 2012 06:44 Logros wrote:
Stephano is so damn good, I don't get how he does it. I don't see Squirtle beating him but I'd like to see him try.


In this case: MC was too aggressive. He kept pushing out when he should have sat back and maxed. 3 base toss v 3 base zerg is a bad situation for the zerg.

MC pushed out with 147 supply against 200.

He was way ahead even before that. But I was pointing more to how Stephano just keeps crushing top Protoss after Protoss like it's nothing.

He thinks that ZvP is imbalanced in favor of Zerg. He even said P might need a buff.

Pretty funny how every protoss keeps bringing this up. You should mention too, how every terran say protoss is imbalanced yet have no problems against zerg


difference is they are just being bias for their OWN RACE.

Logic is not allowed.

So disregard what Nestea and DRG say and agree with stephano? I dont know whats balanced and whats not but that doesnt really make sense.
Get the hell outta here Der Beek, your'e ruining my moment.
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
May 27 2012 22:02 GMT
#2279
This thread is going to go nuts if this works again lol, but I don't think it will
bsball8806
Profile Joined January 2012
41 Posts
May 27 2012 22:02 GMT
#2280
Econ cheesing is when you invest a lot in a later game economy but leave yourself extremely vulnerable to any sort of aggressive build early on.
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